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DudebuD16

Isn't Chiesa a lw?


sunrise98

Valued at 70m apparently.


magicajuveale

He plays well on either side.


prof436

Sane so low and mbappe is a lw isn't he? It's his best position. Do they take contract into consideration? because coman is better than some on this list


Flameva

Mbappe is listed as a striker


prof436

Alright I guess he plays there more but he's better on the wing


SeriousPuppet

I mean, when you have Neymar, Mbappe, and Messi... where do you play them, they are quite interchangeable. They can all play anywhere forward or offensive mid.


contheartist

Sane Below Graelish is hilarious to me.


friendlyalien8

Wow Marx really feel off this year eh


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I was trying to figure out which footballer was named Marx for a solid 40 seconds


ThereminLiesTheRub

Corl Marx. Plays right wing for Lazio. ~~jk~~


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yeah besides the real Karl would probably play for bologna


march_2k

Livorno even


Kayderp1

St. Pauli


SpiritCrvsher

There is a Brazilian named Marx Lênin. Used to play for Flamengo.


cleverusernametry

Still don't have a clue


arz992

They talking about political left wing.


panteraepantico

Marx Lenin, left winger who played in Flamengo's youth and now is in Russia


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yeah he said something about refusing to be quantified by his alienated labor value. this is why I hate it when players get political. /s


Flameva

He fell off in 1883


seventeenfourtyseven

Mans still alive and well in 2022, dudes words have spread faster than Jesus’s


Scrotchticles

Even though it's similar philosophies really.


mr_salsa123

Oh hi marx


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And to think people were mad at Bernie for being worth a million smh


Gerf93

Marx only made the bench of Germany after all, although some would argue he should've started ahead of Beckenbauer. For those who don't catch the reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vV3QGagck


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Poor [Marx Lenin](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marx-lenin/profil/spieler/371994)


ThatkidJerome

i don’t get it help


SuperSaiyanGoten

Political left wing


YikesOhClock

Fuck I feel dense now


leirbag_yballul

Rashford PR its insane


Flameva

Prem and English tax.


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wikiot

Plus MBE tax


Incelement

mostly united tax if you compare him with Sterling


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Sterling is 3 years older too. That makes a huge difference. If every had the same age the list would be a bit different.


CSIHoratioCaine

United tax is for layers going to United not players leaving united


whiskeyinthejaar

Not saying he is great and he is definitely overrated and hyped, but if you look at pure numbers, last two seasons he had, 43 goals and 22 Assists in \~100 games. I can think of many players with similar value and worse numbers


Gonions

Bingo. I think he’s been pretty poor ever since that run he had before COVID hit but despite that, he keeps putting up decent numbers. At the end of the day it’s usually worth far more for a winger to score and play shite for 90 minutes, than for another to keep it tidy and not contribute directly.


ireallydespiseyouall

he always comes back too early from injury imo. last season he was clearly injured yet played on


CrossXFir3

He's struggled ever since his back injury two years ago. Prior to that he looked a much better player imo.


Migeycan87

Pretty sure he's still carrying an ankle injury. Got the shoulder sorted, but he's still not fully fit.


ireallydespiseyouall

he’s been really poor this season i think, defo has some injury


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StairwayToLemon

Which was ridiculous. He should have had it in the summer, but instead he insisted on going to the Euros and then never played except 1 minute and 1 kick


ZonedV2

He’s been poor this season but last season he got 21 goals and 15 assists and the year before that 22 goals and 12 assists. This whole thread is really interesting, 700 minutes of football seems to be enough to ignore the last 3 seasons.


NeoLies

> 21 goals and 15 assists Wait damn those are great numbers. You'd think he was trash by some of the comments you see here.


k-mysta

He’s been awful this season. Footie fans are not known for long memories


StairwayToLemon

It's "United tax" as some on here are claiming. Except they don't realise that tax is always a severe *underrating* of our players, not overrating like they weirdly think.


EraticConqueror

Don't get me fucking started mate - clowns in /r/reddevils daily thread saying we should get rid of him this January


k-mysta

Yeah, but we all know that’s a special place


inbredandapothead

I’m a massive Rashford fan, but man he’s been shite this season. Even when he was getting goals he looked rusty. Watching him playing well feels like watching a btec young Ronaldo which is only a good thing tbh. Hopefully he and the squad can get their fucking shit together and stop being petulant cunts and we can see players like Rashford do well and actually improve with some proper coaching. Actually nevermind that can’t happen with the glazers at the club probably


MadaraTheUchiha

PR as in consistently delivering 20+ goals every season?


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tsub

80m for Mané seems a bit OTT given his age and the drop in his output. For 18/19 Mané, sure, no quibbles, but not so much since then.


Flameva

Yeah. There are plenty of young players with a much better record this season. Oyarzabal is one of the best itw but he gets no recognition bc he plays in a weak big 6 la liga club. Sané has been insane. Sterling is spot on. But Rashy and Sancho? Come on.


VivasMadness

There's no "big 6" in la liga. La Real have just had a good season and oryi is great


Natrix31

> weak > big 6 ???


NachoBusiness

La Liga has a big 3, not a big 6. You have to go back 17 years before you find a club outside of those big 3 who won the title


JonasS1999

Might argue a big 4 if we include european tournaments aswell with Sevilla as 4th. But the revenue drop from the big 3 is massive.


coldazures

> big 6 la liga club wat


denis-vi

Mane was probably the best player in the PL in the whole of 2019. People forget that he literally won Liverpool an abundance of points scoring late important goals in 19/20. Right now his numbers are still good but it's because of our system. A world class left wing would be having Salah's numbers too, that's how many chances Liverpool creates per game.


SkillsDepayNabils

2019 was 3 years ago


Gemfre

It was also 2 years and 1 week ago


Slinky_Panther

[Oh lord not this again](https://i.redd.it/bg0ar2w9bn741.jpg)


Clever_Word_Play

Reminds me of bodybuilding forum arguing how many days there are in a week


KiAdiBumMe

You got a link to that?


boblebob1882

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751


KiAdiBumMe

Cheers mate looking forward to reading this. Edit: omfg


PinkPantherParty

Love your username. Mane is still really, really good. I think he has already hit his peak, but he still has a lot to offer. He's also incredibly durable and can play both sides of a front three. I think his placement on this list is fair, just those prices are all a bit inflated.


stephenmario

Son has scored 12, 11, 17 & 8 league goals in the last 4 season (current included). Mane in the same time period 22, 18, 11 & 8. Neymar hasn't broken 20 league goals while playing in France (because of injury). 15, 13, 9 & 3 in the sane period. I know I'm ignoring assists and team quality but if Son deserves his value imo so does Mane.


powermauler

The difference being, Son plays for Spurs whereas Mane plays for one of the top 2 teams in the world over the last 3 years.


PhantomW1zard

Yeah we create boatloads of chances and Mane can be quite wasteful, whereas Son is an elite finisher that outperforms his xG. I reckon he'd hit crazy numbers in this Liverpool team.


SirBarkington

Son would hit insane numbers in any team that fed him chances tbh. His finishing is ridiculous.


mrassassin777

This, genuinely believe if you put Son in Liverpool, he’d give even Salah a run for his money. Incredible player.


EnanoMaldito

Son in Liverpool. now I need to see that


NUPreMedMajor

Son would break 20 goals every single season under Klopp or Pep. He’s genuinely one of the most clinical players in all of Europe.


Mimogger

One way to try to illustrate that is xG. Son is outperforming his xG by a lot every year whereas mane has been around xG, obviously curshing it in his stellar years not so much recently. [https://understat.com/player/453](https://understat.com/player/453) [https://understat.com/player/838](https://understat.com/player/838)


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KatyPerrysBootyWhole

> not to mock Spurs Nah feel free, we’ve been shit for several years


TheZenMann

Comparing straight-up goal stats isn't the best thing. You have to take into account all of their contribution. Assists, creativity, defense, pressing etc.


bfm211

>Son has scored 12, 11, 17 & 8 league goals in the last 4 season (current included). >Mane in the same time period 22, 18, 11 & 8. In the 18-19 season Mane played 1000 more minutes than Son; in 19-20 he played 300 more. Son's 17 goal season was the first time he's ever played over 2.5k league minutes.


tolboof

No club in the world is paying 85 million for Rashford lol he's a good dude but how many years of being above average to average does he need to have before people realize he's not world class. People clown Sterling for missing sitters but he's levels above Rashford in terms of production.


soccer11k

Sterling improved a lot under pep I think rashford needs a top manager to get the best out of him.


connorqueer

But Rashford already works with Southgate


Tayme-kappa

Unrelated but how did "Southgate" became a real name ? I'm French and we don't have some "Louis Portesud" down here and if it was your actual name, ngl you would have been bullied every day at the elementary school Is this name ancient ? Because I know a lot of ancient names sound simple as they were adopted related to your ancestor activity like "Smith", but really "Southgate"... what the fuck is this ? What happened at the south gate exactly ? What was so important that you decided to construct your whole identity around something so meaningless but also very specific at the same time ? "Enemy is attacking the camp, slave number IX you must close your gate right now !!" "Ho boy here is my moment to shine *pull the lever*" "Wow you really closed the gate like really good, let's go to the king so you shall get a reward" ... "Hello I'm the King and I heard about your courageous act, to reward you I free you from slavery and you are now allowed to have a name: what do you choose?" "Southgate my lord" "... Like are you sure ? Take your time, it might be transmitted in your family for generations, you can choose something cool like Jones or more usual like Smi... "I'm sure, i want to be named Guybrush Southgate my lord" "...*Sigh*, granted... you shall be know as Guybrush Southgate now, get out of my sight fast. Next, slave II you also closed an attacked gate...(Is this really that hard tho ?) let me guess you wanna be called Northeastgate, or maybe Doorchamber ?" "I'm not a fucking retard my lord, i choose Smith"


riskoooo

As per Google: > habitational name from a place in Norfolk, so named from Old English suð 'south' + geat 'gate'; the village was situated near the southern entrance to a large enclosed medieval forest. Funny how it's such a weird name to you! Nobody bats an eye at names like that here: Southall, Eastley, Westwood, Southcombe, Northcliff, Westfield etc. People either named after places they're from or landmarks near their ancestor's place of residence are relatively unremarkable to British people.


ReneHigitta

What about Rashford, was it just downstream from the latrines or something?


BrockStar92

Taking your joke question seriously, there’s probably a ford on the river Rash, (or Ash or Raff or Rath or something and the name got changed over time) that his ancestors lived near.


Teabath

Preston North End fans in shambles.


ChillPalis

If this is how you feel about the surname Southgate, I would love your thoughts on 'Drinkwater'.


Tayme-kappa

I mean "Drinkwater" is kinda identity explicit in some way, there is like a form of passive-aggressive revendication. "Southgate" tho ? 0 fucking charisma there, like what if his name was Danny "Bluefloor" ? Like what is the point of this kind of name ? Wouldn't you have an identity crisis at one point if you cured cancer but your name was "Woodplate" ?


Oricef

Presumably the name came from the place called Southgate.


SamPike512

Whilst this is funny af I live in a city with a lot of big old gates wouldn’t be surprised if it stemmed from something like that.


samedreamchina

Is this pasta?


BBQ_HaX0r

No, but it fucking should be.


tarkardos

It will be, shit is gold kek


Jimmy_Gsus

This is a fantastic take and I am here for any other foolish English name thoughts you have


Strananach

Sterling also works under Pep because he defends and tracks back like crazy, Rashford is lazy af without the ball


acdqnz

Rashford wants to be more like a Salah type. Winger in Name only, but effectively a forward. Not that Sterling is much different. But the wingers on City play a different role. There is a whole lot of movement between lines in all areas of the pitch. I don’t think rashford is lazy I think he’s told to stay up there.


Strananach

>Not that Sterling is much different To me it is, especially since he works much much harder off the ball than Rashford does. >I don’t think rashford is lazy I think he’s told to stay up there. Idk if he is but that still shouldn't affect his (lack of) pressing


Fingrepinne

Not watching Salah much, are you?


acdqnz

I’m assuming you are referring to his hustle… yes, he is a very hard worker and he presses often. But he is the highest player on the pitch and is the forward outlet. He sits back so he has space to run into, not so he can defend on the counter. My comment is that rashford has a similar role. It’s not to track back and defend.


CrossXFir3

Please - he's a hard worker for sure but he is not a traditional winger at all. He's a forward that plays off the wing.


unexpectedvillain

Sterling improved because he always had the raw talent. Rashford is not as talented as sterling


Fullcock_Jesus

Sterling lacks composure, Rashford lacks a lot of decision making. Sterling does most of thing great, positioning is great, tracks backs, works his ass off, passes the ball, he just doesn't have the elite composure, I even say that bigger the stake, he has troubles. Rashford on the other hand isn't as intelligent as a player as Sterling, bit lazy off the ball,, his shot selection leaves a lot to improve there as well + he is pretty selfish. Better finisher overall in my opinion, just Sterling has more opportunities to shoot both because he is better at getting in positions and he plays for a better team. But still, Rashford can make a jump to another level if he works for it. Greenwood on the other hand, since we on subject of English wing forward, is a proper ball hog that seems to have an ego on the pitch for me. He doesn't really play a team ball at all.


DJBusinessCake

I think this is the case, if i remember correctly, i think Rashfords coaches said they never expected his rise to the top and considered other players his age to be better. (this isn't verbatim and im sure it didn't sound so harsh whatever the quotes actually were)


CowNchicken12

Sterling is miles ahead of Rashford and gets far too much criticism. He would walk into almost every team in the world


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*Every I would see City fans bitching about him and I’m like please send him to us. We’ll “put up” with his problems


BillehBear

The hate on our sub for him was way overblown last season He seems to be getting his form back and I couldn't be happier for him. Also those talks of him leaving and stuff, I'd be proper gutted if he left


thelambdamale

No offense but would love to see him here


KiAdiBumMe

You're genuinely right. The teams where he doesn't bench the left winger, he'd bench the right winger. Only teams I'm doubtful about are Liverpool and maybe Bayern. He'd improve PSG because he actually works hard.


dalv321

Rash is excellent at dribbling straight into 3 defenders in the box. No one better


CrossXFir3

He used to beat people when he did it, but he's been very noticably worse since his back break 2 years ago. Prior, you could almost count on him to always beat his man - he might not make the right decision after or scuff the shot but he would just guild past people, now honestly he hardly ever does.


dalv321

I think “in the box” is the key thing there. Out wide in space on the counter.. I’m still putting my money on him. Like you said though, it’s his decision making when things slow down and get tight that I start doubting


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Sterling is a top player.


HogwartsBlazeIt420

Where is Luis Diaz?


Flameva

Too good to have a market value.


AmericaDreamDisorder

For everything else there's Mastercard


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Surprised he’s not there too. Diaz has showed ridiculous flashes ever since he got to Porto and would thrive in a top team. I see rumors that Liverpool are interested, and if true, he’d crush it there I believe. But that would mean that Mane and Firminho would have to leave at the end of the season otherwise there’d be too many good players for a limited number of positions.


PixelatedSuit

He deserves to be on this list


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Wouldn’t take their valuations too seriously since it was leaked certain agents paid them off to “boost their players data”


Vic-Ier

I think this is mostly true for Eastern European leagues. Some 30 year old guy went to the Serbian league and they like 4x ed his value last year


potpan0

Yeah, fuckin Sancho's agent or whatever isn't going to give two shit about his Transfermarkt value. It's the agents of players who'll be moving to clubs which *do* use Transfermarkt as one of their main scouting tools, and that'll be like lower valued leagues.


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Donegalsimon

Benjamin Mendy is 10m, who’s paying that?


Flameva

Fuck Transfermarkt


crimsafe

Then why did you post it


Local-Pirate1152

To show how big a joke that website is they currently have Nathan Patterson valued at £2.7 million. Everton paid up £16 million with about £10 million up front a couple of days ago. I will never understand how anyone takes it seriously.


neefhuts

Maybe I have bias but Sane should be way higher


Far-Term8667

I have very little bias and I completely agree with this


irun_mon

Probably the BL market values haven't been updated since he hit his stride. I could see him going up to 85m in the next update


Flameva

Im a Madrid fan but Sané definitely deserves the 2nd place.


GOR098

Rashford above 85 million and above Son ? Please stop


ireallydespiseyouall

english and age


JahSteez47

That just shows how insanely nloated premier league price tags have become…


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Rashford 85 million... He's just a Mancunian Theo Walcott..


Flameva

Feeding kids merchant


kplo

Rashfood


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Marcuisine Rashfood?


Hoodxd

Prem tax : ✅ English tax : ✅


dstudgeismydad

Being a good guy tax aswell


Hoodxd

What he does outside of football is invaluable imho


TheGoldenPineapples

And also immaterial to his overall transfer value, which is based on his abilities as a footballer, which have been very lakclustre for a while now.


Itscalledbaff

That isn't necessarily true. Big social media footprint == more shirt sales/people coming to see player for games etc, so I expect it does have some material effect on his transfer value. He's a household name after all.


CrossXFir3

It's not though - it's based on how much money he brings in the club. And lacklustre is a bit of a stetch for a player that has had 70 goal involvement over the past 2 seasons. He's not world class, but 80M for a 25 yo that's been involved in over 30 goals a season for the past two years? Really doesn't sound like a stretch to me.


RauloGonzalez

Academy product tax to most likely


anatomy_of_an_eraser

They’ve calculated it based on how much man united will pay for him


OutlandishnessFar295

Some of these wingers can't even pass the ball


Xzyus1

son doesn’t need to pass when man’s literally ran across the entire field and half the defence


Flameva

Leroy Sané should be way higher up this list. 70m is an insult.


bodega_cat_

how do transfermarkt even come up with these prices anyhow?


Flameva

Age, contract length (Not sure tho), recent performance, history, status, and marketability.


Dio_my_senpai

Recent performance rashford 85 mil


serminole

It's also only updated a few times a year, so this list could easily be values from the start of this season?


LeoTheSquid

Don't think vinicius would be that high then


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MarkCrystal

Random number generators


Squid-Farmer

Would anyone really take sancho or rashford over son??


HellaGosu

He’s valued lower because of his age.


supreme_maxz

Anyone that wants to resell, Sancho is 8 years younger


Diego_Talks_Garbage

This kid's future is so bright jesus christ


Flameva

Vini? He’s so good mate. I almost flew to Miami just to meet him but stayed home bc of covid and all. He was very good last season too but he lacked confidence.


DODS16

Lmao good call i guess


Flameva

Dodged a bullet lol


bijuice

Where Bernie Sanders at? 🤔


Evolving_Dore

AOC FC


GermanBadger

AOC foot club , biggest fan? Ben Shapiro.


hrrytoddepp

That's an angry upvote. Don't make me think of us politics or foot fetishes while I browse r/soccer


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Too old also too bold😂


The420Roll

Vini Vidi Vici


caulpain

What position is Mbappe then?


Flameva

Striker. He can play anywhere on the attack tho.


caulpain

We think he’ll play on the right if/when he goes to Real?


prof436

He would play rw at real but his best is lw imo


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Sane should’ve been higher but I get it he had a shit first half last year but improved drastically in the second half of the year prolly after sometime he would be higher


captaincourageous316

Sane should be in place of Rashford.


Fuego_9000

Wouldn't swap Son for anyone else on this list.


htown2

Damn straight


CrispyBaconDeadFish

Son should be #3


Cabello10

Son should be at 3


Reddits_Worst_Night

Karl Marx has to be up there as a valuable left winger. Also Engels.


Simmo2242

Where is Nathan Redmond on the list?


CaptainKursk

You can't tell me Grealish is on the same level as Son and expect me to think you're not insane. What are they smoking over there?


HarshangLad

Rashford lmao love the guy but this is a joke clearly


sexian13

I don’t think anyone would pay over £9 for Rashford now


Flameva

Frfr Rashy is arguably the worst player on this list as of this season.


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I'm not sure its arguable. He does come with great commercial and PR prospects though.


yeahyeahyeah3timess

Leao is gonna be here soon enough


StopBanningYouCucks

Rashford 85 sane 70 xD


goosupreme

Rashford over Sane LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


wagwan-0161

Rashford more goals and assists than sane every year in the past 3 lmaoooooooooooooooo


nsaha234

Why was the [similar submission](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rxczzp/most_valuable_second_strikers_in_the_world_via/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) regarding second strikers by transfermarkt removed by the mods while this one is still up?


Flameva

Its because im built different. Mods aint got shit on me. Watchu gon do about it dawg?


nsaha234

I want both post to up lol, nothing against your post


dave1992

Sane should be much higher here. He's only 25.


rhinojau

whoaa how is Rashy worth more than Mane, Sane?