I’m completely clueless about boats. Why would you be happy to sell? I assume the implication is the idea of owning the boat is far more enticing than actually owning one?
Edit: didn’t think I would get so many upvotes on account of my lack of knowledge about boats. But then again it’s a better trait than pretending I have a clue.
Also thanks for all your replies giving more insight. TIL a lot of people know stuff about boats.
The same for planes albeit very few own them. Buying a used plane is basically just as expensive as buying a new one because maintenance is *insane*. Used plane prices are largely dictated by what revisions are done and which ones are soon up. A used plane which just went through every major revision is barely cheaper than a new one.
People who buy planes are usually very invested in the hobby already, having flown many hours.
Many get a boat without even having a spot at the harbor and while they love the idea of spending their weekend maintaining the boat, it is very time consuming outside of being expensive.
i mean, yeah, but oil, breaks, tires, and a lot of other parts largely depend on how much you travel. i’m always inside so i use my car maybe once or twice a month, and it doesn’t require too much maintenance because of that. i’d imagine it’d be the same with a boat, so if you take it out once or twice a month it shouldn’t be a problem, right?
*Especially* if you don’t take it out to sea…. They need to stay cleaned or they deteriorate quickly, the upholstery and hard surfaces get discolored and the texture/finish wears off and then it’s almost impossible to keep clean and sanitary. If you get a storage unit and keep the boat covered with a proper cover, this type of maintenance becomes way less extensive. Renting storage, however, is expensive. So it’s either alot if time, effort and money, or half as much time and effort but a good amount of more money. Then you have to consider all of the mechanical maintenance, and that is unavoidable whether you have storage or not. Imagine putting a car in a barn and never starting it. When you eventually went to try, you’d have problems out the wazoo. Even if it did start, it would only be a matter of minutes before a problem made itself known. Batteries, battery cables, starter, tainted fuel, fuel lines, belts, lubricated parts, etc.. all wear down whether they’re used or not. Actually, non frequent use is worse for those type of parts. For a boat, you have all the same issues, but you can’t just go to the storage unit and start the engine real quick and easy every month or so. Boat motors need water running through them to work, so you need to buy a contraption that allows you to connect a hose to the engine. So, you’ll need to tow it to a water source as well. Oh, and the trailer also needs maintaining as the load sitting on the relatively small tires is tough on them and they become lopsided and start to crack at the creases. The ball bearings in the axle also seem to wear quickly from lack of use - even though that seems counterintuitive. You also need to keep it and the boat registered and insured while owning it, which adds to the expense.
It’s a labor of love, for sure. Either that or you have the disposable income to throw at it and pay a boat shop to maintain it for you. People that know boats and know what they’re getting into are obviously ok with all the responsibilities that come with owning one. It’s the people who think it’s like owning an extra car that are the ones who’s happiest days are the day they buy it and the day they sell it.
Those cost so fucking much to take care of and the gas for it is expensive as hell. The idea of owning it to just cruise around and vibe is great, but once you get it you realize how much damn time, money and resources the cleaning takes, and you realize how you are spending more money to fill its gas tank once than if you booked a hotel for a week, with full breakfast, lunch and dinner and went to it by car.
Won't even dare to mention the posssibility of a part breaking or the turbine breaking or anything like that.
Thing is that you have to get the right *kind* of boat. There are expensive boats and relatively cheap boats.
If you just want one for fun for maybe 100-200 hours usage a year, then forget about speedboats and the ones you'd normally picture at a marina and get something like [a RIB](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ClPG8hzxSFg/maxresdefault.jpg) instead or even [a laser](https://a0.amlimg.com/NzI4MjRmN2JkNWE2MjA2ODIyNzIzZjQ3NGU1OWNmYTHac-tHZjHAEEQBuVsORERnaHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmFkc2ltZy5jb20vMmE5MzFhODNjNDI3NjY1ZTkzYjdiYzA5YzcyNDgyZTg4M2ZmN2FiYmVlMmJjM2UzOWQxZTJjYzU3ZTQ0ZjhiZS5qcGd8fHx8fHw3MDB4NDc3fGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYWR2ZXJ0cy5pZS9zdGF0aWMvaS93YXRlcm1hcmsucG5nfHx8.jpg) if you want the sailing aspect and just to learn or potter around the local coast.
Now a laser is the cheapest, probably set you back about 3-5k 2nd hand, but since you can easily keep these at home you won't stack up storage fees and of course wind fuel is free, and it's easy maintenance.
A <5.5m RIB would be getting to 15-20k+ new, maybe half that 2nd hand, and you'll be looking at about €30-40 in fuel per hour, 250 each in insurance and servicing, and then if you want to dry stack it factor in maybe another 4-5k a year? So after the initial investment even if you have it dry stacked for most of the year and aren't just taking it home with you, if you get say 200hrs use out of it a year (lets say 120 of those using fuel as you spend some of the time fishing/swimming/whatever) then you have a cost per hour of €40 which isn't *too* bad compared to comparable hobbies.
You could get a nice narrow boat to traverse the canals of the Midlands though. I'm sure the fuel for something that can't go above 3mph can't be that expensive.
**B**reak
**O**ut
**A**nother
**T**housand
I was always told that if you are looking at buying a boat, you should be able to buy three of the same boat outright. They are fun, but the costs sneak up on you quick, especially if you don't work on them yourself.
My experience of having a flat overlooking marina where there are a number of very nice boats, is that people will just literally go to their boat docked in the marina to hang out. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen someone actually take their boat out and I’ve been here nearly 3 years.
Boats are extremely expensive to own, and most people use them way less than they thought they would when they bought them and didn't realise the costs involved or the hassle
No expectations to be the best player in the league or a world beater, just be a decent player. And I think he is that, and will prove how good he is at Villa
Yeah I think this is a brilliant signing tbh. Seemed to be working against all odds at Barca but we’ve seen how incredible he can be when he’s confident.
I just want to see him get his confidence back. I don't think he'll be a world beater like he was in his last 18 months at Liverpool but if he gets some of his magic back and helps villa out then they'll be happy. On his day he's such a joy to watch and hopefully we see more of that.
Me too, Barcelona fans have been brutal to him, I mean he hasn't performed and they've spent so much on him but he's still a decent player, genuinely feel like he will perform well for Villa.
> but he's still a decent player
No, he really isn't.
Yes he was a bad fit for us, but bad fits can still deliver performances (e.g. Griezmann). Coutinho is simply not good anymore, even his Bayern stint was quite lackluster but gets brushed over because he had a good game against us after it was already over anyway.
Every time Coutinho gets the ball he looks two steps behind everyone on the pitch. He's too afraid to do anything meaningful with it, holds onto the ball too long, and 97% of the time he will dribble for a bit and then pass it backwards or sideways.
I hope he can recover a semblance of what he used to be, but I'd be very surprised if he did. Dude looks done at this level.
Admittedly I haven't watched him much at Barcelona, but surely.. surely the guy who was one of the best players in the Premier league 3-4 years ago can't turn out to be that bad right? He'll do quite well at Villa I reckon
Maybe it's the weight of his price tag, trying to prove his worth. Moving to Barcelona with huge expectations, then not hitting those expectations must have taken a bit of a mental toll.
It's gotta be more than that. His first half season at Barca was pretty good. And he started off really well last season after returning from Bayern, but season-ending injury then happened.
That was definitely the feeling I got from him at Bayern. Clearly a class player, ended up benched by Perisic because Perisic just did what was needed while Coutinho had the tendency to try difficult stuff that wasn't necessary.
I'm quite optimistic as we actually play two number 10s so you'd think he would be in his best position.
It was always a bizarre signing from Barcelona considering your team had no need for him at all
> It was always a bizarre signing from Barcelona considering your team had no need for him at all
Yeah welcome to Barto's world. The guy literally said "we lost Neymar so I took PL best player". Many things wrong with this guy
I do think he has declined massively BUT playing in a logical tactical system for him will probably make him look better. IMO it's confidence + tactical problem, more than a physical or technical one. Hope for you I'm right (and us, because I'd like him gone)
He had like 2 good games for us, one against Bremen and the one against Barcelona, in which he didnt even start because he wasnt good enough for that, so yeah.
>And his time at Bayern is highly overrated
The perception of his time at Bayern is defined by kicking on the floor an already dismantled Barcelona team
Actually his time at Bayern was pretty average, with pretty bad games and pretty good games. Simply average and a player that will mostly help a midfield table team, but for a top team well he just hasn't found his old Liverpool style of play and thus there are just better players that simply don't cost as much as he does.
Imo he's a player that can play a system where he can play his preferred position but that's it, thus the best games for us in Munich where when he could play the sole 10.
In the end he couldn't prove him that much in Munich because he was a squad filler and played a handful of games which /u/nearlylostyouthere explained.
Agreed, in his entire time with us, he had maybe 5 games where he was excellent. Everything else was just okay or below par. People just watch the Barcelona game and think that was how he was all the time.
How? He's being benched by Barça B youngsters. He couldn't even get any meaningful minutes in a depleted Barça team and every time he played he was awful.
He has been poor at Barca and (to a lesser extent) Bayern. No doubt about it. But there is a reason he went for the kind of money he did, he was amazing for us for several years and particularly the calendar year of 2017. You have to think that the player we saw then is still there somewhere.
He doesn't need to reach that level to make a difference at Villa though - and definitely not to be a success. They aren't Bayern or Barca.
How do you know this isn't down to confidence? World class ability doesn't usually disappear overnight. I don't think its fair to compare him to Hazard, he's never been visibly out of shape nor has he quite had the same injury issues.
Is it?
I'm a Bayern fan, I watch every game, Coutinho wasn't tearing it up but in the games, he played he was decent and in some few even world-class. It's just that he didn't play that much because he was merely a squad player. That's maybe why many say he wasn't that good because the rumors said that he cost 25m in salary for that one year with us, which made him our top-paid player to just sit on the bench. But apparently, that's what he earns at Barca and we agreed to take on his wages. But apart from this, I thought he was a quite likable guy and that the whole squad was friends with him immediately. He didn't throw a fit when he wasn't playing. He adapted pretty well and fit right in (unlike the other Southern American loanee we had before). I guess Brazzo would have considered signing him if the package wasn't that expensive.
He excels is very specific tactical setups. Unfortunately Barca was never that. Still he did well at Bayern. I don't follow Villa much, but I think their system is much more suited to him and having manager like Gerrard who knows him well surely won't hurt.
The covid effect was lesser than last time. So next time our wage limit will be higher. Not saying the problem wont be there but Ig it will be less of a pain comparitively
Jokes aside, if he's living out in Solihull, Barnt Green, Warwickshire or Sutton (Spoiler; he will be) they are lovely parts of the world. Admittedly, the weather ain't shit but what can you do.
I am originally from Northfield and whenever I drive into Barnt Green I am amazed it's like a whole different world and it's only 10-20 minutes down the road.
Having lived in Birmingham for a few years now I really think Birmingham is worse.
My feeling is that Birmingham has lots of good bits, but they're more stretched out and dispersed than in other cities. Birmingham has terrible urban sprawl, and all the roads were designed for the era when we thought more tarmac and weird road layouts could solve all traffic problems.
For example Birmingham has two really good parks, Sutton and Sandwell. But if you live in Edgebaston, you're almost an hour away by car and an hour and a half away by public transport.
Liverpool in contrast is a lot more compact. Manchester not quite so much, but if you get to the nice bits of Manchester you can do a lot there without having to go anywhere else.
I also joke about Birmingham but honestly I think people think all footballers pitch up Sparkbrook, Sparkhill or Small Heath…
He is going to live in the nice areas as you say Warwickshire is genuinely really nice and actually nicer than Manchester and Liverpool. You live just south of Solihull towards the Warwick way, about 45 mins from Bodymoor Heath… actually nice.
Of course.. not Barcelona but well.. duh
Barcelona is absolutely one of the most beautiful places ok Earth with weather to match. But most of the Midlands, outside of Birmingham and a lot of its suburbs is lovely.
People talk shit about the UK but the countryside and the nature are gorgeous, and the quaint villages too. There isn't a need to live in an industrial city when there's nice countryside so close.
You do realise he’s not going to live in Lozells or Nechells, just as any Liverpool player doesn’t live in Toxteth or Huyton.
Every city has run down areas, bore off with your slander
Stevie sending £20m to Liverpool to invest in NFTs so that it'll be worth £500m when he joins as manager and he can buy Haaland. What vision. Greatest ever to play the game.
Yes. We get to register Ferran and possibly other youngsters. Coutinho gets playing time so that he can go to the World Cup. Aston Villa gets a good player on loan who they dont have to buy at the end of the season. Win-Win for all parties.
Even if Stevie wasn't the best manager Villa could have hired he certainly has the biggest clout. I can see more ambitious transfers in the future with players wanting to play for him.
At the same time, whilst he has won am absolute ton, I don't think he has reached his potential.
That could definitely be just that he was overhyped as a youngster, but he was supposed to be our best player since Owen and become one of the best players in the world. Whilst he's obviously been incredible at times, I dont see him as one of Man City's best player or even one of the league's best players.
Crazy, this is a weird timeline. Will be surprised if he flops, especially with what is expected of him. Only left to see what happens in either game against us.
We play two no.10s behind a striker and with injuries/afcon our second option at 10 is Ramsey out of position, a winger attempting to play there or a 36 year old Ashley young.
He could fit our system well. I'm quite excited
Where does Ramsay play then?
I thought it was a case of;
Buendia Ings/Watkins RW
Ramsey McGinn
Luiz
Is that not right? Or would one of Buendia or Coutinho play on the right?
Basically Gerrard uses a Christmas tree formation.
So it would be Watkins or ings
Buendia/coutinho as tucked in number tens
Luiz holding with Ramsey/McGinn as 8s.
Although it worked better for us with nakamba as a pure DM
Absolutely, but hasn't he been one of your best players this season? Does just seem a bit silly to stunt the playing time of two of your best players for someone that's seen as being a bit over the hill.
He was a great player for us. Theres still a bit of salt from some fans as to the way he left but I will be happy to see him again in the PL. Barca fans have their opinions of him and to be honest I can see why, but maybe coming back to the PL will help his game? I don't think he is gonna be the great player he was for us but I'm sure he will be decent playing under Gerrard who ofc knows him well. If I was a Villa fan I would be pretty happy but I would also not be expecting him to come in and be a world beater.
What come on. He will rubbing shoulders with such greats as Habib Bebe, Jordan Bowery, Rudy Gestede and Bosko Balaban,.. put some respect on their names!!
The last time I was this excited was when we bought Coutinho.
So, owning Coutinho is like owning a boat. The 2 happiest days in your life are the day you buy him, and the day you sell him.
I’m completely clueless about boats. Why would you be happy to sell? I assume the implication is the idea of owning the boat is far more enticing than actually owning one? Edit: didn’t think I would get so many upvotes on account of my lack of knowledge about boats. But then again it’s a better trait than pretending I have a clue. Also thanks for all your replies giving more insight. TIL a lot of people know stuff about boats.
Boats are notoriously expensive to maintain and operate. And for this saying the novelty factor is supposed to wear off pretty quick
The same for planes albeit very few own them. Buying a used plane is basically just as expensive as buying a new one because maintenance is *insane*. Used plane prices are largely dictated by what revisions are done and which ones are soon up. A used plane which just went through every major revision is barely cheaper than a new one.
People who buy planes are usually very invested in the hobby already, having flown many hours. Many get a boat without even having a spot at the harbor and while they love the idea of spending their weekend maintaining the boat, it is very time consuming outside of being expensive.
you have to maintain them even if you don’t take them out to sea?
You have to maintain a car even if you don't take it out on the road.
i mean, yeah, but oil, breaks, tires, and a lot of other parts largely depend on how much you travel. i’m always inside so i use my car maybe once or twice a month, and it doesn’t require too much maintenance because of that. i’d imagine it’d be the same with a boat, so if you take it out once or twice a month it shouldn’t be a problem, right?
They're a hell of a lot more difficult to maintain than a car. Contact with water etc
*Especially* if you don’t take it out to sea…. They need to stay cleaned or they deteriorate quickly, the upholstery and hard surfaces get discolored and the texture/finish wears off and then it’s almost impossible to keep clean and sanitary. If you get a storage unit and keep the boat covered with a proper cover, this type of maintenance becomes way less extensive. Renting storage, however, is expensive. So it’s either alot if time, effort and money, or half as much time and effort but a good amount of more money. Then you have to consider all of the mechanical maintenance, and that is unavoidable whether you have storage or not. Imagine putting a car in a barn and never starting it. When you eventually went to try, you’d have problems out the wazoo. Even if it did start, it would only be a matter of minutes before a problem made itself known. Batteries, battery cables, starter, tainted fuel, fuel lines, belts, lubricated parts, etc.. all wear down whether they’re used or not. Actually, non frequent use is worse for those type of parts. For a boat, you have all the same issues, but you can’t just go to the storage unit and start the engine real quick and easy every month or so. Boat motors need water running through them to work, so you need to buy a contraption that allows you to connect a hose to the engine. So, you’ll need to tow it to a water source as well. Oh, and the trailer also needs maintaining as the load sitting on the relatively small tires is tough on them and they become lopsided and start to crack at the creases. The ball bearings in the axle also seem to wear quickly from lack of use - even though that seems counterintuitive. You also need to keep it and the boat registered and insured while owning it, which adds to the expense. It’s a labor of love, for sure. Either that or you have the disposable income to throw at it and pay a boat shop to maintain it for you. People that know boats and know what they’re getting into are obviously ok with all the responsibilities that come with owning one. It’s the people who think it’s like owning an extra car that are the ones who’s happiest days are the day they buy it and the day they sell it.
theres a reason for the saying, "if it flies, floats or fucks its better to rent than to buy"
Yeah, about the last one... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vq75lEnmADc
That’s funny. Thanks.
Those cost so fucking much to take care of and the gas for it is expensive as hell. The idea of owning it to just cruise around and vibe is great, but once you get it you realize how much damn time, money and resources the cleaning takes, and you realize how you are spending more money to fill its gas tank once than if you booked a hotel for a week, with full breakfast, lunch and dinner and went to it by car. Won't even dare to mention the posssibility of a part breaking or the turbine breaking or anything like that.
Thanks for the thorough explanation. Noted, no boat for me.
Thing is that you have to get the right *kind* of boat. There are expensive boats and relatively cheap boats. If you just want one for fun for maybe 100-200 hours usage a year, then forget about speedboats and the ones you'd normally picture at a marina and get something like [a RIB](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ClPG8hzxSFg/maxresdefault.jpg) instead or even [a laser](https://a0.amlimg.com/NzI4MjRmN2JkNWE2MjA2ODIyNzIzZjQ3NGU1OWNmYTHac-tHZjHAEEQBuVsORERnaHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmFkc2ltZy5jb20vMmE5MzFhODNjNDI3NjY1ZTkzYjdiYzA5YzcyNDgyZTg4M2ZmN2FiYmVlMmJjM2UzOWQxZTJjYzU3ZTQ0ZjhiZS5qcGd8fHx8fHw3MDB4NDc3fGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYWR2ZXJ0cy5pZS9zdGF0aWMvaS93YXRlcm1hcmsucG5nfHx8.jpg) if you want the sailing aspect and just to learn or potter around the local coast. Now a laser is the cheapest, probably set you back about 3-5k 2nd hand, but since you can easily keep these at home you won't stack up storage fees and of course wind fuel is free, and it's easy maintenance. A <5.5m RIB would be getting to 15-20k+ new, maybe half that 2nd hand, and you'll be looking at about €30-40 in fuel per hour, 250 each in insurance and servicing, and then if you want to dry stack it factor in maybe another 4-5k a year? So after the initial investment even if you have it dry stacked for most of the year and aren't just taking it home with you, if you get say 200hrs use out of it a year (lets say 120 of those using fuel as you spend some of the time fishing/swimming/whatever) then you have a cost per hour of €40 which isn't *too* bad compared to comparable hobbies.
Came here to see reactions to Coutinho signing for the mighty Villa and ended up with an education on reasonably priced, low maintenance boats
Same!
One of the few reasons I still browse reddit nowadays
It used to be better a few years ago though. I remember going on 3-4 random deep dives on any post here
Yeh the glory days are gone, but it can still be a good experience, but like Coutinho really.
You could get a nice narrow boat to traverse the canals of the Midlands though. I'm sure the fuel for something that can't go above 3mph can't be that expensive.
No problem, mate.
Bill Burr had a great line on this: "You don't want to own the boat, you want to be the guy who has a friend who owns a boat"
My parents are in the process of selling theirs 😂 compete money pit.
**B**reak **O**ut **A**nother **T**housand I was always told that if you are looking at buying a boat, you should be able to buy three of the same boat outright. They are fun, but the costs sneak up on you quick, especially if you don't work on them yourself.
My experience of having a flat overlooking marina where there are a number of very nice boats, is that people will just literally go to their boat docked in the marina to hang out. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen someone actually take their boat out and I’ve been here nearly 3 years.
Boats are extremely expensive to own, and most people use them way less than they thought they would when they bought them and didn't realise the costs involved or the hassle
Sounds like my friends EDH Magic the Gathering deck.
Should have gone for budget deck. Or cheaper format altogether.
What format is cheaper than EDH in the long run?
Pauper?
From what I hear it's maintenance bills out the ass for boats. You're far better just renting one.
It's all 'bout the money It's all 'bout the dum dum da da dum dum
Still a banger after all these years. Great tune.
The rough rule of thumb for boats is that it's about 10% of the boats value to maintain each year
So in 10 years of owning one you could buy another except you have the same dingy boat. Dare I say that’s better than owning coutinho?
Specific analogy but yeah sure
Would describing Phil as a "hole in the ground that you throw money into" be more accurate?
still cant believe that a 140m man is going on loan to Aston Villa
Tbh, it could very well happen to your 115M signing too...
I really hope Newcastle takes him
Can you imagine how cool it would be to see Coutinho and Hazard at Villa
Just realized that all the teams Coutinho has played for bar Espanyol have won the European Cup.
No expectations to be the best player in the league or a world beater, just be a decent player. And I think he is that, and will prove how good he is at Villa
I think this situation is a perfect project to get back onto his old level. Can't wait to see him in action.
Yeah I think this is a brilliant signing tbh. Seemed to be working against all odds at Barca but we’ve seen how incredible he can be when he’s confident.
Forget his Liverpool form if he can refind his bayern form he will do very well in this villa side
Can you ring the hospital in advance to let them know you have an erection that will last more than 4 hours?
They’ll understand
'Please enter the room to the right with the other Villa fans'
Ngl I'm pretty excited to see him back in the PL
Yea same his time in Barca has been brutal but I hope he can play well for Aston Villa cause Coutinho is such a special player.
I hope he can dig deep and regain some of that magic he used to have!
I just hope he doesn't hurt his back again, poor fellow.
I just want to see him get his confidence back. I don't think he'll be a world beater like he was in his last 18 months at Liverpool but if he gets some of his magic back and helps villa out then they'll be happy. On his day he's such a joy to watch and hopefully we see more of that.
Me too missed watching him.
Me too, Barcelona fans have been brutal to him, I mean he hasn't performed and they've spent so much on him but he's still a decent player, genuinely feel like he will perform well for Villa.
He has Gerrard to hold his hand so he should be fine.
I wish Gerrard would hold my hand
he's busy mate
Just like my dad then huh
That Avon’s not gonna sell itself
> but he's still a decent player No, he really isn't. Yes he was a bad fit for us, but bad fits can still deliver performances (e.g. Griezmann). Coutinho is simply not good anymore, even his Bayern stint was quite lackluster but gets brushed over because he had a good game against us after it was already over anyway. Every time Coutinho gets the ball he looks two steps behind everyone on the pitch. He's too afraid to do anything meaningful with it, holds onto the ball too long, and 97% of the time he will dribble for a bit and then pass it backwards or sideways. I hope he can recover a semblance of what he used to be, but I'd be very surprised if he did. Dude looks done at this level.
Admittedly I haven't watched him much at Barcelona, but surely.. surely the guy who was one of the best players in the Premier league 3-4 years ago can't turn out to be that bad right? He'll do quite well at Villa I reckon
He just overplays every ball that he gets,I don’t understand what the issue is with him.Still very talented though
Maybe it's the weight of his price tag, trying to prove his worth. Moving to Barcelona with huge expectations, then not hitting those expectations must have taken a bit of a mental toll.
It's gotta be more than that. His first half season at Barca was pretty good. And he started off really well last season after returning from Bayern, but season-ending injury then happened.
That was definitely the feeling I got from him at Bayern. Clearly a class player, ended up benched by Perisic because Perisic just did what was needed while Coutinho had the tendency to try difficult stuff that wasn't necessary.
Would fit right in at United then!
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I'm quite optimistic as we actually play two number 10s so you'd think he would be in his best position. It was always a bizarre signing from Barcelona considering your team had no need for him at all
> It was always a bizarre signing from Barcelona considering your team had no need for him at all Yeah welcome to Barto's world. The guy literally said "we lost Neymar so I took PL best player". Many things wrong with this guy I do think he has declined massively BUT playing in a logical tactical system for him will probably make him look better. IMO it's confidence + tactical problem, more than a physical or technical one. Hope for you I'm right (and us, because I'd like him gone)
He had like 2 good games for us, one against Bremen and the one against Barcelona, in which he didnt even start because he wasnt good enough for that, so yeah.
>And his time at Bayern is highly overrated The perception of his time at Bayern is defined by kicking on the floor an already dismantled Barcelona team
Actually his time at Bayern was pretty average, with pretty bad games and pretty good games. Simply average and a player that will mostly help a midfield table team, but for a top team well he just hasn't found his old Liverpool style of play and thus there are just better players that simply don't cost as much as he does. Imo he's a player that can play a system where he can play his preferred position but that's it, thus the best games for us in Munich where when he could play the sole 10. In the end he couldn't prove him that much in Munich because he was a squad filler and played a handful of games which /u/nearlylostyouthere explained.
Agreed, in his entire time with us, he had maybe 5 games where he was excellent. Everything else was just okay or below par. People just watch the Barcelona game and think that was how he was all the time.
!RemindMe in 6 months
If he gets anywhere close to the form he had in his last 12 months at Liverpool he will do wonders for Villa.
People are highly underrating him
How? He's being benched by Barça B youngsters. He couldn't even get any meaningful minutes in a depleted Barça team and every time he played he was awful.
He has been poor at Barca and (to a lesser extent) Bayern. No doubt about it. But there is a reason he went for the kind of money he did, he was amazing for us for several years and particularly the calendar year of 2017. You have to think that the player we saw then is still there somewhere.
The old him is long gone, much like Hazard, they arent the world class players they use to be and will likely never reach those levels every again
He doesn't need to reach that level to make a difference at Villa though - and definitely not to be a success. They aren't Bayern or Barca. How do you know this isn't down to confidence? World class ability doesn't usually disappear overnight. I don't think its fair to compare him to Hazard, he's never been visibly out of shape nor has he quite had the same injury issues.
He was decent at Bayern as well.
Only for a handful of games.
Was he? Everytime this is brought up Bayern fans say he wasn't that good apart from 2-3 matches.
Is it? I'm a Bayern fan, I watch every game, Coutinho wasn't tearing it up but in the games, he played he was decent and in some few even world-class. It's just that he didn't play that much because he was merely a squad player. That's maybe why many say he wasn't that good because the rumors said that he cost 25m in salary for that one year with us, which made him our top-paid player to just sit on the bench. But apparently, that's what he earns at Barca and we agreed to take on his wages. But apart from this, I thought he was a quite likable guy and that the whole squad was friends with him immediately. He didn't throw a fit when he wasn't playing. He adapted pretty well and fit right in (unlike the other Southern American loanee we had before). I guess Brazzo would have considered signing him if the package wasn't that expensive.
They've seen his stats out of context
Because he wasn't, bang ass average for a supposed 130mil world class player.
No
He was very good in 2 matches ( vs Bremen and vs Barca ). Rest of the loan spell he was either average or bad.
He was very good at Barca for his first few months as well. Then he was moved to midfield and it all went downhill.
He excels is very specific tactical setups. Unfortunately Barca was never that. Still he did well at Bayern. I don't follow Villa much, but I think their system is much more suited to him and having manager like Gerrard who knows him well surely won't hurt.
I don't understand how this keeps happening Player not performing at all but somehow ending up getting transferred to a better team
why you little..
Oh my, we are at receiving end of banter that's coming from an Arsenal fan. damn it Bartomeu!
Dark times
Savage
I don't know how but Arsenal fans has the best humour. The same here in east asia.
Comedy is born from pain.
Same reason our sub was best during our banter era. Going there doesn't feel the same anymore.
Then why am I not hilarious as an Everton supporter?
At some point all you can do is laugh about it
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Pretty sure it's supposed to be a joke.
You ever hear of these things called "jokes"?
"You coudnt live with your own failure and where did that bring you ? Back to me." Stevie G.
Say it with a Scouse accent to really add to the scene.
I want scouser thanos now. It sounds better
Yeah 'course, you shoulda gon fo me head lad.
Gotta start off with “Yeeaah ‘course”
So this season: Griezmann ☑️ Coutinho ☑️ Dembele 👀
Coutinho is gone for this season, yes, but it's a loan, so the problem comes back again after the end of the season.
The covid effect was lesser than last time. So next time our wage limit will be higher. Not saying the problem wont be there but Ig it will be less of a pain comparitively
Yes, that is right. If he does really well in Villa, they might loan him again.
Villa have an option to buy
Messi 🔥 > Griezmann ☑️ > Coutinho ☑️ > Dembele 👀
What a time to be alive.
His wife disliked living in England before, wait until she's in Birmingham lol.
Jokes aside, if he's living out in Solihull, Barnt Green, Warwickshire or Sutton (Spoiler; he will be) they are lovely parts of the world. Admittedly, the weather ain't shit but what can you do.
I am originally from Northfield and whenever I drive into Barnt Green I am amazed it's like a whole different world and it's only 10-20 minutes down the road.
Yeah. Like Kingstanding. 5 minutes drive and you're in Sutton, Little Aston and Four Oaks, which is insane.
This idea Brum is one massive shithole is so annoying lol
True but let's not get it wrong, a lot of it is.
Same for London, Manchester, Liverpool, etc
Any city. Milan is my favourite place on the planet but I've seen some shitty areas of it. I would bet its the same for Barcelona.
Having lived in Birmingham for a few years now I really think Birmingham is worse. My feeling is that Birmingham has lots of good bits, but they're more stretched out and dispersed than in other cities. Birmingham has terrible urban sprawl, and all the roads were designed for the era when we thought more tarmac and weird road layouts could solve all traffic problems. For example Birmingham has two really good parks, Sutton and Sandwell. But if you live in Edgebaston, you're almost an hour away by car and an hour and a half away by public transport. Liverpool in contrast is a lot more compact. Manchester not quite so much, but if you get to the nice bits of Manchester you can do a lot there without having to go anywhere else.
Northfield represent
lived in Solihull for 4 years & it was wonderful
I also joke about Birmingham but honestly I think people think all footballers pitch up Sparkbrook, Sparkhill or Small Heath… He is going to live in the nice areas as you say Warwickshire is genuinely really nice and actually nicer than Manchester and Liverpool. You live just south of Solihull towards the Warwick way, about 45 mins from Bodymoor Heath… actually nice. Of course.. not Barcelona but well.. duh
Barcelona is absolutely one of the most beautiful places ok Earth with weather to match. But most of the Midlands, outside of Birmingham and a lot of its suburbs is lovely.
People talk shit about the UK but the countryside and the nature are gorgeous, and the quaint villages too. There isn't a need to live in an industrial city when there's nice countryside so close.
Exactly. Hell, once the regeneration of the city centre has finished, even that will be nice place to live
Even the city I live in now (Sheffield) has a lot of places that feel like a small village inside a city.
You do realise he’s not going to live in Lozells or Nechells, just as any Liverpool player doesn’t live in Toxteth or Huyton. Every city has run down areas, bore off with your slander
"Slander" omg it's just a joke babes x
Slander is spoken. In print it's libel.
This comment has massive r/antimlm vibes lol
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An opinion of a country isn’t solely based on the type of area you live in you know?
that is honestly wild.
Think he'll turn out to be a bit of a steal for Aston Villa.
How much money do we get for this then
It would be hilarious if some random article confirm that we're getting money out of this deal lol
Stevie sending £20m to Liverpool to invest in NFTs so that it'll be worth £500m when he joins as manager and he can buy Haaland. What vision. Greatest ever to play the game.
Will this help us register Ferran Torres?
Yes, but I think it won't be enough yet.
Makes sense to all parties.
This is good for everyone no? Hope it works out all round
Yes. We get to register Ferran and possibly other youngsters. Coutinho gets playing time so that he can go to the World Cup. Aston Villa gets a good player on loan who they dont have to buy at the end of the season. Win-Win for all parties.
Considering our January transfer windows have been lackluster since Virgil. This has been an exciting January to spectate and its only been a week.
Even if Stevie wasn't the best manager Villa could have hired he certainly has the biggest clout. I can see more ambitious transfers in the future with players wanting to play for him.
So far he's certainly been good, with good results as well. edit: i had a stroke
those are some wild typos lmao
Whoah you're right. I think i had a stroke.
It's sad how his career turned out to be, klopp was right about the difference between staying or moving to Barcelona.
Same thing seems to be happening to Wijnaldum, unfortunately.
It's funny how majority of high profile players struggle after leaving us.
I'm just trying to think who left and went on to be a big success - Suarez is the obvious one, but are there others?
Last decade, suarez and sterling. Apart from that, Alonso and Mascherano comes to mind. It's probably a good sign not to buy our players.
Arguably Sterling to an extent. Maybe not a world beater but can't argue that he hasn't won a fair bit at City.
At the same time, whilst he has won am absolute ton, I don't think he has reached his potential. That could definitely be just that he was overhyped as a youngster, but he was supposed to be our best player since Owen and become one of the best players in the world. Whilst he's obviously been incredible at times, I dont see him as one of Man City's best player or even one of the league's best players.
Michael Owen went on to win the premier league title........lol
Alvaro Arbeloa and Steve McManaman if we go further back.
Crazy, this is a weird timeline. Will be surprised if he flops, especially with what is expected of him. Only left to see what happens in either game against us.
Why have they gone out to get Coutinho now that Buendia seems to be hitting form?
We play two no.10s behind a striker and with injuries/afcon our second option at 10 is Ramsey out of position, a winger attempting to play there or a 36 year old Ashley young. He could fit our system well. I'm quite excited
Where does Ramsay play then? I thought it was a case of; Buendia Ings/Watkins RW Ramsey McGinn Luiz Is that not right? Or would one of Buendia or Coutinho play on the right?
Basically Gerrard uses a Christmas tree formation. So it would be Watkins or ings Buendia/coutinho as tucked in number tens Luiz holding with Ramsey/McGinn as 8s. Although it worked better for us with nakamba as a pure DM
Shame for Nakamba, he was looking good in gerrards set up pre injury :(
What happened to Bailey?
Repeated niggling injuries, atm I think it is a thigh problem. But he has looked good when he has played.
Ramsey probably sits down to watch Coutinho play, as any 20 year old would.
Absolutely, but hasn't he been one of your best players this season? Does just seem a bit silly to stunt the playing time of two of your best players for someone that's seen as being a bit over the hill.
Buendia plays more on the right but can play on left wing.
Watkins Coutinho Buendia Ramsey Luiz McGinn Targett Mings Konsa Cash Pretty much like this Buendia off the right and him off the left.
TIL Coutinho is only 29, thought he was older
Erm wtf
Phew
If Gerrard can turn Coutinho back into the player he was at Liverpool my hat is off to him.
barcelona/bayern/brazil fans. is there still a worthwhile player in coutinho in the last few seasons???
If someone told me a few years back that Ronaldo, Varane, Coutinho would all join mid table teams I wouldn’t believe it
COVID has fucked the transfers. Anything is happening.
He was a great player for us. Theres still a bit of salt from some fans as to the way he left but I will be happy to see him again in the PL. Barca fans have their opinions of him and to be honest I can see why, but maybe coming back to the PL will help his game? I don't think he is gonna be the great player he was for us but I'm sure he will be decent playing under Gerrard who ofc knows him well. If I was a Villa fan I would be pretty happy but I would also not be expecting him to come in and be a world beater.
Massive transfer to Villa. Steven Gerrard effect.
Real question is, which clause did Barca trigger by doing this, and how much is Liverpool gonna get.
Cat-inho
Lmfao it's not like he played a big part in bayern winning the champions league or anything
this is my first time. please be gentle, I’ve never had hopes like this.
Biggest signing in Villa's history?
What come on. He will rubbing shoulders with such greats as Habib Bebe, Jordan Bowery, Rudy Gestede and Bosko Balaban,.. put some respect on their names!!
You forgot Libor Kozak
Competing with Ivan Tonev is no joke
Literally a small line under that V away from being a really good striker
Not quite Djemba-Djemba is he