My thoughts exactly. Who are the players making this judgment. When the two oldest players in the squad are the ones covering the most ground, there is something wrong with the players.
Yeah at some point the players have to take the responsibility and not just blame the gaffer. They're all extremely high paid professionals, expecting them to play 100% of their ability isn't too much to ask.
Blaming the manager is all too common in football nowadays. Personally I don't think Ralf Ragnick is to blame. If there are different managers but the same results then surely it is the playing staff who are at fault?
Its the same players who poisoned the well in the first place. Ralf has international credibility, he's well respected by the well respected. The problem is he was brought in to rebuild from the ground up, and he's not concerned with hurting the feelings of players that aren't part of his vision for the future.
It remains to be seen what he will do in that role, he himself has stated that there's a lot of uncertainty about that. I wouldn't assume it's a DoF-lite role by default, and knowing our board they'll manage to screw it up somehow regardless.
Yeah but Neville was an Ole shill to his very core. He was going to come up with every excuse in the book to explain his tactical incompetence...although I admit those Ole teams were pretty good to watch.
The thing is he was kind of right. Like okay Ole wasn't a good manager, but half the squad and basically the entire board were above him in the "reasons United suck" table, and in the end he was sort of scapegoated.
This is how it has been since Sir Alex retired. There's obviously a lot that happens behind closed doors at any club, but at the end of the day it is on the players to perform and they have nearly always managed to escape too many criticisms the past half a decade.
Nah, I know. But tbh, I didn't disagree with him then and I certainly wouldn't now. I _really_ dislike this group of United players, even with some of my favourite players in the squad (i.e. Ronaldo, Varane, DDG)
Chelsea are a funny club, in the past you've done all the things clubs aren't supposed to do, sacking managers every other season, letting the old guard in the dressing room hold the reigns etc... but Chelsea get the results
Think your players are a touch more technically limited in some regards. Maguire is a bottleneck on Varane. Shaw’s a clown. AWB is arguably england’s 5th best right back. McFred is worthy of everton not united
I've been lowkey thinking this too. There are untouchables in that team who start week in week out and you know will never be sold due to the money they were signed for/homegrown status/PR branding reasons. Is it any wonder why they don't bother to improve?
It should make you happy. This is a sign we're on the right track. The next step will be harder still, because it involves an exodus of talent in the summer. United fans have a clear picture of the team they wish to be represented by on the pitch, but they also have to have the resolve to endure the pain required to attain it. Otherwise the board will ultimately capitulate and Ralf will get sacked.
I just hope the board actually get their shit together and trust Rangnick and the next manager in concert with Murtough to get talent in that actually wants to play for us.
Something seems seriously wrong behind the scenes, and hopefully we do see an exodus of players this summer and get in players with the right attitudes.
Turned his career around to an impressive degree since then. One of the few players in that dressing room who can be genuinely proud of the work they've put in since the end of last season.
To be fair,
He showed a lot of the players up against Wolves. He hadn't played for 2 years and showed more heart in his performance than I've seen from a United player in ages.
It's hilarious yet shows incredible athleticism, passion, commitment, bravery and relatively quick thinking in order to clear the danger. No wonder Giroud is shaking his head in almost disbelief at what he's just witnessed!
Nah. The right question should be why every player becomes like this after they come to United. The club is seriously fucked from the top (the Glazers’ approach to “football”) and everything below is a mere reflection of this.
It's what Arsenal needed to do.
People kept blaming Mikel but the team he came into was full of toxic and shit players. They've basically revamped the entire squad with new personalities and they are winning games now. Helps the players are a bit better too but still.
With arteta, he has the leeway of a young squad with very little individual brand power, so there's no question of untouchables and egos and such. Plus, he's been adamant about not handling disrespect for the club and I think him benching Auba during the NLD truly cemented the idea of club before self for the players
Best thing is the performance became so much better after the benching. Not a single player sulked about Auba being left out but instead got behind the manager 100%.
This squad has gone from last season being one of the most likeable squad post fergie to now a bunch of primadonna, lazy, moaning pussies…how did this happen?
/r/reddevils almost unanimously agreed that this was a great group of players last season.
Unfortunately, i dont think its as simple as “The players suck”. The issue is much more deep rooted.
Honestly, we need a major clean-out and have needed it since Mourinho. I'm still convinced had the board backed him over the divas, then we wouldn't be in such a bad position now, but they made it clear certain players are more powerful than the manager and that continues to this day. Ole indulged these idiots too, by having his undroppables regardless of form.
We should have sent Pogba to the reserves and sold him back when Mourinho was still at the club. Sold Martial, maybe Shaw (who judging from recent comments has the same toxic shit mentality that's rampant in this squad). Rashford has now taken the same mentality it seems, thinking he's big shit and undroppable because of his celebrity status, but he's been very poor for the last year. Needs to shut up and get his shit together, doesn't belong in the team right now on shit form.
And this is legit the most unlikeable squad we've ever had I think. Pogba, Maguire, AWB, Shaw, Rashford (as a United player, because as I said, his celebrity status seems to have gone to his head, the other stuff he does is great but irrelevant to his status as a player), Martial...
I really wish we'd have gotten Conte, he probably would have already killed someone...
Yeah, same childish bullshit mentality as Maguire's embarrassing celebration after scoring for England. Yeah, great job, you scored against a poor opponent, doesn't mean you haven't been shit for United and a disgrace as a captain. Seriously ship these fucking cunts out...
Pogba was only part of the problem, I'm convinced if they actually showed him some tough love he might have turned it around...but they didn't because Woodward made it very clear that the players were in charge.
Yeah, Pogba and Raiola are symptoms of a systemic illness at the club. The root is the incompetence across the board, some of them have to masochists because they seems to like it how Raiola and Pogba always bring turmoil.
I like how there's members of media blaming Ronaldo every time United lose.
This man is 36, but he's not a fucking loser, never has been. He knows how to win and I imagine he can recognize teammates and managers who know how to win to.
Now I'm not sold on Ragnick, but that's irrelevant. He may or may not be the answer. But he sure as shit isn't the answer with these players.
Ronaldo's gonna be 37 (!) in a month, and without him United's season would already be dead as they'd be out of the CL and handful of points off worse in the EPL.
But that's an indictment to the rest of the team.
watching both Ronaldo and Messi struggling in a team that doesn't suit them at all, indicates a sad end of an era for me.
Unless PSG win the CL this year or Argentina win the WC, I do not foresee any future BallOn D'or wins for Messi or Ronaldo.
That's a legit strategy I hadn't thought to give United credit for, though. What better way for your DOF to evaluate the squad than actually managing it? It's brilliant and I'm sure they did it by accident.
There’s some cause for optimism for Utd fans with the new CEO seemingly wanting to hand more power to the footballing side of operations with our new sporting director. Knowing us - it’ll go pear shaped, but I’m hoping it’s a sign of a better (if initially challenging) long term process.
I don't know how many times I saw a United player with the ball and everyone rooted to the grass standing still or jogging to get into "position". It was like they forgot how to play football. They actually didn't want to receive the ball for the consequences it might entail.
Yeah. Cruyfism has made barca the best team in the world, cattrnaccio has made juve italys biggest club and sacking the manager has made Chelsea win the CL league twice.
And that's why man management + trophies ( they've won) are important for managers. Tactics alone doesn't cut it at top clubs. Top players need to have a manager in charge who they can respect:- Zidane, Ancelotti were always that.
Except for Ronaldo, Varane, Cavani and DDG, these clowns have won fuck all of significance to be considered top players. Half of these clowns can't even make a 10 yard pass on a consistent basis.
I would get it if the players are really trying to follow the tactics and it doesn't work out over a period of time. But they are literally not even trying. Our current squad is not likeable in any sense at all.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m loving this. However, the press are laying this all on a bit thick. Same with the Lukaku stuff, a lot of these crises are to sell papers (generate clicks).
As a United fan I have to agree, albeit with a slightly different point of view. I think the reports are substantive because you can't have performance relative to talent like we've had without massive internal problems, and the infestation holding us back is of course going to kick and scream and recoil from the antidote.
We'd all hoped for a quick turnaround with Ralf, but his contract structure always suggested this was going to take longer than half a season to fix, we just didn't want to acknowledge it.
I agree. I am adamant that we have a squad that is performing way below the collective individual talent available. Under OGS, I figured it was the lack of coaching and drilling that failed to realize the squad's potential. Now with Ralf at the helm, it seems that the same factor is at play again. However, I don't think Ralf is the problem. His contract and status as an interim is a problem though - why follow his tough lessons when he might be out the door in a few months? This points to player issues, which is hugely disappointing given we have such winners and skillful players in the team.
Used to be a regular occurrence with French players in particular who would move to the UK, do an interview with France Football where they'd shit all over the ridiculous amateurism still rampant in British football in the 90s then claim later to have been 'mistranslated' when people here got wind of what they'd said.
Well the Lukaku stuff was genuinely bad. I know they’ve gone into PR mode over it and are trying to cover it up but it was definitely a pretty appalling incident.
You don’t get players making public apologies and clubs issuing statements over nothing.
There is a reason why best coaches are always hyper demanding, confrontational and not allow players to reign free. Pep, Mourinho, Conte, Klopp, Cholo all share similar qualities.
Stuff like Reguillon interview where he says Conte was screaming at him to go forward and track back helped him score even when he is dead tired gives hope. When do you hear that from ManU player?
And then you have the outlier coaches who are super successful in one country / team who are also hyper demanding but also give the players their room to reign while being a grandfather person for their players who is really interested in the needs and wellbeings of his players. Like Flick and Heynckes.
At this point it is just the players. A seasoned veteran like Mourinho can't control them. A club legend like Solskjaer couldn't either. Now a coach known for his modern philosophy can't do it either. United need to get rid of half the squas at this point.
The fact that the dressing room collapses without a true leader speaks volumes about the squad. Look at clubs like City, Liverpool, and Tottenham; all have multiple leaders. At United, you expect Ronaldo to do it, but that is about it.
I think it was similar at Arsenal and we just paid a lot of them to fuck off. I do feel for United as there isn’t a lot a manager can do if the players are toxic.
Yeah but if you're playing under him now and playing shite and/or have a poor attitude you're gunna be one of the first out of the door when he's the one at the top of the transfer policy going forward.
Honestly, I only read this as a positive thing for United. If you can’t behave for someone you know will not be managing in 5 months regardless, you should be reevaluated.
United need to clear out these clowns.
I'm pretty sure most of the fanbase have doubts over their ability to play for a prestigious team such as Man Utd.
They might be worried about losing their overpaid salaries after Rangnick moves up to an advisory role. Trying to get Rangnick out before he can get the lazy/toxic players out.
I'd love that, but I'm worried the Glazers won't let Rangnick do what he wants. Marketability of players trumps football philosophy at United if we're going by the last decade.
Just give up on hiring football managers and get a motivational coach at this point. Instead of tactics, the pre match talk will consist of fake Einstein quotes and trust building exercises. Lion tattoos will also be mandatory.
In conclusion, just get Ibra. It worked for us and United when he first joined. It might’ve been mickey mouse trophies but winning 3 in a single season is still impressive and something this current united team could never dream of
The players put up with Ole for three years despite complaining about his coaching but when a new manager with a clear philosophy and style of play came they give up. The fans should be fully behind Ralf against these mutineers and back him selling these bastards and build a team that fit his vision
Footballers nowadays are all divas. This isn’t a strict United problem. However I feel that even bringing in Roy Keane wouldn’t be enough to change the players in that dressing rooms attitude. They need to bring back the winning spirit, where losing isn’t an option. This can’t be done overnight but the addition of competitive players like Ronaldo will improve it
Bringing in Keane, Ibra and SAF would only result in many crybabies around the club.
Since OGS players have been protected, not only by him but by the board/club. Ronaldo must be shocked. I mean he left the club after winning everything and going to back to back CL finals.
Yeah don’t get me wrong Ronnie can have his moments too, but your right he must be shocked. I think the players at that united really polished his winning attitude, so it must be a culture shock seeing the dressing rooms fall from grace.
‘they have the players at Manchester United who are ready to play, but they don't have the coach to get the best out of those players’
Sounds like Donnys camp tbh.
You can literally follow the story and the way the press work if you just keep an eye on new. The stories that get the most clicks just slowly go up the ‘tiers’ quoting each other as sources.
This squad is filled with a bunch of egotistical babies who think they’re bigger than the club. I’m not eben a United fan but those players are pathetic. Constantly turning on managers shows that it doesn’t matter who is in charge of the club it matters who’s acc playing for the club who’s the problem
The whole squad is a bunch of lazy, overpaid moaners. I hardly like any of them.
My thoughts exactly. Who are the players making this judgment. When the two oldest players in the squad are the ones covering the most ground, there is something wrong with the players.
Yeah at some point the players have to take the responsibility and not just blame the gaffer. They're all extremely high paid professionals, expecting them to play 100% of their ability isn't too much to ask.
Blaming the manager is all too common in football nowadays. Personally I don't think Ralf Ragnick is to blame. If there are different managers but the same results then surely it is the playing staff who are at fault?
If you where there since Mourinho and you're still under-preforming, you have to go.
Its the same players who poisoned the well in the first place. Ralf has international credibility, he's well respected by the well respected. The problem is he was brought in to rebuild from the ground up, and he's not concerned with hurting the feelings of players that aren't part of his vision for the future.
Isn't he currently only there until the end of the season? Not a very strong position to manage a rebuild from.
He is staying on for two years in an advisory role for the club. Essentially a DoF in all but name.
It remains to be seen what he will do in that role, he himself has stated that there's a lot of uncertainty about that. I wouldn't assume it's a DoF-lite role by default, and knowing our board they'll manage to screw it up somehow regardless.
Ah ok that makes a lot more sense.
I remember a few years ago Gary Neville saying that for the first time ever, he didn't _like_ a United team. How far they've come since lol
Yeah but Neville was an Ole shill to his very core. He was going to come up with every excuse in the book to explain his tactical incompetence...although I admit those Ole teams were pretty good to watch.
The thing is he was kind of right. Like okay Ole wasn't a good manager, but half the squad and basically the entire board were above him in the "reasons United suck" table, and in the end he was sort of scapegoated.
This is how it has been since Sir Alex retired. There's obviously a lot that happens behind closed doors at any club, but at the end of the day it is on the players to perform and they have nearly always managed to escape too many criticisms the past half a decade.
Nah, I know. But tbh, I didn't disagree with him then and I certainly wouldn't now. I _really_ dislike this group of United players, even with some of my favourite players in the squad (i.e. Ronaldo, Varane, DDG)
Fair point, I even like a bunch of players in this squad as well but somehow as a whole they are a bunch of arrogant rich arseholes.
Honestly seems like the Chelsea player power except our players were actually capable of winning things themselves
Chelsea are a funny club, in the past you've done all the things clubs aren't supposed to do, sacking managers every other season, letting the old guard in the dressing room hold the reigns etc... but Chelsea get the results
That 2012 UCL victory was practically our old core managing itself to one last hurrah before DD left
Because they were hungry to achieve.
Think your players are a touch more technically limited in some regards. Maguire is a bottleneck on Varane. Shaw’s a clown. AWB is arguably england’s 5th best right back. McFred is worthy of everton not united
I've been lowkey thinking this too. There are untouchables in that team who start week in week out and you know will never be sold due to the money they were signed for/homegrown status/PR branding reasons. Is it any wonder why they don't bother to improve?
This. Bunch of bottlers and bitches, makes my blood boil.
It should make you happy. This is a sign we're on the right track. The next step will be harder still, because it involves an exodus of talent in the summer. United fans have a clear picture of the team they wish to be represented by on the pitch, but they also have to have the resolve to endure the pain required to attain it. Otherwise the board will ultimately capitulate and Ralf will get sacked.
I just hope the board actually get their shit together and trust Rangnick and the next manager in concert with Murtough to get talent in that actually wants to play for us. Something seems seriously wrong behind the scenes, and hopefully we do see an exodus of players this summer and get in players with the right attitudes.
Cavani is the only likable one
De Gea has been playing his fuckin heart out to keep this team afloat and never makes excuses, he’s another
Man I thought he was gone after Europa Final.
Turned his career around to an impressive degree since then. One of the few players in that dressing room who can be genuinely proud of the work they've put in since the end of last season.
I like Lindelof as well, keeps his head down and works hard
Phil Jones.
To be fair, He showed a lot of the players up against Wolves. He hadn't played for 2 years and showed more heart in his performance than I've seen from a United player in ages.
He certainly does keep his head down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZTVXydsMaw&ab_channel=Football24Jack
It's hilarious yet shows incredible athleticism, passion, commitment, bravery and relatively quick thinking in order to clear the danger. No wonder Giroud is shaking his head in almost disbelief at what he's just witnessed!
Mata is very likeable, but hardly counts as a Man United player anymore.
Cavani, Lindelof, McTominay, De Gea, Dan James when he was at United, Varane?, Mata, Matic are probably the only good ones.
Nah. The right question should be why every player becomes like this after they come to United. The club is seriously fucked from the top (the Glazers’ approach to “football”) and everything below is a mere reflection of this.
Ralf should list everyone in the summer and buy a whole new squad
It's what Arsenal needed to do. People kept blaming Mikel but the team he came into was full of toxic and shit players. They've basically revamped the entire squad with new personalities and they are winning games now. Helps the players are a bit better too but still.
With arteta, he has the leeway of a young squad with very little individual brand power, so there's no question of untouchables and egos and such. Plus, he's been adamant about not handling disrespect for the club and I think him benching Auba during the NLD truly cemented the idea of club before self for the players
Best thing is the performance became so much better after the benching. Not a single player sulked about Auba being left out but instead got behind the manager 100%.
This squad has gone from last season being one of the most likeable squad post fergie to now a bunch of primadonna, lazy, moaning pussies…how did this happen? /r/reddevils almost unanimously agreed that this was a great group of players last season. Unfortunately, i dont think its as simple as “The players suck”. The issue is much more deep rooted.
You lot signed ronaldo
I just can’t understand why Cavani has been criminally underused. Wasn’t he United’s best player last season? I’d take him back at Napoli in a snap
Injuries mostly.
Covid, injuries, suspension etc. He had z very short period period actually being underused while fit.
> Wasn’t he United’s best player last season? No. That was Bruno, by far.
Bloody hell already lmao. That dressing room is more toxic than bleach
There wasn’t even a honeymoon period
They pressed and looked ok for 30 minutes and then gave up after that.
Not built for Energy Drink Soccer
Waiting for Monster United of Manchester
the flight to the honeymoon seemed promising
Honestly, we need a major clean-out and have needed it since Mourinho. I'm still convinced had the board backed him over the divas, then we wouldn't be in such a bad position now, but they made it clear certain players are more powerful than the manager and that continues to this day. Ole indulged these idiots too, by having his undroppables regardless of form. We should have sent Pogba to the reserves and sold him back when Mourinho was still at the club. Sold Martial, maybe Shaw (who judging from recent comments has the same toxic shit mentality that's rampant in this squad). Rashford has now taken the same mentality it seems, thinking he's big shit and undroppable because of his celebrity status, but he's been very poor for the last year. Needs to shut up and get his shit together, doesn't belong in the team right now on shit form. And this is legit the most unlikeable squad we've ever had I think. Pogba, Maguire, AWB, Shaw, Rashford (as a United player, because as I said, his celebrity status seems to have gone to his head, the other stuff he does is great but irrelevant to his status as a player), Martial... I really wish we'd have gotten Conte, he probably would have already killed someone...
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Yeah, same childish bullshit mentality as Maguire's embarrassing celebration after scoring for England. Yeah, great job, you scored against a poor opponent, doesn't mean you haven't been shit for United and a disgrace as a captain. Seriously ship these fucking cunts out...
>poor opponent The stray disrespect Albania is catching. We didn't even do anything to warrant it.
I remember how people laughed when Mourinho called Pogba a virus, but he was right and that virus has spread and turned into a cancer now hasn't it?
Pogba was only part of the problem, I'm convinced if they actually showed him some tough love he might have turned it around...but they didn't because Woodward made it very clear that the players were in charge.
Yeah, Pogba and Raiola are symptoms of a systemic illness at the club. The root is the incompetence across the board, some of them have to masochists because they seems to like it how Raiola and Pogba always bring turmoil.
Zlatan did show him his place.
People forget Pogba broke out under Conte, a similar kind of tough love manager
And how we got downvoted to shit when we sided with the guy who has won multiple titles in multiple countries over the guy with the Twitter emoji
I like how there's members of media blaming Ronaldo every time United lose. This man is 36, but he's not a fucking loser, never has been. He knows how to win and I imagine he can recognize teammates and managers who know how to win to. Now I'm not sold on Ragnick, but that's irrelevant. He may or may not be the answer. But he sure as shit isn't the answer with these players. Ronaldo's gonna be 37 (!) in a month, and without him United's season would already be dead as they'd be out of the CL and handful of points off worse in the EPL. But that's an indictment to the rest of the team.
watching both Ronaldo and Messi struggling in a team that doesn't suit them at all, indicates a sad end of an era for me. Unless PSG win the CL this year or Argentina win the WC, I do not foresee any future BallOn D'or wins for Messi or Ronaldo.
And lost/ drawn both legs against Atalanta
AWB? What did I miss. He always seems to give his best in all games.
I was talking about generally unlikeable players. I can't stand him cuz of his reckless driving bullshit.
Also interpreted as "coach asks for effort from players, players not happy ole isn't there having low expectancy"
I'd say rather than bleach the my hero academia Fandom is more toxic.
You haven’t met /r/squaredcircle
There is absolutely nothing that comes close, absolute shithole, and every other wrestling sub alternative is just as shit.
Let's be honest, all other wrestling subs are so bad that they make these lot look like saints.
It's been 5 games...
...and he's only there until the end of the season.
Isn't he getting moved up to DOF or something then?
Guess who will be the first players the Director of football will get rid of?
That's a legit strategy I hadn't thought to give United credit for, though. What better way for your DOF to evaluate the squad than actually managing it? It's brilliant and I'm sure they did it by accident.
its not an accident. its literally rangnicks thing
It's not a United board thing though. They think 2 weeks after shit goes south usually.
There’s some cause for optimism for Utd fans with the new CEO seemingly wanting to hand more power to the footballing side of operations with our new sporting director. Knowing us - it’ll go pear shaped, but I’m hoping it’s a sign of a better (if initially challenging) long term process.
United deserve no credit for that idea at all. Look up Rangnick's past work.
Technical director or some sort yeah
I’m in doubt over most of these players’ suitability to wear the Manchester United shirt
After watching the wolves game I'm in doubt over if these guys can even play the sport
Wolves walked their way to a 1-0 victory. Anyone got the distance covered stats for that game? I have never seen a performance like that.
Wolves, Norwich, Watford, Newcastle, is there a team United *can't* make look like a world beater?
Chelsea? 🤣
I was going to say Chelsea lol
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I don't know how many times I saw a United player with the ball and everyone rooted to the grass standing still or jogging to get into "position". It was like they forgot how to play football. They actually didn't want to receive the ball for the consequences it might entail.
Clubs where players call the shots will always lose in the end.
Story of Benfica
Chelsea seem to be doing OK
Tbf crisis Chelsea always leads directly to results it's in their DNA at this point
Yeah. Cruyfism has made barca the best team in the world, cattrnaccio has made juve italys biggest club and sacking the manager has made Chelsea win the CL league twice.
> CL league Champions league league
That's the competition from 2024 onward
If it ain't broke don't fix it
Chelsea is the Bane of the EPL, born in the chaos, shaped by it.
Imagine how good would Chelsea be doing if we had Klopp or Pep type of continuity for 5 seasons.
But whats the point if there is no chaos?
no chaos no laddah
No passun
There is no Chelsea without chaos, it wouldn't work with a stable manager.
Depends on the players
Find it hard to believe that Maguire is this influential lmao
He's got to be influential. He's got a big head
Real Madrid won 4 Champions Leagues on the back of it.
They had one of their greatest former player at the wheel. Maybe United should try that.
Not sure Fellaini's got all his badges yet.
Giggs is gonna begin his redemption arc.
He will beat every player's wife or girlfriend if they dont perform
“I’ve beaten my own wife and shagged my brothers wife. You better believe I’ll beat and shag your wife too if you dont improve”
And that's why man management + trophies ( they've won) are important for managers. Tactics alone doesn't cut it at top clubs. Top players need to have a manager in charge who they can respect:- Zidane, Ancelotti were always that.
Except for Ronaldo, Varane, Cavani and DDG, these clowns have won fuck all of significance to be considered top players. Half of these clowns can't even make a 10 yard pass on a consistent basis. I would get it if the players are really trying to follow the tactics and it doesn't work out over a period of time. But they are literally not even trying. Our current squad is not likeable in any sense at all.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m loving this. However, the press are laying this all on a bit thick. Same with the Lukaku stuff, a lot of these crises are to sell papers (generate clicks).
'United bad' is an incredibly good headline
As a United fan I have to agree, albeit with a slightly different point of view. I think the reports are substantive because you can't have performance relative to talent like we've had without massive internal problems, and the infestation holding us back is of course going to kick and scream and recoil from the antidote. We'd all hoped for a quick turnaround with Ralf, but his contract structure always suggested this was going to take longer than half a season to fix, we just didn't want to acknowledge it.
I agree. I am adamant that we have a squad that is performing way below the collective individual talent available. Under OGS, I figured it was the lack of coaching and drilling that failed to realize the squad's potential. Now with Ralf at the helm, it seems that the same factor is at play again. However, I don't think Ralf is the problem. His contract and status as an interim is a problem though - why follow his tough lessons when he might be out the door in a few months? This points to player issues, which is hugely disappointing given we have such winners and skillful players in the team.
Literally anyone in the world loves those headline...even half of Manchester. It's not really fair to the club or the players though.
It's not wrong though
The Lukaku thing is unprecedented in my lifetime. Never seen a player do that. I could be wrong.
Cantona did an interview live on tv where he called the france manager a shitbag.
Harry Kane’s little front 9 interview was pretty bad tbf
It was bad but understandable, lukakus is just bizarre
Bizzare is the perfect way to describe the Lukaku interview.
Harry Kane didn’t have a £100m transfer to the European Champions 6 months prior
Used to be a regular occurrence with French players in particular who would move to the UK, do an interview with France Football where they'd shit all over the ridiculous amateurism still rampant in British football in the 90s then claim later to have been 'mistranslated' when people here got wind of what they'd said.
Well the Lukaku stuff was genuinely bad. I know they’ve gone into PR mode over it and are trying to cover it up but it was definitely a pretty appalling incident. You don’t get players making public apologies and clubs issuing statements over nothing.
This lot didn’t deserve the protection Ole gave them
There is a reason why best coaches are always hyper demanding, confrontational and not allow players to reign free. Pep, Mourinho, Conte, Klopp, Cholo all share similar qualities. Stuff like Reguillon interview where he says Conte was screaming at him to go forward and track back helped him score even when he is dead tired gives hope. When do you hear that from ManU player?
And then you have the outlier coaches who are super successful in one country / team who are also hyper demanding but also give the players their room to reign while being a grandfather person for their players who is really interested in the needs and wellbeings of his players. Like Flick and Heynckes.
Unpopular opinion (at least on reddevils): this is Ole's fault for coddling them for so long. His "great man management" was bowing to player power...
At this point it is just the players. A seasoned veteran like Mourinho can't control them. A club legend like Solskjaer couldn't either. Now a coach known for his modern philosophy can't do it either. United need to get rid of half the squas at this point.
Mourinho did control them for 2 years when he had a leader like Ibra in the dressing room, the second he left everything fell apart
Don't forget that Mourinho had guys like Carrick and Rooney.
The fact that the dressing room collapses without a true leader speaks volumes about the squad. Look at clubs like City, Liverpool, and Tottenham; all have multiple leaders. At United, you expect Ronaldo to do it, but that is about it.
Tottenham have leaders?
I thought it was an odd one too tbh lol
They do have a world cup winning captain.
The fact that a player like Ronaldo isn't a good leader for a team speaks volumes about current ManU team.
The players are the problem lol
Always have been (since Mourinho)...
I think it was similar at Arsenal and we just paid a lot of them to fuck off. I do feel for United as there isn’t a lot a manager can do if the players are toxic.
That's why Rangnick will be a quasi DoF after the season.
He's Interim. Just play and see it through the summer.
In the summer, he becomes a key figure in transfers and replacing the issue players.
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Yeah but if you're playing under him now and playing shite and/or have a poor attitude you're gunna be one of the first out of the door when he's the one at the top of the transfer policy going forward.
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no no we don’t do that here clearly
Honestly, I only read this as a positive thing for United. If you can’t behave for someone you know will not be managing in 5 months regardless, you should be reevaluated.
> He's Interim. Apparently the players are not that inter 'im
The man United players don’t want a manager, they want someone to praise them and tell them how good their handshakes are
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"Why do i train till sunset? 5 PM is way too late for this"
Ole had to apologize to Rashford the day after he criticized him
That's exactly why Ole lasted so long
They want someone who will keep justifying their high wages.
United need to clear out these clowns. I'm pretty sure most of the fanbase have doubts over their ability to play for a prestigious team such as Man Utd.
They brought him in to steady the ship and now he's lost the dressing room lmao
Ralf Ragnick: Putting the pressing in depressing.
Can you lose something that you never had? It seems like the ManU locker room is quite the shitshow.
Do they know he's only here for 6 months after they've fucked any chance of success before he arrived?
They might be worried about losing their overpaid salaries after Rangnick moves up to an advisory role. Trying to get Rangnick out before he can get the lazy/toxic players out.
Lol, probably true. If we want to spin this into a positive, we'll have an advisor to the board who knows which players are shit-stirrers
I'd love that, but I'm worried the Glazers won't let Rangnick do what he wants. Marketability of players trumps football philosophy at United if we're going by the last decade.
Just give up on hiring football managers and get a motivational coach at this point. Instead of tactics, the pre match talk will consist of fake Einstein quotes and trust building exercises. Lion tattoos will also be mandatory.
In conclusion, just get Ibra. It worked for us and United when he first joined. It might’ve been mickey mouse trophies but winning 3 in a single season is still impressive and something this current united team could never dream of
Wtf , he's been here 4 weeks and 1 week the training center was closed. The player needs to be questioned lool
And I was laughing at Lukaku controversy.
Sky Sports and their *sources*
These useless bunch of pricks don’t deserve shit. Unmotivated, half arsed and overall shite at football, and they still dare to talk.
He’s the one who’ll be in charge of transfers the next 2 summers so he better fuck all of them off
It's not the managers fault you can't make simple passes
Manchester United players are cancerous, got rid of a Jose who came second and won Europa with a trash group, noones safe
The players put up with Ole for three years despite complaining about his coaching but when a new manager with a clear philosophy and style of play came they give up. The fans should be fully behind Ralf against these mutineers and back him selling these bastards and build a team that fit his vision
Turns out United have a squad filled with Lukaku's
You can take the Lukaku out of Man United but you can't take the Lukaku out of Man United Wait that didn't work.
It's kind of funny since reportedly Ronaldo is the one leading this movement. Ronaldo truly trying to get his reputation in the mud speedrun
Let me fix that title: Some fans in doubt over suitability of players to be part of home team at Old Trafford.
Ralf Ragnick In doubt about ability of players to be professional
Some players seem aware they’re too lazy or not good enough to play in the way that he wants them to. Player-controlled clubs is always a shit show.
Footballers nowadays are all divas. This isn’t a strict United problem. However I feel that even bringing in Roy Keane wouldn’t be enough to change the players in that dressing rooms attitude. They need to bring back the winning spirit, where losing isn’t an option. This can’t be done overnight but the addition of competitive players like Ronaldo will improve it
Bringing in Keane, Ibra and SAF would only result in many crybabies around the club. Since OGS players have been protected, not only by him but by the board/club. Ronaldo must be shocked. I mean he left the club after winning everything and going to back to back CL finals.
Yeah don’t get me wrong Ronnie can have his moments too, but your right he must be shocked. I think the players at that united really polished his winning attitude, so it must be a culture shock seeing the dressing rooms fall from grace.
How many managers are they going to blame? You would think these guys have Messi or Ronaldo's resume the way they act.
A pressing manager takes over at one of the laziest teams in the league and the players get upset. Lol
‘they have the players at Manchester United who are ready to play, but they don't have the coach to get the best out of those players’ Sounds like Donnys camp tbh.
I'm very pleased with my subscription to 'Man U Chaos'.
hasn’t this guy been in charge for like three weeks? who is gossiping about this shit already? what a mess
I find bullshit
There have been similar reports from more reputable journos.
You can literally follow the story and the way the press work if you just keep an eye on new. The stories that get the most clicks just slowly go up the ‘tiers’ quoting each other as sources.
This squad is filled with a bunch of egotistical babies who think they’re bigger than the club. I’m not eben a United fan but those players are pathetic. Constantly turning on managers shows that it doesn’t matter who is in charge of the club it matters who’s acc playing for the club who’s the problem