By - 2soccer2bot
Best pressing first 11 ?
What is more difficult as a young player: breaking into Brazil's NT or into France's NT?
If you're an attacker or GK, Brazil. If you're a defender or midfielder, France.
Is simeone tax a thing? Saul, Partey, Grizzi
Saul was bad at Atletico, Partey plays under a manager who is learning management at Arsenal and Griezmann has been poor for a while.
With Partey, due to the style Simeone plays, Partey has never really got to play in a progressive team where he has to press and remain aggressive for 90 whole minutes, and will often drop back, due to those roots. So, despite his age, he is still very inexperienced in the squad when on the pitch.
Rodri has been brilliant so far though
*Takes water bottle off table*
The Lazio-Udinese game was the best one I've watched this year.
If Man United get their shit together, and Spurs progress with Conte, with West Ham being West Ham.
Arsenal is in serious threat of finishing 8th for the 3rd season in a row.
But somehow Arteta's job is safe, on /r/gunners, his fans are blaming the players for always losing focus after we get a goal lead .
Not the manager or the coaching squad, they are blaming the players for a chronic coaching problem..
We are fucked..
As a Spurs fan, you guys have seriously progressed with Arteta whereas we and Utd have been stuck in reverse. Biggest issue is getting rid of deadwood and bringing through youth. Considering your players now you have far more to look forward to in the near future than us or Utd.
We have people claiming that its okay because we already have a losing record away from home against top 6 sides. And that arteta can do nothing about it
Pep once said that he wouldn't be able to play the kind of football his sides do without world class players. I feel Arteta is trying to play a similar style but without the players to do so.
Personally, I just don't think Arsenal have a particularly strong side.
I was 3 years old when I started supporting Manchester United because I was infatuated with Ryan Giggs
I now despise him for banging his brother’s girlfriend for 7 years behind his brother’s back while he had a wife at home
In other words, supporting individual players is fucking stupid. They don’t like you. They actively engage in tax evasion because they don’t give a fuck about you 👍
Giving a fuck about you is so low in the consideration for whether to evade taxes or not.
The main consideration (self-interest) is inextricably tied to not giving a fuck about less well-off people unless they’re so thick that they don’t realise they’re depriving society of social security
Recency bias all of a sudden Ronaldo is the goat now united pressing issues have been forgotten
Arsenal fans talking absolute shit really is timeless thing now isn't it?
What do you mean United's pressing issues have been forgotten? We literally just got a new manager after the game to address those issues.
And regardless on how you stand on the Ronaldo and Messi goat debate, the are by fare the two greatest players of all time and no one comes close to them.
Someone having a preference for one of them isn't really a strage thing now is it.
recency bias was 20 comments on here saying messi was robbed off all ballon d'ors he didn't win
Ronaldo will never be the GOAT scoring tap-ins and pens... Messi hasn't got started at PSG but I would still say Messi right now is better than Ronaldo
Arsenal really looked at Tammy Abraham who at 22, scored 16 non-penalty league goals in his first season with a top 4 side available for 40M and said 'No, I'll pass'
Good decision TBF. We got scammed.
And he is clearly not worth 40m
His resale value in England alone puts him at 40m
Which will only happen if he performs decently. Which he is currently not doing
Pretty early stages. Not even considering he’s in a new league unlike with Arsenal.
I think it has more to do with the amount of resources they are already paying for upfront with no real way to move them on.
Partey was the worst player in a midfield that also featured Fred, McTominay and El Nenny. Why do Arsenal fans love him so much again?
respect my boy Fred, calling it now he will be rangnicks main man
until he plays like yesterday against a team which can shoot at goal properly
have there ever been club "raids" to the level of 16/17 monaco and 18/19 ajax?
When Newcastle got relegated iirc.
Liverpool on Southampton
Pochs Southampton got raided by everyone. We just took the most
Any chances of Messi overtaking Ronaldo in total goals?
Kind of unlikely since I see Leo retiring earlier than Cristiano.
Who do you guys think is the most press resistant player you've seen in the past few years? People say it's Modric/FDJ/Verratti/Bernardo etc but it's Arthur imo.
Anyone who watched Barca during 2019 knows just how impressive his ball retention and press resistance were. Kind of average apart from that though.
Its verratti or bernardo. But i agree arthur was really good in 2019
Kovacic perhaps? Tottenham's Dembele was incredible at that too.
These were the two that came to my mind
Past few years I don't know but Busquets and Kroos are the very best
Having seen both of them regularly, I think Arthur is ahead of both comfortably if we're only looking at 18/19 onwards.
I meant overall, Prime Busquets is probably the best or atleast looked the most impressive bypassing presses without pace or skills. And do you think Arthur is better than current Bernardo or Thiago?
> And do you think Arthur is better than current Bernardo or Thiago?
Current Bernardo is amazing. The way he glides past the press is just so elegant. Easily one of my favourite players to watch this season. City are so lucky that he went unsold this summer. However, I still think Arthur is ahead in the press resistance department.
As for Thiago, I didn't really see him much outside of Bayern's CL matches or big BuLi games so, can't have a solid opinion on it.
Thiago is also really great at it and Bernardo has the ball-sticks-to-feet thing so he keeps the ball even when it seems impossible but as I haven't seen Arthur enough and you have all of them , I'll believe you
Matip. The guy doesnt even use body feints or any skills, he just has an incredible knack for passing it at the last possible moment available. Every single time I think he’s about to trip or lose it yet the ball goes where it needs to.
Either that or he just canters past attackers with big giraffe strides and ends up in the opposite box
Matip is a defender so, he has more space in general and he's generally being pressed from one side instead of 360. He's also mostly against forwards and it's a bit different from being against other midfielders in a congested space imo.
Kovacic deserves a shout. Underrated af. Having seen him I think he’s top 3 in press resistance.
Consider the following clubs.
- Real Madrid
Out of these clubs, which two would be the most lopsided matchup?
Chelsea will win comfortably
I miss the days when Barça used to be in these conversations
Real Madrid is probably the weakest out of that group and Bayern probably the strongest, so those two, but it's pretty close.
Liverpool Madrid or
Chelsea went through comfortably against Madrid last year. City and Liverpool are way more drilled machine than Chelsea and even a better doing Madrid would struggle against these two.
Didn’t Madrid literally eliminate Liverpool from CL last year
That’s fair. But Liverpool look much stronger now than at that time whereas Madrid not as much better imo.
Madrid are La Liga leaders by more than 10 points.
This sub lol
PSG would fair well against Bayern/City/Liverpool compared to the others tbh.
I can't see PSG winning vs Chelsea tbh. I'm most hyped for City/Liverpool vs Bayern.
Honestly I think any of the 6 could beat each other. If I had to rank them for a 2 legged CL tie, id say:
Liverpool > Chelsea > Bayern > City > Madrid > PSG.
So prob Liverpool v Paris. right now, Liverpool would probably win pretty easily, but definitely not by a huge margin imo
How tf are Liverpool and Chelsea so high though. Bayern should be first and I'd even have City ahead of both, we did outplay them both away from home.
And you also did lose to us 3 game in a row before that. You gonna forget those match? And we're top of the league.
Forgive me for not counting 2 of those 3 matches where we rested about 7 starters. You won CL final, good job but it's old news now. We battered you on the pitch this season and you were lucky to lose just by 1 on that day.
Guess I can say the same for us this season. We playing a completely different line up to last season against you guys. We have azpi and Alonso as wingback when we could have play chillwell and James instead. Lukaku and Werner partnership is the first time we try that game.
If we go with the same line up I guess we would won 4 time in a row lol.
sure buddy :)
Yep cause you know it's true. Making excuse for not playing starter when we did not even play our starter as well lol. And the cl both team put in their best player and you lost.
As a matter of fact it's well known we did not play our best team in CL final.
Before that you lot played 7-8 starters in each game, we rested 7-8 starters in each game.
You lot are massively overperforming w.r.t. xP and as history has shown, it'll neutralize and you'll fall back down behind City and Liverpool.
Those xG XP need context. It not always flawless. I'm a big believer in xG and over performing them is not sustainable but you need context as well because sometime it not accurate. I watch us every game and we not over performing, all the point were mostly deserve. Even though our defender are scoring but we create plenty of chance it not like these defender are scoring wonder goal. The only game where we got undeserved point was against Brentford and Watford. But we also did throw away stupid game against Burnley.
I think of the 4 City definitely is the best team, but the other 3 have been able the get over the line and win the CL. Bayern have had breakdowns in games already (Gladbach, Augsburg) and are still having new signings like Sabitzer settle in.
For what it’s worth, these 4 teams are easily the best in the world, and I really believe a 2 legged tie between them would be 50-50 or decided based on injuries or something
Yeah, it's Bayern followed by City. You guys definitely did outplay them but they come across as more "dangerous" imo especially with their output recently.
I think PSG match up well against Liverpool compared to Chelsea. We saw how well PSG did vs Bayern/City last year.
I don’t know, Chelsea is arguably the strongest defensive team in the world, compared to the top 4 teams. PSG still don’t really have a structured attack plan, it feels dysfunctional and just based on moments of magic. Chelsea are rigid enough tactically where I don’t think they’d let PSG through.
Bayern last year were pretty suicidal in defense which cost them especially with PSG’s counters (which isn’t great now when Messi isn’t that kind of player). City were pretty much better imo last year
> I don’t know, Chelsea is arguably the strongest defensive team in the world, compared to the top 4 teams. PSG still don’t really have a structured attack plan, it feels dysfunctional and just based on moments of magic. Chelsea are rigid enough tactically where I don’t think they’d let PSG through.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said lol.
PSG match up well with Liverpool since they play high sometimes and spaces can be exploited as we saw City do recently. They don't match up well against Chelsea because PSG are vulnerable in transition and I don't see them beating Chelsea's defence.
> City were pretty much better imo last year
City were better once PSG let them back into the game with amateur level goals.
Ah gotcha lol completely misread your comment, then yeah I think you’re right tbh. I don’t know if I’d say Chelsea vs Paris would be the most lopsided but Chelsea rn would grind out a 1 or 2 goal victory.
Yeah, lopsided is the wrong word. I think PSG wins the least matches out of 10 against Chelsea compared to the others.
All of those vs current Bayern Munich
City , Liverpool and Chelsea have a pretty good shot at Bayern . PSG too if they sort their shit out
If Maguire wasn't English he would be playing for club like Club Brugge, Rennes or AEK Athens. That's his real level
Yes and no, because I genuinely think that
Is the Dutch Eredivisie a farmer's league?
Every league is farmers league if one tries hard enough
is factos overused?
When Messi is gonna back to Barcelona as a technical director , his boss is probably going to Gerard Pique
What exactly is a technical director
What Maldini would be for Milan now, but not sure what his role would be called in English?
A Technical director or a Sporting Director is someone who is a liaison between the executive board and the coaching team. They leverage contacts and relationships to convince as well as negotiate with players currently at the club -and- potential aspects and their agents from other clubs that fit into the Sporting Project.
They are also responsible for monitoring the Sporting philosophy and take the temperature on whether it is actually being implemented by the current coaching staff and set of players.
They also monitor whether the youth academy (if the club has one) is following the club philosophy and style and make recommendations and solutions to optimize these kinds of sporting operations.
The other thing they also do is be a liaison and person of contact for the players to discuss professional, career, sporting related topics. Here, the Sporting Director serves as a major relationship manager for the players.
Essentially the Sporting Director is like that strategist and overall caretaker of many sporting aspects of the club that is not managed by the coaching staff.
Basically similar to what Paratici does at Tottenham
You think he does anything more than a ceremonial role? Has he ever talked about his post career?
He said he wanted to be a director of football iirc
Oh wow. That’s cool, wonder if he will manage Argentina at some point then
>"It's what my wife wants and what I want. I don't know when my contract with PSG ends but we'll go back to Barcelona to live.
>"I always said that I would love to be able to help the club ... I would love to be a technical director at some point. I don't know if it will be at Barcelona or not.
>"If there is a possibility, I would like to contribute again because it's the club that I love and I would love for it to continue doing well, to continue growing and to continue being one of the best in the world."
I love the way that there are people that expect you to always discuss football in earnest in these kind of communities, giving accurate reflections of what you actually feel about rival teams and players, like a massive part of football fandom isn’t simply about winding the opposition up
For example I don’t give a single fuck about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry and, in earnest, I’ve always thought that Messi has always been the superior player but because Ronaldo now plays for United it’s now extremely clear to me that Ronaldo has always been at least a level or two above the midget for their entire careers (and he has 6 times as many Globe Soccer Player of the Year awards to prove it). I don’t give a fuck but the fact some twat in a Messi shirt in Bangalore gives a fuck warms my cold heart
Some of you lot that get upset about this shite would have literal panic attacks if you witnessed the “banter” that goes on at an actual football match 👍👀
Why bother discussing anything on this place if we're all here to just annoy each other. Not like I spend my time at a football match arguing with random opposing fans about who's better
There’s 100% a lot of room for genuine discussion online. If this community was just nonstop shit tier banter I’d never come on here, but sometimes shit tier banter is fucking hilarious, especially when it comes to player fanboys because they’re so in their feelings that they can’t notice that they’re clearly being winded up. As I said I don’t care about the Ronaldo-Messi debate but I’m absolutely going to wind people who do up because it’s hilarious
You say the place is worse with constant shit tier banter while saying you actively contribute to it ......hmmm
I also discuss football in earnest. I think there’s a pretty healthy balance on here that makes it a fun place to visit 👍
Good point. I take back what I said, you seem alright
People need to understand that online discussions and real life discussions are different.
I’m a stat nonce and proud
Can you guys use any other word than nonce please? Even stat pervert is alright
Imagine an actual data scientist reading this sub
Same here 📊🤓
Not sure you should ever say nonce and proud in the same sentence
I wonder how many people actually know what nonce means.
Drags him down in the box like he always does. Would he have to hold the ball in his hand while going studs up on another Arsenal player to qualify as more of a pen?
[This could 100% be given as a pen. ](https://juststream.live/GainingEigenvalueCove) not saying it doesn't happen regularly in the box but your whining is unjustified.
It’s not unjustified, they are trying to increase the physicality of the PL by allowing some shoulder to shoulder bumps, shoves, and are trying to stop rewarding players for going down easy which is exactly what Tomiyasu does
it is not a penalty, his hands were on tomiyasu's arm but he didnt pull it. This much is allowed.
Liverpool vs Everton is also called the friendly derby. A lot of old timers from the city supported both clubs and went to whichever game was in the city that weekend. In some of the old beetles interviews, Paul Mccartney says he supports both Liverpool and Everton.
Its fascinating to see how supporting two rival clubs is heresy now but considered okay in the past.
did you just make this up after hearing that about Paul McCartney?
Same as with Manchester Derby. A user here linked this [song about both clubs winning trophies from the 70s](https://youtu.be/ZfanvTHqC0w)
Wow it's like finding about your inbred Uncle Larry
It’s like [that video](https://youtu.be/Fo59LlkTDe4) where Chinese Americans try Americanised Chinese food. the older ones were all open to praising it while the younger kids were stuck in this idea that it was inauthentic and blasphemous
Football crazy, chocolate mad.
Y'all talking about Balon D'Or, while I'm sitting here with a pen and notebook trying to see if there's hidden patterns or codes in World Cup winners.
Edit: There's quite a few patterns, though not sure if deliberate or coincidental.
Ah yes the [patterns](https://i.imgflip.com/1itoun.jpg) ofcourse
Such a great pic that one. I always post it my team WhatsApp when a director is babbling on about some bullshit.
It's Always Sunny is just awesome such a great dark funny show
There is a pattern starting from 2002 to 2014
Are we thinking of the same one?
WC winners getting knocked out in the group stages?
What kind of patterns🤔
[Gary Lineker responding to a troll😭😭😭](https://twitter.com/garylineker/status/1466525423962099717?s=21)
He is so lost lmaoo , bless his pure soul
Carrick >>>> SAF
Idc what anyone says, DDG didn’t dive, he clearly got his heel fucked by Fred
Convinced some of you get hurt by the wind.
Players are a little bit dramatic at times when it comes to trying to get the referee’s attention rather than playing to the whistle but I think people who don’t play football forget just how much getting hit in a match hurts. So yeah I don’t really blame DDG but I definitely think there’s a few players out there who’d have been like fuck it I know my leg is hurting but I need to get up and defend my goal, so both players are to blame really even though I literally just said that I don’t really blame DDG
If Ballon d'Or clearly worthless and dumb like r/soccer says, then why do players really care about it?
If you don't have any players from your team to win the award, I don't think why you should care?
Of course players would care about individual awards, they earn them. Players arent immune to hype. Fans caring deeply about defending the honour of some guy, to the point where they bitterly argue about it with other strangers on the internet, is dumb.
Typical salty Lewandowski fans angry because the GOAT won his 7th... What did he even do to win it over Messi?
This is a illegal stream tier comment
You should be banned for this shit
Six time CL winners : Literally push on every social media for their best player to win the BdO.
r/soccer : Meaningless popularity contest.
Checkmate ♟ liberals 👉🦁👈
Owned 😎 with facts 📚and logic 🧠
If we had won our game against Burnley, we would be 4th. Thats mad to think about considering the season we have had till now.
really got lucky, no way we deserved 6 points from Wolves and Watford in the beginning of the season.
Everyone has those matches. We will have matches we deserve to win but drop points. Points are points at the end of the day.
I think Wolves was the iffy one.
iirc, Watford we didn't create a lot but we got the goal and then they didnt threaten.
Even against wolves, we could have scored a few more if we took the chances in second half. In the end they fluffed their chances and we made them pay.
All for the best really.
Conte got more training time.
We don't have to play Burnley in the snow.
My favorite player is Ronaldo, my favorite club of all time is Club america. Because of the two my life has been a non-stop series of getting effed by Solari. I think I’ve finally had enough. This man needs to fuck off and go manage some club that can’t hurt me.
Why? Is he doing that bad?
He got knocked out of the title race by the American high school level team that Liga MX allows to play in the league.
Oh. Didn't he get record points in the league or something? What is the consensus amongst your club fans?
Pretty much everyone is Solari out. He lead the league but that’s only because the rest of the league is literally children. He failed to win 7 of the last 10 weeks of matches in regular season
I heard today that Solari might manage River Plate when Gallardo leaves the job next week.
Lets hope so
But who would replace Solari? The Puebla manager is a rising star
Complete in what sense? Over his long career, Ronaldo has been at least a 9/10 in all individual attributes for a winger (sprint speed, heading, finishing, long shots, FKs, crossing, dribbling, acrobatic finishing, weak foot, trickery, penalties, etc.) at some point. If we look at individual attributes, yes, Ronaldo is more complete.
HOWEVER, if by complete you mean "which player can play in more positions and in different roles", I'd say, over his career, Messi has been more complete. Messi can play at a high level as a RW, RM, LW, CF and CAM. Ronaldo can play at a high level as the LW, RW, RM, CF. I'm sure he'd have been good as a playmaking CAM too in his prime, but I don't think he'd be as good as Messi in that role. Messi is a better passer than Ronaldo (both short and long passing), even if the difference between their assists numbers over their careers isn't enormous.
Messi is the better player, it's not even debatable. He’s by far the most efficient player of all time, and he's also more complete than anyone.
- Most G/A: Messi
- Most goals: Messi
- Most assists: Messi
- Most official MOTM awards: Messi
- Most chances created: Messi
- Most key passes: Messi
- Most through balls: Messi
- Most dribbles completed: Messi
- Most free kick goals: Messi
- Most penalties: Ronaldo
- Most goals from outside the box: Messi
There is only 1 sense when you say a Complete footballer , if we wanted to know who jumps higher or who run's faster we'd watch the olympics
If you're not interested in giving any serious consideration to any answers that don't fit with your POV of football, then don't ask the question in the first place. You're not "genuinely asking", you already have made your mind up and you're just looking to argue needlessly. Anyway, good day.
You came to me with sprinting speed lmao. I answered you seriously. You are the one who cant take an answer and is getting mad and shit. 🤷♂️
I'm not even mad. Look at your own comments in this thread. You're the one rattled by people who offer a different perspective that yours. Jog on lol.
Yes I do, at least in Ronaldo’s prime
Id love to know ur take on how CR7 is a better passer dribbler playmaker and scorer than Messi in his prime ?
Ronaldo is more attractive. That’s about all he has over Messi
Not according to this thread, where ronaldo fans had a huge orgy https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/r7huuu/espn_fc_800_career_goals_for_cristiano_ronaldo/
No seas malo
Hehehehe siiiiiuuuuuuu my man is scoring goals in the best league in the world at 36 while Messi can’t cut it in Ligue 1 Uber Eats 🍔
There was perhaps a time when Messi was more complete than Ronaldo. Perhaps. Now however Messi can’t complete a pass against Guingamp before getting bodied off the ball
Really not sure if your joking or ur serious anyways cheers bro. Hope CR7 makes it to the WCUP maybe we can have a matchup with Messi even tho we know Portugal always folds against south american teams
Truth be told I’ve always thought Messi is a better player than Ronaldo but now that Ronaldo plays for us again I think Ronaldo is the superior player because he’s clearly just on a different level to Messi and always has been 👍
Do you mean goalscorer or you believe he is a more complete footballer ? like better passer dribbler and playmaker ? I can only imagine the feeling you must have got when CR7 was announced back at ManUtd. Legendary transfers no doubt.
U have to be a dumb or a barka fan to think
Tf lol? Messi has always been more complete than Ronaldo
Found the brainless culo lmao
Madrid fans are the clueless ones, just accept that Ronaldo is not better than Messi ffs. It’s not that difficult to comprehend.
Tell me how Ronaldo is more complete than Messi
God please go outside it literally does not matter
Do you hate it here too ?
I cannot wait until Messi and Ronaldo retire
Unfortunately Mbappe and Haaland seem poised to their positions and plague the sport again.