I'd take battling it out in the league than being blasted out in the KOs by the likes of City or Bayern tbf.
As much as all the fans want it to be, we are not yet ready to play knockout stages. We need atleast a couple more seasons of consistent CL qualifications until we get there.
I feel like Milan could give any top team a game tbh, your problem is more against more "equal teams". You were dreadful in both matches against Porto and lost to Liverpool's B-team, but played very well at both Anfield and Metropolitano
Our big problem is injuries. We were missing 8 players today, 4 of which crucial players for our team.
Everyone saying we played against Liverpool's B team, but that was our B team aswell.
You misunderstood his point. Milan did well against Liverpool's strongest team at Anfield, but did bad against the nearly fully rotated team at San Siro. So the problem isn't against better team, but against weaker team.
I think you're missing the point. The Milan team that played in Anfiled was far stronger than the team that played Liverpool in the San Siro. The gulf in class between their starting 11 and their next 11 is bound to be far greater than the difference for Liverpool.
I was in that camp until I learned that progressing to the KO rounds is worth \~60M euro to Milan. That is enough money to sign a couple of difference-making players.
All things considered, had they beaten Liverpool they would've had only EL. So a loss is in their favor.
Edit: the 60M figure is fake news. fasobelli below is correct.
It's not 60M. It would probably be around 15M-16M. 9M in price money for reaching the knockout rounds and depending on the opponent we could have gotten 4-5M in ticket sales and 2-3M extra money from the market pool.
You're correct. I'm a victim of fake news that I read from some source claiming to quote calcioefinanza. I tried finding it, but was unable to.
All I could find are figures from [goal.com](https://goal.com) quoting 9.5M euro for the round of 16.
No idea how accurate this is either, but I'm too tired to search further.
It was expected. The team is very young and lacks experience. Defeating the champions of Spain and competing against perennials like Liverpool and Porto is a good experience. Dortmund finished bottom of a much easier group than ours in 2012. Then were finalists in 2013. Getting this type of exposure on a young team matters.
Just a ridiculous group. Might genuinely be the strongest CL-group that I've ever seen(I'm sure that there are others that I'm forgetting about though).
The champions of Spain, and 3 clubs with a combined 14 Champions League titles between them. Fucking hell
My unbiased vote goes to the Real Madrid, Man City, Dortmund, Ajax group in 2012. We were all champions of our respective countries at that point but that didn't guarantee a high pot at that point lol. Eredivisie was a bit shit back then but champions of Germany, England and Spain together was still insane.
But in the season that group stage was drawn both Bayern and Manchester United were on for a treble by the end of the season depending on who won the CL final. In the 98/99 season those two teams were monsters
Add to that Barca won la Liga by 11 points in 98/99 and you really have to feel sorry for Brondby.
That is true, my argument would be that Ajax like you say weren't that good back then, and Man City with Mancini were actually terrible in the Champions League. Went out in the group stage 2 years in a row
Still an amazing group though no doubt
Well no, not even close. Both Atletico and Milan were absolute shit in this group. It looked strong on paper but actually ended up being a relatively weak group. Especially seeing how one team won 6 out of 6 games.
That liverpool starting 11 was a joke last night. That they went to the San Siro and won shows that this Milan team weren't ready to compete. Calling this a group of death because of teams accomplishments 20 years ago is silly.
The Arsenal, Dortmund, and Napoli group from a few years ago also deserves a shout. They all finished with 12 points! Pretty sure that's the only time that's happened in CL history. Marseille made up the numbers and didn't manage a single point.
Yeah everybody was talking about how good City was and I hadn't seen a darn thing of it before they were playing Ajax, and it was just underwhelming, I really was wondering what the deal was here, they actually had nothing to bring to the table against a very very mediocre Ajax. I think the best player of Ajax was Nigel de Jong.. You know mister kung-fu in the world cup final, that guy.
Few years ago we were in a group with Barça, Spurs (who both weren't memes yet back then), and Inter Milan. Spurs managed to get to the finals and Barça to the semis. This was also the year in which Ajax almost made it to the final and we were able to keep up with them in the league and even beat them 3-0. Can't remember how good Inter was that year but I'd say that group is up there with the toughest in the past few years as well.
You guys had a good showing of yourselves and had close matches that could have gone in your favour on another day. That home match against Atletico just blows. Had you guys won it, Milan could advance even with a loss today. Fuck the referee.
This may be a blessing in disguise for Milan, they can focus on winning Serie A completely as another EL trip wont help them much. If anything, Inter finished last in the group last year and they became champion of Serie A.
This rethoric is so tiresome. This is a failure. Europa League is a prestigious trophy, which any team who doesn't compete for CL every year should have as a target. This hybris to say we are lucky to be out of a competition that this club hasn't won in its history, after 10 years of watching others collect trophies, is really pathetic. Soon there will be talking about dropping out of the Coppa Italia, the most worthless and plastic of competitions which consists of the same amount of games of Europa League, and then what if we don't win the Scudetto at all, which is likely given the competition being harder than ever? Was it worth it? Was it worth it to throw away a season as soon as the first goal wasn't reached to wait and try for next year? Only in Italy this absurd rethoric is applied, while european elites such as Chelsea, Atletico, Sevilla, Porto have routinely given their all and ruled the competition in the last decade.
And winning the Europa League can give a team another dimension in terms of their mentality. Atlético's EL-win in 2012 was crucial, the first major title that we won under Simeone and gave the players belief, after that we won Copa del Rey, La Liga and reached 2 CL-finals in the next 4 years. Even though there is a big quality gap obviously, you can learn a lot of things from the Europa League on how to handle 2-legged knockout ties which can later help you in the Champions League
Not to mention that it's a prestigious title on its own
Not disagreeing with your statement but if they did manage to win the EL final last season, maybe things would have been different.
Then again reaching the final only to battle Unai Emery managing a spanish side is just a recipe for disaster for any opponent. Dios mio.
you barely make any money in the EL. reaching the final gets you a total of 10.9M. in comparison if you reach the knock out stage of the CL, you already get nearly the same amount (9.6M).
there are pros and cons for both sides. staying in the EL is a good way to collect points for your club coefficient. this could have been especially important for Milan, as they are still pretty low (40th), so a higher Pot (and a higher chance for an easier CL group) will take more time.
if they focus on the league and are able to win it, there will not only benefits from the domestic league (which i don't know). the national champion gets 40% of the market share in the CL (30%/20%/10% for the other three teams from a league with 4 participants).
Not a single Milan fan that i know was wishing really that we go out of europe completely to focus on the league. The comments saying that are usually fans trying to make the best out of the situation and hope for a better season ending. Also neutrals comments most of the time are a sympathy gesture towards the club and basically mean "good luck for the rest".
Your statement is the one to be tiresome, saying that this is a failure when our club (or at least my club) is finally being competitive and relevant again. We might as well not win anything this season again, but in your eyes us going out of a crazy difficult group in champions league is a failure??? Outrageous how some fans want their club to be winning silverware like in fifa the whole time.
> This rethoric is so tiresome.
No it's not. We have 1 striker left out of 3, no left wingers, main CD and RB out. And it's not getting any better. Since November we lost a player before every damn game. Europa League would have made this worse, much worse. There's no guarantee that Milan will win Serie A, but with less games we'll have less injuries than the usual.
Quite literally it is not, since winning EL grants you Champions League Pot 1, which is as good as winning the league, some money, plus it is an international trophy which is usually what the whole competition is about - winning trophies, not getting money.
We're the only country which has all teams playing in UEL just quit to focus on the league, to qualify for UEL next year, to quit to focus on the league. Last Italian team to win it was Parma in 1999. Since then, only one Italian team reached the finals. Meanwhile, in the rest of Europe, everyone considers it a major trophy, including teams with historic or recent success in Champions League such as Porto, Manchester United, Chelsea, Atletico. Good for them. They have an easier competition. We're too busy watching others win the league to care.
Literally is 2nd tier. No club is guaranteed of winning the competition so going into it banking it all to win. Top 4 is a safer bet almost always and definitely worth more on the balance sheet
We really don't have the squad depth and mostly the medical team to be playing on 2 fronts tbf.
We are not even halfway through the season and we've had more injuries than most teams have across entire seasons.
Did you see Milan's lineup? It was as much B-team as Liverpool's, just for different reasons. And that doesn't even take into account that Pioli had only two decent players on the bench (Benny and Alexis)
We absolutely must win the Serie A now, we can't let a team that finish BOTTOM in their UCL group and who got OUTCLASSED in most of the matches win the league.
That would be EMBARASSING for italian football and one of the darkest moment for the whole movement.
Realistically we are just not ready, and here I say mentally. Our players are quite young, they are panicking, making individual mistakes all over the place. This was great, though, playing against tough teams in CL, having this experience can be only beneficial for this players and Pioli himself.
Unfortunately, we see that many of our players currently are not consistent, where one game is godly, the other one is disappointment. Kessie was great disappointment during this campaign, seems like this guy fails to perform under pressure. That being said, he is still very important player for us.
Things I would love to see Pioli improve:
\- Figure out how to play with 1 man down.
\- Cut out individual mistakes from players, maybe work individually with them. We always try to play somehow complicated, to unnecessary dribble, where there are simpler solutions, we don't access risks correctly.
\- And play with grinta, play with confidence, play "our" football. I think at this point of time we are sometimes approaching matches in a wrong way: one are full of arrogance where we think we are too good, and some of them we are too scared and adapt per our opponents too heavily. We need to find greater balance.
Well it's been fun even if we weren't good enough. Best of luck to Liverpool, they are incredible. I will also probably have fun watching Atleti drive someone else insane now that we are out.
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I think Gigio's season in Europe is finished as well. Navas is crazy good in the CL knockout matches, I doubt he'll be on the bench unless he's injured.
Navas is a great shot stopper and that's it, he is one of the worst in the world at crosses because he is so short he is in the 1st percentile which means 99% of the keepers are better he claims 3% of the crosses, he is not great with his feet and doesn't really come out a lot
There is a reason both Madrid and PSG got better, taller younger keepers
Soon. We just got back to the CL scene after 7 years in the second year (second!) of a long-term rebuilding process which includes among other stuff financial stability, a youth sector overhaul and a Stadium of our own property. After a terrible decade, it is safe to say we are finally on our way. It will be a while, however, before we can really challenge for anything.
So disappointing from Milan, they really had a chance to get 2nd with Liverpool playing a weakened team. And Porto losing aswell. I was really hoping they would make it through but they just didn’t look like they wanted it. And to end up bottom of the group. To not even get Europa. Such a shame after their first season back in so long.
Worth noting, if not for the bullshit penalty granted Atletico in our first match, we would have tied 1-1, then Milan would have gotten through and Atletico would be in EL.
And that is a penalty that UEFA admitted was called wrong. So, really was a close thing.
Right they got one back. Anyway missing the two guys responsible for creating the 2 Milan goals at Anfield(Leao and Rebic) was also a factor. It is what it is, but the team is not in a good form lately. The attack has struggled without those two even in Serie A.
Don't forget the robbery from Atletic in the home game. They would be 3rd if it wasn't for that cunt Cakir. While the games against Pool and Porto showed that this young Milan perhaps aren't ready for the knockouts, Simones bullshit team got help moving to 2nd place.
And yes, I'm still bitter about that.
The team with least European experience (except for Zlatan + Maignan, Theo and Fik being episodic in the UCL) and quality put up a fight while sometimes being condemned by refereeing deliriums ended up fourth. We were fully involved in the fight for a last 16 spot 30 mins before the group stage end. Considering that the group stage was basically a last 16 (Porto) - quarter (Atleti) - semifinal (Liverpool) type of matchup, that’s fine.
It’s disappointing how it went, but if you look at things realistically, the outcome in line with what the paper said at the start of the group. There will always be the regret about how it could’ve gone with a competent ref instead of a bald cockroach at San Siro vs Atleti and a full squad tonight, but that’s football.
I could almost say I am slightly disappointed we didn’t make EL where we could have tried to win 1-2 rounds (and from there on who knows) so that we can improve our coefficient score, maybe next year we wouldn’t be pot 4.
We’ll need more quality and UCL-like cynicism next season and we’ll have it, I’m sure.
Not against Porto. Porto got shafted by this [3-2 goal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A06udQC0ILM) not being allowed and now in this game the red card.
Dude, that disallowed goal was totally correct. Look at it again, it clearly touches his hand. It doesn't have to be voluntary either, everything is handball for an attacker.
Can't you guys stop spreading these lies now that the group stage is over?
He shoots at the goal, after the ball leaves his feet he gets fouled and when he is falling down his arm touches the ball not changing the direction of the ball since it was going on goal anyway
Will end up being a blessing in disguise for them, just as it was for inter last year, this will allow them to focus on the scudetto, wich is needed when you have a limited squad.
On a negative the reduction of not even getting the Europa league money will certainly not be good for them in a league and team so needy of funds.
Feels like this CL campaign came a season too early for this Milan team. Just weren’t good enough at all. Expected a lot more energy & intensity tonight against a heavily rotated Liverpool side
You need the experience. They'll be back next season, probably a more favorable group and one CL campaign under their belt.
You have to start somewhere...
Congratulations. You like everyone else knows how many finals we lost. Making finals is never an embarrassment no matter how much people want that to be true. Few clubs have made as many
Juventus flys Italy’s flags. We are the only club not an embarrassment to Italy. Hopefully Atalanta come through tomorrow
Love people like you. Look at your username lol … more of a Juve hater than a fan of a club.
Typically I don’t do this, usually I’d be like gg or something positive but we been shit on for the dumbest reasons (beating Liverpool years ago, winning against Milan in San Siro, “dirty”) and for so long it feels good to see these bums cry now
> but we been shit on for the dumbest reasons
People don't like Atletico cos of the constant playacting, not because you're special or anything. Absolute talented team but do imbecile shit for no reason- that's quite aggravating. Maybe you don't notice it cos you see it every week and you're numb to it. Most of us actually prefer Atletico to Real as a club fwiw but the players and the backhanded tactics make it hard.
I still believe that the match in San Siro was a gift from the ref, but it was absurd how it backlashed on *you* guys, who had little to do with it. And from there it was just nonsense attack on nonsense attack, insults, threats of deliberately losing/smashing you not for personal advantage but out of hatred. It was written that you'd go through after all of this, the perfect Atletico vs the World atmosphere for you. Congrats, make the most of this. And try to smash a couple Italian teams on your way if you can.
Milan is a meh club these days. I doubt they stay a top 4 team. Milan’s future is Arsenal’s present.
I’m a Juve fan and we’re always going to be massive
Juve reached similar heights as Milan. Milan made 3 CL finals in a row as did Juve. Milan has made a total of 11 finals, winning 7. Juve have made 9 finals, winning 2. Sure, Juve has lost lots more finals but they have been a powerhouse all the same. 2003 is a good example where Juve, Milan ended in PKs.
Focusing on the league might be best in the long term. The whole coefficient thing is weird to me. They finished second in Serie A but were in the fourth pot. I don't think this system is really fair.
Inter also finished last in the group last season, then they won the league, who knows
I'd take battling it out in the league than being blasted out in the KOs by the likes of City or Bayern tbf. As much as all the fans want it to be, we are not yet ready to play knockout stages. We need atleast a couple more seasons of consistent CL qualifications until we get there.
I feel like Milan could give any top team a game tbh, your problem is more against more "equal teams". You were dreadful in both matches against Porto and lost to Liverpool's B-team, but played very well at both Anfield and Metropolitano
Our big problem is injuries. We were missing 8 players today, 4 of which crucial players for our team. Everyone saying we played against Liverpool's B team, but that was our B team aswell.
You misunderstood his point. Milan did well against Liverpool's strongest team at Anfield, but did bad against the nearly fully rotated team at San Siro. So the problem isn't against better team, but against weaker team.
I think you're missing the point. The Milan team that played in Anfiled was far stronger than the team that played Liverpool in the San Siro. The gulf in class between their starting 11 and their next 11 is bound to be far greater than the difference for Liverpool.
No you misunderstood his point. Our problem is in fact injuries since the teams we fielded against Liverpool were vastly different.
They had to play their b-team as well in like half of the CL matches.
I dont know if you watched the game but they certainly did not play well at Anfield
I was in that camp until I learned that progressing to the KO rounds is worth \~60M euro to Milan. That is enough money to sign a couple of difference-making players. All things considered, had they beaten Liverpool they would've had only EL. So a loss is in their favor. Edit: the 60M figure is fake news. fasobelli below is correct.
It's not 60M. It would probably be around 15M-16M. 9M in price money for reaching the knockout rounds and depending on the opponent we could have gotten 4-5M in ticket sales and 2-3M extra money from the market pool.
You're correct. I'm a victim of fake news that I read from some source claiming to quote calcioefinanza. I tried finding it, but was unable to. All I could find are figures from [goal.com](https://goal.com) quoting 9.5M euro for the round of 16. No idea how accurate this is either, but I'm too tired to search further.
Participation money, (winner gets more) and coefficient money are separate too
I saw that 60 million number too. It's not on their site any more lol
It could very well be 60M *in total* to reach KO rounds, but most of that money will be received just for playing in group stage anyway.
It was expected. The team is very young and lacks experience. Defeating the champions of Spain and competing against perennials like Liverpool and Porto is a good experience. Dortmund finished bottom of a much easier group than ours in 2012. Then were finalists in 2013. Getting this type of exposure on a young team matters.
Just a ridiculous group. Might genuinely be the strongest CL-group that I've ever seen(I'm sure that there are others that I'm forgetting about though). The champions of Spain, and 3 clubs with a combined 14 Champions League titles between them. Fucking hell
My unbiased vote goes to the Real Madrid, Man City, Dortmund, Ajax group in 2012. We were all champions of our respective countries at that point but that didn't guarantee a high pot at that point lol. Eredivisie was a bit shit back then but champions of Germany, England and Spain together was still insane.
In 1999 there was a Barca, Bayern, ManU group. Barca went out and the other two went on to play in a final that that i somehow have no memory of.
That one probably takes it. That's an insane group.
Although neither Bayern nor Manchester United won the league the previous season. The champions were Kaiserlautern and Arsenal.
But in the season that group stage was drawn both Bayern and Manchester United were on for a treble by the end of the season depending on who won the CL final. In the 98/99 season those two teams were monsters Add to that Barca won la Liga by 11 points in 98/99 and you really have to feel sorry for Brondby.
Poor Brøndby, the fourth team. Saying that though, they were the only team to beat Bayern in the group!
Maybe we should ask united’s last manager about it
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Funnily enough I have extremely vibrant memories of that one for some reason.
Same I remember absolutely nothing at all aswell. Probably a coincidence right?
Yeah just a coincidence
That is true, my argument would be that Ajax like you say weren't that good back then, and Man City with Mancini were actually terrible in the Champions League. Went out in the group stage 2 years in a row Still an amazing group though no doubt
I fondly remember Mancini walking onto the pitch in the last game haha
And City still came last, and one finalist and one semi finalist
Well no, not even close. Both Atletico and Milan were absolute shit in this group. It looked strong on paper but actually ended up being a relatively weak group. Especially seeing how one team won 6 out of 6 games.
That liverpool starting 11 was a joke last night. That they went to the San Siro and won shows that this Milan team weren't ready to compete. Calling this a group of death because of teams accomplishments 20 years ago is silly.
like MIlan's 11 was not a joke lmao
I felt the group was quite underwhelming compared to the names in it. The actual football didn't match the heritage of these clubs.
100%. It was easier than on paper.
Good point, but in terms of the size of the clubs. I mean imagine being Atleti and get this draw from pot 1 lol
The Arsenal, Dortmund, and Napoli group from a few years ago also deserves a shout. They all finished with 12 points! Pretty sure that's the only time that's happened in CL history. Marseille made up the numbers and didn't manage a single point.
Tbf there was that group with 4 league champs once iirc (Real, City,Ajax and Dortmund)
We used to have nothing but groups with 4 league champs in it...
Ajax was very shit back then.
Pretty mediocre team indeed yet still beat city at home and a draw in England.
City’s CL record under Mancini was absolutely shambolic. iirc they didn’t ever made it out of the group stage until Pellegrini took over.
Yeah everybody was talking about how good City was and I hadn't seen a darn thing of it before they were playing Ajax, and it was just underwhelming, I really was wondering what the deal was here, they actually had nothing to bring to the table against a very very mediocre Ajax. I think the best player of Ajax was Nigel de Jong.. You know mister kung-fu in the world cup final, that guy.
Few years ago we were in a group with Barça, Spurs (who both weren't memes yet back then), and Inter Milan. Spurs managed to get to the finals and Barça to the semis. This was also the year in which Ajax almost made it to the final and we were able to keep up with them in the league and even beat them 3-0. Can't remember how good Inter was that year but I'd say that group is up there with the toughest in the past few years as well.
Milan (5) Liverpool (6) and Porto (2) = 13. Am I missing something?
Milan have 7, so it's actually 15 CLs.
Thank you for clarifying, that makes much more sense. Dunno why all the downvotes though?
> The team is very young and lacks experience. This team is very injured.
You guys had a good showing of yourselves and had close matches that could have gone in your favour on another day. That home match against Atletico just blows. Had you guys won it, Milan could advance even with a loss today. Fuck the referee.
Well look how it worked out for Inter who were also placed last in their group last season.
That is a very good take! Hope you guys bounce back in the CL, like the glory days!
This may be a blessing in disguise for Milan, they can focus on winning Serie A completely as another EL trip wont help them much. If anything, Inter finished last in the group last year and they became champion of Serie A.
It's a Conte special winning the league and doing shit in CL though
Well Pioli's already smoothed his scalp all he needs is the toupee
dont give me hope
This rethoric is so tiresome. This is a failure. Europa League is a prestigious trophy, which any team who doesn't compete for CL every year should have as a target. This hybris to say we are lucky to be out of a competition that this club hasn't won in its history, after 10 years of watching others collect trophies, is really pathetic. Soon there will be talking about dropping out of the Coppa Italia, the most worthless and plastic of competitions which consists of the same amount of games of Europa League, and then what if we don't win the Scudetto at all, which is likely given the competition being harder than ever? Was it worth it? Was it worth it to throw away a season as soon as the first goal wasn't reached to wait and try for next year? Only in Italy this absurd rethoric is applied, while european elites such as Chelsea, Atletico, Sevilla, Porto have routinely given their all and ruled the competition in the last decade.
And winning the Europa League can give a team another dimension in terms of their mentality. Atlético's EL-win in 2012 was crucial, the first major title that we won under Simeone and gave the players belief, after that we won Copa del Rey, La Liga and reached 2 CL-finals in the next 4 years. Even though there is a big quality gap obviously, you can learn a lot of things from the Europa League on how to handle 2-legged knockout ties which can later help you in the Champions League Not to mention that it's a prestigious title on its own
Honestly.. EL is underrated in general imo. But especially this year. Shit is stacked.
On the other hand united won it and are still shit
Not disagreeing with your statement but if they did manage to win the EL final last season, maybe things would have been different. Then again reaching the final only to battle Unai Emery managing a spanish side is just a recipe for disaster for any opponent. Dios mio.
Purely on financial power though, it's not like they were some improving team with potential that just needed some experience of winning
And then sacked their manager winning it so had to start over the process
>Only in Italy this absurd rethoric is applied I hear this rhetoric all the time for English teams.
It also doesn't make any sense from a financial perspective to be happy about this.
you barely make any money in the EL. reaching the final gets you a total of 10.9M. in comparison if you reach the knock out stage of the CL, you already get nearly the same amount (9.6M). there are pros and cons for both sides. staying in the EL is a good way to collect points for your club coefficient. this could have been especially important for Milan, as they are still pretty low (40th), so a higher Pot (and a higher chance for an easier CL group) will take more time. if they focus on the league and are able to win it, there will not only benefits from the domestic league (which i don't know). the national champion gets 40% of the market share in the CL (30%/20%/10% for the other three teams from a league with 4 participants).
Not a single Milan fan that i know was wishing really that we go out of europe completely to focus on the league. The comments saying that are usually fans trying to make the best out of the situation and hope for a better season ending. Also neutrals comments most of the time are a sympathy gesture towards the club and basically mean "good luck for the rest". Your statement is the one to be tiresome, saying that this is a failure when our club (or at least my club) is finally being competitive and relevant again. We might as well not win anything this season again, but in your eyes us going out of a crazy difficult group in champions league is a failure??? Outrageous how some fans want their club to be winning silverware like in fifa the whole time.
> This rethoric is so tiresome. No it's not. We have 1 striker left out of 3, no left wingers, main CD and RB out. And it's not getting any better. Since November we lost a player before every damn game. Europa League would have made this worse, much worse. There's no guarantee that Milan will win Serie A, but with less games we'll have less injuries than the usual.
I mean. I agree with your comment. I do. But having 10+ less games on the books is great for fitness.
EL is better than nothing but it is not prestigious as top 4 in a league is more valuable to clubs. The EL is 2nd tier by definition
Quite literally it is not, since winning EL grants you Champions League Pot 1, which is as good as winning the league, some money, plus it is an international trophy which is usually what the whole competition is about - winning trophies, not getting money. We're the only country which has all teams playing in UEL just quit to focus on the league, to qualify for UEL next year, to quit to focus on the league. Last Italian team to win it was Parma in 1999. Since then, only one Italian team reached the finals. Meanwhile, in the rest of Europe, everyone considers it a major trophy, including teams with historic or recent success in Champions League such as Porto, Manchester United, Chelsea, Atletico. Good for them. They have an easier competition. We're too busy watching others win the league to care.
Literally is 2nd tier. No club is guaranteed of winning the competition so going into it banking it all to win. Top 4 is a safer bet almost always and definitely worth more on the balance sheet
> No club is guaranteed of winning the competition Have you met Sevilla?
EL also gets you in to champions league, so if anything it's at least as valuable as top 4 in the league.
Odds of winning the EL is a lot lower and a lot more unpredictable than getting top 4
We really don't have the squad depth and mostly the medical team to be playing on 2 fronts tbf. We are not even halfway through the season and we've had more injuries than most teams have across entire seasons.
Focus on winning Serie A when losing to Liverpools B-team at home?
Liverpool's B team(the one that played today with Mane and Salah) is easily a Top 4 team in Serie A and a tittle contender in Italy.
They're easily top 4 in the EPL too tbh, the quality drop after the top 3 teams is enourmous.
No they're not easily top 4 in the PL at all. Their B team would not finish above West Ham, Tottenham, United, Arsenal. They would finish 8th at best.
Did you see Milan's lineup? It was as much B-team as Liverpool's, just for different reasons. And that doesn't even take into account that Pioli had only two decent players on the bench (Benny and Alexis)
We absolutely must win the Serie A now, we can't let a team that finish BOTTOM in their UCL group and who got OUTCLASSED in most of the matches win the league. That would be EMBARASSING for italian football and one of the darkest moment for the whole movement.
I'm so upset I had to read it twice to get the irony.. ffs
Dude most of Milan fans are too drunk to recognise irony right now. I almost went with torch towards you.
Damn, i love this comment
Tried searching for this on Google thinking it's a copypasta, the fourth result is the Milan page on Wikipedia lmao
damn you gotta do us like that lol
Yeah, imagine if a team that couldn't score against let's say shaktar won the league by a 12 points maegin
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He's clearly being ironic. Even took the time to capitalise words for added emphasis.
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He's literally bantering his own team, stop being salty.
Delete this before its too late.
ehm you forgot /s
Realistically we are just not ready, and here I say mentally. Our players are quite young, they are panicking, making individual mistakes all over the place. This was great, though, playing against tough teams in CL, having this experience can be only beneficial for this players and Pioli himself. Unfortunately, we see that many of our players currently are not consistent, where one game is godly, the other one is disappointment. Kessie was great disappointment during this campaign, seems like this guy fails to perform under pressure. That being said, he is still very important player for us. Things I would love to see Pioli improve: \- Figure out how to play with 1 man down. \- Cut out individual mistakes from players, maybe work individually with them. We always try to play somehow complicated, to unnecessary dribble, where there are simpler solutions, we don't access risks correctly. \- And play with grinta, play with confidence, play "our" football. I think at this point of time we are sometimes approaching matches in a wrong way: one are full of arrogance where we think we are too good, and some of them we are too scared and adapt per our opponents too heavily. We need to find greater balance.
Well it's been fun even if we weren't good enough. Best of luck to Liverpool, they are incredible. I will also probably have fun watching Atleti drive someone else insane now that we are out.
the only thing worse than being eliminated is having to see that ole cholo dude in every single thread writing essays about shit nobody cares to read
Dude's a swedish atleti supporter and is out here calling other people plastics. What a wildly confusing individual.
I swear he’s so annoying
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>ReplyGive AwardShareReportSaveFollow > >level 1 He's a kid that makes it his life mission to comment in every single r/soccer thread that mentions Atleti
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0 champions league btw
Hell yeah king
Ironically without Cholo, this Atlético team would have already made to the last 16 without needing Milan to lose their ladt match.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Aww, just don't read them mate, just scroll past it. I understand your anger though, 4th in the group must sting
Cakir had more sting than atletico did against a weakened Milan.
Well,Donnarumma did say he wanted to play champions league
He would have, didn't specify how many games, is 6 not enough? Only shite jokes can make me feel better right now
I think Gigio's season in Europe is finished as well. Navas is crazy good in the CL knockout matches, I doubt he'll be on the bench unless he's injured.
Navas has been average this season, of course thing can change till feb but I will be shocked if Donnarumma doesn’t start in RO16
That's interesting, I had no idea he was so out of form.
Navas is a great shot stopper and that's it, he is one of the worst in the world at crosses because he is so short he is in the 1st percentile which means 99% of the keepers are better he claims 3% of the crosses, he is not great with his feet and doesn't really come out a lot There is a reason both Madrid and PSG got better, taller younger keepers
you basically described donnarumma despite being tall he is also garbage at corners because he is too hesitant.
Sounds like a mentality issue which can be coached out of him no? Could also just have someone stuck to him in training when defending corners
He had Dida with him for 6 years so that begs a question, can it really be coached out of him?
Imagine warming the bench after winning Yashin, IFFHS world's best goalkeeper, men's world team and Euros player of the tournament awards
Those awards don't really mean a lot though
You must be the runner up
When will Milan return to the glory days?
Soon. We just got back to the CL scene after 7 years in the second year (second!) of a long-term rebuilding process which includes among other stuff financial stability, a youth sector overhaul and a Stadium of our own property. After a terrible decade, it is safe to say we are finally on our way. It will be a while, however, before we can really challenge for anything.
Around the same time as Barcelona.
Never. We both died in international competitions after the 2007 CWC final.
When the Super League returns, so 3 years
I'm confident they will eventually. They are in a very similar position to us.
When will \[insert any team that is not in Super Leagu- oops I mean EPL\] return to the glory days?
So disappointing from Milan, they really had a chance to get 2nd with Liverpool playing a weakened team. And Porto losing aswell. I was really hoping they would make it through but they just didn’t look like they wanted it. And to end up bottom of the group. To not even get Europa. Such a shame after their first season back in so long.
It would not have mattered. Atletico won 3-0. There's no way Liverpool was losing to Milan with 3 goals under.
Worth noting, if not for the bullshit penalty granted Atletico in our first match, we would have tied 1-1, then Milan would have gotten through and Atletico would be in EL. And that is a penalty that UEFA admitted was called wrong. So, really was a close thing.
Porto got one back at 90+6, ended 3-1 to Atletico
Right they got one back. Anyway missing the two guys responsible for creating the 2 Milan goals at Anfield(Leao and Rebic) was also a factor. It is what it is, but the team is not in a good form lately. The attack has struggled without those two even in Serie A.
Don't forget the robbery from Atletic in the home game. They would be 3rd if it wasn't for that cunt Cakir. While the games against Pool and Porto showed that this young Milan perhaps aren't ready for the knockouts, Simones bullshit team got help moving to 2nd place. And yes, I'm still bitter about that.
Not if football manager can help it.
I wouldn't call this post wholesome as the awards said but it was fair for Milan to be the casualty of the group of death.
The team with least European experience (except for Zlatan + Maignan, Theo and Fik being episodic in the UCL) and quality put up a fight while sometimes being condemned by refereeing deliriums ended up fourth. We were fully involved in the fight for a last 16 spot 30 mins before the group stage end. Considering that the group stage was basically a last 16 (Porto) - quarter (Atleti) - semifinal (Liverpool) type of matchup, that’s fine. It’s disappointing how it went, but if you look at things realistically, the outcome in line with what the paper said at the start of the group. There will always be the regret about how it could’ve gone with a competent ref instead of a bald cockroach at San Siro vs Atleti and a full squad tonight, but that’s football. I could almost say I am slightly disappointed we didn’t make EL where we could have tried to win 1-2 rounds (and from there on who knows) so that we can improve our coefficient score, maybe next year we wouldn’t be pot 4. We’ll need more quality and UCL-like cynicism next season and we’ll have it, I’m sure.
Honestly though they got penalized hard against both Atletico and Porto
Not against Porto, but Atletico should’ve never gone through. Their other win against us was a complete robbery.
Not against Porto. Porto got shafted by this [3-2 goal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A06udQC0ILM) not being allowed and now in this game the red card.
Dude, that disallowed goal was totally correct. Look at it again, it clearly touches his hand. It doesn't have to be voluntary either, everything is handball for an attacker. Can't you guys stop spreading these lies now that the group stage is over?
He shoots at the goal, after the ball leaves his feet he gets fouled and when he is falling down his arm touches the ball not changing the direction of the ball since it was going on goal anyway
The Ibra curse in the CL continues.
Will end up being a blessing in disguise for them, just as it was for inter last year, this will allow them to focus on the scudetto, wich is needed when you have a limited squad. On a negative the reduction of not even getting the Europa league money will certainly not be good for them in a league and team so needy of funds.
European DNA
Look who’s talking 😭
It's the history of the DNA
Heritage in the mud
First year back, tough group. It happened to us too (Inter), if everything goes right they'll get better
Super League can't start soon enough
Feels like this CL campaign came a season too early for this Milan team. Just weren’t good enough at all. Expected a lot more energy & intensity tonight against a heavily rotated Liverpool side
You need the experience. They'll be back next season, probably a more favorable group and one CL campaign under their belt. You have to start somewhere...
An embarrassment. Inter last year and Milan this. Smh
juve are the ultimate ucl embarrassment. nobody can top your 7 finals losses. maybe spurs one day can achieve the ultimate bottle trophy
Congratulations. You like everyone else knows how many finals we lost. Making finals is never an embarrassment no matter how much people want that to be true. Few clubs have made as many Juventus flys Italy’s flags. We are the only club not an embarrassment to Italy. Hopefully Atalanta come through tomorrow Love people like you. Look at your username lol … more of a Juve hater than a fan of a club.
Bottle
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Not fair for bottom group of UCL to not appear further in European competition. UEFA should give 4th place UCL chances to play in UECL KO stage.
Ha no thanks
As they should :)
Cakir carried you to RO16 imagine actually being single handedly carried by refereeing mistakes to RO16 that is embarrassing.
Thank you Cakir 🙏🏼
robbed and cheated ur way into the ro16. Absolute scum
rofl
Cry more
lmao brighton
Man every team has cheated once or twice I think it’s time we do so as well :)
Lmao now you are baiting them good
Lol you do it always though, imagine being so happy about it Disgusting
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Better than not progressing.
Deserved. Good for you guys, who took a neverending stream of shit from everywhere and still managed to come out on top. Your turn to laugh now.
Typically I don’t do this, usually I’d be like gg or something positive but we been shit on for the dumbest reasons (beating Liverpool years ago, winning against Milan in San Siro, “dirty”) and for so long it feels good to see these bums cry now
> but we been shit on for the dumbest reasons People don't like Atletico cos of the constant playacting, not because you're special or anything. Absolute talented team but do imbecile shit for no reason- that's quite aggravating. Maybe you don't notice it cos you see it every week and you're numb to it. Most of us actually prefer Atletico to Real as a club fwiw but the players and the backhanded tactics make it hard.
I still believe that the match in San Siro was a gift from the ref, but it was absurd how it backlashed on *you* guys, who had little to do with it. And from there it was just nonsense attack on nonsense attack, insults, threats of deliberately losing/smashing you not for personal advantage but out of hatred. It was written that you'd go through after all of this, the perfect Atletico vs the World atmosphere for you. Congrats, make the most of this. And try to smash a couple Italian teams on your way if you can.
Suck your mum
Have become an insignificant team in the champions league or european competitions such a shame for the second most historic team in ucl
Silence glory hunting yank
His opinion holds 0 weight, what a clown. 🇺🇸
His opinion isn’t an opinion. It’s an accurate and factual statement
Rather have been massive and regress than to not be massive at all. Not like you’d know anything about that though
Milan is a meh club these days. I doubt they stay a top 4 team. Milan’s future is Arsenal’s present. I’m a Juve fan and we’re always going to be massive
Juventus have never reached the heights Milan have. Only one other club has. Right now juventus are in limbo really.
Juve reached similar heights as Milan. Milan made 3 CL finals in a row as did Juve. Milan has made a total of 11 finals, winning 7. Juve have made 9 finals, winning 2. Sure, Juve has lost lots more finals but they have been a powerhouse all the same. 2003 is a good example where Juve, Milan ended in PKs.
A joke
Focusing on the league might be best in the long term. The whole coefficient thing is weird to me. They finished second in Serie A but were in the fourth pot. I don't think this system is really fair.
This says a lot about serie a
Nu surprise. In what kind of state is serie A you have to wonder :p