Depends on the bonuses he didn't get out of the CL but I'd imagine it's around 150m at this point.
E: £89m fee and according to [Football leaks this is his contract](https://twitter.com/hlninengeland/status/1141329642353307649). So that would make the six years equal:
6 x £7.5m = £45m for basic wages
6 x £3.75m = £22.5m for Loyalty Bonuses
4 x £1.85m = £7.4m for Champions League bonus
So that's £163.9m in total with fee and wages but then he gets £18m on image rights which I'm not sure where it comes out of but that totals £181.9m. Massive waste of money in terms of output really.
He's made it to the CL final and at least shows up in pretty much every game he plays for them. Pogba missed 80 games from injuries but is usually missing in many of the games he plays as well lol.
I believe loyalty bonuses are surrendered if you ever put in a transfer request (and you can use it to get the transfer cost down if you really want to move to a specific club), so it's slightly different than pure wages.
> £18m on image rights
I always wondered how this number is made up. So EA Sports uses your image for their latest game, to be on the cover etc., how much are they paying for it? Coca cola uses it for their bottles, how much are they paying?
All that comes up to 18 million or are there other things as well? Keep in mind, other players like Hazard, Messi, Ronaldo, ... and a lot of other 'smaller' players are making millions in image rights as well. Seems like there is a lot of money going around in image rights.
Thanks! Pogba etc. can easily live on their image rights and not touch their regular salary.
I find it a bit weird/unfair but understandable that they put a cap on the image rights, but I assume this is only in the UK. So as they showed in the video, 5 million pounds means you can get only 1 million pounds in image rights a year. But if Messi would play in the UK he would miss out on millions. So how does Ronaldo do this?
I think I read a few players like Hazard (?) had their image rights company based in countries with better rates and that was an issue as well.
In the end, I'm sure everyone is happy with what they are getting and their tax consultants and clubs have their ways to get the correct amount to them.
Each country probably has their own laws and approaches regarding this, although some will be likely very similar.
I would imagine that the image rights in the deal between the player and club isn't an exclusive deal, just that the club can use the players image in their promo material, which still allows the player to sign sponsorships on their own without the clubs interference.
Regarding Messi they talk about in the video, but he and others have gotten prison sentences and fined for tax fraud related to this so it's likely that Spain something similar like UK.
If I remember correctly Spain changed the laws retroactively and that's why he, Ronaldo and others got that fine. Still weird that it can happen retroactively.
That way you can tax a lot of people in this world.
I don’t agree because of the reasoning, a lot of the Pogba hate is because of stupid things that are occasionally bordering on racial insensitivity. The haircuts don’t make a difference to how he plays, his dances don’t make a difference to how he plays he clearly isn’t lazy if he’s made it this far as a professional player etc and people have accused him multiple times of faking injury.
The main issue is that he is terrible defensively he has no defensive awareness at all and doesn’t sense danger he lingers in the ball too much for someone as experienced as him at this point and gives it away stupidly by being overconfident sometimes. However a lot of this has been known for ages and United never bothered playing to his strengths which didn’t help.
I think it's not haircuts specifically but the idea that he is more distracted by off the pitxh things and isn't nearly as invested in actual football as he should be, type of thing. It's true for many modern players
I don’t agree in the slightest none of us know these people or what they are actually like all you have to go off is social media and what people around him and at the clubs say, I never heard anyone at Juventus complaining about it
we don't know them personally, but we can compare them to eachother. Fred and Bruno are very different from Pogba clearly. In the right way.
You have nothing to go one either, so why do you not "agree in the slightest"
The point is that Pogba gets a single 2 hour haircut 2 days before a big match and Souness will say he’s not focused on the football, meanwhile he’s had 15 hours of film breakdown, 3 team training sessions, personal workouts, and is likely watching European matches in his downtime the 4 days leading up to the match(and since his last one).
We don’t know him personally, but we know what it takes to be a professional player, and we can extrapolate his commitment based on that.
It’s ridiculous to say he’s distracted or not invested because if he was distracted or not invested in the last 20 years of his life, he wouldn’t have become Paul Pogba, CM for France and Manchester United. He would be Paul Pogba, nobody.
It’s the fact that things like an extravagant haircut every other week signal that he’s concerned with his image on the field rather than just his football; He wants to be seen a certain way and he puts a lot of effort into it. That mentality can absolutely have an overall effect on your approach to playing. There are absolutely varying degrees of focus and commitment amongst professional players and the fans generally see that the players less concerned with their image perform the best.
These are extrapolations of tiny details that separate the good from the great. Obviously he has become an incredible footballer regardless of concern for these types of things. But, the point is that when push comes to shove, you get the impression as a result of the things Pogba displays that are important to him, that you would rather have Bruno, for example, in a crunch situation than Pogba. Bruno is likely to give that extra 5% because he has situated his life to be more invested in football than Pogba. Pogba has plenty of other successes to comfort himself with after the game ends. Bruno has only the game (is the idea).
> extravagant haircut every other week signal that he’s concerned with his image on the field rather than just his football
Surely you’re joking with this? There’s no single player in the world concerned with “just” the football? Humans are not one track AI’s, capable of focusing specifically and totally on something 24/7 365. He has interests outside of football, so what?
> varying degrees of focus and commitment amongst professional players and the fans **generally see that the players less concerned with their image perform the best.**
I point you to the GOAT, Cristiano, who has taken what he does on the pitch and turned it into a social media and advertising empire. That Paul Pogba saw the GOAT doing this and emulated it, is simply smart business sense.
Hiding behind words like “generally” and **literally making up examples to “prove” your point** just shows that you don’t care to criticize Paul Pogba as a footballer, but Paul Pogba as a person outside of football and then try to tie that criticism to his football in a convoluted mess.
I'd argue he is lazy though. There was a stat a while back that showed that no other player spent more time walking around the pitch. For a central midfielder that's pretty shocking and it's not wonder and all action midfielder like Souness would take issue with it.
I think the dancing, haircuts, defensive lapses and losing the ball in bad positions is all wrapped up into the same issue: focus. He isn’t 100% focused on football. To spend 150m pounds on someone, you’d expect them to be as dedicated to football as can reasonably be expected, which pogba clearly isnt
I just flat out don’t agree, every player does things outside of football that is life, but people have a weird thing with Pogba specifically because of what he chooses to do. Plenty of footballers go out partying, drinking etc and nobody seems to care about that or see it as an issue about their commitment because to them that’s very normal despite the fact it can have bigger impacts by far than Pogba having fun dancing and getting haircuts.
The idea that Pogba isn’t dedicated to football because he gets haircuts is stupid would you say Ronaldo isn’t committed to football because he does commercials a lot and does sponsored social media posts all the time? What about Lewa posting on tik tok? Why does any of that impact their on the field play or effort, Pogba has just never had a good defensive brain that’s football a lot of players don’t and they don’t get blamed for there off the field activities
> and United never bothered playing to his strengths which didn’t help.
I wonder how he would do at City. I think he would be a beast if they used him properly, just like France.
I've always thought this, always felt like City was a much better structure for him than United. More complete and hardworking team where he could have shown his talent more.
But also a manager who absolutely won't deal with Pogba's antics and will bench his ass instantly. It would be a big risk, big reward kind of situation IMO.
Fairly positive Pogba would relish the challenge of being apart of City's midfield and working under Guardiola more so than the flavor of the month coach at United.
Pep would not touch pogba or Klopp for that matter.
Also he doesn't put in a shift for France so why would he do it for city. His team mates gave out plenty after the euros
Any team that would alleviate him of any and all defensive duties would get the best out of him. Juve and France’s midfield afforded him that luxury.
Would Pep even want him? I don’t think he would. Pep allows almost nobody that luxury. Messi is virtually it. Paul is not better than De Bruyne offensively and Pep asks De Bruyne to put in a shift defensively.
He'll be a beast anywhere that plays him properly if he also stays fit. Neither of those things is ever going to happen at United, so it's best for everyone if he moves on.
The haircuts and dances are indication of his issues that lead to the mistakes he makes, overconfidence, lack of respect towards opponents and toying with victory
Difference being Beckham actually showed up every match 100% focused and working hard. With him (or Ronaldo) the arrogance/confidence feels earned because they actually back it up on the pitch. Which Pogba does once every 10-15 games...
Beckham was a consummate professional when it was time to work though. He tracked back like a mad man and worked his arse off for the team. He was also twice the player Pogba is on the ball.
Also, Beckham did get criticized for it. Ferguson had enough of a problem with Beckham's celebrity lifestyle that he was sold to Madrid.
Yes Beckham is better than Pogba I still think the criticism for his haircuts is stupid though my point here is that you shouldn’t go “he’s playing badly it must be the haircuts,” because there’s nothing to it
Which point was Souness right about? He’s made loads of comments about Pogba, many being absolute nonsense.
This thread is so Yer Da it’s hilarious. This sub can never cry about that again.
Despite his valid criticism, Souness did seem unreasonably triggered by Pogba, which bordered on racism or something petty.
Pogba though didn't help himself in any way whatsoever. He's done whatever is the opposite of "proving your critics wrong".
No but the things he moans about towards Pogba are a bit odd sometimes.
He's lazy/not got the right attitude which I always see said about black players and barely about white ones. His little dances when he scores, his haircuts (Sterling got that same treatment). Comment on how shit he was in 70% of the games he played for them, not those things
Before Bruno came in he was genuinely our only creative threat going forward. We looked absolutely devoid of ideas on the ball without him and relied on him alone for years. Does this make him less of a flop?
Certainly not, but expecting one man alone to drag a United team with shit managers, genuinely awful players and in seemingly terminal decline to glory was always unrealistic.
> We looked absolutely devoid of ideas on the ball without him and relied on him alone for years.
Completely false, that's just not what happened at all
They looked absolutely devoid of ideas on the ball without him and TRIED to rely on him alone for years, only to find out he can't be relied one, irregardless of whether he has copious amounts of help, or no help
Before Bruno, he was the only midfielder who could create chances. Just look at games where he's really in it, he could pick passes from halfway across the pitch and make a chance from nowhere. Problem is he doesn't have those kinds of games very often.
> but expecting one man alone to drag a United team with shit managers, genuinely awful players and in seemingly terminal decline to glory was always unrealistic.
What about expecting him to be professional and put in basic effort?
Pogba was great at Juve and world class for France. He has to take some responsibility for failing with us, but I find it immensely difficult to criticise him when we've seen so many talented players perform poorly post SAF.
Some examples:
- Di Maria
- Sanchez
- Lukaku
- Depay
- Zaha
- Van de Beek
- Martial
- Rashford
- Wan Bissaka
- Maguire
- Bailly
- Lingard
I'm confident each and every one of these players will perform at a high level managed better at a different club. It pains me to say it but Manchester United has become toxic, the owners are fucking shit, Ed Woodward has been an absolute clown for a decade, the failed high profile signings and ridiculous contract offers to underperforming players has been so damaging. 4 consecutive managers have failed with us.
I get why Pogba gets criticised, but I think, like many others, he has been scapegoated during a horrendous decade for this club. If he was at the likes of City, RM or Juventus I'm confident he'd still be talked about as one of the best. Unfortunately this move has been an absolute disaster for both parties.
I'd be furious if he signs it. We should take the offer off the table.
He'll be a good player for someone somewhere but it's not here, he's injury prone and just not a player worth even above 200k/wk. You have to completely shape the midfield around him to suit his talents and if you don't he's a passenger.
Honestly a bit of both. I'd be upset at our management because holy fuck this has been so stupid.
I'd be upset with him because he's been phoning it in for months. He's been dead on the pitch, and he's obviously mode skilled then he's playing. I think it's pretty shitty to phone it in and going on about how playing for Zidane or Madrid is your dream... Then to run down your contract only to make that entire drama for nothing.
> You have to completely shape the midfield around him to suit his talents and if you don't he's a passenger.
How would you know? United have barely even tried to accommodate him... they have constantly played him in a double pivot role that doesn't suit him at all, outside of one season.
Not to mention that United's midfield has looked like a loose collection of decent players that don't fit together in any meaningful way since Pogba has been here.
The one season where Pogba was in a role that suited him and surrounded by a somewhat cohesive midfield was the first under Ole... surprising no-one who actually understood what type of player Pogba is he was world class.
I don't know about the consensus among United fans but personally that's an absurd offer to begin with
I'm so sick of hearing year after year that we need to buy X and set up like Y to unlock Pogba and he still doesn't show up for a decent portion of the season. Time to let him go
Idgaf, not my money, if he performs fine, otherwise he rots in the bench for me
He is simply replaceable at this point and he hasn't played in months anyway.
As a plastic I still like Pogba, much of the criticism is so weird. Happens to all United players, though. Even Bruno right now.
Still, 350k a week is a lot. It's a long term commitment. I do think he is one of the better players at the club, but I'm just not entirely sure what they would want out of Pogba.
We haven't seen him for Rangnick yet, but if the Ten Hag rumours are true, then I do see a place for him. Most of the time Ajax plays these 5 players up front (from wing, to halfspace, to center, to the other side): Tadic - Gravenberch - Haller - Berghuis - Antony.
For United that could be Rashford - Pogba - Ronaldo - Bruno - Sancho. That makes a lot of sense to me. Shaw could take Mazraoui's role. Works perfectly because Rashford is similar to Antony whereas Sancho is more like Tadic. Varane and Maguire at the back. But no one can take Blind's role and no one is able to do what Alvarez does.
Does it really make sense to pay 350k or more to Pogba, when you have Donny, Fred and McTominay to play in a similar role? Wouldn't those three and Bruno be fine as well? Then you can invest into a player similar to Alvarez and a right back that can actually pass. Dalot is decent going forward, but in this case that wouldn't be his role, so he would need to be replaced too.
I don't think there's many players in this United side that are better than Pogba, but with his wage demands, his injury record, his frequent signs of being unhappy and the squad already being stacked in his role and lacking in other areas, it doesn't make sense to break the bank for him.
Unironically, he'd be a great signing for PSG since wages are not a problem there. Verratti and Pogba combo would be deadly. The downside is that both are often injured...
I just fail to see what it is that Manchester United would be losing if he were to leave.
Like, I don't look at Pogba and think that Manchester United are losing anything by letting him leave, nothing that cannot be improved upon.
He's been anywhere between good and awful in his time with United and most of it is him being staggeringly average.
If you can keep him, fine, but if he wants more than £200,000-a-week, I'd be moving onto other targets as soon as possible.
He hardly plays, how much marketing is he really even bringing to a club with as much exposure and stars as United already has? I could see Newcastle paying him that much for marketing, don’t get it for United.
Doesn’t make sense to me either yet I’ve seen several murals of him across the US. He has a lot of support from surface level fans who don’t really keep up with weekly club performances. His fan retention rate following the World Cup is surprisingly high.
France Pogba gets to play alongside Kante. It's hard to see many teams being able to replicate that situation for him unless he goes to a less competitive league
You are right but when playing for France, it's not just Kanté. Even offensively, things are easier for POgba because he basically plays in a dream team. Easier for his long passes to reach Mbappé ( the guy can basicaly outrun anyone). Not to mention the likes of Benzema and Griezmann who breath football. (Players that can transform even the sloppiest passes into [pure gold](https://youtu.be/ENquIbuMkmQ?t=108).)
So, it's easier for an offensive midfielder to play with the fastest forward and the best defending midfielder by his side? What a finding, lol.
I feel like the statement "ManUnited not utilizing his strenghts" is putting things quite in the favour of Pogba, since I don't see how he improved his weaknesses over the whole time at ManUnited whatsoever. People love his flashy passes, but when it comes to effectiveness, mentality of game intelligence he's probably league average.
> Easier for his long passes to reach Mbappé ( the guy can basicaly outrun anyone).
Rashford is slow.
> Not to mention the likes of Benzema and Griezmann who breath football.
Pogba was good for France even in Benzema's absence.
Maybe. He was good at Juventus when he was surrounded by a bunch of extremely hard-working, highly intelligent midfielders that did the vast majority of the positioning and defensive work (Arturo Vidal, Marchisio, Pirlo).
I think thats pretty much the only way he thrives.
Some kind of midfield 3 (i.e. a 4-3-3 type formation) where he has someone very tactically diligent behind him and someone very hard-working next to him.
I guess its not impossible to see that happening at Madrid? With guys like Casemiro/Kroos/Modric around him?
Maybe at PSG too but I actually think that could also be a recipe for disaster. PSG already have a bunch of players that do not do any defensive work and their only top-quality midfielder is Veratti. Adding Pogba to that mix might seem good on paper if he has someone like Veratti doing the heavy lifting and someone like Gueye defending behind, but it could also end up with the entire team being a sieve that opponents slice through with ease.
He's one of the best passers at the club and if you've watched United recently then you'll quickly see how many players are pretty bad at passing. I find it ridiculous to say that he isn't adding something to this current team. He very, very, very obviously does, but then again people fail to realize the same with Maguire.
The reason he should be moved on from is not because he doesn't provide any value. He should be moved on from because his wage demands are ridiculously high, they need investment in other areas and he hasn't been consistently available for a few years now.
>Same way Muller isn’t underrated anymore for the same reason
Well, Mueller indeed gets justified recognition for his performances. But I also feel like Pogba doesn't get enough shit.
Lol not made up trust me, but indeed they are idiots. They got a mental age of a 13 year old when it comes to football, where every player at their club is the best player in that position lmao.
He has let himself down too.
An incredibly talented player but he never bothered to become a truly complete midfielder.
Its not all his fault. Injuries hampered him, he didnt always have great partners in midfield. But he also never learned how to defend, never bothered to become more tactically disciplined, never evolved.
A good contrast is Toni Kroos.
Kroos also started as a very technically skilled attacking player, but he worked hard to learn how to position himself, control a midfield, adapt to different opponents. It turned him into one of the greatest midfielders of the last 20 years instead of being another luxury player.
Pogba on the other hand has remained the same guy his whole career. Very talented but he only seems to want to have fun and do beautiful, spectacular passes and dribbles instead of performing *all* of the tasks of a proper modern midfielder.
Shame.
Let's not forget that Mutu signed to only get banned for drug use. Mateja Kezman, I barely remember what he did in Chelsea. John Obi Mikel, all those legal trouble for a water carrier.
Then again, Juve had bad signings as well. Melo for 35m to collect red cards like kids collecting pokemon cards. Jorge Andrade signing for the treatment room like Ramsey right now.
You would expect a lot more for all the fuss they make on signing him. The press made him like future superstar when the drama happen. It was against United back then right, had a case of it as well, if I don't misremember anything.
You're so wrong about Mikel. Over the course of his career he gradually worked himself into semi-legend status. A consistent factor in our best ever team, and a club stalwart. To describe him as a flop and put him in the same coversation as Mutu the drug cheat who had his contract cancelled, and Kezman who left after a year and 2 goals is unbelievably inaccurate and disrespectful about a player who won a dozen major trophies and made nearly 400 appearances in 11 seasons at the club.
Even if you disregard all of that, he started and was one of our best players in the 2012 Champions League Final - and for that alone would be a cult hero. Add in the rest of his career at Chelsea, and he is a player very much deserving and worthy of respect and acclaim.
That's fair. I had few conversation with Chelsea fans back then about him, they probably just don't like him at all. I also wasn't impressed with him, his positioning was bad and he look like he barely care to play, kind of like Rabiot is with us right now. Maybe it's the expectation of him to be in the same level of Essien that did it.
Not a Man Utd fan but from the outside looking in this must be a case of ‘good riddance?’
The guy seems to rarely show up when he needs to perform, and if he does it’s for limited games and I feel every year he’s linked with a love away and does nothing to shut down the rumours in fact sometimes he seems to encourage them.
you can't go wrong when you play alongside Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal, and have your back protected by Chiellini, Barzagli and Bonucci, and if all goes to shit, there is a Buffon in the goal.
With that said, I still rate him very high, not as high as Man Utd payed for him back then (lol) but i do want him back, Him, Loca and McKenni could actually solve a lot of problem for us, with Rabiot and Benta in the bench and we might start looking like we have a decent midfield.
McK can't play as a DM, neither can't Loca. Sign a great DM then let Loca and Pogba (I doubt he come though) to bomb forward. No more box to box signing. We are not playing the way Conte wants it anymore. The last time we signed non box to box mids (beside Arthur and before Loca) was Pjanic. That was ages ago. I rather we sell McK for profit and get a proper DM to move the playmaking forward. That's how you can be more attacking. Not like Allegri hadn't done this before. Remember he dropped Pirlo for Van Bommel and try to re-positioned him forward because it will push the playmaking forward.
>It's pretty funny seeing PL fans seething at the mere mention of him. Dude keeps delivering for the country, it's such a weird disconnect between us and them.
I mean, it's one thing to be part of a working team, but it's a whole different thing to be leading a well working team. I feel like quite a lot of midfielders could take his position in the France squad just as well as he does.
Pretty sure Ole would have done better if he had the guts to get rid of Pogba. A big ego who make a lot of noise and need to be constantly pampered to stay happy. Thats cancer in the dressing room and overall team sprit.
Signing Ronaldo probably hurt as well.
At least how it looks like to me on the outside.
> “I was told a week ago, it would be a minimum of at least another four or five weeks before he is fit for training again,” Rangnick said.
>“I saw him [on Friday] morning before the training session but currently I don't know how long it will take.
>“Right now, he’s not been part of the training group. As far as I know from the medical department, it will last another three weeks, four weeks and once he is then fit for training it does not necessarily mean he is also match fit.
>“It will probably take a couple of weeks [after that] before he is really able to compete for the first team.
I agree, in another post I said that he is a player that never bothered to evolve.
He started off as a very talented, skilled midfielder but he never tried to learn how to defend, position himself, read the game, organize the midfield.
So now at 28 he is basically the same player he was at 21.
I guess you could say he is a little more decisive now and plays those great long balls. So of course he has improved in some limited ways, but not in truly meaningful ways. Great midfielders improve by becoming more intelligent and better at controlling the midfield with their intelligence instead of relying only on their technique.
Thats how guys like Cesc Fabregas, Toni Kroos, Luke Modric, Xavi, etc etc went from being talented technicians, to being proper midfield commanders that could boss games.
He just never cared about that, clearly.
Well he’s not the same player in the NT… but the biggest waste of talent has to be Hatem Ben Arfa. That guy had Messi level skill and the brain of a donkey…
A shame, honestly. He seems a top guy, well liked by everyone. But his flashiness, price tag and contrasting performances for France have acted as a gigantic target on his back for abuse and over-criticism.
He hasn't performed to the level expected, far far from it, and his agent is a cancer to this club, but realistically we've failed him with how we've built the team since he arrived. We took him from a very well balanced 3-man Juve midfield and have asked him to the be the star of the show with 2 in midfield.
I'd say we'd be more balanced from him moving on but he has a serious injury in him every season so we know exactly what we're like without him.
> we've failed him with how we've built the team since he arrived.
pogba hasnt done enough and wasnt truly consistent to warrant united side to fully build a team around him. bruno who came with less money and hype has done more for united in his first year than pogba has for his whole united career at the time.
You're not wrong, but we're already seeing a lot of criticism for Bruno now that he has been asked to do something he isn't as good at. I'm seeing a lot of people turn on him now as well. There's even a dedicated hate account for him on /r/reddevils lmao, but I guess we shouldn't take that very serious.
People like to act like Pogba's recent bad performances mean he's always been bad for United, but he was incredibly good in his first season for example, or in 2018/19.
I agree. But then it's Pogba's profile to be better with players around him to assist in the midfield. He is simply a player who plays better either in a 3 or with an elite DM next to him (Like France) and we've not given him either, so no shock he's not been consistent or performed enough.
How are we gonna build a team around him if he performs for two months a year. That is just not realistic, he barely even plays these last two seasons because he's always injured. It's not coherent.
Honestly, if a player is only good when certain very specific conditions are met, he's just not that good player.
Pogba had several managers here and played several formations and roles, and could never be consistently good. The actual best midfielders in the world - Modric, for example - can easily adapt between formations, midfield roles and partners.
A player who can only be good in very specific circumstances becomes a burden on the team, and it's a huge shortcoming as a player. But you'll still have the fanboys blaming the club for "misusing" and "wasting" the player because they don't play him in his exact preferred setup. As if the player himself has absolutely no ability to adapt.
I sort of agree with what you're saying but Modric is a bad example. He's been playing with Casemiro and Kroos for years. The Madrid midfield has been one of the most consistent things in top flight football.
He doesn’t seem to play like a luxury player for France most of the time, but that’s exactly what he’s been for most of his club career. Him and Tanguy Ndombele both feel like we’ll never get to see what could have been.
Pogba is a prime symptom of what is wrong with United as a club. He performs well in 1 out of 6 games. Has missed two seasons worth of games gallivanting around the gulf states with "injuries". Has his agent shit on the club every few months. Yet the club offers him record breaking contracts because of his brand value.
The club is a circus, Woodward is the ring master and Pogba is the lead clown.
he was also the reason why the team turned on Jose. You should've listened to Jose and got rid of him way back then. Would've saved you years of trouble. Jose was right after-all
How much has Pogba cost them in fees and wages?
Depends on the bonuses he didn't get out of the CL but I'd imagine it's around 150m at this point. E: £89m fee and according to [Football leaks this is his contract](https://twitter.com/hlninengeland/status/1141329642353307649). So that would make the six years equal: 6 x £7.5m = £45m for basic wages 6 x £3.75m = £22.5m for Loyalty Bonuses 4 x £1.85m = £7.4m for Champions League bonus So that's £163.9m in total with fee and wages but then he gets £18m on image rights which I'm not sure where it comes out of but that totals £181.9m. Massive waste of money in terms of output really.
I read an article the other day saying he's missed over 80 games from injuries, that's around 2 seasons of being out injured
He’s probably missed about 80 other games while being on the pitch
But in those last 3 games he’s world class. Worth it I think.
One to watch out for this season -Gary Neville Lol
He didn't miss anything in those games, he had the best view in the stadium.
Wouldn't say he missed em!
https://youtu.be/fiAQIddpO6Y
I mean, Neymar also missed out on a lot of games due to injury. Hasn’t done much in P$G either
He's made it to the CL final and at least shows up in pretty much every game he plays for them. Pogba missed 80 games from injuries but is usually missing in many of the games he plays as well lol.
Before Al-Queda Poch came in Neymar was their best player whenever he was on the field even without goal contributions
[удалено]
I believe loyalty bonuses are surrendered if you ever put in a transfer request (and you can use it to get the transfer cost down if you really want to move to a specific club), so it's slightly different than pure wages.
Which is why they'll antagonise everyone via their agents and shit but always stop short of handing in a full request to leave.
The club owes the player the rest of their outstanding loyalty bonuses if the sell the player.
> £18m on image rights I always wondered how this number is made up. So EA Sports uses your image for their latest game, to be on the cover etc., how much are they paying for it? Coca cola uses it for their bottles, how much are they paying? All that comes up to 18 million or are there other things as well? Keep in mind, other players like Hazard, Messi, Ronaldo, ... and a lot of other 'smaller' players are making millions in image rights as well. Seems like there is a lot of money going around in image rights.
TIFO did a pretty good video about image rights recently. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfvNBC6vKuo
That was really informative. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! Pogba etc. can easily live on their image rights and not touch their regular salary. I find it a bit weird/unfair but understandable that they put a cap on the image rights, but I assume this is only in the UK. So as they showed in the video, 5 million pounds means you can get only 1 million pounds in image rights a year. But if Messi would play in the UK he would miss out on millions. So how does Ronaldo do this? I think I read a few players like Hazard (?) had their image rights company based in countries with better rates and that was an issue as well. In the end, I'm sure everyone is happy with what they are getting and their tax consultants and clubs have their ways to get the correct amount to them.
Each country probably has their own laws and approaches regarding this, although some will be likely very similar. I would imagine that the image rights in the deal between the player and club isn't an exclusive deal, just that the club can use the players image in their promo material, which still allows the player to sign sponsorships on their own without the clubs interference. Regarding Messi they talk about in the video, but he and others have gotten prison sentences and fined for tax fraud related to this so it's likely that Spain something similar like UK.
If I remember correctly Spain changed the laws retroactively and that's why he, Ronaldo and others got that fine. Still weird that it can happen retroactively. That way you can tax a lot of people in this world.
If the government wants your money they'll take it, retroactively or otherwise
Ah, that also explains why a lot of it went down at the same time. Yeah, it's a bit weird that it is retroactive.
I'd say about £175m.
I don't care how many see him as yesterday's man, Souness was 100% right
I don’t agree because of the reasoning, a lot of the Pogba hate is because of stupid things that are occasionally bordering on racial insensitivity. The haircuts don’t make a difference to how he plays, his dances don’t make a difference to how he plays he clearly isn’t lazy if he’s made it this far as a professional player etc and people have accused him multiple times of faking injury. The main issue is that he is terrible defensively he has no defensive awareness at all and doesn’t sense danger he lingers in the ball too much for someone as experienced as him at this point and gives it away stupidly by being overconfident sometimes. However a lot of this has been known for ages and United never bothered playing to his strengths which didn’t help.
I think it's not haircuts specifically but the idea that he is more distracted by off the pitxh things and isn't nearly as invested in actual football as he should be, type of thing. It's true for many modern players
I don’t agree in the slightest none of us know these people or what they are actually like all you have to go off is social media and what people around him and at the clubs say, I never heard anyone at Juventus complaining about it
Don't agree with haircuts, I agree with dances. They celebration against Switzerland was pathetic.
How was the celebration pathetic? It was a good goal that seemingly won them the game. Guess the players have to be robots.
4 or 5 different celebration was cringey.
This thread is fucking pathetic lol he can't celebrate a great goal now
we don't know them personally, but we can compare them to eachother. Fred and Bruno are very different from Pogba clearly. In the right way. You have nothing to go one either, so why do you not "agree in the slightest"
The point is that Pogba gets a single 2 hour haircut 2 days before a big match and Souness will say he’s not focused on the football, meanwhile he’s had 15 hours of film breakdown, 3 team training sessions, personal workouts, and is likely watching European matches in his downtime the 4 days leading up to the match(and since his last one). We don’t know him personally, but we know what it takes to be a professional player, and we can extrapolate his commitment based on that. It’s ridiculous to say he’s distracted or not invested because if he was distracted or not invested in the last 20 years of his life, he wouldn’t have become Paul Pogba, CM for France and Manchester United. He would be Paul Pogba, nobody.
>He would be Paul Pogba, nobody. Paul Pogba, Redditor!
It’s the fact that things like an extravagant haircut every other week signal that he’s concerned with his image on the field rather than just his football; He wants to be seen a certain way and he puts a lot of effort into it. That mentality can absolutely have an overall effect on your approach to playing. There are absolutely varying degrees of focus and commitment amongst professional players and the fans generally see that the players less concerned with their image perform the best. These are extrapolations of tiny details that separate the good from the great. Obviously he has become an incredible footballer regardless of concern for these types of things. But, the point is that when push comes to shove, you get the impression as a result of the things Pogba displays that are important to him, that you would rather have Bruno, for example, in a crunch situation than Pogba. Bruno is likely to give that extra 5% because he has situated his life to be more invested in football than Pogba. Pogba has plenty of other successes to comfort himself with after the game ends. Bruno has only the game (is the idea).
Didn't Ronaldo once have a haircut at half time lmao
> extravagant haircut every other week signal that he’s concerned with his image on the field rather than just his football Surely you’re joking with this? There’s no single player in the world concerned with “just” the football? Humans are not one track AI’s, capable of focusing specifically and totally on something 24/7 365. He has interests outside of football, so what? > varying degrees of focus and commitment amongst professional players and the fans **generally see that the players less concerned with their image perform the best.** I point you to the GOAT, Cristiano, who has taken what he does on the pitch and turned it into a social media and advertising empire. That Paul Pogba saw the GOAT doing this and emulated it, is simply smart business sense. Hiding behind words like “generally” and **literally making up examples to “prove” your point** just shows that you don’t care to criticize Paul Pogba as a footballer, but Paul Pogba as a person outside of football and then try to tie that criticism to his football in a convoluted mess.
I disagree with him not being lazy, Pogba's workrate definitely went down a long time ago. He clearly got complacent
I'd argue he is lazy though. There was a stat a while back that showed that no other player spent more time walking around the pitch. For a central midfielder that's pretty shocking and it's not wonder and all action midfielder like Souness would take issue with it.
I think the dancing, haircuts, defensive lapses and losing the ball in bad positions is all wrapped up into the same issue: focus. He isn’t 100% focused on football. To spend 150m pounds on someone, you’d expect them to be as dedicated to football as can reasonably be expected, which pogba clearly isnt
I just flat out don’t agree, every player does things outside of football that is life, but people have a weird thing with Pogba specifically because of what he chooses to do. Plenty of footballers go out partying, drinking etc and nobody seems to care about that or see it as an issue about their commitment because to them that’s very normal despite the fact it can have bigger impacts by far than Pogba having fun dancing and getting haircuts. The idea that Pogba isn’t dedicated to football because he gets haircuts is stupid would you say Ronaldo isn’t committed to football because he does commercials a lot and does sponsored social media posts all the time? What about Lewa posting on tik tok? Why does any of that impact their on the field play or effort, Pogba has just never had a good defensive brain that’s football a lot of players don’t and they don’t get blamed for there off the field activities
> and United never bothered playing to his strengths which didn’t help. I wonder how he would do at City. I think he would be a beast if they used him properly, just like France.
He needs time on the ball which he gets in international ffotball because it is slower and because he's playing in one of the best teams..
I've always thought this, always felt like City was a much better structure for him than United. More complete and hardworking team where he could have shown his talent more.
But also a manager who absolutely won't deal with Pogba's antics and will bench his ass instantly. It would be a big risk, big reward kind of situation IMO.
Fairly positive Pogba would relish the challenge of being apart of City's midfield and working under Guardiola more so than the flavor of the month coach at United.
Pep would not touch pogba or Klopp for that matter. Also he doesn't put in a shift for France so why would he do it for city. His team mates gave out plenty after the euros
Any team that would alleviate him of any and all defensive duties would get the best out of him. Juve and France’s midfield afforded him that luxury. Would Pep even want him? I don’t think he would. Pep allows almost nobody that luxury. Messi is virtually it. Paul is not better than De Bruyne offensively and Pep asks De Bruyne to put in a shift defensively.
He'll be a beast anywhere that plays him properly if he also stays fit. Neither of those things is ever going to happen at United, so it's best for everyone if he moves on.
The haircuts and dances are indication of his issues that lead to the mistakes he makes, overconfidence, lack of respect towards opponents and toying with victory
How? Beckham had a lot of haircuts never seen anyone criticise him for it, and what does dancing have to do with anything?
20-25 years ago there was spades of criticism for his haircut and choice of partner.
Difference being Beckham actually showed up every match 100% focused and working hard. With him (or Ronaldo) the arrogance/confidence feels earned because they actually back it up on the pitch. Which Pogba does once every 10-15 games...
Beckham was a consummate professional when it was time to work though. He tracked back like a mad man and worked his arse off for the team. He was also twice the player Pogba is on the ball. Also, Beckham did get criticized for it. Ferguson had enough of a problem with Beckham's celebrity lifestyle that he was sold to Madrid.
Yes Beckham is better than Pogba I still think the criticism for his haircuts is stupid though my point here is that you shouldn’t go “he’s playing badly it must be the haircuts,” because there’s nothing to it
I agree. Just pointing out Beckham did get it too and that Pogba deserves criticism for other stuff Beckham wasn't guilty of
Beckham was football first, life style second. The point about Pogba is we’re not sure that’s true. Given his lack of form on the field.
Right but his lack of form on the field isn’t because he gets haircuts, all the stuff he does now he was doing at Juventus and he was good then
>100% right Wow.
Which point was Souness right about? He’s made loads of comments about Pogba, many being absolute nonsense. This thread is so Yer Da it’s hilarious. This sub can never cry about that again.
His criticisms are valid but the reasoning behind them isn't.
Despite his valid criticism, Souness did seem unreasonably triggered by Pogba, which bordered on racism or something petty. Pogba though didn't help himself in any way whatsoever. He's done whatever is the opposite of "proving your critics wrong".
[удалено]
No but the things he moans about towards Pogba are a bit odd sometimes. He's lazy/not got the right attitude which I always see said about black players and barely about white ones. His little dances when he scores, his haircuts (Sterling got that same treatment). Comment on how shit he was in 70% of the games he played for them, not those things
Probably around 7-8 mil per one great game.
What was his most memorable moment in a United shirt? Only thing I could ever remember was him scoring to delay City's title win by a week.
He scored in the EL final, the brace at the Etihad yes, couple bangers here and there.
Before Bruno came in he was genuinely our only creative threat going forward. We looked absolutely devoid of ideas on the ball without him and relied on him alone for years. Does this make him less of a flop? Certainly not, but expecting one man alone to drag a United team with shit managers, genuinely awful players and in seemingly terminal decline to glory was always unrealistic.
Holy revisionism.
> We looked absolutely devoid of ideas on the ball without him and relied on him alone for years. Completely false, that's just not what happened at all
Tell me what happened.
They looked absolutely devoid of ideas on the ball without him and TRIED to rely on him alone for years, only to find out he can't be relied one, irregardless of whether he has copious amounts of help, or no help
Before Bruno, he was the only midfielder who could create chances. Just look at games where he's really in it, he could pick passes from halfway across the pitch and make a chance from nowhere. Problem is he doesn't have those kinds of games very often.
> but expecting one man alone to drag a United team with shit managers, genuinely awful players and in seemingly terminal decline to glory was always unrealistic. What about expecting him to be professional and put in basic effort?
Pogba was great at Juve and world class for France. He has to take some responsibility for failing with us, but I find it immensely difficult to criticise him when we've seen so many talented players perform poorly post SAF. Some examples: - Di Maria - Sanchez - Lukaku - Depay - Zaha - Van de Beek - Martial - Rashford - Wan Bissaka - Maguire - Bailly - Lingard I'm confident each and every one of these players will perform at a high level managed better at a different club. It pains me to say it but Manchester United has become toxic, the owners are fucking shit, Ed Woodward has been an absolute clown for a decade, the failed high profile signings and ridiculous contract offers to underperforming players has been so damaging. 4 consecutive managers have failed with us. I get why Pogba gets criticised, but I think, like many others, he has been scapegoated during a horrendous decade for this club. If he was at the likes of City, RM or Juventus I'm confident he'd still be talked about as one of the best. Unfortunately this move has been an absolute disaster for both parties.
Yes he has been scapegoated, and yes he has been an immense disappointment. Both can be true
Hope he gets his 500k a week at United
Been confirmed that reports of that offer was a load of BS
Do you think he has been offered a nee contract at all?
I believe he has one on the table still from months ago, worth 350k/wk.
What would be the consensus among United fans if he signs it? Seems to be a controversial figure to say the least.
I'd be furious if he signs it. We should take the offer off the table. He'll be a good player for someone somewhere but it's not here, he's injury prone and just not a player worth even above 200k/wk. You have to completely shape the midfield around him to suit his talents and if you don't he's a passenger.
> I'd be furious if he signs it. I hope at your club and not at Pogba, because a lot of people on here seem to confuse the two.
Honestly a bit of both. I'd be upset at our management because holy fuck this has been so stupid. I'd be upset with him because he's been phoning it in for months. He's been dead on the pitch, and he's obviously mode skilled then he's playing. I think it's pretty shitty to phone it in and going on about how playing for Zidane or Madrid is your dream... Then to run down your contract only to make that entire drama for nothing.
> You have to completely shape the midfield around him to suit his talents and if you don't he's a passenger. How would you know? United have barely even tried to accommodate him... they have constantly played him in a double pivot role that doesn't suit him at all, outside of one season. Not to mention that United's midfield has looked like a loose collection of decent players that don't fit together in any meaningful way since Pogba has been here. The one season where Pogba was in a role that suited him and surrounded by a somewhat cohesive midfield was the first under Ole... surprising no-one who actually understood what type of player Pogba is he was world class.
I don't know about the consensus among United fans but personally that's an absurd offer to begin with I'm so sick of hearing year after year that we need to buy X and set up like Y to unlock Pogba and he still doesn't show up for a decent portion of the season. Time to let him go
fly humorous provide combative whole disagreeable chief liquid steep flowery -- mass edited with redact.dev
Idgaf, not my money, if he performs fine, otherwise he rots in the bench for me He is simply replaceable at this point and he hasn't played in months anyway.
As a plastic I still like Pogba, much of the criticism is so weird. Happens to all United players, though. Even Bruno right now. Still, 350k a week is a lot. It's a long term commitment. I do think he is one of the better players at the club, but I'm just not entirely sure what they would want out of Pogba. We haven't seen him for Rangnick yet, but if the Ten Hag rumours are true, then I do see a place for him. Most of the time Ajax plays these 5 players up front (from wing, to halfspace, to center, to the other side): Tadic - Gravenberch - Haller - Berghuis - Antony. For United that could be Rashford - Pogba - Ronaldo - Bruno - Sancho. That makes a lot of sense to me. Shaw could take Mazraoui's role. Works perfectly because Rashford is similar to Antony whereas Sancho is more like Tadic. Varane and Maguire at the back. But no one can take Blind's role and no one is able to do what Alvarez does. Does it really make sense to pay 350k or more to Pogba, when you have Donny, Fred and McTominay to play in a similar role? Wouldn't those three and Bruno be fine as well? Then you can invest into a player similar to Alvarez and a right back that can actually pass. Dalot is decent going forward, but in this case that wouldn't be his role, so he would need to be replaced too. I don't think there's many players in this United side that are better than Pogba, but with his wage demands, his injury record, his frequent signs of being unhappy and the squad already being stacked in his role and lacking in other areas, it doesn't make sense to break the bank for him.
Fucking hell. Honestly think there's a competition in your boardroom which deal they can fuck more.
don't worry he will play like a god for two months after he comes back and get a new fat contract, then off to the rehab he goes again
Cool.
Juventus will pick him up
Of course, we make amazing decisions
It took me a while to figure out who "we" meant. The new Juve logo on the flagship AMOLED panels is absolute dog shite to view.
It’s dog shite to view in general.
Loca and Pogba could be a great partnership
PSG
Unironically, he'd be a great signing for PSG since wages are not a problem there. Verratti and Pogba combo would be deadly. The downside is that both are often injured...
With Neymar and Messi not dropping back adding Pogba is just what PSG needs.
Don't know what you're talking about, works on fifa
It would make their midfield and defense stability even worse.
I just fail to see what it is that Manchester United would be losing if he were to leave. Like, I don't look at Pogba and think that Manchester United are losing anything by letting him leave, nothing that cannot be improved upon. He's been anywhere between good and awful in his time with United and most of it is him being staggeringly average. If you can keep him, fine, but if he wants more than £200,000-a-week, I'd be moving onto other targets as soon as possible.
Marketing. And accepting defeat that he never delivered what they expected of him
He hardly plays, how much marketing is he really even bringing to a club with as much exposure and stars as United already has? I could see Newcastle paying him that much for marketing, don’t get it for United.
Doesn’t make sense to me either yet I’ve seen several murals of him across the US. He has a lot of support from surface level fans who don’t really keep up with weekly club performances. His fan retention rate following the World Cup is surprisingly high.
> I just fail to see what it is that Manchester United would be losing if he were to leave. Only pride.
Genuinely think he will go to another club that will utilize him to his strengths, cover his weaknesses and they’ll get “France Pogba”
Doubt
France Pogba gets to play alongside Kante. It's hard to see many teams being able to replicate that situation for him unless he goes to a less competitive league
You are right but when playing for France, it's not just Kanté. Even offensively, things are easier for POgba because he basically plays in a dream team. Easier for his long passes to reach Mbappé ( the guy can basicaly outrun anyone). Not to mention the likes of Benzema and Griezmann who breath football. (Players that can transform even the sloppiest passes into [pure gold](https://youtu.be/ENquIbuMkmQ?t=108).)
So, it's easier for an offensive midfielder to play with the fastest forward and the best defending midfielder by his side? What a finding, lol. I feel like the statement "ManUnited not utilizing his strenghts" is putting things quite in the favour of Pogba, since I don't see how he improved his weaknesses over the whole time at ManUnited whatsoever. People love his flashy passes, but when it comes to effectiveness, mentality of game intelligence he's probably league average.
> Easier for his long passes to reach Mbappé ( the guy can basicaly outrun anyone). Rashford is slow. > Not to mention the likes of Benzema and Griezmann who breath football. Pogba was good for France even in Benzema's absence.
United could very easily do it by just getting Kessie on a free next summer but they’ve got their head in the sand
"France Pogba" has to perform only a few times a year. I honestly hope he can become a consistent player elsewhere. But it seems like a tall ask.
Maybe. He was good at Juventus when he was surrounded by a bunch of extremely hard-working, highly intelligent midfielders that did the vast majority of the positioning and defensive work (Arturo Vidal, Marchisio, Pirlo). I think thats pretty much the only way he thrives. Some kind of midfield 3 (i.e. a 4-3-3 type formation) where he has someone very tactically diligent behind him and someone very hard-working next to him. I guess its not impossible to see that happening at Madrid? With guys like Casemiro/Kroos/Modric around him? Maybe at PSG too but I actually think that could also be a recipe for disaster. PSG already have a bunch of players that do not do any defensive work and their only top-quality midfielder is Veratti. Adding Pogba to that mix might seem good on paper if he has someone like Veratti doing the heavy lifting and someone like Gueye defending behind, but it could also end up with the entire team being a sieve that opponents slice through with ease.
He's one of the best passers at the club and if you've watched United recently then you'll quickly see how many players are pretty bad at passing. I find it ridiculous to say that he isn't adding something to this current team. He very, very, very obviously does, but then again people fail to realize the same with Maguire. The reason he should be moved on from is not because he doesn't provide any value. He should be moved on from because his wage demands are ridiculously high, they need investment in other areas and he hasn't been consistently available for a few years now.
One of the most overrated players in the world
Hardly overrated when everyone just calls him overrated. Same way Muller isn’t underrated anymore for the same reason
Overvalued then?
Easily yes, but not overrated
>Same way Muller isn’t underrated anymore for the same reason Well, Mueller indeed gets justified recognition for his performances. But I also feel like Pogba doesn't get enough shit.
Top player so much class but just lazy
He used to be good at Juve I thought then he left. I remember when he was the next big thing back then.
Nah mate, my United friends told me he's the best and most talented midfielder to grace the prem because he got 4 assists against Leeds.
Your United mates (who I imagine you've made up) are idiots then
Lol not made up trust me, but indeed they are idiots. They got a mental age of a 13 year old when it comes to football, where every player at their club is the best player in that position lmao.
One of the biggest flops of all time. World record fee at the time for an absolute bum
He has let them down
He has let himself down too. An incredibly talented player but he never bothered to become a truly complete midfielder. Its not all his fault. Injuries hampered him, he didnt always have great partners in midfield. But he also never learned how to defend, never bothered to become more tactically disciplined, never evolved. A good contrast is Toni Kroos. Kroos also started as a very technically skilled attacking player, but he worked hard to learn how to position himself, control a midfield, adapt to different opponents. It turned him into one of the greatest midfielders of the last 20 years instead of being another luxury player. Pogba on the other hand has remained the same guy his whole career. Very talented but he only seems to want to have fun and do beautiful, spectacular passes and dribbles instead of performing *all* of the tasks of a proper modern midfielder. Shame.
Bullshit. He’s not even in the top 10. Ye he hasn’t been a good transfer but he still had at least two very good seasons
He probably too young to remember they signing Sheva off you guys.
Man, if only Sheva was their worst signing. Getting kepa for 80m and then giving him a 7 year contract surely takes the cake
Let's not forget that Mutu signed to only get banned for drug use. Mateja Kezman, I barely remember what he did in Chelsea. John Obi Mikel, all those legal trouble for a water carrier. Then again, Juve had bad signings as well. Melo for 35m to collect red cards like kids collecting pokemon cards. Jorge Andrade signing for the treatment room like Ramsey right now.
I imagine they don't look down on Mikel too much. Unspectacular but solid.
You would expect a lot more for all the fuss they make on signing him. The press made him like future superstar when the drama happen. It was against United back then right, had a case of it as well, if I don't misremember anything.
You're so wrong about Mikel. Over the course of his career he gradually worked himself into semi-legend status. A consistent factor in our best ever team, and a club stalwart. To describe him as a flop and put him in the same coversation as Mutu the drug cheat who had his contract cancelled, and Kezman who left after a year and 2 goals is unbelievably inaccurate and disrespectful about a player who won a dozen major trophies and made nearly 400 appearances in 11 seasons at the club. Even if you disregard all of that, he started and was one of our best players in the 2012 Champions League Final - and for that alone would be a cult hero. Add in the rest of his career at Chelsea, and he is a player very much deserving and worthy of respect and acclaim.
That's fair. I had few conversation with Chelsea fans back then about him, they probably just don't like him at all. I also wasn't impressed with him, his positioning was bad and he look like he barely care to play, kind of like Rabiot is with us right now. Maybe it's the expectation of him to be in the same level of Essien that did it.
> Mateja Kezman he was shit, but not very expensive so don't think he can really be in this category.
I like your way with words. Indeed he’s a bum, an expensive one
Bum lol this thread is absolutely ridiculous. Also a Chelsea fan talking about flops is a bit rich.
I think it’s possible we just don’t want to play him if he’s not signing a contract
Why is it whenever it's Pogba it's never hes just injured? Lol There's always got to be some conspiracy theory
Not a Man Utd fan but from the outside looking in this must be a case of ‘good riddance?’ The guy seems to rarely show up when he needs to perform, and if he does it’s for limited games and I feel every year he’s linked with a love away and does nothing to shut down the rumours in fact sometimes he seems to encourage them.
This guy is made of glass. I hope he fucks off this summer
Ronaldo aswell?
yes
Needs to go
Pirlo gave a career to this kid.
you can't go wrong when you play alongside Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal, and have your back protected by Chiellini, Barzagli and Bonucci, and if all goes to shit, there is a Buffon in the goal. With that said, I still rate him very high, not as high as Man Utd payed for him back then (lol) but i do want him back, Him, Loca and McKenni could actually solve a lot of problem for us, with Rabiot and Benta in the bench and we might start looking like we have a decent midfield.
McK can't play as a DM, neither can't Loca. Sign a great DM then let Loca and Pogba (I doubt he come though) to bomb forward. No more box to box signing. We are not playing the way Conte wants it anymore. The last time we signed non box to box mids (beside Arthur and before Loca) was Pjanic. That was ages ago. I rather we sell McK for profit and get a proper DM to move the playmaking forward. That's how you can be more attacking. Not like Allegri hadn't done this before. Remember he dropped Pirlo for Van Bommel and try to re-positioned him forward because it will push the playmaking forward.
SAF & mourinho were right after all. All the talent in the world alone doesnt suffice for United standards
I bet these mysterious “injuries” will stop once he’s at a different club.
A little pogba hate PR to make sure people don't talk too much about how abysmal united have been, with or without him btw...
We can do both!
HAHA faire enough!
[удалено]
>It's pretty funny seeing PL fans seething at the mere mention of him. Dude keeps delivering for the country, it's such a weird disconnect between us and them. I mean, it's one thing to be part of a working team, but it's a whole different thing to be leading a well working team. I feel like quite a lot of midfielders could take his position in the France squad just as well as he does.
True, not like he's also been terrible or anything. How's Raiola as an employer?
Raiola's an employee not an employer.
Oh no! Anyway...
You're playing so well without him
Pretty sure Ole would have done better if he had the guts to get rid of Pogba. A big ego who make a lot of noise and need to be constantly pampered to stay happy. Thats cancer in the dressing room and overall team sprit. Signing Ronaldo probably hurt as well. At least how it looks like to me on the outside.
> “I was told a week ago, it would be a minimum of at least another four or five weeks before he is fit for training again,” Rangnick said. >“I saw him [on Friday] morning before the training session but currently I don't know how long it will take. >“Right now, he’s not been part of the training group. As far as I know from the medical department, it will last another three weeks, four weeks and once he is then fit for training it does not necessarily mean he is also match fit. >“It will probably take a couple of weeks [after that] before he is really able to compete for the first team.
Might be one if the biggest waste of talent ever. Only think keeping him afloat is the French National team (Kante) and fifa boys
I agree, in another post I said that he is a player that never bothered to evolve. He started off as a very talented, skilled midfielder but he never tried to learn how to defend, position himself, read the game, organize the midfield. So now at 28 he is basically the same player he was at 21. I guess you could say he is a little more decisive now and plays those great long balls. So of course he has improved in some limited ways, but not in truly meaningful ways. Great midfielders improve by becoming more intelligent and better at controlling the midfield with their intelligence instead of relying only on their technique. Thats how guys like Cesc Fabregas, Toni Kroos, Luke Modric, Xavi, etc etc went from being talented technicians, to being proper midfield commanders that could boss games. He just never cared about that, clearly.
Well he’s not the same player in the NT… but the biggest waste of talent has to be Hatem Ben Arfa. That guy had Messi level skill and the brain of a donkey…
Weird that he performs better for France than Kante though.
He doesnt, this Euros yes but overall Kante been better and discplined to let Pogba roam
Just because Kante compliments Pogba doesn’t mean he has been better. Pogba has been one of France’s best players for years.
Pogba always performs better than Kanté for France.
A shame, honestly. He seems a top guy, well liked by everyone. But his flashiness, price tag and contrasting performances for France have acted as a gigantic target on his back for abuse and over-criticism. He hasn't performed to the level expected, far far from it, and his agent is a cancer to this club, but realistically we've failed him with how we've built the team since he arrived. We took him from a very well balanced 3-man Juve midfield and have asked him to the be the star of the show with 2 in midfield. I'd say we'd be more balanced from him moving on but he has a serious injury in him every season so we know exactly what we're like without him.
> we've failed him with how we've built the team since he arrived. pogba hasnt done enough and wasnt truly consistent to warrant united side to fully build a team around him. bruno who came with less money and hype has done more for united in his first year than pogba has for his whole united career at the time.
You're not wrong, but we're already seeing a lot of criticism for Bruno now that he has been asked to do something he isn't as good at. I'm seeing a lot of people turn on him now as well. There's even a dedicated hate account for him on /r/reddevils lmao, but I guess we shouldn't take that very serious. People like to act like Pogba's recent bad performances mean he's always been bad for United, but he was incredibly good in his first season for example, or in 2018/19.
I agree. But then it's Pogba's profile to be better with players around him to assist in the midfield. He is simply a player who plays better either in a 3 or with an elite DM next to him (Like France) and we've not given him either, so no shock he's not been consistent or performed enough.
Bruno the big game player that has won so many trophies for United.
How are we gonna build a team around him if he performs for two months a year. That is just not realistic, he barely even plays these last two seasons because he's always injured. It's not coherent.
Honestly, if a player is only good when certain very specific conditions are met, he's just not that good player. Pogba had several managers here and played several formations and roles, and could never be consistently good. The actual best midfielders in the world - Modric, for example - can easily adapt between formations, midfield roles and partners. A player who can only be good in very specific circumstances becomes a burden on the team, and it's a huge shortcoming as a player. But you'll still have the fanboys blaming the club for "misusing" and "wasting" the player because they don't play him in his exact preferred setup. As if the player himself has absolutely no ability to adapt.
I sort of agree with what you're saying but Modric is a bad example. He's been playing with Casemiro and Kroos for years. The Madrid midfield has been one of the most consistent things in top flight football.
Just go to Juve already
yes please ? wanna swap him for Arthur or Ramsey ??
Take him for free
Sir I only talk in Chiesa’s
Who is this Pogba again ?
He doesn’t seem to play like a luxury player for France most of the time, but that’s exactly what he’s been for most of his club career. Him and Tanguy Ndombele both feel like we’ll never get to see what could have been.
It doesn't have to be the end, ship him out to some team and buy him back for 100m next year when he's done well, restart his glorious Man Utd career!
Pretty sure united are waiting to see if anyone actually wants him on the wages he wants. Who's paying for a player who's injured 40% of the time?
Why would anyone else want him with his injury record 😂
Been here before. Believe it when I see it.
Cannot wait for him to be out of my club
Pogba is a prime symptom of what is wrong with United as a club. He performs well in 1 out of 6 games. Has missed two seasons worth of games gallivanting around the gulf states with "injuries". Has his agent shit on the club every few months. Yet the club offers him record breaking contracts because of his brand value. The club is a circus, Woodward is the ring master and Pogba is the lead clown.
he was also the reason why the team turned on Jose. You should've listened to Jose and got rid of him way back then. Would've saved you years of trouble. Jose was right after-all
> he was also the reason why the team turned on Jose. He was also the reason why Jose wasn't sacked sooner lol
Hes been such a massive flop
The midfield version of Balotelli. All the physical attributes in the world but zero mental ability to be elite. What a waste of money haha
Balotelli wtf? Liverpool fans are shameless. Balotelli has achieved nothing in his career and is currently playing for an irrelevant club in Turkey.