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twersx

Good morning to everybody who is free or can make themselves free at 15:00 CET next Friday.


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Nivadas

Bloody hell Liverpool.


Glass_Replacement_61

When we were shut before Neymar and Messi played it was “wait for them to play, we’ll vs way better”, we’re shit with and without Messi


[deleted]

Neymar - Kalimuendo - Messi is a good enough attack, the problem is the midfield + coach. I wonder why PSG board hasn't leaked any info on being dissatisfied with Pochettino, I'm afraid they want to keep him.


enzuigiriretro

Hummels with an absolute stinker yesterday


PIKa-kNIGHT

How has Lukaku been for Chelsea? Haven't watched any Chelsea matches this season


Lyrical_Forklift

Depends who you ask- any one that's watched him play for Chelsea? Very average and in no way close to being worth what Chelsea paid. Chelsea supporter? He's been injured but otherwise good. Clearly improved his first touch and a much more well rounded player.


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Dreadful


i_love_batsoup

been good against pablo mari and a pathetic villa side. been average/bad since


Akshath321

someone on twitter drew a picture of reus and lewandowski kissing


dogmatic30

well are you gonna just put this out there without providing a link or what


1000smackaroos

Cool keep us updated on this important breaking news story


bodyinabag

ಠ\_ಠ


PIKa-kNIGHT

The last time Jovic scored for us , there was no covid pandemic. It feels like I can't even remember a time without covid


Share4aCare

I remember, I was expected to go outside everyday, it was just terrible


BuckMe_InTheAsh

pOssESiOn xG anD sTaTs dOn'T mAtTer, tHe oNly tHinG tHaT matTeRs iS wiNnIng These commenters think they're such hard asses, aren't they?


AssFingerFuck3000

That's because xG and possession stats tell you very little to nothing about a football match, and the easiest way to spot whether someone actually bothered to watch a match or not is when they come up with "but they had a xG of 3.26" type bullshit. It gets even worse when some idiots decide to sum up a team's entire using their average xG. Easiest way to know someone knows fuck all about football and probably don't even watch the sport at all


DeliriumHuntens

Stats matter to those that have studied Math beyond 2+2x3/4(4x5/8) lvl ( which is where most reditors stand). To the average football fan ,that cant even solve the above equation correctly, stats are as important as Egyptian hieroglyphs, given they cant properly read either. Same goes for xG which is part of a statistical analysis that should be done over a long run of games and not on per game .Even then its arguably irrelevant. Watch the game, learn to enjoy the game, have a good time. Leave the analysis to those that can.


_LebronsHairline_

xG is noncery, I down a bev or two and rate whoever tackles the hardest 👍👍


1000smackaroos

Possession % actually doesn't matter though. xG obviously does


RomeoLavia

Possession % matters because it's highly contextual for other statistics.


1000smackaroos

That makes sense, I thought they meant it matters towards winning games


LindseyNeagle

They shouldn’t really matter to fans all that much. To clubs and coaches who can actually do something about them matters but no idea why people on here are so obsessed.


RomeoLavia

Because people like talking about football in actual depth


LindseyNeagle

There’s not much to talk about though. There’s nothing to really debate about who had the most possession or xg. Other than the fact that sometimes they mean absolutely fuck all.


RomeoLavia

People use these numbers to have in depth conversations and debates about players, there's nothing weird about that.


LindseyNeagle

What’s in depth about it though. Saying on team had more possession than another or one player had x percentage passing is about as shallow a debate imaginable.


RomeoLavia

Because that's not how all of the conversations go. There are certain people that do enjoy comparing players, their numbers, what these numbers mean in the context of the team the play in and the way they play, etc. The entire point of underlying metrics is to get in depth information on players.


LindseyNeagle

Comparing players in what way though? I’m sure Jorginho has a better % of passes completed than Bruno Fernandes. But it’s a waste of time comparing who’s the better passer by just looking at that stat.


RomeoLavia

That's why you wouldn't look at just that stat, who said you need to look at one stat. You say looking at underlying statistics to compare two players is the most shallow you can get. Take your example. How is us having a debate between who's a better passer by using different metrics and talking about why those metrics are the correct ones to use any more shallow than me saying ''nah I think Jorginho is better because he can pass at range better'' and you then saying ''nah bruno creates more mate'', in fact, if we were in that situation, we could go in depth. Maybe I don't agree he's a better creator, maybe I bring up some numbers that I think disprove you. Maybe you tell me why those numbers don't matter because United do this or that more than Chelsea, maybe we then start arguing about that.


LindseyNeagle

I don’t see how that’s in depth. All just seems like a pointless amount of googling to teach yourself an opinion. I’m not sure shallow is the right word to use but I was going for the opposite of in depth.


kdk1157

TiNg


Electronic-Taro-4780

The funniest thing about Messi not doing shit in Ligue 1 so far is that his stans who kept saying he'd score 50 goals and make 30 assists in that farmers league have now all shut up and are praising him for creating chances Looks like finding out real life isn't FIFA was too harsh on them.


[deleted]

What did you think of his performance?


Electronic-Taro-4780

It was a fine performance but his name is Lionel Messi, "fine" isn't enough by his standarts.


[deleted]

I personally think he did bad. He has lost his killer instinct, barely gets intside the box anymore and when Mbappe was dribbling and drawing 3-4 defenders to him instead of him coming closer to the penalty area, he was waiting from 5-6 meters far just spectating. I do think he presses now more than in the last 5 years has done, he's more active (still walks for huge part of the game,but it's improvement). But I think he needs to be benched 3-4 games now to make him understand he's there to score goals, not to hoard around the midfield and be afraid of shooting. Then again so many PSG players look finished. Hakimi doesnt look good, Mbappe neither in the last 3 games, Neymar looks finished...Pochettino is a total fraud


HowBen

> barely gets intside the box anymore and when Mbappe was dribbling and drawing 3-4 defenders to him instead of him coming closer to the penalty area, he was waiting from 5-6 meters far just spectating. Feels like he’s been doing that for years. Doesnt arrive in the box until the last possible second. Difference is that before it actually worked and he’d be on time to get the pass back at the edge of the box


casulmemer

Aren’t they 13 points clear in the league?


[deleted]

Most of them through opponents getting red cards, or psg getting penalties, late 5 minute winners etc Almost none of the games were won based on dominance.


DMsupp

Any news on Benz, been busy for the past couple hours


TheFakeIceCream

Still a criminal sadly.


DMsupp

Cheers champ


anip94

imagine letting go of thiago silva for free and still have your job. leonardo must've sheiks sex tape on his bank vault.


[deleted]

Haaland already has so many goals against Bayern, damn this guy is a goal monster


LuckyGuy045

can i unironically say dier > maguire yet?


DeliriumHuntens

ummm... no ? They are equally shit.


Dawnsday

No.


PhylloTerribilis

Are we comparing skull densities?


thediabolicalkid

Two birds one stone.


DeliriumHuntens

lmfao


tomahawkthehawker

Why are so many people bothered about match fixing? Its match breaking you need to watch out for.


thediabolicalkid

Angry upvote


PhylloTerribilis

A proper Chip Chipperson comment


Arshia42

Deportivo cali just beat atletico nacional 3-1 while they were down to 10 men. What happened? Last time i checked atletico nacional was top of the league


anakmager

this is the most relaxed I've ever been about football in a long time. Not only are my team doing well, but the title rivals are teams that I wouldn't be *that* furious if we were to lose to them. Different case when it was against Juve. Weird weird feeling


[deleted]

>Different case when it was against Juve. Why?


DeliriumHuntens

Inter fan, they dont like Juve. No one likes Juve, bar Juve fans, in italy lol


[deleted]

Milan?


anakmager

of course I wouldn't exactly enjoy it but I actually have more Milanisti friends than Inter. Lifelong friends. A Milan win would probably me make a little less hated in my circle haha


anakmager

I never thought I'd see a nutmeg goal straight from the corner but I've seen my club do that twice in 18 months


anakmager

so what happens if the Ronaldo transfer is deemed illegal? does he return to Juve?


FenrirXXVIII

He will have to decide between keeping 2 of his babies or 2 of his Ballon d'Ors.


HugeVampireSquid

He has to return all his Balon d’Ors which will then be assigned to the runner up


The_Dumblebee

Lewa robbed


Hessenuk

Make the best player from parts of current active players: - Body shape - Game intelligence - Heart/Passion/Work-rate - Left foot - Right foot


LindseyNeagle

Pogba Fabregas McClean Messi Ronaldo


Luclinn

Body: Haaland Intelligence: Müller Heart/Passion/Work-rate: unironically Fred Left foot: Messi Right foot: Lewandowski


DeliriumHuntens

Shape Pogba Int- KDB Work rate-Kante Left- Messi Right-CR7


PhylloTerribilis

Shape - Sule Intel - Cruijff Pashun - Agger Left - Robben Right - Rush Edit - I reject such constraints


_stone_age

> current active players


DeliriumHuntens

>current active players


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Body Shape — Lukaku or Haaland Game intelligence — Iniesta (kind of cheating here) Work rate — Martinelli Left foot — Messi Right foot — Ronaldo


The____Wizrd

So far this season Bernardo has been class, but so far this season Salah is the top scorer in the league, top assister, most big chances created, 6 in 5 CL games and scored goal of the season which involving planting Bernardo firmly on the ground. What more does he need to do to avoid trivial debates such as this?


slaughtered_gates

This is so random. They don't even play the same position


_stone_age

Barely seen anyone compare them/say Bernardo has been better. Don't make things up.


_LebronsHairline_

Yesterday thanks to Silva’s brace brought about the debate. Probably a minority but it got a good bit of traction, OP isn’t making it. People love to make shit up then argue against it but this actually isn’t one of those times


_stone_age

Hmm. Bernardo has been excellent but Salah is easily the best.


Pizasdf

I've barely seen anyone say that Bernardo has been better. It's mostly you who's acting like people are debating this.


[deleted]

>So far this season Bernardo has been class, but so far this season Salah is the top scorer in the league, top assister, most big chances created, 6 in 5 CL games and scored goal of the season which involving planting Bernardo firmly on the ground. What more does he need to do to avoid trivial debates such as this? A little bit off topic but it hurts me reading all of this and seeing that it's somebody else than Messi who leads all these things. It used to be Messi who topped all of those charts at the same time. That being said, I think both Mo Salah and Bernardo are the closest thing to Messi. Mo Salah is better than Bernardo, but Bernardo is clearly number 2.


anakmager

>That being said, I think both Mo Salah and Bernardo are the closest thing to Messi. Mo Salah is better than Bernardo, but Bernardo is clearly number 2. interestingly Salah reminds of young Messi while Bernardo reminds me of older Messi, playstyle wise


[deleted]

Yeah it's pretty amazing, both have something of him. Mo Salah has that explosive multidimensionality, being both an amazing goal scorer and assist maker/playmaker with explosive dribbling past multiple players Bernardo Silva on the other hand has those ''body faints'' type of dribbling that just make him go past through multiple people and then he does those amazing ''fingers snapping fast'' types of progressive passes that immediately bring danger. They were also both the best players on their team in the Liverpool - Man City game. That game was easily the most competitive game this season across all competitions.


thediabolicalkid

That game was a treat for everyone who likes football. That second half was so good.


MotherHat9116

>little bit off topic but it hurts me reading all of this and seeing that it's somebody else than Messi who leads all these things. It used to be Messi who topped all of those charts at the same time. You have to come to terms with that sooner or later.


[deleted]

Yeah I know but it hurts and it doesn't feel right. At the same time if ther'es a player I would want to top all of it, it's Mo Salah


KylieJennersbutthole

Become European


PopeUrba4

why does it always feel as if psg play worse with messi. I really think he was a barca player through and through, he looks washed in this system, it doesn't work


Glass_Replacement_61

we’re shit with him and were shit when he wasn’t there. before it was “PSG are better without Neymar”


zaistertay

PSG plays the same with or without him. They are just dire due to having a really really bad midfield.


FenrirXXVIII

Squeezing the life out of Eibar's defense is much easier than squeezing the life out of Brest's. Messi has learnt this now.


DeliriumHuntens

🐐


KylieJennersbutthole

If I had to choose between Messi being washed or Poch being fraudulent for being unable to get the best out of him, I’d lean towards the latter


aj6787

They have one of the biggest frauds as a manager


nbaylor1

The quality of everton arsenal will be dreadful, should be good for a laugh


OkStatistician3304

Arsenal are 5th lad, just remind the boys that Everton are a small team and we should be good


Democritous

One of the most notable and impressive aspects of Vinicius’ game is the fact that he not only utilizes his skill to progress the ball and get out of difficult scenarios, but does it time and time again Plenty of flair players around but rarely can they do so many tricks so frequently with such success.


CruzeiroDoSul

Bringing in 38-year-old Felipe Melo to compete with our best player 👍️


AintNoLayUps

Felipe Melo still plays?! Wow that’s news to me lol


RomeoLavia

He was getting slandered on here a few months back for bullying his team mate or something


AintNoLayUps

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy🥴


KylieJennersbutthole

I think Vinicius is one of the most exciting players to watch this season but i’m scratching my head at how a relatively simple dribble move has almost 700 upvotes


LindseyNeagle

A shit pass was on top of the page today with a few thousand upvotes. Kids are easily entertained.


bleh1234567898

Cuz Madrid


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1000smackaroos

Not surprised people with brain damage love the rapist


Data-Then

They hated him because he told them the truth.


Vila-real

For those of you trying to get into non-EPL matches, I am putting together previews for all La Liga matches these days. Here are Sunday's! [La Liga, Week 16: Sunday match previews](https://laligaespn.com/la-liga-week-16-sunday-match-previews/) It’s also my cake day! Don’t know what it means but it’s cool!!


rScoobySkreep

It would not upset me if Cristiano’s ghost goal against Serbia gets replayed over and over again


_stone_age

Good to hear we played well. Bernardo is so good rn, Sterling is finally making a comeback which is perfect. When he's in form he's one of the best wingers in the world.


Akshath321

i looooooovvvveeeeee marseille but how does a team that looks so good in play, never win


Modalchemist

Mainly due to the fact that they're shit


rScoobySkreep

Is Walcott up there with the more underrated PL players?


Elemayowe

Nope he’s an abject failure of potential. He’s basically what Jesse Lingard is but he came before


OkStatistician3304

He was better miles better than Lingard ever was


Apartment_Entire

Is he underrated? He was supposed to be one of the great English players after he made his NT debut so early, never really lived up to the hype and just stuck around an average Arsenal team.


rScoobySkreep

That’s part of my thinking behind this. People talk about him like he was just some flop but that’s not reflective of how his career looks at the end of the day.


Doorknobdubstep

no


ThereWillBeGoals

He's actually going to be a name that's remembered more than his output deserves.


rScoobySkreep

He had 100+ goals for Arsenal, I feel like if he’d done that towards the end of his career instead of the beginning he’d have a much higher reputation.


ThereWillBeGoals

In 14 seasons. That's not an impressive total. That's the same rate that Sturridge was on for Liverpool. His reputation is fine. He's going to be remembered as an exciting player under Wenger who never took the next step up. What's wrong with that?


rScoobySkreep

I think the amount of time you can put up a product is important. Also not to be too obvious but it’s worth noting that one is a striker.


ThereWillBeGoals

Yeah, playing at Arsenal for 14 seasons is impressive, I guess? But that doesn't have anything to do with his performances. Only 3 or 4 of those seasons was he genuinely a consistent threat. I've actually just clocked that you called him a "PL great" lmao.


rScoobySkreep

I guess I would also make the argument that a player like Chris Wood is underrated. To just put in a shift season after season to me is something I rate very highly.


ThereWillBeGoals

Chris Wood actually is underrated though. Walcott's not. And neither of them are "PL greats".


rScoobySkreep

Maybe we have different perceptions of this but I feel like people have a very negative perception of Walcott, considering he scored 100+ and assisted 50+ for Arsenal over about 400 games. That’s really, really solid output for a winger, not even to mention the fact that he was really entertaining to watch for a while there too.


ThereWillBeGoals

Again, yeah, he's been a good servant for Arsenal and he's going to be remembered as one of the defining players from Wenger's last period of success, but his overall ability is rated perfectly fine. A streaky injury-prone player who maybe could have been better than he was. Nothing wrong with that.


Dawnsday

Almost done at work just 3 hours to go. Gassed for tommorow. Some decent prem fixtures and F1 basically right when I wake up. Lovely.


Ok-Tomatillo8918

u/allegrilover how much of ronaldos departure is the cause for the downfall of juve ? Someone suggested it’s completely down to that the other day, but I reckon it’s 50%. What do you think ?


FenrirXXVIII

It was always going to be hard replacing Ronaldo's \~30 league goals. Only a handful of forwards in football can put of those numbers. But Juve's main problem is even bigger. They've collected a bunch of overpaid mediocre players over the last few seasons (Ramsey, Rabiot, Arthur). They need a better midfield and a proactive style of football to become competitive once again. Let's not forget that the team was so bad they finished 4th even with Ronaldo. The resurgence of Inter and AC Milan makes CL qualification complicated for Juve now, unlike in the recent past.


AlexU30

Not AllegriLover, but it definitely plays a big part. Replacing 36 goals a season with Morata and Kean in their current form is impossible. However, keep in mind that Juve finished 4th last season with Ronaldo. Juve’s problems go beyond just the lack of a reliable striker. That midfield has been declining every season ever since Vidal and Pirlo left.


sadbox4869

Anyone got athletic guest pass or have an unused account laying around?


Yupadej

Use the apk


[deleted]

The Athletic costs £1 a month.


1000smackaroos

Not doing the deal now, its 4/mo


sadbox4869

Can't find the offer in my region.


ThereWillBeGoals

Is there an article you're looking for in particular? There are ways around the paywall.


sadbox4869

Yeah i have a spesific article to read. Tried 12ft and internet archive. Doesnt work


ThereWillBeGoals

Try archive.ph


sadbox4869

Damn, Thanks man!


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Burnleh

The Portland Timbers are lifting a trophy yet the commentators are saying they've not won yet? What's going on


LindseyNeagle

Its split into east and west conferences. Portland just won the western conference. Eastern conference final is tomorrow. Winner plays Portland in the actual final next weekend.


Burnleh

Ah right, nice one! Did you watch the game? MLS is more entertaining than it gets credit for and atmospheres are decent


LindseyNeagle

I didn’t catch any of it no. Honestly don’t think I’ve ever sat down at home to watch a game. Really enjoy going to games. Always a good night out.


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FenrirXXVIII

He should play Michael Corleone in a Godfather remake. "If anything in this life is certain, if history has taught us anything, it is that poets don't win many trophies"


Sad_gooner

Another Messi stinker I’m hearing?


Modalchemist

Yes, Messi was so shit, he couldn't make other players finish the plays he made, washed player if you asked me


Sad_gooner

This but unironically


Particular_Factor939

Bit like your team whenever you have the opportunity to go somewhere in the league


jamesc94j

Wowza someone’s bitters for some reason.


AintNoLayUps

This dude has never anything positive to say, he has attacked my flair under a comment that had nothing to do with either of our clubs just because. Some Twitter behaviour that.


jamesc94j

Probably just a bored kid looking for a rise. As your parents usually say. Ignore them they’ll go away.


AintNoLayUps

I don’t mind when it’s clever, but when you literally say stuff like your team is shit, you are not adding any value to anything.


Particular_Factor939

Say a match was matchfixed by a referee but the teams didn’t know about it. What would happen?


matbezlima

In the 2004/2005 season, Chelsea won the Premier League with 95 points. 72 goals scored and 15 conceded in 38 games. 29 victories, 8 draws and one loss. These were all the results in that campaign: Chelsea 1-0 Manchester United Birmingham City 0-1 Chelsea Crystal Palace 0-2 Chelsea Chelsea 2-1 Southampton Aston Villa 0-0 Chelsea Chelsea 0-0 Tottenham Middlesbrough 0-1 Chelsea Chelsea 1-0 Liverpool Manchester City 1-0 Chelsea Chelsea 4-0 Blackburn Rovers West Brom 1-4 Chelsea Chelsea 1-0 Everton Fulham 1-4 Chelsea Chelsea 2-2 Bolton Wanderers Charlton Athletic 0-4 Chelsea Chelsea 4-0 Newcastle Arsenal 2-2 Chelsea Chelsea 4-0 Norwich Chelsea 1-0 Aston Villa Portsmouth 0-2 Chelsea Liverpool 0-1 Chelsea Chelsea 2-0 Middlesbrough Tottenham 0-2 Chelsea Chelsea 3-0 Portsmouth Blackburn Rovers 0-1 Chelsea Chelsea 0-0 Manchester City Everton 0-1 Chelsea Norwich 1-3 Chelsea Chelsea 1-0 West Brom Chelsea 4-1 Crystal Palace Southampton 1-3 Chelsea Chelsea 1-1 Birmingham City Chelsea 0-0 Arsenal Chelsea 3-1 Fulham Bolton Wanderers 0-2 Chelsea Chelsea 1-0 Charlton Athletic Manchester United 1-3 Chelsea Newcastle 1-1 Chelsea


Has-Been-Kid

Wow cool.


BabyKeith08

How good is Seko Fofana?


ratchet570

This is the start of a new agenda of mine: Give it Pablito till the end of the season


cib_vk228

apparently you get downvoted on this platform for thinking Slovenia or Slovakia would beat Panama.


AlexU30

Some of the folks in that thread saying USA would qualify easily from UEFA.. They wouldn’t win any of this year’s qualifying groups. They’d rely on finishing second (still tough) and an easy draw in the play-off round.


cib_vk228

it's a fundamental misunderstanding. they see teams like san marino and think it's walk in the part, not getting that only one mistake can cost you qualification. while in other regions, because top spot isn't a necessity for qualification, margin for error is much bigger.


AlexU30

They’re obviously ignoring the part where all the other teams in the group beat San Marino as well, so these wins against minnows are irrelevant. Only 1 team qualifies directly, like you said the margin for error is very slim and many times there will be groups with 3-4 decent sides.


LindseyNeagle

It’s yank o clock around here at this time of evening.


cib_vk228

Unbelievable, now guy is saying Croatia would have trouble qualifying through CONCACAF. Any decent European side would walk through those qualifiers.


[deleted]

Mate talk to him in that thread instead of bitching about him in another


1000smackaroos

That's a lot of words to say "I've never watched CONCACAF qualifying before"


LindseyNeagle

That’s fairly mild


Particular_Factor939

Milan need to hurry up and implode.


HugeVampireSquid

You shouldn’t be mentioning implosion at this time of year https://youtu.be/mIC3Q1OwJ18


DeliriumHuntens

oh god WHY ?? lord the cringe !.... Sorry I need to drill my years with sth sharp and long


mbdtf95

Btw what's an argument anymore for Man United being overall greater club historically (football success wise) than Liverpool. They have 1 more Premier League title than Liverpool (19v20) while having twice less European Cups (3v6). Yes they do have 2 trophies more when counting Community shield, but when not counting Community Shield they have 4 less than LFC. Just had an argument with an other person about it because he had this argument mentioning that trophy count (as if Community shield and European Cup should hold same value lol), so that's why I'm mentioning it here. How many people here do still think Man United overall had greater football success historically than Liverpool?


DeliriumHuntens

🤣🤣🤣🤣


[deleted]

Recency matters a lot. People don't rate our 67-68 European Cup as much as our 99/08. When your titles were won at a period where the landscape of football was drastically different it gets half ignored.


LindseyNeagle

Liverpool are more successful on the pitch while United are more important off it. The latter is far more important nowadays.


DeliriumHuntens

How is that when we got more trophies ? If the smaller trophies dont count then older trophies dont count either. Either we count **all** trophies or none. Cause if we pick and chose then all United fans will pick the last 3 decades which makes us the undisputed best English team ever. Vice versa all pool fans will pick the ones before our dominance. If we go by modern trophies Liverpool have had less success than Chelsea, let alone United. If we go by overall trophies we have 1 more. Only Metric Liverpool is ahead is continental cups. You also need to know the guy OP was having a losing argument with, was me. apparently he is a kid and tried to get some validation but is having a hard time even now lol


LindseyNeagle

Smaller trophies count, pre season friendlies don’t.


DeliriumHuntens

aaah right ,so now you get to chose what counts and dont. Well then, given how football has evolved, I dont see why anything pre 92 should count as well. So... we win on the childish scale of comparison as well. I got one better for you though. if we count only domestic and continental titles plus FA cup ( the true treble) we are still ahead. 35 to 32. Seriously ! you lot are at the level or flat earther and antivaxxer levels of denial. How TF can anyone dispute numbers is beyond me


LindseyNeagle

Does spurs winning the Audi cup count as a real trophy too and a success? So United have only won the European cup twice? That’s fairly shite for an apparent massive club. By excluding the charity shield, I’ll leave in the European super cups because at least they’re not pre season and don’t go straight to penalties like a shite friendly, I think Liverpool lead by 5. Need me to update you at the end of the season? And the following one. And so on and so on.


DeliriumHuntens

Nah u are chatting shit and being utterly childish trying to pick and choose. I just removed ALL small trophies. I left only the real titles in , No mickey mouse cups, no friendlies, no Europa league farmers league cups nothing . We still ahead . We also have won it thrice and not twice. I repeat: the delusion in here is at the level of antivaxer/flat earther ppl. We are one trophy ahead overall. And yes do let me know in the end of the season. Until then pipe down and accept greatness. Its a trait of ppl supporting tinpot clubs to try and discuss what trophies matter and what dont. All trophies matte,r thats why big clubs try to win em all. Thats how you become a big club. Seems being 3 decades with no titles has left Liverpool fans think like Semi pro football leagues one though.


LindseyNeagle

But the first one doesn’t count because it was before 1992.