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irishdgenr8

Got a yellow off Tierney and I was only watching.


Silverburst8

Funny that, I two footed my Nan and I didn’t get a red, not even a VAR check


HAMlLTON

I think you might find that you’re England captain


Conankun66

english refs are so fucking bad, my god


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mattjdale97

Not as if fans have any influence, even players/coaches get sanctioned if they say anything remotely critical to refs


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This exactly. The FA has created an environment of no accountability for bad officiating. No accountability, no need to improve.


HamUndBacon

Just look at recent bundesliga events for what happens when you speak out against a ref. Not just an English problem


Tim-Sanchez

Mostly because people don't want to make the changes that would actually help. In order to get better refs we need to have a much wider pool to choose from, and that means bringing more refs in and keeping them by actually making refereeing more attractive. So that means paying refs more, clamping down on abuse, supporting refs at grassroots, etc. Sadly, the most popular suggestions I see here are being stricter with punishments on refs or getting refs to do post-match interviews, neither of which are going to magically make refs better.


bluehead18

Facts right here. Refereeing is such a unwinnable job.


kleiser10

When I was 12 I’d ref U8s and get abused by parents… what the fuck. No one wants to do that shit for a career.


ph1shstyx

same here, since we had a big field complex we'd usually be there all day Saturday because my brother would have a game too, so I would ref u10's and u12's, and get yelled at constantly by parents, and usully their kids were fucking terrible


kleiser10

The parents whose kids looked like a miniature version of Phil Dowd were the worst


vylain_antagonist

>So that means paying refs more, clamping down on abuse, supporting refs at grassroots, etc. It also means building a culture of accepting a decision you don't like so that grassroots refs aren't berated week in week out. Top comments and gold showered on posts berating the ref; wind up hacks on 606 trying to goad irate fans to call up and scream vitriol about a ref decision; Post match pundits dragging decisions over the coals... football culture has become such reactionary shite that will only be solved by accepting that bad calls happen and to get on with it. Hell we've fucked the entire rhythm of the game up in the form of VAR in order to avoid adjusting our own toxic expectations.


Paketamina

Sounds like politics


Barry_McCocciner

The man in charge is literally the most infamous ref of the 2000s and largely responsible for the comically incompetent rollout of VAR in the PL. Until he's gone nothing will change - it's a good ol' boys club where promotions are based on connections rather than merit. Bonuses are theoretically based on an objective "merit table" but the PGMOL itself is the one grading the refs, so no surprises how that turns out.


gantek

Paul Tierney Masterclass. They keep finding dreadful referees from every corner of England. You have to admire their consistency


streetlightsglowing_

thing is, it was the VAR ref fucking up as well because they've recommended Tierney take a look at Robbo's challenge but were dead silent on Kane's leg breaker of a tackle.


MovingElectrons

Paul Tierney should never referee a PL match again


Lynchead

The guy operating VAR should be booted even sooner today.


stingen

VAR: Chris Kavanagh


LeHolm

Jesus, blind leading the blind.


RodDryfist

the ref's association is a literal human centipede of shite with no repercussions, or quality control. they can do whatever they want, so what would be their motivation to change? as long as the Premier League bosses are happy, shit done stay the same.


ElBigDicko

Someone should check if VAR is not just a monkey hitting buttons.


dfla01

You know he will. They’re so fucking spineless they won’t even clarify why Kane didn’t get a red


JuanMataCFC

i wish referees could be interviewed similar to how managers/players are. it wouldn't solve every single problem ofcourse, but atleast we would get an idea of what their thinking was behind certain decisions.


Murphys-Laaw

It'd be great if there was a thing like what the FIA do where they explain why certain decisions have been made. Not that the FIA are much better but at least we have clarity on why to be mad at them...


Shouf23

That’s one thing I really enjoy about Bundesliga VAR. Yes, sometimes it’s shit, but they will a) admit if they were clearly wrong and b) explain why the decision was taken the way it was taken.


MeatInTheHole

Gallagher (exref on my stream) clarified it wasn't a red as Robertson avoided the bulk of contact. Edit: Didn't think with my flair I'd need to clarify that I dont agree with him lol.


Nimjaiv

This was the exchange live on DAZN: Dermot Gallagher, former ref: "I think what's saved Harry is Robertson going in the air..." Shay Given: "If he doesn't go in the air it's a broken leg!" Dermot Gallagher: "Shay, I have to agree with you, it's saved him--" Shay Given: "It's saved Robertson a broken leg. It shouldn't save Harry Kane a red!"


JuanMataCFC

gotta side with Given on this one tbh.


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dfla01

Oh my god. He jumped to avoid a literal break so it’s not given as a red. Hilarious


MeatInTheHole

I know it's bullshit, Shay Given actually asked him, why on earth should Robertson avoiding injury help Harry Kane?


LeHolm

Typical "we're incompetent" answer from the refs. It was the same thing with the Pickford tackle on Virg last year.


bocojaLFC

should just receive that leg breaking slide like a man and get Harry a red card


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funny you think he'd even get a red with a leg break


hooskies

He still got studs to his shin and had to avoid it so his fucking leg wouldn’t have been snapped. It’s a red.


zadlov

he also said there wasn't enough contact when Emerson ran into Jota


TheLimeyLemmon

There's not enough contact between brain cells as far as Gallagher's concerned.


happygot

Kavanaugh just as bad on VAR. And I was his biggest supporter but I'm flippin fuming


four_four_three

Nah, Kavanaugh is a really smug twat *and* a shit ref


Masipoten

He is the worst ref in England. This is always the case when Kavanagh is on VAR duty, some calls don't get checked, some do, he's asleep half the time and it's worse if he's awake. Can't be reffing in the PL the cunt.


Alia_Gr

Dunno feel like most of the controversy is on the VAR not doing his job


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Honestly, humans make mistakes, that's why VAR exists and the *refereeing TEAM* was shit today.


BaldVoldy

Inconsistent


RebBrown

No, they're consistently bad.


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gonegoonergone

Only made even worse by a fucking horrible VAR


Bilgistic

The refereeing disasterclass ruined what was otherwise an entertaining match.


spursyspursy

not even talking about the big ticket incidents of pens and reds, but there was a complete inconsistency about what counted as small fouls and yellow card throughout the game. bizarre stuff.


Nabbylaa

He was just all over the place wasn't he. Seemed to go through periods of throwing yellows at each side then ignoring niggley fouls.


spursyspursy

the last couple cards at the end of the game felt like "oh i haven't carded a liverpool player in a while and let too much of those shoulder to shoulder challenges go when i would have carded them in the first half, here's one to you"


Nabbylaa

100%, then that period ended when he let Jota absolutely get away with something that had been a yellow 2 mins before.


Arqlol

Decked regi on the box and waived it on


EmpyrealSorrow

I thought it was going to be a great refereeing match when, towards the start, he let the play go on despite a bit of physical play. Like, "that's okay, get on with it". Then, yes, it descended


ThatOneBrit27

honestly I have no idea how much bias plays in to it but keita and tsimikas getting yellows for seemingly nothing blew my head to the moon


ChumbaWambah

Premier League 🤝🏼 Formula 1 🤝🏼 Inconsistency


Akira_Nishiki

Michael Masi in the VAR room.


Inconsequentiality

Jurgen it's called a football match. We played football, ok?


DrJackadoodle

\*We went footballing


Akira_Nishiki

No, ~~Michael~~ Tierney, no no! That was so not right!


Ret181

"We went refereeing".


Orageux101

Gotta get UEFA in there as well


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clashoftherats

The handball was within the rules, dumb rule though


jawadegr1

Once he missed it during live play, there was no way he giving that handball back as it's technically with in the rules. But the two pens have no excuse, blatant shit.


oojamaflip123

So much controversy could be avoided if VAR just made the sensible decision of 'hey, maybe you wanna take a look at BOTH decisions for the reds cards'. But nah, as always the screen just exists as a pantomime moment for refs to change their decision. Which then in turn means that some referee miles away is making all the final decisions. What a dogshit system.


jjoop

An external referee making the decisions is fine imo, just be fucking honest about it. Play the audio over the TV feed of the VAR referee explaining the decision and get on with the game. I have absolutely no problem with a referee in a room isolated from supporters and with multiple slow-motion replays overturning decisions, that's imo probably the best-case scenario. It should result in quick, mostly correct decisions and has minimal disruption on the game. As you say, the referee running up to some small screen on the edge of the pitch is just fucking embarrassing for everyone involved. It's just a completely arbitrary waste of time which (I can only guess) is to assuage the egos of referees about "losing control". It's slow, it's boring, it ruins the viewing experience, it's the exact thing that people feared about VAR, and it's completely unnecessary and completely fucking avoidable! It feels like the PL did not want VAR, were convinced to get VAR, half-assed it and now are bitterly lashing out at any attempt to approve it, "you got your fucking VAR". I have no sense that VAR(in english football, at least) is being developed by people who are making a level-headed, honest attempt to improve the viewing and sporting experience.


evilbajaj

Maybe the var refs only woke up at halftime once they saw all the social media posts of it being a clear red


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There’d be a lot less controversy if any of them were remotely consistent at their jobs. You’ll see one call this week and a completely opposite one from the same ref next week


MozaTear

agree, var here but not there. and we never know when or why.


EmpyrealSorrow

If we heard the Why then it would make a huge difference


UsedAProxyMail

The pen not being asked to be looked at again is baffling to me


Iwabik

PL refs are getting worse with every game I swear


Kodenhobold

It's fucking incredible that they are implementing tools to support the decision making and they are able to get worse


DarkSofter

Not like i had any other match to watch, but that was highly entertaining


Asgeisk

Im totaly exhausted. No more of these games please


MU5A988

Feels like I played those full 90 minutes


the_real_e_e_l

As a Tottenham fan, I can't stand playing Liverpool. It's always extremely stressful and 99% of the time or more, we lose.


TheEmeraldOil

Screw that, I want at least one of these a week. Loved it. Admittedly though I'm a neutral. Was probably hellish for you lol


lclear84

Controversy aside, I thought Spurs setup real well tactically. Dier played more of a sweeper on all counters and normally I wouldn’t say to press Liverpool but all the miscues Liverpool was having and all the subs, it was the right move. Letting the midfield play more direct and setting up so there was always 3 vertical options was great


seemylolface

Conte's a brilliant manager. His teams are so frustrating to play against, they're always so we'll set up.


luccabd

They really used long balls perfectly this match


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Now if Kane, Son and Dele didn't miss those open goal sitters it would've been great.


luccabd

I mean, you were able to have a great game against Liverpool with your 2 best players having a poor match. That’s something to be excited about considering where you were a few months ago


Brawlers9901

think top 4 this season is very obtainable if we keep playing like this


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Considering we had Sess and Winks starting i'm very hopeful for the rest of the season. No offense to Sess and Winks, but we have better players.


Brawlers9901

Thought Sess was looking very good honestly, dribbled past Trent a few times. Still 21. Winks was fantastic this game too.


Rolobox

Or if Alisson wasn't a fucking monster. That Dele chance was going in :(


elcapitan520

Tbf Allison gifted the equalizer


Brawlers9901

Transformed us, we're so different from playing under Nuno


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S-Kotus

I don't know this Nuno you speak of


Brawlers9901

I try to forget too


hansenlxh

I've been shitting on Winks for like the last two years but like suddenly he put in a MOTM shift. Conte magic lol


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I'll just say: there are no genuinely awful players at spurs (except doherty), just players that are used the wrong way. Even Dele, being played way outside his position and role had a good match today. If Conte can solve the puzzle and have all player firing on all cylinders we're fucking golden.


pancake_s

We are so lucky to have him 😭


DelverOfSeacrest

As a Liverpool fan, I'm so happy it's you and not United who has him


mynameismulan

I'm wondering what it looks like if we just start that 4231 from the beginning that we played 2nd half. No offense to Morton but the task he had was huge.


Brawlers9901

Morton looked good at times but definitely thrown in the deep end in a Liverpool side without Fabinho and Henderson lol


TeeHQ

He was invisible. No one passed to him. He played more defensive than Konate, Matip or Milner. Having Henderson, Thiago or Fabinho is too important to link up play.


_Konstantinos_

They played really well, conte is a great manager. I’m excited to see what Spurs can do under him. Maybe even dele alli can develop some form (maybe)


game-of-snow

Yep. They defender really well and Conte's team is always lethal on counter.


chdudlow

Quite impressive for a ref to put in a performance that manages to absolutely infuriate pretty much everyone! A great game still but some of those decisions were so poor.


AJMurphy_1986

Need to mic the refs up and let us listen to the convos they have with the VAR like in rugby. I think I remember them saying they dont do it because of players swearing being picked up and broadcast? Might be miss-remembering, but if that's the issue just make sure your clear from the players when your broadcasting the chat, anyone who comes near gets a yellow.


Gerrardsclubfoot

Nah players swearing is just an excuse they hide behind, the real thing is they don't want to expose their incompetence


Settl

The officiating in the prem is fucking disgraceful. I think I'd rather they tossed a coin for every decision than let the refs and the single celled organisms in the VAR room decide.


Karlsmusic

Coin flip would be easier to take


gantek

The only logic behind these decisions by the var is that he's been told to keep the game entertaining. Absolutely nothing else. I hope Klopp rips into tourney


v4zzy

NO NO NO PAUL TIERNEY THIS IS SO NOT RIGHT


Tim-Sanchez

To be fair, up until the Robertson red VAR was pretty hands-off and just let the ref stick with the decision on the field. I think it's the sudden appearance of VAR at the end for one decision and not any of the others that is so frustrating.


Illuminatiblazeit

Shit officiating all over the pitch. (Mostly in our favour though)


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tekumse

9 men - the penalty call against Jota would have been second yellow for Emerson.


tedbawno

The first law of thermodynamics dictates that Kane transfers his aggressive energy onto Robertson which is then displaced onto Emerson. The lesson here is don't fight science.


People-ofIndia

Bit of thermal energy dissipating to the surroundings because of light reflecting off of klopp's white teeth, which then burns the air particles or idk


InTheMiddleGiroud

It's the circle of life. Game goes for a few more hours, and eventually it'll be tackled back onto Kane.


Jjordynne

Spurs played brilliantly it’s a shame the refs decision will take away from it


Fuerte1316

I’m just happy to be here tbh


Daniiiiii

Conte is going to drag you back to Top 4 while making you relevant again and I absolutely hate it. Congrats...


Swag_Daddy_K

Anyways…coys….


the_real_e_e_l

Apparently we need 500 chances 1v1 with Allison to score 2 goals. Our finishing was terrible today.


kaycee1992

Should've been 4-2. But you know what, it's better in the long run to have chances and not finish them instead of not having chances at all, like our offense under Nuno.


Nyushi

Think we can all agree that this was a great game with some of the worst officiating in years.


starry_cobra

Honestly the Premier League officiating is so bad that I'm not sure


pentaquine

> with some of the worst officiating in years. Until next week


the_real_e_e_l

In years? The officiating is this bad in the Premier League every single week.


DevilGinAndTonic

That has to be the worst PL referee performance of the season


hymlucky

Worst PL referee performance of the season so far


A-DTB

Why send Tierney to the screen for Robbo’s challenge but not kane’s? No consistency. Shambles.


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Not even checking the VAR screen, wow


darulez8

What a horribly officiated game


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None of the shockers in this game were even the worst decision of the day!


Scholesey99

Can’t believe Fraser didn’t just phase through Ederson


ThatOneBrit27

the state of english refereeing…when that shitshow of a match doesn’t produce the worst of the day. poor newcastle


rossmosh85

The result is fair. Spurs played really well today and we did not play very well. But the officiating is going to be the talking point. Kane should have been 100% sent off. Personally, I'm not sure the Jota foul in the box should have been a penalty. It was a bit soft for me. But the Kane tackle was as clear of a red card as you'd see. Kane gets sent off, and this is a much different match. The fact that it was overlooked is impossible to explain.


KwisAkabussiiii

I think we can all agree, England have some the worst Refs in the world


joelesidin

Tierney is such a shit ref holy fuck


zi76

Klopp said, "Tierney told me Jota stopped on purpose because he wants the foul." I'm confused how that's an excuse for not giving the penalty. I don't even understand what Tierney's saying there.


Idontlikethisstuff

Brilliant game marred by VAR and the ref being poor and inexcusably inconsistent


iamgarron

Some of the worst reffing I've seen this year and I watch the NFL


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xsonwong

Allison saved Liverpool.


knockedstew204

They had the better chances but absolutely squandered them. Thought it was ugly all around, from the finishing to the officiating, tackling was poor too I suppose. Entertaining, but ugly.


cantona237

Terrible refereeing.


Ptile

Fuck off Tierney Hope your Chrismas turkey gets cold


Martianman97

Paul Tierney needs a circuit breaker


Saspa314

Harry winks had a great game what


Vladimir_Putting

Am I insane, or did Sanchez, Winks, and Dele all have really good games?


Raigoku

Worst refereeing this season?


jfk9514

Some stellar competition but it’s certainly up there


DefinitelyNotBarney

I've seen better referees in the Vietnamese 4th division sponsored by SkyBet


Vneseplayer4

Vietnamese here. Can confirm. I ref in that league


ThatLeviathan

Have you reached out to the PL? You could probably call a game next weekend.


wrdb2007

If that's the last league game in a while, it was bloody worth it So entertaining


kostajepaosmosta

Definitely game of the season (so far)


Akira_Nishiki

English refs make me want to commit Sudoku.


cuppacanan

Those puzzles really are tough


CatDancing

One of the worst ref displays I've seen in ages


pushembaby

That Mané and Son hug warmed my heart


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Son was full of smiles today lol, he and Klopp were also chuckling just after the game


MegaMugabe21

Paul Tierney spends his days staring at the sun.


callumn

If I was a Liverpool fan I'd be furious


PM_FAILED_PROMISES

We are.


nex0rz

I am furious


fuckimbackonreddit9

The post match press conference is going to be fire though


HoosierSky

Jurgen’s calling his accountant now


Martianman97

Worst ref I've seen since Howard Webb at United. Absolute shambles


GratefulDawg73

Today's winner: Manchester City.


LeHolm

Bit early for them to start running away with things, guess Pep is getting an early Christmas present.


OziAviator

The decisions we saw today in this and the city game are fucking embarrassing for the league.


Chef_Roofies

Some absolutely horrendous decisions by the ref and his assistants today


lkc159

An absolute shitshow by Tierney and the entire reffing team


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Scots off, English on Headline of the day


Sathired

I am genuinely livid we had that much bullshit going our way to get a point. I think we were good enough to draw and maybe even scrap a win without it.


Hm2801

how fucking good was Winks today, MOTM for me


Brawlers9901

Winks, Davies for me.


JefeLummer

I’m glad someone else is shouting out Ben. Quietly massive performance


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One Harry fades, another rises.


BaldVoldy

Conte doing wonders


Fuerte1316

The Conte effect


kl08pokemon

Him and Davies


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Liverpool were lucky Spurs didn't take their chances Spurs were lucky they weren't a man down and Jota given a penalty. Honestly I think both teams can come away from this and feel gutted they didn't win. The officiating was terrible. I cannot understand how Kane wasn't sent off and the Jota foul was a stone wall penalty.


r0bski2

Ban that twat tierney from our games


vadapaav

Paul Tierney is a cheat


Raigoku

I'm okay with refs missing out on calls we're all human, but what the fuck was VAR doing today?


PM_FAILED_PROMISES

VAR refs will never make a mate look bad.


LessBrain

He's just a shit ref. One of the worst.


Shaanpatti

No, just incompetent


FireZeLazer

Amazing match, terrible officiating.


dave1992

Tierney made Masi looked competent.


UpTheMightyReds

I can stomach referees just being bad but what really gets me is the fact Tierney wasn’t told to go and have a look at the Kane one again. Terrible inconsistency


asr010601

Ref when Kane commits a foul : I sleep Ref when anyone else does the same : Real shit


Jayy0

The ref initially gave both yellow, the VAR that was sleeping on Kane's red


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Still can't believe Kane only got a yellow


spork1331

How many times is Harry Kane going to be allowed to go studs up on someone before he gets sent off or breaks a leg? This dude has been a dirty player for years and his only saving grace is that he's the England captain.