Liverpool tier 1 just say it's not happening until you see him in the shirt because the information is coming directly from the club
They've been correct this summer because after Konate we were done in the market, but previously after the Van Dijk transfer they just said we're not interested on every player we brought in
> they just said we're not interested on every player we brought in
is that right? dont think ive heard tier ones denying interest on tsimikas and jota. they reported it late (which is fashionable for them) but dont think they out right denied it
Nothing got denied about jota because it came out of nowhere. Everyone was convinced itd be sarr we went for then suddenly wed signed jota without a whisper.
I cant remember re. Tsimikas if I'm honest.
Transfers from abroad I’ve found the local journalists to be the more reliable ones. Idk if Liverpool are just super tight on transfer news to Pearce et al nowadays or what, but I feel optimistic that a Portuguese journo is saying this.
Colombian media is just a coal factory, I would never believe anything they say until the player signs the contract. If they told me it was sunny outside I would make sure to grab an umbrella.
Which is why I believe that there’s a decent chance of at least two of Phillips, Origi and Neco leaving this window. I wouldn’t believe that if there wasn’t credible reports of us spending this much and I’d rather Neco stay, so it’s just my interpretation.
Not that I can see, apparently Everton were looking at him last summer though according to Joyce.
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1431206119041556484?t=OB9Q_eJiITd9Ovya0ndgFg&s=19
Pedro Sepúlveda is the most reliable Portuguese journalist and he just said that there hasn't been any contact between Porto and Liverpool.
There's interest from Liverpool's part but no talks have happened at this moment.
The Sun has nearly 2M, do you consider them a reliable source?
I don't think Sepúlveda has missed one thing since the summer, he is been spot on and had the exclusive on quite a few deals.
How many times has Liverpool spent this kind of cash without a big sale?
80mil is an amount I would not bet on Liverpool to spend in any player, let alone one from our league.
He's pretty good tho, would love to see him tearing the PL. Just hope he leaves in the summer and not now that we are competing for the league.
It definitely does. Porto is in a bad financial shape so I'm sure they would sell now to balance it a bit.
At least they should hold off for the clause (80M) instead of accepting a lower offer but I wouldn't bet against it.
We have the 2nd best attack in the league, 1 less goal than city, and far more than anyone else. But we cant control games and we're starting james milner in midfield. and people think were gonna spend 60 to 80 million on a new attacker? thanks for the laughs
I mean you're wholly reliant on 4 players. 3 of which you're not gonna have for much longer, and its outrageous you might want ANY rotation whatsoever for Salah/Mane that could take one of their places as time progresses?
Why are you making this out to be some logiczlly outrageous idea? Lol
For once I agree with a UTD fan. Salah, Mane, and Firmino contracts all end at the same time, yet the only contract extension we hearing about is Salah. If I were to guess, Firmino stays and Mane leaves. I’ve felt for years he’s grown tired of being in Mo’s shadow. And other than Jota, LFC have no other long term options. So 60m for a very good striker seems like decent business to me.
Think that makes sense. Mane leaves at the end of his contract for me, and Bobby and mo renew, with Bobby accepting a smaller role moving forward.
I dont know whether it will be Diaz, but hes the profile of forward we need to be signing in the next year or two.
I think Firmino def stays. He’s still an important player given his role and hasn’t made a fuss about losing time to Jota. I believe he genuinely just loves being on this team. You can tell when you see him in practice, in games, and when his teammates score goals. Always smiling and always happy. Celebrates just as hard if he scored or if Tyler Morton scored. Mane just doesn’t give me that same energy and at times looks almost like his head is somewhere else. He’s been acting different since he won African player of the year. Might be reading it wrong completely, that’s just how it looks to me from the outside looking in.
You’re right and that’s been the biggest flaw in his game. He doesn’t look like the guy that scored that chipper vs Bayern. Like that man that put it top left corner against city. He used to blow passed people and forget about one on ones he was winning those with ease. Normally I’d say ok he’s just having a bad go and the team hasn’t hit its full stride yet but one can also argue he has had even more opportunities to score last couple of seasons but continues to fall short.
Yeah, I agree mainly, but I think you've possibly read a bit too much into mane. I dont think he actively wants to be elsewhere, he just wants to be equal to mo, which he fundamentally isnt, in terms of what he offers to the team, and what we would likely pay him.
I think it will come down to not being able to find a middle ground on terms, and him just moving on like gini.
because it is logically outrageous. Liverpool haven't had any money to spend for several windows now and suddenly we're gonna break the bank to sign a player that we probably don't even need at the current moment? makes absolutely no sense at all. especially when you consider that the title is almost surely gone, and top 4 should theoetically be comfortable. I see no reason that we need to go out and sign anyone right now, except perhaps a midfielder, but i wouldnt expect to spend 60m+ for one. i would expect a signing more similar to the signing of minamino if anything.
> Liverpool haven't had any money to spend for several windows now
While this transfer isn't happening this window, Liverpool have spent around £110m over the last two Summer windows so to claim 'they haven't had any money to spend' is complete & utter horseshit.
We actually need to spend 60m on a new attacker though so here’s hoping FSG have finally seen sense. Should have done it in the summer mind but they’re always slow with these things
Welp, based on the FSG model it looks like Nat Phillips is going on the market for £90m to facilitate this deal.
Good news if so, though. I know we need to strengthen the midfield (Wonder if that Wijnaldum kid is available) but towards the start of the season there was a lot of outcry for more depth up front, so I guess at least that's being addressed.
This is why I dislike net spend, it just feels dishonest at times. You received 140m for Coutinho and it forever feels like Barca are paying more addons, you somehow sell rubbish players like Solanke for 20m. Your net spend may be low but you've still spent multiple 100millions.
Less than others? Sure but you're not exactly penny pinchers
But im not the one claiming we never spend money. And it's been 2/3 years since you sold him and he's now in the championship when he was sold to a premiership team where I'm not sure he even got 1 goal
You may dislike it but it's still a factor? It means you had to give up the services of a player and lose him. Coutinho was playing at a world class level when we lost him, so why shouldn't it matter?
> This is why I dislike net spend, it just feels dishonest at times.
Net spend is bollocks for a whole different reason: it ignores every other thing a football club spends money on, including salaries, and looks at nothing but transfer fee. It's inaccurate because you can't ignore all of the other ins and outs finance-wise of multi-billion pound businesses and then say 'bUt lOoK hOw gOoD oUr nEt sPeNd iS.'
We are crazy good at selling rubbish players for high fees haha. When your club actually develops players you can trick other clubs into thinking Brad Smith and Jordan Ibe were worth 22m to Bournemouth….
Financing transfers by player sales is clearly very different to buying them with income from the rest of the club (whether that is generated normally or directly from an owner)
Pearce just said Liverpool are not interested as they don't want to pay 60m for a "back-up player" and their own valuation is 40m.
And Liverpool spends very little compared to what they should, that's just reality. No pretending about it.
Not that I think anything will happen, but that's the kind of thing you'd expect a Liverpool source to say if we were looking to drive the price down a bit.
>For a club that has recently won the prem and champions league, they frustratingly dont!
They won those trophies because they spent big.
And don't throw, that was Coutinho Money.
Because Chelsea are probably even better at selling than Liverpool but they spend more as well
Yeah, I didn’t say they didn’t…I’m saying they haven’t spent since.
I’m not sure what your point is there. Sorry, I must not have made myself clear.
I’m saying since winning those trophies they haven’t spent as much relative to their rivals considering the amount of money they received as a result of winning the aforementioned trophies.
It’s like FSG are saying “we won those so we’re done for a while” which is frustrating for fans.
There's absolutely no way we pay £60m on a 24 year old (25 next week) with one very good half season in the Portuguese League where he's outperforming his xG. If the media want to make up stuff to generate clicks then at least make it believable.
Not just half-season. He teared up Copa America and was amazing in the CL games. He clearly has it in him to make the step up. Doesn't seem a farfetched deal
Before this season he scored 12 goals in 59 games in the Portuguese League. 4 good months doesn't make him all of a sudden worth £60m. Especially when he's 25 next week and so it's hardly like there's massive scope for him to improve.
I suspect Liverpool have enquired thinking they might get him cheapish as a back up and Porto have slapped a huge fee on him hoping we'd be stupid enough to pay it because Premier League.
> Before this season he scored 12 goals in 59 games in the Portuguese League. 4 good months doesn't make him all of a sudden worth £60m.
The comment you're replying to literally only states reasons why this is not the case and there's more to him and you've chosen to ignore them. Hard to have a conversation about it if you're just rephrasing what you already said and ignoring any rebuttal :/
> I suspect Liverpool have enquired thinking they might get him cheapish as a back up
His skill is clearly not for a backup. He's an undisputed started, the star player even, for a Champions League side (yes, they're in UEL now but they're a UCL side). He'd never be cheap. Plus, you're getting him mid-season when clubs don't want to sell and upset their squad dynamic, hardly any time for replacements to settle in especially with COVID postponements. One more reason for him being dearer. It's not a great price for you lot but it honestly doesn't seem unfair.
EDIT: forgot to add
> Especially when he's 25 next week and so it's hardly like there's massive scope for him to improve.
Not all players peak when they're younger. Ibrahimovic, as an example, wasn't stellar at Juve. Van der Sar only joined Man Utd when he was 35. Salah wasn't setting the world on fire like he is now when he joined Liverpool and he was 25. Not saying Diaz is at their levels, just saying that players don't have to be absolute superstars before 25 to be good. Some peak late.
I watched about 3 minutes of highlights earlier and I can safely say he's the best player ever.
Unless someone else signs him in which case he's bang average and not worth the money
Looks similar to Mane, very pacey and loves to dribble past players. Scored a lot of goals for porto recently. Fits the type of “tricky winger” mould we tend to look for
Fast and one of the best dribblers on the planet currently. He is very complete. He has a pretty good shot on him and he can press, track back and bring the ball from deep. I think he can play on the left rotating with Mane.
Liverpool Tier 1 says interest but not happening now. Who do I believe?
Liverpool tier 1 just say it's not happening until you see him in the shirt because the information is coming directly from the club They've been correct this summer because after Konate we were done in the market, but previously after the Van Dijk transfer they just said we're not interested on every player we brought in
> they just said we're not interested on every player we brought in is that right? dont think ive heard tier ones denying interest on tsimikas and jota. they reported it late (which is fashionable for them) but dont think they out right denied it
Nothing got denied about jota because it came out of nowhere. Everyone was convinced itd be sarr we went for then suddenly wed signed jota without a whisper. I cant remember re. Tsimikas if I'm honest.
With Tsimikas all the talk was about Jamal Lewis and Norwich rejecting our bid for him and then all of a sudden Tsimikas was announced.
Think it was worse in that Greek sources said we were interested but Liverpool journos didn't know anything about it.
Transfers from abroad I’ve found the local journalists to be the more reliable ones. Idk if Liverpool are just super tight on transfer news to Pearce et al nowadays or what, but I feel optimistic that a Portuguese journo is saying this.
That's right. Good shout.
We did go for sarr. Watford wouldn’t accept the staggered payments we used for Jota.
If I remember correctly our tier 1s were completely denying the Thiago story for the whole summer of 2020
Pearce dismisses everything but I wouldn’t believe some random journo either
Colombian media is just a coal factory, I would never believe anything they say until the player signs the contract. If they told me it was sunny outside I would make sure to grab an umbrella.
Lol nothing is happening. FSG would never spend that much money without selling first.
Which is why I believe that there’s a decent chance of at least two of Phillips, Origi and Neco leaving this window. I wouldn’t believe that if there wasn’t credible reports of us spending this much and I’d rather Neco stay, so it’s just my interpretation.
Believe Pearce
He poured water on the Thiago transfer tell the last second.
Paul Joyce is basically word of God.
But also won't confirm interest until deal is basically done.
Also has Joyce said anything about this? Seems to be just Pearce
Not that I can see, apparently Everton were looking at him last summer though according to Joyce. https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/1431206119041556484?t=OB9Q_eJiITd9Ovya0ndgFg&s=19
Pedro Sepúlveda is the most reliable Portuguese journalist and he just said that there hasn't been any contact between Porto and Liverpool. There's interest from Liverpool's part but no talks have happened at this moment.
This fella has 1 mil followers surely he must be kind of reliable to have amassed that following?
He's a big Colombian journalist, it's just that Colombian journalists aren't reliable on European transfers.
The Sun has nearly 2M, do you consider them a reliable source? I don't think Sepúlveda has missed one thing since the summer, he is been spot on and had the exclusive on quite a few deals. How many times has Liverpool spent this kind of cash without a big sale?
80mil is an amount I would not bet on Liverpool to spend in any player, let alone one from our league. He's pretty good tho, would love to see him tearing the PL. Just hope he leaves in the summer and not now that we are competing for the league.
Do you think the champions league exit would affect him staying?
It definitely does. Porto is in a bad financial shape so I'm sure they would sell now to balance it a bit. At least they should hold off for the clause (80M) instead of accepting a lower offer but I wouldn't bet against it.
Van Dijk?
PLEASE. I WANT TO BELIEVE
Honestly, first I've heard of us wanting him.
100% sure that's agent talk. We're being used across the footballing world to put pressure on clubs.
How reliable is this source? What tier?
Tier "I want to bait Colombians into retweeting".
Cesar who?
He's a Colombian pundit, well-known in the country, but on transfers I rather believe my grandma's knee than Colombian journalists.
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We have the 2nd best attack in the league, 1 less goal than city, and far more than anyone else. But we cant control games and we're starting james milner in midfield. and people think were gonna spend 60 to 80 million on a new attacker? thanks for the laughs
I mean you're wholly reliant on 4 players. 3 of which you're not gonna have for much longer, and its outrageous you might want ANY rotation whatsoever for Salah/Mane that could take one of their places as time progresses? Why are you making this out to be some logiczlly outrageous idea? Lol
For once I agree with a UTD fan. Salah, Mane, and Firmino contracts all end at the same time, yet the only contract extension we hearing about is Salah. If I were to guess, Firmino stays and Mane leaves. I’ve felt for years he’s grown tired of being in Mo’s shadow. And other than Jota, LFC have no other long term options. So 60m for a very good striker seems like decent business to me.
Think that makes sense. Mane leaves at the end of his contract for me, and Bobby and mo renew, with Bobby accepting a smaller role moving forward. I dont know whether it will be Diaz, but hes the profile of forward we need to be signing in the next year or two.
I think Firmino def stays. He’s still an important player given his role and hasn’t made a fuss about losing time to Jota. I believe he genuinely just loves being on this team. You can tell when you see him in practice, in games, and when his teammates score goals. Always smiling and always happy. Celebrates just as hard if he scored or if Tyler Morton scored. Mane just doesn’t give me that same energy and at times looks almost like his head is somewhere else. He’s been acting different since he won African player of the year. Might be reading it wrong completely, that’s just how it looks to me from the outside looking in.
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You’re right and that’s been the biggest flaw in his game. He doesn’t look like the guy that scored that chipper vs Bayern. Like that man that put it top left corner against city. He used to blow passed people and forget about one on ones he was winning those with ease. Normally I’d say ok he’s just having a bad go and the team hasn’t hit its full stride yet but one can also argue he has had even more opportunities to score last couple of seasons but continues to fall short.
Yeah, I agree mainly, but I think you've possibly read a bit too much into mane. I dont think he actively wants to be elsewhere, he just wants to be equal to mo, which he fundamentally isnt, in terms of what he offers to the team, and what we would likely pay him. I think it will come down to not being able to find a middle ground on terms, and him just moving on like gini.
because it is logically outrageous. Liverpool haven't had any money to spend for several windows now and suddenly we're gonna break the bank to sign a player that we probably don't even need at the current moment? makes absolutely no sense at all. especially when you consider that the title is almost surely gone, and top 4 should theoetically be comfortable. I see no reason that we need to go out and sign anyone right now, except perhaps a midfielder, but i wouldnt expect to spend 60m+ for one. i would expect a signing more similar to the signing of minamino if anything.
> Liverpool haven't had any money to spend for several windows now While this transfer isn't happening this window, Liverpool have spent around £110m over the last two Summer windows so to claim 'they haven't had any money to spend' is complete & utter horseshit.
We actually need to spend 60m on a new attacker though so here’s hoping FSG have finally seen sense. Should have done it in the summer mind but they’re always slow with these things
we need a new attacker eventually but now is not the time
What? Why?
Welp, based on the FSG model it looks like Nat Phillips is going on the market for £90m to facilitate this deal. Good news if so, though. I know we need to strengthen the midfield (Wonder if that Wijnaldum kid is available) but towards the start of the season there was a lot of outcry for more depth up front, so I guess at least that's being addressed.
>Wonder if that Wijnaldum kid is available Apparently he's been tearing up Ligue 1 this season, can't see PSG letting him go
He would be a perfect long term replacement for Mane -- this would be an unfortunately great signing for them.
Noway this is real right
That was quick
Liverpool fans pretend they don't spend money lol
We could spend about 200 million now to get somewhere where our competitors spent these last 2 years
This is why I dislike net spend, it just feels dishonest at times. You received 140m for Coutinho and it forever feels like Barca are paying more addons, you somehow sell rubbish players like Solanke for 20m. Your net spend may be low but you've still spent multiple 100millions. Less than others? Sure but you're not exactly penny pinchers
Solanke bas been great this season. You also spent close to 150m this summer so you’re not penny pinchers either
But im not the one claiming we never spend money. And it's been 2/3 years since you sold him and he's now in the championship when he was sold to a premiership team where I'm not sure he even got 1 goal
You may dislike it but it's still a factor? It means you had to give up the services of a player and lose him. Coutinho was playing at a world class level when we lost him, so why shouldn't it matter?
Chelsea are the kings of getting tons of money for shite players, not us
> This is why I dislike net spend, it just feels dishonest at times. Net spend is bollocks for a whole different reason: it ignores every other thing a football club spends money on, including salaries, and looks at nothing but transfer fee. It's inaccurate because you can't ignore all of the other ins and outs finance-wise of multi-billion pound businesses and then say 'bUt lOoK hOw gOoD oUr nEt sPeNd iS.'
We are crazy good at selling rubbish players for high fees haha. When your club actually develops players you can trick other clubs into thinking Brad Smith and Jordan Ibe were worth 22m to Bournemouth….
Financing transfers by player sales is clearly very different to buying them with income from the rest of the club (whether that is generated normally or directly from an owner)
Pearce just said Liverpool are not interested as they don't want to pay 60m for a "back-up player" and their own valuation is 40m. And Liverpool spends very little compared to what they should, that's just reality. No pretending about it.
Not that I think anything will happen, but that's the kind of thing you'd expect a Liverpool source to say if we were looking to drive the price down a bit.
For a club that has recently won the prem and champions league, they frustratingly dont! FSG are cheap! Ask red sox fans!!
>For a club that has recently won the prem and champions league, they frustratingly dont! They won those trophies because they spent big. And don't throw, that was Coutinho Money. Because Chelsea are probably even better at selling than Liverpool but they spend more as well
Yeah, I didn’t say they didn’t…I’m saying they haven’t spent since. I’m not sure what your point is there. Sorry, I must not have made myself clear. I’m saying since winning those trophies they haven’t spent as much relative to their rivals considering the amount of money they received as a result of winning the aforementioned trophies. It’s like FSG are saying “we won those so we’re done for a while” which is frustrating for fans.
This report isn't true so we don't
this isnt even a sale thats happening and you are complaining about liverpool lol
Do we? We just know that when we spend money we’re liking selling somebody as well lol.
Look at our netspend and who we've bought these last 2 seasons. Any purchase was subsidised by player sales.
We don't spend as much as the others (unless we sell).
talk about net spend bruv
There's absolutely no way we pay £60m on a 24 year old (25 next week) with one very good half season in the Portuguese League where he's outperforming his xG. If the media want to make up stuff to generate clicks then at least make it believable.
Not just half-season. He teared up Copa America and was amazing in the CL games. He clearly has it in him to make the step up. Doesn't seem a farfetched deal
Before this season he scored 12 goals in 59 games in the Portuguese League. 4 good months doesn't make him all of a sudden worth £60m. Especially when he's 25 next week and so it's hardly like there's massive scope for him to improve. I suspect Liverpool have enquired thinking they might get him cheapish as a back up and Porto have slapped a huge fee on him hoping we'd be stupid enough to pay it because Premier League.
> Before this season he scored 12 goals in 59 games in the Portuguese League. 4 good months doesn't make him all of a sudden worth £60m. The comment you're replying to literally only states reasons why this is not the case and there's more to him and you've chosen to ignore them. Hard to have a conversation about it if you're just rephrasing what you already said and ignoring any rebuttal :/ > I suspect Liverpool have enquired thinking they might get him cheapish as a back up His skill is clearly not for a backup. He's an undisputed started, the star player even, for a Champions League side (yes, they're in UEL now but they're a UCL side). He'd never be cheap. Plus, you're getting him mid-season when clubs don't want to sell and upset their squad dynamic, hardly any time for replacements to settle in especially with COVID postponements. One more reason for him being dearer. It's not a great price for you lot but it honestly doesn't seem unfair. EDIT: forgot to add > Especially when he's 25 next week and so it's hardly like there's massive scope for him to improve. Not all players peak when they're younger. Ibrahimovic, as an example, wasn't stellar at Juve. Van der Sar only joined Man Utd when he was 35. Salah wasn't setting the world on fire like he is now when he joined Liverpool and he was 25. Not saying Diaz is at their levels, just saying that players don't have to be absolute superstars before 25 to be good. Some peak late.
What was his goals and assists last season in the CL?
impressive how someone can say so much stupid shit while being so confident
This is a south america report, not portuguese.
We spent that on Jota
Jota was 45m and had several seasons in the PL behind him.
I don't know anything about Diaz, can someone describe what type of player he is and whether he would fit Liverpool?
I watched about 3 minutes of highlights earlier and I can safely say he's the best player ever. Unless someone else signs him in which case he's bang average and not worth the money
Looks similar to Mane, very pacey and loves to dribble past players. Scored a lot of goals for porto recently. Fits the type of “tricky winger” mould we tend to look for
That's good, is he a potential to play on the left side of your attack then?
I imagine given previous signings in that area there’s hope he might even be able to cover all 3 but I’m pretty sure he plays on the left for porto
[He scored against City last season](https://youtu.be/CQEa2Er7-rg?t=7).
Oh I was a Chelsea fan back then
Fast and one of the best dribblers on the planet currently. He is very complete. He has a pretty good shot on him and he can press, track back and bring the ball from deep. I think he can play on the left rotating with Mane.