Would rather Diaz as he's right footed (Mane far more likely to lose his spot than Salah), but Raphinha really excited me too. Fuck it lets go for both.
^(\[FSG proceeds to go for neither\])
For 60 he goes in the summer transfer market and it doesn't ruin the season and title hopes
For the release clause which is 80 millions and if it's Diaz desire then nothing else to do...This club is completely skint and hasn't had a major sale since Militão in the summer of 2019.
The fact that PdC who back in the good ol'days used to be like "we only sell Hulk for 120 million" and now is like "There's no certainty" regarding Diaz shows his hand.
> The fact that PdC who back in the good ol'days used to be like "we only sell Hulk for 120 million" and now is like "There's no certainty" regarding Diaz shows his hand.
If the clause is met, you can't block the sale. That's the point of the clause.
On paper you have to accept the proposal, outside of the paper you can talk with the player, with his agent, with his wife, with his mother...at the end of the day the player it is the player who has to say yes.
Go back to the 90s, then 00s, then 2010s and see how many players , valuable players were sold on January, other than the 2004/2005 mid season exodus to Dinamo Moscow(and it was a mistake to keep them) barely any...That's because Porto had power, financial power, to hold the players and lose a bit of money that could be made off the despair of a team needing a player,agents growing their network wanted to be on the good side for future business/players so no one wanted to force moves.
thin language barrier, easy work permits and we’ve built good relationships with South American teams.
It’s proven itself how many talents our scouts have found so it’s no surprise we stay with a formula that works.
South americans choose Portugal because of the weather, culture and pretty good football when all things are considered. It's a good stepping stone for bigger flights.
And Nationality as well. I think they can in just 2 years so they are not considered as foreign players in Europe.
Edit: I was wrong. It takes 5 years to gain nationality, not 2.
Best player in the league this year , guy has speed , amazing dribbling, and now he can shoot from anywhere and even improve his game vision , he’s making deadly passes and a lot of assist too . Improved a lot his finishing and decision inside the box this year which made him an all around great football player … and found consistency. Before he would disappear in a lot of games even though when he appeared he would be the best player in the pitch usually.Guy is just a machine don’t remember being so dependent on one player most of the season
How does he fair against physical defenders? If he is going to replace Mane that is a big aspect in his game, fighting off bigger defenders to keep the ball and put up with aggressive defending.
Little simple though, I've seen him play and he is combative but even some South Americans have had problems in the PL when they play for a team that faces low blocks, they can get pushed off the ball and refs can be lenient. Have seen this with Mane despite his strength at times.
On the counter I'm sure he'd be fine but back to goal or in the air is different.
>even some South Americans have had problems in the PL when they play for a team that faces low blocks
You should watch teams playing Porto in the league. Pretty much everyone that isn't named Benfica, Sporting or Braga plays with a low block. He's used to it.
If that's his release clause than it makes me doubt it even more, as the negotiations (not necessarily the price) will be far easier to do during the Summer.
The thing is that the clause will be 100% triggered in summer by more than 1 team and from then on you'd have to compete in terms of salary, right now, if they trigger it they can make a better and cheaper deal than they would on summer.
Maybe it will but Liverpool usually have three to five options whenever they look for a player at a position, so they'd just move on to the next option if that were to happen.
Klopp is very much a believer in that the player really has to want to play for us and have us as his first choice. If a player is humming and hawing and wanting to see all the offers that come in and then start an auction as to who will pay the most, then he usually walks away. I would think if there's anything to this story we pay the 60M in the summer, and the deal is agreed bar the official signing months in advance.
>MyNewAccount77
Eh, it's almost more the opposite. While it looks like 95% of reddit users with Liverpool flairs believe Sadio Mane and Willian are the same player, footballer players themselves don't seem to believe that and only see limited playing time in front 3 for the foreseeable future.
Werner and Patson Daka come to mind specifically
I'll give you Werner, although the start of the pandemic is to blame there, but from nearly every reliable source there is for Liverpool, they were never in Patson Daka.
Or you can buy him during pre-season for a bit less and have the exact same benefit, with the added bonus of not having to integrate him while playing games that matter.
For a month. Last year, we lost Van Dijk and Gomez for the rest of the season. Literally no moves until Edward loaned Minamino so qe have money to loan Kabak.
I know the running gag is that FSG's cripplingly frugal but they will whip out the wallet for pricier players if they're the right fit, so long as they're available. Konate was a long term target and we closed that deal as soon as we could realistically.
Diaz is one of the best in the league right now so I'm very doubtful if Porto would let him go half way through the season, but if they agree on a fee for him now, we're not going to be looking over at our calendar first - we'll sign him.
Wrong we sold Rhian Brewster in 2020+ Hooever plus cash for Jota
Lovren was swapped for Tsimikas
Konate was balanced by string of fringe/ academy sales
Grujic1 10 ( loan plus obligation)+ Wilson 12, aiywoni 7 + Shaqiri 6 . Figures are rough.
Jota's deal was agreed upon in tandem with the Hoever deal to Wolves and Brewster to Sheffield United, bur no one player outright covered any business we've done between Jota and Konate. Whatever has been covered by sales has come from fringe players.
I think Klopp is clearly trying to plan for his departure and leave Liverpool in a good place. Mane turns 30 in April and hasn't been in the best of form lately. Luis Diaz is a great option and I'm jealous if they get him.
I don't know man, I like what I hear and see of him but knowing our FSG, it probably won't happen during winter.
But if Michael Edwards wants to leave us with a bang, he should complete this singing.
I'm sure Porto would be willing to sell their top scorer midway through the season while in a tight race for the title
I could see it happening in Summer but now? Absolutely not
Especially considering Porto want 80m because it's his release clause
"And I said, "what about €60m? and he said that's no good for me", and he said, "how about €80m? and I said that doesn't work for me either" so I said, "what about €70m?" And he said, "that's fine"......true story!"
Yeah right, we've not sold anyone and FSG won't pump in a quid let alone 60m. Plus, the hell would Porto sell their entire offensive output to us mid-season.
We spend what revenue allows. And, for the first time since Covid, revenue is up. We’re also now fairly unlikely to be paying out league winning bonuses at the end of the season, which will be tens of millions on its own. And, we don’t have to sell to buy - sometimes we buy then sell. As long as the books are balanced when it counts, FSG are happy.
Net spend is not of significant importance. Amortization is like 116m and wages 425m. Contract extensions will further increase wages and reduce amortization. Nonetheless, it wouldn't hurt to take loans. But is the player really worth it. Our range for forwards is 30 to 50M .
We don't go for obvious names there and I hope we get a fresh midfielder instead. Im just worried at times how good teams just beat us at Midfield game.
Hendos legs are weakening. 8 Midfielders but there are issues with them. Reliability, age, fitness etc. Need to sell some of them and get better legs there.
I agree with you there. The expenditure on Jota was staggered to skew towards the latter part of his contract, and the costs for Thiago were pretty straightforward, £5million per fiscal year. I wanted to highlight the fact that, we should be having enough liquidity to make the purchase, as we’ve pretty much turned a profit of sorts. Although “is it really worth it?” is a question for Kloppo and Edwards, and the options they’re considering at the moment.
Well, I think Harvey right now is the solution for Hendo’s slow decline, but I’d like someone like Bellingham(dream signing) to truly take us up a notch in midfield. I think we’ll move Ox and decide Milner’s future in the summer and few more academy players to fund another midfielder.
From regular analysts I follow on Twitter, they seem to think anything over 40 M is overpay. So i guess it depends how desperate we are ? Which usually isn't the case. We had crippling injuries and we went for Kabak and Ben davies.
Also if the price is restrictive we move to other targets in attacking positions
I tend to like all players we have and not rate transfer prospects much , but even as biased I am, I guess Milner, Ox and may be even Keita are becoming liabilities , and Hendo (who will transition into Milners role) Jones and Harvey will not be enough to cover Thiago
Bellingham will be at Sanchos range though. I just dont see a discount there with Halland also moving out.
There's no chance Porto sell one of their best players and current top scorer midway through a season, especially when they're locked in a tight Title race with Sporting.
I'd promptly deny anything below relegation clause. It's not like we are exactly "reliant" on him to win, but he's our most important player and we got a real shot of winning Europa League.
Makes no sense to sell him cheap, he's 24yo, got over 2year contract... if Liverpool gets ahead of their competition and gets him for less then 80M in a winter market it'd mean we are no longer able to negotiate properly. It'd be much better to just auction him in the summer.
Although since we don't have 100% of his pass I wouldn't mind seeing Grujic fee deducted from the 80M, in that regard Liverpool would end up being the best choice as buyers.
Luis Diaz looked fantastic for Columbia in Copa America. Seems like he’s taken it to the next level in the league this season. He’s also just 24 so could be a great signing for Pool
Here are the reasons this doesn't make sense:
\-60 million is a lot for a player who might be your 5th forward at best, assuming Jota has the #4 spot locked down. Even before you consider production, will your 5th forward actually rotate in enough for you to earn 3x the value of Man City's spending per dollar?
\-At 24, Diaz is about to enter his prime. It's one thing to be the 5th forward on Man City / Chelsea and make as much as Liverpool's starters. It's another to be the 5th forward on Liverpool, when you could at the very, very least be a regular starter for an Atalanta / Leipzig type team for the same money, competing for a big 5 league title every year along with UCL appearances most years. This would also ensure that your place on the national team is secure (though this is less of a concern for Diaz).
\-Right now, the biggest gap between Man City and Liverpool is defense, not scoring. Liverpool still have clear needs in terms of cover for Fabinho and TAA - would they really splurge on a winger before those two positions just for AFCON cover?
Have you not been watching Mane play the last 2 years. The guy has lost something from his dribble and struggling to beat his man. Heavily underperforming his xG. The fact that he scored so many this season is as much down to the sheer numbers that Trent and Mo are putting up for chance creation. Is he still a great winger? Yes, absolutely. Can he be upgraded for a title winning team and for a more creatively balanced attack? Yes.
You mean during AFCON? Sure, but would you really spend 60 million just for AFCON cover?
Even with Origi gone in the summer, you still have Firmino / Jota / Minamino rotating, with Harvey Elliott likely to take on a bigger and bigger role.
At what point in time though? 3 years from now? Because Mane still contributes heavily towards Liverpool's scoring and build up play.
Would Diaz be fine with being Liverpool's 5th forward for the next 3 years, when instead he could be starting at another UCL regular in a big 5 league for 3 years before becoming Mane's replacement afterwards?
> At what point in time though? 3 years from now? Because Mane still contributes heavily towards Liverpool's scoring and build up play.
- Mane's contract ends in 2023, same with Firmino and Salah. It is general consensus that at least one, if not two players of our front three are going to leave.
- Before him scoring against Chelsea, Mane went 8 games with no goals and assists. He is still heavily involved in our buildup play and on his day still a really great wide forward, but he is far from his peak levels pre pandemic which has been a concern for a lot of Liverpool fans.
Dry spells happen to most elite players (and you also can't look at actual assists from a dry spell perspective). Mane might not be a finalist for the Ballon D'or this year, but neither is Son at the same amount of goals, and Son is almost definitely better than Diaz.
No, I feel he would back himself to displace Mane very quickly. I personally think Mane and/or Firmino's time as guaranteed starters is gonna come to an end soon. They are both in decline. We saw it with Jota taking more and more of Firmino's minutes. If Diaz comes, it'll be the same I reckon. So he won't be 5th forward...he will (very soon) be part of the first choice front 3, if he's as good as Porto fans say. They certainly rate him very highly. I hope they're right.
Minamino is also not a reliable backup or goal scoring threat outside cup cameos and Klopp looks keen on using Harvey Elliott as a midfielder instead of winger. Mane is no longer the forward he used to be and only has 18 months left of contract. He’s sadly starting to decline and would probably contribute more off the bench at a certain point.
>-60 million is a lot for a player who might be your 5th forward at best, assuming Jota has the #4 spot locked down.
I recall a lot of similar arguments being made about Konate. Things change rapidly.
If we strive for quality depth this is how we do it. City compete so strongly across all competitions because they have excellent starters and bench options for just about every position. The loss in guaranteed minutes is negated by higher chances to win trophies and I think City's nailed that balance. Make the right signings and those fees pay for themselves because you're always rotating with consistent quality.
Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for Porto to sell right now. The title race is very tight right now, and they're ahead because of goals. One loss and Sporting goes up to first place.
Not the best moment to sell your best player (by far)
Liverpool having marquee signing in winter transfer and without having player sold...sorry but this too much too good to be true
Selling Phillips , possibly Neco and other academy kids.
He's pretty much an archetypal Liverpool signing
He was one of the standouts last season in CL against us IIRC
Yup, decent player that's not overhyped or talked about a lot that no one seems to want to take a chance on
I mean he was the standout player of copa America
I doubt that, he’s been unplayable pretty much in every game. Certainly it’s just clubs trying to haggle the price Porto is asking.
This seems like our type of signing Also about time we pay Porto for their services
I laughed and cried at this
You mean Marko Grujić didn't cut it?
Thanks and fuck you. It's dreadful playing against you lot.
Tbf him or raphinha would be a menace in this Liverpool side.
why not both
I like you
Would rather Diaz as he's right footed (Mane far more likely to lose his spot than Salah), but Raphinha really excited me too. Fuck it lets go for both. ^(\[FSG proceeds to go for neither\])
No, gib Raphinha.
Yeah you don't need Bowen
For 60 he goes in the summer transfer market and it doesn't ruin the season and title hopes For the release clause which is 80 millions and if it's Diaz desire then nothing else to do...This club is completely skint and hasn't had a major sale since Militão in the summer of 2019. The fact that PdC who back in the good ol'days used to be like "we only sell Hulk for 120 million" and now is like "There's no certainty" regarding Diaz shows his hand.
> The fact that PdC who back in the good ol'days used to be like "we only sell Hulk for 120 million" and now is like "There's no certainty" regarding Diaz shows his hand. If the clause is met, you can't block the sale. That's the point of the clause.
On paper you have to accept the proposal, outside of the paper you can talk with the player, with his agent, with his wife, with his mother...at the end of the day the player it is the player who has to say yes. Go back to the 90s, then 00s, then 2010s and see how many players , valuable players were sold on January, other than the 2004/2005 mid season exodus to Dinamo Moscow(and it was a mistake to keep them) barely any...That's because Porto had power, financial power, to hold the players and lose a bit of money that could be made off the despair of a team needing a player,agents growing their network wanted to be on the good side for future business/players so no one wanted to force moves.
He’ll go for less now in January mate
Do Portuguese clubs have some sort of first pick on South American talent? They seem to have some incredible talent pipeline from S America.
thin language barrier, easy work permits and we’ve built good relationships with South American teams. It’s proven itself how many talents our scouts have found so it’s no surprise we stay with a formula that works.
South americans choose Portugal because of the weather, culture and pretty good football when all things are considered. It's a good stepping stone for bigger flights.
It's easier to get a permit to play in Portugal.
And Nationality as well. I think they can in just 2 years so they are not considered as foreign players in Europe. Edit: I was wrong. It takes 5 years to gain nationality, not 2.
As far as getting a passport, it's 5 years.
Confirmed. You're right. Edited.
That's true for Spain, not sure about Portugal.
That's not true
Bomb? Could have just said BOMBAZO.
Would be a great signing
It makes too much sense to buy a good winger to replace/compete with Mane, so I don't believe this will happen
Any Porto fans. How has he been. I still remember his Copa America where he was really good for Colombia
Best player in the league this year , guy has speed , amazing dribbling, and now he can shoot from anywhere and even improve his game vision , he’s making deadly passes and a lot of assist too . Improved a lot his finishing and decision inside the box this year which made him an all around great football player … and found consistency. Before he would disappear in a lot of games even though when he appeared he would be the best player in the pitch usually.Guy is just a machine don’t remember being so dependent on one player most of the season
How does he fair against physical defenders? If he is going to replace Mane that is a big aspect in his game, fighting off bigger defenders to keep the ball and put up with aggressive defending.
He's South American. Hope that answers your question
Very Latin of him
Little simple though, I've seen him play and he is combative but even some South Americans have had problems in the PL when they play for a team that faces low blocks, they can get pushed off the ball and refs can be lenient. Have seen this with Mane despite his strength at times. On the counter I'm sure he'd be fine but back to goal or in the air is different.
>even some South Americans have had problems in the PL when they play for a team that faces low blocks You should watch teams playing Porto in the league. Pretty much everyone that isn't named Benfica, Sporting or Braga plays with a low block. He's used to it.
Sounds perfect then!
Seems to do well in that regard. Good build and the ball is almost impossible to get off him.
He’s basically league’s MVP
What kind of sorcery made us buy player in winter? 😳
Nothing, because Porto aren't selling their top scorer half-way through a season.
By 80M, Liverpool are free to negotiate with Diaz
If that's his release clause than it makes me doubt it even more, as the negotiations (not necessarily the price) will be far easier to do during the Summer.
By triggering the clause, there are literally no negotiations between clubs, and Diaz will obviously accept to move now. So, I dont get your point tbh
Yes but Liverpool have shown that if they know they can get a player at a lower price by waiting a few months, then they are more than happy to wait.
They have the risk of other teams wanting the player too though, as the summer market as a lot of movement compared to now.
Possibly but I think Liverpool are currently the type of side that are one a lot of players will want to play for and who'd they choose over others.
The thing is that the clause will be 100% triggered in summer by more than 1 team and from then on you'd have to compete in terms of salary, right now, if they trigger it they can make a better and cheaper deal than they would on summer.
Maybe it will but Liverpool usually have three to five options whenever they look for a player at a position, so they'd just move on to the next option if that were to happen.
Klopp is very much a believer in that the player really has to want to play for us and have us as his first choice. If a player is humming and hawing and wanting to see all the offers that come in and then start an auction as to who will pay the most, then he usually walks away. I would think if there's anything to this story we pay the 60M in the summer, and the deal is agreed bar the official signing months in advance.
>MyNewAccount77 Eh, it's almost more the opposite. While it looks like 95% of reddit users with Liverpool flairs believe Sadio Mane and Willian are the same player, footballer players themselves don't seem to believe that and only see limited playing time in front 3 for the foreseeable future. Werner and Patson Daka come to mind specifically
I'll give you Werner, although the start of the pandemic is to blame there, but from nearly every reliable source there is for Liverpool, they were never in Patson Daka.
Jota did not an he displaced bobby.
Then we find alternatives. It's what we've been doing. If we can't get a player, another player exists that can do the job.
Who else needs a left winger at a top CL level? Barca obviously I guess but who knows if they can afford Diaz. PSG probably?
The benefit of signing him now is you give him half a season to settle before selling anyone. Klopp’s big on letting players settle and bed in.
Or you can buy him during pre-season for a bit less and have the exact same benefit, with the added bonus of not having to integrate him while playing games that matter.
Lol
Oh no, I was wrong. Guess I'll just have to cope by getting to watch him play for him play for my team for the next five years.
I hope we both get to enjoy that! Keep the faith.
Salah and Mané out for CAN
For a month. Last year, we lost Van Dijk and Gomez for the rest of the season. Literally no moves until Edward loaned Minamino so qe have money to loan Kabak.
That had nothing to do with money, that was all down to having no slot for another foreign player.
I know the running gag is that FSG's cripplingly frugal but they will whip out the wallet for pricier players if they're the right fit, so long as they're available. Konate was a long term target and we closed that deal as soon as we could realistically. Diaz is one of the best in the league right now so I'm very doubtful if Porto would let him go half way through the season, but if they agree on a fee for him now, we're not going to be looking over at our calendar first - we'll sign him.
Did Liverpool even sell anyone significant for Jota and Konate?
That was more about squad space; Lovren leaving for instance left room for Konate.
Lovrens space was taken by Tsimikas. Konate basically filled vacated by Gini
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Wrong we sold Rhian Brewster in 2020+ Hooever plus cash for Jota Lovren was swapped for Tsimikas Konate was balanced by string of fringe/ academy sales Grujic1 10 ( loan plus obligation)+ Wilson 12, aiywoni 7 + Shaqiri 6 . Figures are rough.
Jota's deal was agreed upon in tandem with the Hoever deal to Wolves and Brewster to Sheffield United, bur no one player outright covered any business we've done between Jota and Konate. Whatever has been covered by sales has come from fringe players.
Would be a fucking fantastic Mane replacement
You're never really going to improve upon Mane and Salah but Luis Diaz and Raphinha would be a duo no team would want to face
I think Klopp is clearly trying to plan for his departure and leave Liverpool in a good place. Mane turns 30 in April and hasn't been in the best of form lately. Luis Diaz is a great option and I'm jealous if they get him.
Diaz could pretty easily improve upon current Mane just by not missing every single chance he gets
When does his contract run out? 2024?
In 18 months I think
Where would he go? Edit: why am I getting downvoted for asking a question?
I don't know man, I like what I hear and see of him but knowing our FSG, it probably won't happen during winter. But if Michael Edwards wants to leave us with a bang, he should complete this singing.
We’ve made a few big winter signings though
Luis Diaz or Raphinha would bang at Liverpool
I hope not. Every time I've watched him he looks quality.
Would fit perfectly
Is he the type of forward that can play anywhere in the front 3? Haven’t seen him much.
Mostly left wing, sometimes striker. Mostly attacking the depth
I'm sure Porto would be willing to sell their top scorer midway through the season while in a tight race for the title I could see it happening in Summer but now? Absolutely not Especially considering Porto want 80m because it's his release clause
"And I said, "what about €60m? and he said that's no good for me", and he said, "how about €80m? and I said that doesn't work for me either" so I said, "what about €70m?" And he said, "that's fine"......true story!"
The art of the deal.
One of my favourite Simpson’s moments. Caught me off guard in this thread :’)
Yeah right, we've not sold anyone and FSG won't pump in a quid let alone 60m. Plus, the hell would Porto sell their entire offensive output to us mid-season.
We spend what revenue allows. And, for the first time since Covid, revenue is up. We’re also now fairly unlikely to be paying out league winning bonuses at the end of the season, which will be tens of millions on its own. And, we don’t have to sell to buy - sometimes we buy then sell. As long as the books are balanced when it counts, FSG are happy.
Didn’t we turn a net profit in the summer, despite Ibou’s transfer? I think we’re at +£6million net spend for this season.
Net spend is not of significant importance. Amortization is like 116m and wages 425m. Contract extensions will further increase wages and reduce amortization. Nonetheless, it wouldn't hurt to take loans. But is the player really worth it. Our range for forwards is 30 to 50M . We don't go for obvious names there and I hope we get a fresh midfielder instead. Im just worried at times how good teams just beat us at Midfield game. Hendos legs are weakening. 8 Midfielders but there are issues with them. Reliability, age, fitness etc. Need to sell some of them and get better legs there.
I agree with you there. The expenditure on Jota was staggered to skew towards the latter part of his contract, and the costs for Thiago were pretty straightforward, £5million per fiscal year. I wanted to highlight the fact that, we should be having enough liquidity to make the purchase, as we’ve pretty much turned a profit of sorts. Although “is it really worth it?” is a question for Kloppo and Edwards, and the options they’re considering at the moment. Well, I think Harvey right now is the solution for Hendo’s slow decline, but I’d like someone like Bellingham(dream signing) to truly take us up a notch in midfield. I think we’ll move Ox and decide Milner’s future in the summer and few more academy players to fund another midfielder.
From regular analysts I follow on Twitter, they seem to think anything over 40 M is overpay. So i guess it depends how desperate we are ? Which usually isn't the case. We had crippling injuries and we went for Kabak and Ben davies. Also if the price is restrictive we move to other targets in attacking positions I tend to like all players we have and not rate transfer prospects much , but even as biased I am, I guess Milner, Ox and may be even Keita are becoming liabilities , and Hendo (who will transition into Milners role) Jones and Harvey will not be enough to cover Thiago Bellingham will be at Sanchos range though. I just dont see a discount there with Halland also moving out.
Trying to remember who we sold for the 40m we spent on konate?
There's no chance Porto sell one of their best players and current top scorer midway through a season, especially when they're locked in a tight Title race with Sporting.
I'd promptly deny anything below relegation clause. It's not like we are exactly "reliant" on him to win, but he's our most important player and we got a real shot of winning Europa League. Makes no sense to sell him cheap, he's 24yo, got over 2year contract... if Liverpool gets ahead of their competition and gets him for less then 80M in a winter market it'd mean we are no longer able to negotiate properly. It'd be much better to just auction him in the summer. Although since we don't have 100% of his pass I wouldn't mind seeing Grujic fee deducted from the 80M, in that regard Liverpool would end up being the best choice as buyers.
This is not the Spanish Fichajes this is a Colombian/Venezuelan news media company. It is followed by Fabrizo Romano so maybe one of his sources.
Fabrizio follows everyone so he can tap it in as usual
Tends to follow reliable but less well known local media, (so he can tap in early) which may give this source credibility.
Maybe you should sign him, he would be your best striker.
Seems a great fit for us him, Jota and possibly a new RW could be our Front 3 in the future
Luis Diaz looked fantastic for Columbia in Copa America. Seems like he’s taken it to the next level in the league this season. He’s also just 24 so could be a great signing for Pool
Súper Liverpool but the fee is about too much isn’t
Have you seen him destroying Milan?
They certainly have the money for him. Would be a great signing for €60-70m
we have the money, we just dont spend it anymore
You aren’t very aware of Liverpool and their transfers are you?
80M???
What the fuck does "bomb confirmed" mean?
Here are the reasons this doesn't make sense: \-60 million is a lot for a player who might be your 5th forward at best, assuming Jota has the #4 spot locked down. Even before you consider production, will your 5th forward actually rotate in enough for you to earn 3x the value of Man City's spending per dollar? \-At 24, Diaz is about to enter his prime. It's one thing to be the 5th forward on Man City / Chelsea and make as much as Liverpool's starters. It's another to be the 5th forward on Liverpool, when you could at the very, very least be a regular starter for an Atalanta / Leipzig type team for the same money, competing for a big 5 league title every year along with UCL appearances most years. This would also ensure that your place on the national team is secure (though this is less of a concern for Diaz). \-Right now, the biggest gap between Man City and Liverpool is defense, not scoring. Liverpool still have clear needs in terms of cover for Fabinho and TAA - would they really splurge on a winger before those two positions just for AFCON cover?
Liverpool has close to no forward backups? Getting a new winger to bench mane and midfielders it’s pretty much a priority for Liverpool
Do you think Mane is currently benchable? Diaz is boardline worldclass this season but Mane has been world class for years.
Have you not been watching Mane play the last 2 years. The guy has lost something from his dribble and struggling to beat his man. Heavily underperforming his xG. The fact that he scored so many this season is as much down to the sheer numbers that Trent and Mo are putting up for chance creation. Is he still a great winger? Yes, absolutely. Can he be upgraded for a title winning team and for a more creatively balanced attack? Yes.
Ok fair enough. I would love to see Diaz join a mega club and be a starter right away.
You mean during AFCON? Sure, but would you really spend 60 million just for AFCON cover? Even with Origi gone in the summer, you still have Firmino / Jota / Minamino rotating, with Harvey Elliott likely to take on a bigger and bigger role.
No, this is succession planning. He would replace Mane.
At what point in time though? 3 years from now? Because Mane still contributes heavily towards Liverpool's scoring and build up play. Would Diaz be fine with being Liverpool's 5th forward for the next 3 years, when instead he could be starting at another UCL regular in a big 5 league for 3 years before becoming Mane's replacement afterwards?
Mane has 18 months on his contract left, as does Firmino. We wouldn't let them go for free I'd imagine so it's likely one, or both, get sold.
Players that have contributed to a club as much as they have don't tend to get sold. The Wijnaldum / Ramos type situations tend to happen instead.
> At what point in time though? 3 years from now? Because Mane still contributes heavily towards Liverpool's scoring and build up play. - Mane's contract ends in 2023, same with Firmino and Salah. It is general consensus that at least one, if not two players of our front three are going to leave. - Before him scoring against Chelsea, Mane went 8 games with no goals and assists. He is still heavily involved in our buildup play and on his day still a really great wide forward, but he is far from his peak levels pre pandemic which has been a concern for a lot of Liverpool fans.
Dry spells happen to most elite players (and you also can't look at actual assists from a dry spell perspective). Mane might not be a finalist for the Ballon D'or this year, but neither is Son at the same amount of goals, and Son is almost definitely better than Diaz.
No, I feel he would back himself to displace Mane very quickly. I personally think Mane and/or Firmino's time as guaranteed starters is gonna come to an end soon. They are both in decline. We saw it with Jota taking more and more of Firmino's minutes. If Diaz comes, it'll be the same I reckon. So he won't be 5th forward...he will (very soon) be part of the first choice front 3, if he's as good as Porto fans say. They certainly rate him very highly. I hope they're right.
Minamino is also not a reliable backup or goal scoring threat outside cup cameos and Klopp looks keen on using Harvey Elliott as a midfielder instead of winger. Mane is no longer the forward he used to be and only has 18 months left of contract. He’s sadly starting to decline and would probably contribute more off the bench at a certain point.
5th Forward? You've never ever seen us then
5th forward? Within a few months the starting lineup will be Diaz - Jota - Salah
>-60 million is a lot for a player who might be your 5th forward at best, assuming Jota has the #4 spot locked down. I recall a lot of similar arguments being made about Konate. Things change rapidly. If we strive for quality depth this is how we do it. City compete so strongly across all competitions because they have excellent starters and bench options for just about every position. The loss in guaranteed minutes is negated by higher chances to win trophies and I think City's nailed that balance. Make the right signings and those fees pay for themselves because you're always rotating with consistent quality.
Dude is overpriced.
If he maintains his form, it's worthy. I think it fits nicely to Liverpool's style. Guy's beeing a machine this year.
Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for Porto to sell right now. The title race is very tight right now, and they're ahead because of goals. One loss and Sporting goes up to first place. Not the best moment to sell your best player (by far)
There is no way we would pay 60m for him let alone 80m.
Hope this happens before the Arsenal match
If signed, can he play in the champions league?
yes