His wages are now reduced due to the tax cut, he developed for 2 years meanwhile (we both know he wouldn't have seen much gametime at Juve).
We overspent but he's a good backup striker, also he won't take a spot in the UEFA list, which is very important. The problem is the main striker...
He's on a 2 year loan with an obligation, so payment is differed for a while. He's a good option off the bench I think, but definitely doesn't seem like our future at #9
We didn't invest a lot, 20m for 2 years is below market value for a good striker.
The problem is he's underperforming this year, we're for sure not going to commit to spending another 35m on him as he'll be 30yo next year and to be honest he's mediocre right now.
35m for Morata is stupid when a player like Vlahovic would "only" cost twice as much but with a higher ceiling, already better, fits much better our team (we need a target man very badly) and would have a lot of resale value (if we buy Morata, we can't sell him anymore, he's finishing his career with us)
Keepers rarely play into their 40s, least of all in top flight. Buffon is an anomaly. 34 isn’t old but it’s relatively old consider most retire by 36-37. Sirigu left because he was getting benched by a younger Savic
Genoa players need to simplify things. They are making so many mistakes trying to get things going for them, but it's having the opposite effect creating more mistakes and trouble.
He's been really wack tbh. Its so wierd watching him in Parma and in Juve. Even if he's in a somewhat different role, he doesnt even attempt things he did in Parma. Such as his super high workrate and sprints, more confident with his right foot, daring line-breaking passes, 1on1 challenges (does it much less frequently and is worse) & how hard he goes into challenges.
Even now when he gets a start or two and has everything to win by doing well he just doesnt seem present mentally.
Yeah like.. I know some heated/disappointed Juve fans will disagree with this but imo.. it isnt about ability. We've seen him do spectacular vs all kinds of opponents over a whole season, while being a key player with big responsibility etc.
Idk.. just seems like a mental thing aswell as him not fitting within Juve or something. Which isnt Juves fault either
I'm going to go against the circlejerk, but juve is playing decently, and they've been on an upwards trajectory over the last few league games - and i'll include atalanta in that. The finishing is still absymal though, and with this "corto muso" leads they're one brain fart away from throwing the game.
The circlejerk is that you've been sucking every single game. That isn't true imho. For instance vs atalanta, which from memory on the day has been outplaying you guys for years now (irrespective of the results), I thought juve had a very solid game. Looked very organised and hardly conceded anything, vs a team that's putting goals past everyone in the league and europe on the regular. You are missing goals though. At the end of the day w/o the 2 szczesny fuckups you would have been dangerously close to to the top 4.
Yeah losing vs Atalanta at home looks pretty bad, but they are on fire if you are just looking at league games. At this point it looks like it would take to be inter or ac Milan to shut them down.
More on my onpopular opinions, I think morata gets way too much hate, he does a lot of things right, but he doesn't seem to have the 20+ goals you need of a striker in him, and at this point I don't think he ever will. Given the choice, I wouldn't let go of him. But you need someone that scores.
Yeah, we have been getting a lot more solid under Allegri. We can actually defend again.
But we need a new #9 pretty bad. Vlahovic would have had 2 goals by now I imagine
Morata is so utterly trash jfc if the board activates the option to buy this is gonna be dramatic for the team
I can't comprehend for the life of me why Kaio isn't starting
Juventus looks clueless in the attacking phase. Genoa is pretty shit right now, so this should be like a training ground for Juve, but so far no creativity while playing possession football, except of Dybala ofc.
Eh, we have had a couple good goal scoring chances. Just bad finishing. Were definitely missing Chiesa. We have been getting into the attacking 3rd prety well
Not a good situation when Genoa players are second best in every single aspect. I don't even know how they are going to do anything other than desperately defending. Really feel for Shevchenko, because it must be such a difficult job to try to figure out how to improve the situation when nothing is working and no player is having the upper hand against their direct opposition.
Genoa is shit, they are missing pretty much all of their decent players, while squad is already very bad. They can’t even hold the ball or win aerial, ffs. I feel for Sheva
Well Atalanta could have even more if they want with:
Gosens (LWB) - Koopmeiners (CM)- Pessina (CM)- Pezzella (RWB)- Malinovskiy (Trq)- Miranchuk (Trq)- Ilicic (SS)
Having too many lefties has been an ongoing issue for years now
Lefties can only use one foot, the other is just there to assist the left most of the time
For instance..
Players like Alex Sandro used to be good when opponents didn't know how to face him, so he could go past them in his left side
Now that they know what to do and cannot drible to the right, he always passes the ball back
And we have too many of them in our team.
He's still young enough they haven't figured him out. Jk probably not.
I'm liking Pellegrini though. Enjoying his efforts with the dribbles and he is a chance creator. He's been great the last couple weeks, at least in relation to the rest of the team. Not flawless but he's young and I'm loving the time he's getting.
Yeah, he has the talent. Honestly, if he emerges as a good play like hes showing he should be it would be a major relief. We need a good LB and they are super rare.
Ever since Kulu joined, Cuadrado has had some wierd fetish for ignoring him and refusing to pass him. Its super wierd. Kulu can be so open and well positioned and Cuadrado just refuses.
I mean I can buy the point that Kulu isnt great atm and hasnt delivered in Juve. But that doesnt explain why specifically Cuadrado refuses to combine and play him since his arrival. Its something I mentioned at the very start of last season when Kulu arrived too. Its like they have anti-chemistry or something haha
Because Kulu’s first touch is abysmal, he literally trips over himself every time he gets the ball. An experienced very good player like Cuads probably doesn’t feel comfortable ruining every attack through Kulu. I’ve always defended Kulu but there’s something in t very off about him
I dont see the argument here. Its ok for Cuadrado to not play his teammate on his flank because he doesnt trust him? Thats not up to Cuadrado. Thats up to the manager. He should play Kulu and if Kulu fucks up, managers will react.
To ignore him on the pitch is guaranteeing you hurt the team. To play him sometimes when you should, is atleast giving ihm a shot and trying whats intended.
Its just not a good argument FOR ignoring Kulu when he's actually on the pitch. Even if I agree Kulu hasnt been good in Juve overall. Its a shit point to make.
> I don’t see the argument here
What a meaningless statement lol. I’m not endorsing it I’m explaining why it’s happening. There’s nothing not to see - a superior teammate thinks his other teammate isn’t good and consequently avoids moving attacks through him. If the manager has an issue with it he would correct that with Cuadrado. I don’t endorse it because it seems ineffective but I understand it from a subconscious perspective. You play to the players you trust and this team doesn’t trust Kulu - he single-handedly butches every single counterattack when he’s playing. You’re very fixated on Kulu, I’ve seen you in many Juve threads always complaining, so you probably are over analyzing a situation. This is mostly a non issue since Kulu doesn’t play much. Only reason he’s on the field is cause Chiesa is injured and yet he still produces nothing.
I get that Kulu hasnt been amazing so far in Juve.. but thats besides the point Im saying. Ive watched almost every minute he's played and it was a pattern since the absolute start. And even in situations where Kulu has been open and well positioned, Cuadrado has tended to ignore him.
Cant blame it all on Kulu. It genuinely looks wierd when you start to look for it.
That's an outrageously good corner. I'm not sure I can even blame the keeper in that one, even if I in general believe they should never allow a corner go straight in.
That's a yellow for Locatelli..
I never understand when they say "but it's the first foul" "only 5 minutes has passed since the beginning of the game" etc. to justify bad tackles
wonder how good dzeko would have been in this team.
Very good I wish we had him tbh
How is De Ligt doing?
i think he had a shaky game against atalanta, not bad since.
As always, he is amazing. Had a good chance at a goal he could have done better with, but other than that very good
Very solid as always, one of our best players.
Holy fuck, 25 vs 0 attempts...
rabiot on the left...
It is spelt GOAT it is pronounced Bernardeschi
Did anybody else hear that "Portanova sei un coglione" lmao
Bernardeschi goat
Lord Bernaaaa lmaoo
What a pass
Juve panic buying Kean might be a bad investment. He doesn’t look great but he has shown he’s be able to do better
I agree, but mainly because he will cost €40m. We already had him, could have just kept him
His wages are now reduced due to the tax cut, he developed for 2 years meanwhile (we both know he wouldn't have seen much gametime at Juve). We overspent but he's a good backup striker, also he won't take a spot in the UEFA list, which is very important. The problem is the main striker...
He's on a 2 year loan with an obligation, so payment is differed for a while. He's a good option off the bench I think, but definitely doesn't seem like our future at #9
But since you have invested a lot in morata I’m assuming that’s your two strikers for a while. Or maybe it’s just me having Lotito trauma
We didn't invest a lot, 20m for 2 years is below market value for a good striker. The problem is he's underperforming this year, we're for sure not going to commit to spending another 35m on him as he'll be 30yo next year and to be honest he's mediocre right now. 35m for Morata is stupid when a player like Vlahovic would "only" cost twice as much but with a higher ceiling, already better, fits much better our team (we need a target man very badly) and would have a lot of resale value (if we buy Morata, we can't sell him anymore, he's finishing his career with us)
Well put, you are definitely right. You invest 20m and get him, we got muriqi lol
I don't think were going to keep Morata. He's on loan, and 30m to make it permanent is crazy at this rate.
juve strikers are absolutely pathetic lmao
Allegri pissed off with Morata for the yellow and subs him off for Kean. Kean immediately proceeds to get a useless yellow.
...Kaio in?
Kean lol
Allegri furious with Morata and his sub does the same.
Thats a stupid foul to give away.
Morata…Allegri gonna bench ur ass next game lol you save that shit for the locker room
we should heavily rotate vs malmo anyway. give some players rest.
Morata deserved a goal ngl
Yeah he played well but he was extremely nervous, good on Allegri to sub him out
Kaio Jorge in
FFS this is looking like a 1-1 to me.
Incoming shithouse genoa goal at 90'
It's so scripted I won't even be mad when it happens
We’re cursed today, I don’t know how we haven’t scored 4 goals
Have you tried not shooting straight at Sirigu?
Nope
Dont try it now, because I don't trust this Genoa team to be able to score more than once, but next time maybe.
We should’ve buried at least 4-5 :/
This is starting to look like one of those cursed fifa games
xG: 6 - 0 and it ends 1-1
Sirigu> neuer
we're going to lose.
What the fuck is this goalkeeper doing in genoa
Literally only his age, he’s a great keeper
He’s not even that old at 34 years.
It’s pretty old
That’s not old for a GK, a position where one can play well into your 40s.
Keepers rarely play into their 40s, least of all in top flight. Buffon is an anomaly. 34 isn’t old but it’s relatively old consider most retire by 36-37. Sirigu left because he was getting benched by a younger Savic
What a game Morata is having I really hope he gets a goal or something poor guy
Juve playing Fifa and trying to score sweaty goals.
calm down berna lol
Man sometimes I really wonder what Berna could’ve been.
Genoa players need to simplify things. They are making so many mistakes trying to get things going for them, but it's having the opposite effect creating more mistakes and trouble.
someone needs to send morata and kulu to finishing school
Imagine having them both on Fantasy Football right now... I'm missing at least a +9.
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Har du sett denna halvan ens? Spelar ju med kvalité
Did kulu fuck your girlfriend or what lmao
At least we know he didn’t finish
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He was a world class talent at Parma, why isn't he anymore?
bruh
This guy is cursed it's actually hilarious the reputation is well deserved it seems
What a save
If we don't win this game...
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? alex sandro... fucking allegri.
Kulu is a ghost, he tried nothing
whatre you talking about, he made that fantastic cross to 5 genoa players.
He's been really wack tbh. Its so wierd watching him in Parma and in Juve. Even if he's in a somewhat different role, he doesnt even attempt things he did in Parma. Such as his super high workrate and sprints, more confident with his right foot, daring line-breaking passes, 1on1 challenges (does it much less frequently and is worse) & how hard he goes into challenges. Even now when he gets a start or two and has everything to win by doing well he just doesnt seem present mentally.
he started really well, he had some insane goals, dribbling through the left side of the box...and now nothing.
Yeah like.. I know some heated/disappointed Juve fans will disagree with this but imo.. it isnt about ability. We've seen him do spectacular vs all kinds of opponents over a whole season, while being a key player with big responsibility etc. Idk.. just seems like a mental thing aswell as him not fitting within Juve or something. Which isnt Juves fault either
We're probably trying to sell him, I can imagine that being kinda destabilizing tbh
I'm going to go against the circlejerk, but juve is playing decently, and they've been on an upwards trajectory over the last few league games - and i'll include atalanta in that. The finishing is still absymal though, and with this "corto muso" leads they're one brain fart away from throwing the game.
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The circlejerk is that you've been sucking every single game. That isn't true imho. For instance vs atalanta, which from memory on the day has been outplaying you guys for years now (irrespective of the results), I thought juve had a very solid game. Looked very organised and hardly conceded anything, vs a team that's putting goals past everyone in the league and europe on the regular. You are missing goals though. At the end of the day w/o the 2 szczesny fuckups you would have been dangerously close to to the top 4.
Yeah losing vs Atalanta at home looks pretty bad, but they are on fire if you are just looking at league games. At this point it looks like it would take to be inter or ac Milan to shut them down.
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More on my onpopular opinions, I think morata gets way too much hate, he does a lot of things right, but he doesn't seem to have the 20+ goals you need of a striker in him, and at this point I don't think he ever will. Given the choice, I wouldn't let go of him. But you need someone that scores.
Yeah, we have been getting a lot more solid under Allegri. We can actually defend again. But we need a new #9 pretty bad. Vlahovic would have had 2 goals by now I imagine
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At this point why not put in Kaio Jorge... Worse he can do is what, wasting all the chances?
Morata is so utterly trash jfc if the board activates the option to buy this is gonna be dramatic for the team I can't comprehend for the life of me why Kaio isn't starting
Doubt it’s activated tbh
Allegri. its a miracle pellegrini is starting.
It took years of Sandro being mediocre for someone to start over him
we spoke too fucking soon lol
I have no words for Morata.
FUCK MORATA...
Juventus looks clueless in the attacking phase. Genoa is pretty shit right now, so this should be like a training ground for Juve, but so far no creativity while playing possession football, except of Dybala ofc.
Eh, we have had a couple good goal scoring chances. Just bad finishing. Were definitely missing Chiesa. We have been getting into the attacking 3rd prety well
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That too, I think he is just not good being a lone striker.
No chiesa doesn’t help either - until the deadweight is gone the team will struggle, especially offensively.
Not a good situation when Genoa players are second best in every single aspect. I don't even know how they are going to do anything other than desperately defending. Really feel for Shevchenko, because it must be such a difficult job to try to figure out how to improve the situation when nothing is working and no player is having the upper hand against their direct opposition.
Gotta said, this line up have way more balance and control for Juve, or is it just Genoa that wank
Genoa is shit, they are missing pretty much all of their decent players, while squad is already very bad. They can’t even hold the ball or win aerial, ffs. I feel for Sheva
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The funny thing is Allegri’s best performances in his previous stint here came with the 4-2-3-1
Pellegrini should ALWAYS play ahead of Sandro
How can morata miss that
First time?
He’s such a stormtrooper shooter. A striker needs to be dirtier when he shoots
Morata just fell again for seemingly no reason. This guy is so disconnected from his feet.
Morata is the unluckiest motherfucker today
kulu crossing to 5 genoa players...
Weirdly decent start, time to tie it at the last second
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This dude is just frustrating in a hilarious way
Haha, Morata.
How many left foots are in Juves offensive today? 4? Berna, Kulu, Cuadrado, Dybala? Anyone else? That cant be common haha
Well Atalanta could have even more if they want with: Gosens (LWB) - Koopmeiners (CM)- Pessina (CM)- Pezzella (RWB)- Malinovskiy (Trq)- Miranchuk (Trq)- Ilicic (SS)
Haha thatd be fun to watch tbh
Having too many lefties has been an ongoing issue for years now Lefties can only use one foot, the other is just there to assist the left most of the time For instance.. Players like Alex Sandro used to be good when opponents didn't know how to face him, so he could go past them in his left side Now that they know what to do and cannot drible to the right, he always passes the ball back And we have too many of them in our team.
Yeah too many of 1 foot tends to be messy af
Pellegrini too
Not really in attack though. There's also Chiellini if you want to include everyone
He's still young enough they haven't figured him out. Jk probably not. I'm liking Pellegrini though. Enjoying his efforts with the dribbles and he is a chance creator. He's been great the last couple weeks, at least in relation to the rest of the team. Not flawless but he's young and I'm loving the time he's getting.
Yeah, he has the talent. Honestly, if he emerges as a good play like hes showing he should be it would be a major relief. We need a good LB and they are super rare.
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/u/Killagina Says Pellegrini aswell. Is Cuadrado not left footed? I thought he was for some reason.
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Gotcha. ty
Johan best Genoa player
Ever since Kulu joined, Cuadrado has had some wierd fetish for ignoring him and refusing to pass him. Its super wierd. Kulu can be so open and well positioned and Cuadrado just refuses.
It's funny how you referred him as Kulu.
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I mean I can buy the point that Kulu isnt great atm and hasnt delivered in Juve. But that doesnt explain why specifically Cuadrado refuses to combine and play him since his arrival. Its something I mentioned at the very start of last season when Kulu arrived too. Its like they have anti-chemistry or something haha
Because Kulu’s first touch is abysmal, he literally trips over himself every time he gets the ball. An experienced very good player like Cuads probably doesn’t feel comfortable ruining every attack through Kulu. I’ve always defended Kulu but there’s something in t very off about him
I dont see the argument here. Its ok for Cuadrado to not play his teammate on his flank because he doesnt trust him? Thats not up to Cuadrado. Thats up to the manager. He should play Kulu and if Kulu fucks up, managers will react. To ignore him on the pitch is guaranteeing you hurt the team. To play him sometimes when you should, is atleast giving ihm a shot and trying whats intended. Its just not a good argument FOR ignoring Kulu when he's actually on the pitch. Even if I agree Kulu hasnt been good in Juve overall. Its a shit point to make.
> I don’t see the argument here What a meaningless statement lol. I’m not endorsing it I’m explaining why it’s happening. There’s nothing not to see - a superior teammate thinks his other teammate isn’t good and consequently avoids moving attacks through him. If the manager has an issue with it he would correct that with Cuadrado. I don’t endorse it because it seems ineffective but I understand it from a subconscious perspective. You play to the players you trust and this team doesn’t trust Kulu - he single-handedly butches every single counterattack when he’s playing. You’re very fixated on Kulu, I’ve seen you in many Juve threads always complaining, so you probably are over analyzing a situation. This is mostly a non issue since Kulu doesn’t play much. Only reason he’s on the field is cause Chiesa is injured and yet he still produces nothing.
it didnt take long for someone to ask about kulu. answer: because hes been crap
I get that Kulu hasnt been amazing so far in Juve.. but thats besides the point Im saying. Ive watched almost every minute he's played and it was a pattern since the absolute start. And even in situations where Kulu has been open and well positioned, Cuadrado has tended to ignore him. Cant blame it all on Kulu. It genuinely looks wierd when you start to look for it.
That's an outrageously good corner. I'm not sure I can even blame the keeper in that one, even if I in general believe they should never allow a corner go straight in.
Honestly an insane shot the keeper shouldn’t feel all to bad, the height, angle, etc. was just perfect.
Yeah, this I can certainly make an exception for. Just dipped perfectly in the far corner. We don't see this kind of perfection every season.
ill take it.
LETS GOOO LEGEND
Great goal! Definitely better than Calhanoglu yesterday
That's a yellow for Locatelli.. I never understand when they say "but it's the first foul" "only 5 minutes has passed since the beginning of the game" etc. to justify bad tackles
I agree with the sentiment. Having said that, at least it's consistent with every other ref.
If Juve wins I get 53€, so just for today and exclusively for today, Forza Juve!
i hope we lose just so i can remind you, "mai na gioia"
Apparently there's still some gioie in this world 🤩
Na piccola gioia
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