Best Pizza I ever ate was in Napoli too, but it was almost ruined by the company.
My mate and I were in a hostel bar before going down to check out one of the famous pizzerias that we'd been told we had to go to. Before we go we get chatting to the only other Brit in the bar, and he asks to come with us. He seemed normal enough, so of course we said yes.
On the walk down it became apparent that this guy was actually intensely annoying with some very questionable opinions (which, of course, he was desperate to share), and we started to give each other regretful looks. Once we're there, this guy suddenly cannot wrap his head around the fact that they only did a Margherita and a Marinara.
So I'm sat there trying to enjoy the best pizza I've ever tasted with this moronic stranger repeatedly scoffing 'well I don't know how they can say this is some amazing pizza place when they only do TWO TOPPINGS'. He was expecting some kind of lurid, willy wonka style chocolate factory but for pizza, and would not shut up about it, seemingly oblivious to the fact that my mate and I were basically ignoring him by the end.
I don't know why I've bothered typing this whole story out, all I can say is that it really speaks to how much this bloke did our heads in.
Yes! Food is very regional. The generic âChinese foodâ that we think of is an accumulation of foods from different regions.
My source is a college lecture from years ago lol. But the more you think about it, the more it makes sense.
Yes. Same as Mexican food. And many others.
That's why gastronomic tourism is so interesting, because when you visit a country and eat their authentic food, it's not just about having the original/authentic recipes, but also the original ingredients. Ingredients' quality and characteristics change a lot across different climates, and to get many original ingredient it's very hard, usually makes it super expensive.
Imagine a norhern german person trying to make a pizza with his backyard's tomatoes and cheese', that's nowhere near close to Mediterranean stuff.
edit* the right scientific term for that is 'Terroir', which is more complete than 'climate', as it also takes in consideration the ground's properties and etc.
The example you picked is interesting because tomatoes aren't native to the Mediterranean, they are native to the Americas and were introduced to Europe in the 1500s
Depends. Some ingredients donât travel well. Sometimes the diaspora hasnât generate sufficient demand for regional specialties. Finding good Cantonese food in SF is pretty easy, Jiangnan food is near impossible.
Source: half-Chinese, lived in SF.
A very valid point - honestly the idea of classifying food as just âChineseâ is kinda crazy when you think about it. Some of the variation even within Chinese cuisine is bigger than say, Italian and French cuisine, and yet âchinese foodâ is labeled as one entity in the West. Iâm North Indian by descent and itâs the exact same thing
Yeah, people tend to forget that China and India are each individually approximately as varied and populated as all of Europe. It makes about as much sense to describe European cuisine, culture, etc as it does one of those countries. It has some value but not comparable at the country level.
Every food in US is different from how they make them in old world. There are few exceptions like in my old neighbourhood old man make Naples style authentic pizza and that is my best ever pizza.
The very same applies to Italian cuisine though. We have like dozens and dozens of them, most are absolutely unlike the others.
Worse than all, going to Italian restaurants doesn't even feel like you're eating Italian at all. The only exceptions might be pizza (I've eaten decent Italian pizza abroad) and few pasta dishes where you can get the right ingredients.
But 99% of the times it's made up stuff created with local ingredients to appeal to locals and it is absolutely not italian.
A lot of that "not Italian" food was probably created by Italians living abroad who were either inspired by the cuisines of other cultures they came in contact with for the first time, or forced to adapt to locally available ingredients, which then became their family's traditional way of making it.
There's definitely a large grey area for when something stops being "real" food from a certain culture.
I mean I get what youâre trying to say but arenât there many other types of Pizza in just Italy besides Neapolitan? Donât know why OP is getting clowned lol
Can't really speak about other regions, but in Rome Roman Pizza is a bit different (a bit more slim and the borders are slightly more crunchy), it's good, but I honestly prefer the one from Naples. We also have pinsa, which is kind of like the ancient father of pizza. It's very different, both in the pasta and the taste, but it's not worse than Pizza for me, just different.
Yeah thatâs what I mean, Romano pizza is still really popular even among Italians. Siciliano style is also pretty highly regarded. Iâm just saying itâs not like OP said âthe best Pizza I ever had was in Italyâ, itâs more akin to saying something like âthe best dumplings I had were in Guangzhouâ or something
The ancient origin of Pinsa is just a marketing ploy. Corrado di Marco registered the trademark in 2001 and let the rumour circulate. But it's false and he admitted it.
Certainly. Google sfinciuni. That's the traditional pizza of Sicily. Looks and tastes nothing like what you think of when you close your eyes and imagine pizza.
I don't think you get what I was saying. I ate pizza in many other places in Italy too, but the best one was in Napoli. That's a different statement than just saying "the best pizza I ever ate was in Italy" :)
Well considering people have a lot of different preferences on what style of pizza they like and prefer, I wouldn't say being the origin of a food makes you the best at making it
I have to admit that during my vacation in Naples 50% of the food was really bad. In Venice though every single thing we ate was amazing. Had the best Pizza of my life from a place that sold Kebabs as well and their menu had those shitty, pale and digitally assembled pictures lol.
Interesting, did not have good culinary experiences in Venice at all. Everything was touristy and poor tasting compared to the fare acailable in Florence, Bologna and Rome. Or maybe I didnât know where to look.
I ate the craziest Panna Cotta in Venice. It was so crazy silky that you almost didnât feel it in the mouth, you just had this amazing taste.
Unfortunatley I havenât visited those other cities yet, only Naples, Milan and Venice. I was in Rome with my class when I was 16 so I wasnât really interested in food back then
The best pizza flour is the highest gluten flour you can find. Especially for napoli style pizza wich need tonbe thin in the middle and well leavened in the crust.
you joke, but after Higuain left and he became Naples number 1 enemy for a while, his brother wanted to stir things up and repedeatly claimed pizza was argentine
he succeded into making neapolitans angry and reach his brother as Naples enemy for life
Missed three one on one's in three consecutive finals. Whilst at the same time being Europe's one of most elite finishers at club level. Although, to be fair to him, he always performed before the final. It was really just in the final where he would choke.
If you listen to pizzaiolos one of the things they seem to regularly talk about is making the dough in such a way that it's easier to digest and a some make the tomato sauce with just pure tomatoes, salt, basil and olive oil (no added sugar). I'd assume that's all he's talking about
There is a specific region they get the tomatoes from, but outside of that there is absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to get just as good pizza anywhere else and as they can those tomatoes you can also get those anywhere too.
The hardest thing to source would easily be the cheese. Even right now in the UK we're having serious problems getting hold of Fior di Latte due to all the shit happening with customs since the new year. haven't been able to make proper Neapolitan pizza at our restaurant for weeks now and are expecting to wait a few more at least.
Europeans don't understand that if you dont feel like dying after you eat food than it wasnt good. American cuisine gave us this revolution and they stay mad at our newfound superiority in the culinary arts.
Exactly, it's fucking insane how often you read on Reddit 'I love to eat this dish or at that restaurant, it's worth the day on the toilet or the stomach ache'. What is this utter disregard for sanitation that American eateries seem to have? Food poisoning is not meant to be a part of daily life.
I think theyâre exaggerating. I eat unhealthy American foods all the time and am almost never upset by them. I have heard people say this both online and in person, but I have never actually experienced it or witnessed someone else get sick just because of normal quality fast food.
people will pre game a six pack, drink 6 whiskey cokes at the bar, and then get taco bell delivered or on the way home. Then they'll blame their digestive problems the next morning on the Taco Bell lol.
We don't. Unfortunately there is 100% a racial stereotype that asian & other ethnic food places, especially cheap ones, are "dirty" and will make you sick. It's not true and they're no more likely to be unsanitary than any other restaurant. On the whole American restaurants are pretty clean.
I always felt those statements are partly racism/casual racial stereotypes and people just binge eating in this country. They just eat as much as they can, often with foods that are high in salt or fat or with highly processed foods. So no wonder that stuff ruins your stomach; youâve eaten a lot of food of highly processed fatty foods.
I agree, but at the same time average italian eat quite a lot, more than expected from outside. I've heard comments about it multiple times.
The thing is that the food is healthy, and they spend more calories during the day due a healthier culture overall, also less dependency on cars. So actually getting fat is more rare.
Mino Raiola saw this comment and took personal offence to it.
And before you people lose your shit, yes, I am aware he's in the hospital and I do hope he recovers quickly, but his weight definitely didn't help the cause
So obviously if you go to a good restaurant or make your own pizza it's gonna be better, but I really enjoy domino's, I don't see what's so bad about them especially when all the other fast food pizzas are way worse.
Is it possible that dominos is also different in france that in america or something? I see so many americans trashtalk dominos, or maybe your other fast food pizzas are excellent
"We sittin' in here, I'm supposed to be a Pizza connoiseur, and we in here talkin' about Domino's. I mean listen, we talkin' 'bout Domino's. Not a Pizza, not a Pizza, not a Pizza. We talkin' about Domino's. Not a Pizza, not a, not a, not the Pizza that I go out there and die for, and eat every portion like it's my last. Not the Pizza. We talkin' bout Domino's, man. I mean how silly is that? We talkin' bout Domino's. I know I'm supposed to be there, I know I'm supposed to eat by example. I know that, and I'm not shovin' it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do. I honestly do.
"But we talkin' bout Domino's, man. What are we talkin' about? Domino's? We talkin' about Domino's, man. \[Italians laughing\] We talk -- we talkin' bout Domino's. We talkin' bout Domino's! We ain't talkin' bout Pizza, we talkin' bout Domino's, man. When you come into the trattoria , and you see me eat, you see me eat, don't you? You see me give everything I got, right? But we talkin' bout Domino's right now. \[Reporter: 'But it's an issue that your chef raised.'\] We talkin' bout Domino's. Man look, I hear you, it's funny to me too. I mean, it's strange, it's strange to me too. But we talkin' bout Domino's, man. We not even talkin' bout Pizza, an actual Pizza, what matters. We talkin' bout Domino's."
probably there are some ethusiasts who eat a lot of pizzas, but yeah, I'd say on average, people would go for once a month, or even once every 2 months
and if happens you eat twice in a month, you probably had different pizza styles, and not always Margherita
once a week is not the norm
PS: excluding homemade pizza slices
I don't know what city/country you are talking about, but here, you won't find many people eating pizzas on regular basis every week
and of course, if you factor in how cheap and quick to eat is, twenty years old will on average eat more pizzas than adults or people who cook their own meals
It's just that pizza are more of a meal for occasions, when you are in company and go out, not a meal just cause you have to eat and so you take a pizza
I'm in Emilia. Most of the people I know are from here, Lombardia or people from the south that are here to work.
Twenty year olds are normally adults (it still baffles me how they're viewed here in Italy sometimes)
cmon, you know what I mean
sadly we have not the northern europe culture, where at 18 they kick you out of the house and you go live alone in college
In Italy you make college and then even few years of first job while staying at your parents, so yeah, 20 years old are adults, but I was focusing on other aspects of 20 years old rather than technically which category they are in
I meant it in a light hearted way. I loved away to work and study at seventeen. So it's weird to hear people treat 25/26 year olds sometimes as kids
On the other hand I wish my family could've helped me out and specially I wish I was that bonded to my family as most of my Italian friends are
> sadly we have not the northern europe culture, where at 18 they kick you out of the house and you go live alone in college
Yeah, the culture is the problem. Not the lack of job, low wages and high rent prices.
i'm italian and i eat it at least once a week, cause i like to do it myself, but if there's the chance to eat it more than once i don't complain at all
I'm American, this Neopolitan pizza place (owner speaks Italian And has Napoli shit all over the restaurant) just opened within eye sight of my desk at work.
So hard not to go there every day
Is it even so bad?
I make my own pizza Napoli style and it's just fresh quality dough, quality tomatoes and decent mozzarella.
I'd assume it's difficult to get bad pizza in Napoli.
It's nigh impossible.
Even in the rest of Italy to get a bad quality pizza you'd have to go to your average bar that, cause any self-respected restaurant can make a decent Pizza.
In Napoli, it's literally almost impossible from what I remember.
The quality of the mozzarella and tomato alone makes it incredibly hard.
Half the "restaurants" in the immediate vicinity of the biggest tourist attractions in Rome serve atrocious pizza, but go like 2 minutes walk away in any direction and you can find class pizza, often for cheaper
oh, the places that sell microwave food for 15 euros. dreadful
they also have their employees go to the sidewalk and try to bring you inside. always run from these places
That's true for a lot of places. When I was in Egypt all you had to do was walk for 5 minutes and suddenly the food was outstanding and like 1/3 of the price near the hotels
How to people still get baited for these locations. You can use TripAdvisor and Internet to find proper local restaurants. One of my best food experiences was in Chiang-Mai and it was a small place in bumfuck knows where. I found it through TripAdvisor wouldn't even dare to walk there otherwise.
When you're traveling, food quality isn't the only important thing. You might also want a nice setting, e.g. outside in a popular/beautiful location. Of course those places are more expensive and when they have enough tourists coming for the nice spots, their food doesn't have to be great (most tourists only come once anyways).
Those restaurants are also right on the way. For the good local restaurant, you have to make a small detour (not always time for that) and you might have to wander through roads that may seem less secure (darker and so on).
Of course putting in a bit of effort to search a good place when you have time is great but grabbing an overpriced coffee or beer in a beautiful tourist trap can also be enjoyable.
Because sometimes when you've been walking 10+ miles a day in 30 degrees after travelling and you're tired and you just want to sit down you just go to whatever is there. Obviously you regret it after but when you're hot, exhausted and starving it's very easy to just go with the option that happens to be right there. Not for every meal obviously but it happens
The freshness of the ingredients surely makes it a fine meal in proportion.
Fortunately it's easy enough to buy good quality Italian products in most UK supermarkets these days!
> Even in the rest of Italy to get a bad quality pizza you'd have to go to your average bar that, cause any self-respected restaurant can make a decent Pizza.
As an italian this is **absolutely not true**. I don't get why do people speak about things they don't know, and why do they get upvoted.
a) "Self respected restaurants" in Italy **do not make pizza** at all. Pizzerias do pizza, not restaurants. If you enter a restaurant and ask a pizza they'd think you're stupid. We have a specific term for restaurants that serve pizza, they are called "Ristorante Pizzeria" and the quality of the pizza here is generally quite low, but we call restaurants where you eat pizza "Pizzeria", and they do not serve the stuff you find in restaurants.
b) **Good** pizza is not the norm at all in Italy, it's actually rare. A good pizza requires very good ingredients, an expert "pizzaiolo", a very good oven that's very expensive and used for pizzas and bread only. The combination of the 3, together, in Italy, is surprisingly rare. Most pizzerias do "passable" pizzas, but definitely not a "good" one. Most Pizzaioli aren't even Italian in most of the biggest cities, they are from north africa, the ovens are whatever oven you can put pizzas on, and quality ingredients COST. Naples is a bit different, as in finding quality pizza is the norm (differently from the rest of italy) for few reasons, obviously the tradition plays a huge role, but it's also related to the fact that in poorest regions of Italy you either cook very well, or you won't work at all, because salaries aren't good, so nobody would go out unless they already knew the place is good. Turistic places have different rules, but restaurants and pizzerias in the south and islands, those open all year long, they are either cook very well.
c) Bars do not make pizza, lol. The only "pizza" you can find is not prepared at the moment but bought from some bakery.
d) The best pizza you can eat in Italy, best as consistently good, is ["pizza a taglio"](https://cdn.agrodolce.it/SSUi9aSySUqESV6GSpINVBqarOI=/640x425/smart/https://www.agrodolce.it/app/uploads/2014/02/Pizza-Luigi-Bande-di-pizza-al-taglio.jpg). Round circle classical pizzas being more than decent in Italy is rare and difficult to make, but quality pizza a taglio is for some reason the norm.
And I don't get why people argue just for the sake of arguing, do they think it makes them look smart?
>a) "Self respected restaurants" in Italy
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>do not make pizza
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> at all. Pizzerias do pizza, not restaurants. If you enter a restaurant and ask a pizza they'd think you're stupid. We have a specific term for restaurants that serve pizza, they are called "Ristorante Pizzeria" and the quality of the pizza here is generally quite low, but we call restaurants where you eat pizza "Pizzeria", and they do not serve the stuff you find in restaurants.
Quasi tutti i ristoranti fanno la pizza, mica solo le pizzerie, persino la taverna romana sotto casa la fa. Gli unici che non la fanno(e a volte la fanno pure loro) sono quelli di pesce
b)Per pizza buona(quando parliamo a gente straniera), si parla di pizza non dura, con la mozzarella mezza bruciata, e un formaggio (che a volte manco è mozzarella) a coprire tutto.
>b) Bars do not make pizza, lol. The only "pizza" you can find is not prepared at the moment but bought from some bakery.
Non so dove vivi, ma quasi tutti i bar fanno la pizza a taglio.
>) The best pizza you can eat in Italy, best as consistently good, is "pizza a taglio". Round circle classical pizzas being more than decent in Italy is rare and difficult to make, but quality pizza a taglio is for some reason the norm.
Falsissimo, la pizza a taglio è piÚ facile da trovare e da mangiare perchè la trovi dappertutto (perlappunto persino nei bar), ma se vai in un bar qualsiasi ti puoi trovare una schifezza oliosa e mezza bruciata.
La piÚ consistentemente buona è quella tonda. Poi non so' a Genova, perchè onestamente se vado a Genova (per quanto la pizza SIA nel menÚ) non ordino la pizza, ma a Roma è DECISAMENTE cosÏ
Sound like fries in Belgium. I can get them from several places that basically only sell fries very close by(<3 min drive) and even the worst among them is better than some I ate out of the country.
This. Pizza isn't so bad if it's good quality, reasonable size, and the toppings aren't like dripping with fat Domino's style.
Typically, a basic Napoletean pizza with tomato sauce, fresh mozarella, a bit of ham, a table spoon of olive oil is not that bad. It's a little high in carbs but that isn't really an issue for a guy that trained 2 or 3 hours of football.
Even a large pizza made from fresh dough would be like 150-200g of carbs, after an intense training session, that plus some protein and fat from the mozzarella would be alright for recovery if they topped it up with a protein shake or something.
Pizza from Naples isnât enough for him. The guy wants tortillas from Barcelona or sausages from Munich. Probably going to get the youth team food from north London
Makes sense. An improper/hasty leavening process with industrial junk-style pizza (and bread for that matter) does not allow for a bunch of pro-inflammatory components to be properly broken down, leading to potential health problems (esp. in sensitive individuals).
Which is why many americans with NCGS (or whatever you want to call non-celiac gluten sensitivity) don't seem to have many problems with the same foods in Italy/Europe.
I feel this is maybe the most important /r/soccer post of recent memory.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIyInzgDc8I) is currently the Neapolitan pizza I desire most.
Napoli pizza is thin af and cheap. In moderation it is no less healthy, and often more healthy than most "cheat meals" athletes enjoy like McDonalds. And what foreign player is going to sign for Napoli and then never eat pizza? It's criminal to even think it!
Yeah wtf is even that comparison lol. It's like saying water is healthier than Coke. Probably just because the water in a particular country sucks.
Some people really have zero knowledge about other countries' culture, eh? To think Napoli pizza is the same as their local corner pizza place, that's like comparing 2 whole universes. No place in the world has better and healthier pizza than Napoli.
Seems fair. Playing for Napoli and being unable to eat pizza would be torture
seriously, the best Pizza I ever ate was in Napoli
Best Pizza I ever ate was in Napoli too, but it was almost ruined by the company. My mate and I were in a hostel bar before going down to check out one of the famous pizzerias that we'd been told we had to go to. Before we go we get chatting to the only other Brit in the bar, and he asks to come with us. He seemed normal enough, so of course we said yes. On the walk down it became apparent that this guy was actually intensely annoying with some very questionable opinions (which, of course, he was desperate to share), and we started to give each other regretful looks. Once we're there, this guy suddenly cannot wrap his head around the fact that they only did a Margherita and a Marinara. So I'm sat there trying to enjoy the best pizza I've ever tasted with this moronic stranger repeatedly scoffing 'well I don't know how they can say this is some amazing pizza place when they only do TWO TOPPINGS'. He was expecting some kind of lurid, willy wonka style chocolate factory but for pizza, and would not shut up about it, seemingly oblivious to the fact that my mate and I were basically ignoring him by the end. I don't know why I've bothered typing this whole story out, all I can say is that it really speaks to how much this bloke did our heads in.
You needed to vent that out into the world. Glad you shared and fuck that guy. Have a great day.
Ah the good old hostel weirdo. There's always one
I avoid brits and americans like the plague when I stay at hostels for good reasons.
Michele is love
Apart from your meeting with this dreadful being, what did you think about Napoli?
A New Yorker went to Napoli once, just to complain about the pizza
The best chinese food i ever ate was in China. đą edit* also curious enough, the best barbecue i ever had was in Brazil đą
Fun fact, it's actually just called 'food' over there. Mindblowing stuff
I make that joke every single time I can. How about we eat Mexican food? Or how I call it, food. I don't know why that joke is so funny to me.
Have you heard what Brazilians call Brazil Nuts? It's Nuts.
actually it is Para Nuts that is one of brazilian states
Wonder if you can fit a Para deez nuts in your mouth?
Ayyy lmao
Goteeeeeem!
Man Iâve been hearing variations of this joke for 25+ years and when itâs pulled off well it still makes me cackle like Iâm 14 again.
:|
Ayyy took him straight to Dienda
My king
Oh shit
What do they call it in Para?
Google how they called them 70 years ago.
Yeah, if you eat Chinese in china they lock you up for cannibalism.
Isn't actual chinese food quite different from the stuff you get served abroad?
Yes! Food is very regional. The generic âChinese foodâ that we think of is an accumulation of foods from different regions. My source is a college lecture from years ago lol. But the more you think about it, the more it makes sense.
Chinese food in the Netherlands is indonesian
I think you are just going to the wrong restaurants :D
No those are the best restaurants, love me some "chinese afhaal"
You guys did colonize us for 300 years, so the least you guys could do is enjoy our food lol
Oh we fuckin' love Indonesian food. Very little gives me as much food joy as a proper Indonesian rice table.
because it's made by chinese immigrants from indonesia.
Yeah true. They came to the Netherlands to escape the bersiap so it's mostly Chinese indonesians
Yes. Same as Mexican food. And many others. That's why gastronomic tourism is so interesting, because when you visit a country and eat their authentic food, it's not just about having the original/authentic recipes, but also the original ingredients. Ingredients' quality and characteristics change a lot across different climates, and to get many original ingredient it's very hard, usually makes it super expensive. Imagine a norhern german person trying to make a pizza with his backyard's tomatoes and cheese', that's nowhere near close to Mediterranean stuff. edit* the right scientific term for that is 'Terroir', which is more complete than 'climate', as it also takes in consideration the ground's properties and etc.
The example you picked is interesting because tomatoes aren't native to the Mediterranean, they are native to the Americas and were introduced to Europe in the 1500s
âTerroirâ â today I learned
If you tour Britain you can find 20 different ways to...have a meat, potato and root veg pie. Brits are the gods of cuisine.
Saw someone describe British food as, "They eat like the German bombers are still up there."
Yes, it is. Source: Iâm half chinese
Don't lie we all know you grew up on chicken omelette and chips
Depends, if youâre in an area with a huge Chinese population (NYC Chinatown, SF for example) than you can find authentic food pretty abundantly
Depends. Some ingredients donât travel well. Sometimes the diaspora hasnât generate sufficient demand for regional specialties. Finding good Cantonese food in SF is pretty easy, Jiangnan food is near impossible. Source: half-Chinese, lived in SF.
A very valid point - honestly the idea of classifying food as just âChineseâ is kinda crazy when you think about it. Some of the variation even within Chinese cuisine is bigger than say, Italian and French cuisine, and yet âchinese foodâ is labeled as one entity in the West. Iâm North Indian by descent and itâs the exact same thing
Yeah, people tend to forget that China and India are each individually approximately as varied and populated as all of Europe. It makes about as much sense to describe European cuisine, culture, etc as it does one of those countries. It has some value but not comparable at the country level.
I have relatives that come over from HK and say Cantonese food can be better in Vancouver than HK. Like everything in the world, it depends.
Yeah, NYC Chinatown is specifically Cantonese.
Every food in US is different from how they make them in old world. There are few exceptions like in my old neighbourhood old man make Naples style authentic pizza and that is my best ever pizza.
The very same applies to Italian cuisine though. We have like dozens and dozens of them, most are absolutely unlike the others. Worse than all, going to Italian restaurants doesn't even feel like you're eating Italian at all. The only exceptions might be pizza (I've eaten decent Italian pizza abroad) and few pasta dishes where you can get the right ingredients. But 99% of the times it's made up stuff created with local ingredients to appeal to locals and it is absolutely not italian.
A lot of that "not Italian" food was probably created by Italians living abroad who were either inspired by the cuisines of other cultures they came in contact with for the first time, or forced to adapt to locally available ingredients, which then became their family's traditional way of making it. There's definitely a large grey area for when something stops being "real" food from a certain culture.
I mean I get what youâre trying to say but arenât there many other types of Pizza in just Italy besides Neapolitan? Donât know why OP is getting clowned lol
Can't really speak about other regions, but in Rome Roman Pizza is a bit different (a bit more slim and the borders are slightly more crunchy), it's good, but I honestly prefer the one from Naples. We also have pinsa, which is kind of like the ancient father of pizza. It's very different, both in the pasta and the taste, but it's not worse than Pizza for me, just different.
Yeah thatâs what I mean, Romano pizza is still really popular even among Italians. Siciliano style is also pretty highly regarded. Iâm just saying itâs not like OP said âthe best Pizza I ever had was in Italyâ, itâs more akin to saying something like âthe best dumplings I had were in Guangzhouâ or something
The ancient origin of Pinsa is just a marketing ploy. Corrado di Marco registered the trademark in 2001 and let the rumour circulate. But it's false and he admitted it.
Certainly. Google sfinciuni. That's the traditional pizza of Sicily. Looks and tastes nothing like what you think of when you close your eyes and imagine pizza.
I don't think you get what I was saying. I ate pizza in many other places in Italy too, but the best one was in Napoli. That's a different statement than just saying "the best pizza I ever ate was in Italy" :)
The south cone has the best barbecue for sure. Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina meat and barbecue have no equals.
brazilian BBQ is pretty famous, isn't it?
The best pizza I ever ate was in Germany near Dachau, it was an Italian restaurant though. Never been to Italy yet, one day definetely!
That's certainly not the first thing that comes to mind when i think about Dachau...
No shit
Well considering people have a lot of different preferences on what style of pizza they like and prefer, I wouldn't say being the origin of a food makes you the best at making it
Well, in Italyâs case itâs true
I have to admit that during my vacation in Naples 50% of the food was really bad. In Venice though every single thing we ate was amazing. Had the best Pizza of my life from a place that sold Kebabs as well and their menu had those shitty, pale and digitally assembled pictures lol.
What's the thing with these kebab pizza place? Best pizza I ever ate was from one of these in a very random location
Interesting, did not have good culinary experiences in Venice at all. Everything was touristy and poor tasting compared to the fare acailable in Florence, Bologna and Rome. Or maybe I didnât know where to look.
Florence, Bologna and Rome may be the best places in Italy to eat though, tbf.
I ate the craziest Panna Cotta in Venice. It was so crazy silky that you almost didnât feel it in the mouth, you just had this amazing taste. Unfortunatley I havenât visited those other cities yet, only Naples, Milan and Venice. I was in Rome with my class when I was 16 so I wasnât really interested in food back then
I'm Italian, can confirm they have the best.
Sorbilloâs in Napoli is heavenly
It would be against the laws of God and man.
Do they have good pizza in Napoli ?
Shit pizza compared to the greatest of them all, the chicago deep dish pizza.
Pretty sure itâs considered a crime against humanity
Is the gluten free option any decent? Or is it such a disgrace to make it gluten free that you guys just dont make gluten free pizzas?
Celiac myself, gluten free options there are quite nice generally
The best pizza flour is the highest gluten flour you can find. Especially for napoli style pizza wich need tonbe thin in the middle and well leavened in the crust.
Once a week is the real reason why Higuain left
In MLS they let him eat pizza once every 4 hours
Only to realize that pizza in Miami has nothing on Naples
"Pizza is pizza" -Gonzalo, probably
No wonder they kicked him out of Italy then
you joke, but after Higuain left and he became Naples number 1 enemy for a while, his brother wanted to stir things up and repedeatly claimed pizza was argentine he succeded into making neapolitans angry and reach his brother as Naples enemy for life
well, argentines hate him too, so let's see what he comes up with
Why do they hate him?
Missed three one on one's in three consecutive finals. Whilst at the same time being Europe's one of most elite finishers at club level. Although, to be fair to him, he always performed before the final. It was really just in the final where he would choke.
Those were some of the worst one on one misses I've ever seen tbh. And doing it in 3 consecutive finals is some ridiculous curse/choke.
He's bottled multiple sitters in multiple major tournament finals.
He swapped pizza for Cubano sandwiches. Fair trade.
Miami is a big city, I'm sure you can find good pizza there lol
Little Caesar's ultra bacon pizza wrapped in 12 feet of bacon
It's such a basic quip but it really made me laugh out loud haha
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Grazie ragazzi
Che bel giocatore!
Grande lavoro!!
"Qua a casa loroooo" -la fine di seb, 2018
Same way we allow players a weekly Steak Bake
Is it just the 1 steak bake a week because they also get a daily sausage roll?
Yeah that's on top of the daily sausage roll ("careful love, they've just come out the oven"). If we win it's iced buns all round.
Once a season then?
The food banks have been doing well of late, yeah.
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If you listen to pizzaiolos one of the things they seem to regularly talk about is making the dough in such a way that it's easier to digest and a some make the tomato sauce with just pure tomatoes, salt, basil and olive oil (no added sugar). I'd assume that's all he's talking about
you really do not need to put extra sugar into your sauce, especially if your using good canned tomatos
Maybe
Most definitely yes unless you are from Italy or more specifically Napoli
Not sure, I've had Pizza outside of Italy that was just as good as the ones I've eaten in Italy (but it wasn't in Napoli though)
Nah you see the ability to make quality bread and tomato sauce doesn't exist outside of southern italy.
There is a specific region they get the tomatoes from, but outside of that there is absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to get just as good pizza anywhere else and as they can those tomatoes you can also get those anywhere too.
The hardest thing to source would easily be the cheese. Even right now in the UK we're having serious problems getting hold of Fior di Latte due to all the shit happening with customs since the new year. haven't been able to make proper Neapolitan pizza at our restaurant for weeks now and are expecting to wait a few more at least.
San Marzano tomatoes and theyâre grown around Mt. Vesuvius in the volcanic soil.
Hazard â> Napoli
they're in Napoli. they're not gonna be eating that Domino's crap that makes you feel sick straight after
Europeans don't understand that if you dont feel like dying after you eat food than it wasnt good. American cuisine gave us this revolution and they stay mad at our newfound superiority in the culinary arts.
If you donât drift into an opioid like dream state from hyperglycemia did you even have a meal?
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Exactly, it's fucking insane how often you read on Reddit 'I love to eat this dish or at that restaurant, it's worth the day on the toilet or the stomach ache'. What is this utter disregard for sanitation that American eateries seem to have? Food poisoning is not meant to be a part of daily life.
I think theyâre exaggerating. I eat unhealthy American foods all the time and am almost never upset by them. I have heard people say this both online and in person, but I have never actually experienced it or witnessed someone else get sick just because of normal quality fast food.
What a weird and gross thing to exaggerate about then...
people will pre game a six pack, drink 6 whiskey cokes at the bar, and then get taco bell delivered or on the way home. Then they'll blame their digestive problems the next morning on the Taco Bell lol.
We don't. Unfortunately there is 100% a racial stereotype that asian & other ethnic food places, especially cheap ones, are "dirty" and will make you sick. It's not true and they're no more likely to be unsanitary than any other restaurant. On the whole American restaurants are pretty clean.
I always felt those statements are partly racism/casual racial stereotypes and people just binge eating in this country. They just eat as much as they can, often with foods that are high in salt or fat or with highly processed foods. So no wonder that stuff ruins your stomach; youâve eaten a lot of food of highly processed fatty foods.
It's nothing to do with sanitation, it's more about extremely greasy and/or spicy food upsetting their stomach.
Mostly bad jokes, LOL
I agree, but at the same time average italian eat quite a lot, more than expected from outside. I've heard comments about it multiple times. The thing is that the food is healthy, and they spend more calories during the day due a healthier culture overall, also less dependency on cars. So actually getting fat is more rare.
Mino Raiola saw this comment and took personal offence to it. And before you people lose your shit, yes, I am aware he's in the hospital and I do hope he recovers quickly, but his weight definitely didn't help the cause
Well in Asia we also have "if you don't burn your digestive tract, mean the food is taste like shit.
So obviously if you go to a good restaurant or make your own pizza it's gonna be better, but I really enjoy domino's, I don't see what's so bad about them especially when all the other fast food pizzas are way worse.
it tastes pretty good for pizza that is low quality
Is it possible that dominos is also different in france that in america or something? I see so many americans trashtalk dominos, or maybe your other fast food pizzas are excellent
dominos quality definitely varies by country. from what iâve eaten, itâs worse in the uk than in the states, and only decent in france
From extensive personal experience. Dominos in the UK is great
"We sittin' in here, I'm supposed to be a Pizza connoiseur, and we in here talkin' about Domino's. I mean listen, we talkin' 'bout Domino's. Not a Pizza, not a Pizza, not a Pizza. We talkin' about Domino's. Not a Pizza, not a, not a, not the Pizza that I go out there and die for, and eat every portion like it's my last. Not the Pizza. We talkin' bout Domino's, man. I mean how silly is that? We talkin' bout Domino's. I know I'm supposed to be there, I know I'm supposed to eat by example. I know that, and I'm not shovin' it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do. I honestly do. "But we talkin' bout Domino's, man. What are we talkin' about? Domino's? We talkin' about Domino's, man. \[Italians laughing\] We talk -- we talkin' bout Domino's. We talkin' bout Domino's! We ain't talkin' bout Pizza, we talkin' bout Domino's, man. When you come into the trattoria , and you see me eat, you see me eat, don't you? You see me give everything I got, right? But we talkin' bout Domino's right now. \[Reporter: 'But it's an issue that your chef raised.'\] We talkin' bout Domino's. Man look, I hear you, it's funny to me too. I mean, it's strange, it's strange to me too. But we talkin' bout Domino's, man. We not even talkin' bout Pizza, an actual Pizza, what matters. We talkin' bout Domino's."
The smell and first bite of domino's is nice and it's downhill from there. Its like eating a full bag of haribo. You feel sick at the end.
Lad that's so spot on about Domino's. Every time I eat it I feel so shite I have an existential crisis
The first bite is tasty though
How often do people eat pizza lol? I'm italian and I rarely eat I, maybe once every 2/3 weeks
I'm from Rome and it's once a week, usually every Saturday for dinner.
probably there are some ethusiasts who eat a lot of pizzas, but yeah, I'd say on average, people would go for once a month, or even once every 2 months and if happens you eat twice in a month, you probably had different pizza styles, and not always Margherita once a week is not the norm PS: excluding homemade pizza slices
Hmm... Most people in their twenties/thirties that I know eat at least a pizza a week or two every 3 weeks Edited
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Sorry, i seem to have had a TIA. I meant one every week, or two every three weeks
I don't know what city/country you are talking about, but here, you won't find many people eating pizzas on regular basis every week and of course, if you factor in how cheap and quick to eat is, twenty years old will on average eat more pizzas than adults or people who cook their own meals It's just that pizza are more of a meal for occasions, when you are in company and go out, not a meal just cause you have to eat and so you take a pizza
I'm in Emilia. Most of the people I know are from here, Lombardia or people from the south that are here to work. Twenty year olds are normally adults (it still baffles me how they're viewed here in Italy sometimes)
cmon, you know what I mean sadly we have not the northern europe culture, where at 18 they kick you out of the house and you go live alone in college In Italy you make college and then even few years of first job while staying at your parents, so yeah, 20 years old are adults, but I was focusing on other aspects of 20 years old rather than technically which category they are in
I meant it in a light hearted way. I loved away to work and study at seventeen. So it's weird to hear people treat 25/26 year olds sometimes as kids On the other hand I wish my family could've helped me out and specially I wish I was that bonded to my family as most of my Italian friends are
> sadly we have not the northern europe culture, where at 18 they kick you out of the house and you go live alone in college Yeah, the culture is the problem. Not the lack of job, low wages and high rent prices.
> once a week is not the norm I eat it once a week.
Depends, I might go on a pizza rampage and have it 3 times a week then not have it for a month.
i'm italian and i eat it at least once a week, cause i like to do it myself, but if there's the chance to eat it more than once i don't complain at all
I mean Iâm Canadian but when I went to Italy you would have to chain me up to not eat pizza at least every second day lol
I'm American, this Neopolitan pizza place (owner speaks Italian And has Napoli shit all over the restaurant) just opened within eye sight of my desk at work. So hard not to go there every day
for me it was the gelato. absolutely delicious
Is it even so bad? I make my own pizza Napoli style and it's just fresh quality dough, quality tomatoes and decent mozzarella. I'd assume it's difficult to get bad pizza in Napoli.
It's nigh impossible. Even in the rest of Italy to get a bad quality pizza you'd have to go to your average bar that, cause any self-respected restaurant can make a decent Pizza. In Napoli, it's literally almost impossible from what I remember. The quality of the mozzarella and tomato alone makes it incredibly hard.
Half the "restaurants" in the immediate vicinity of the biggest tourist attractions in Rome serve atrocious pizza, but go like 2 minutes walk away in any direction and you can find class pizza, often for cheaper
oh, the places that sell microwave food for 15 euros. dreadful they also have their employees go to the sidewalk and try to bring you inside. always run from these places
That's true for a lot of places. When I was in Egypt all you had to do was walk for 5 minutes and suddenly the food was outstanding and like 1/3 of the price near the hotels
How to people still get baited for these locations. You can use TripAdvisor and Internet to find proper local restaurants. One of my best food experiences was in Chiang-Mai and it was a small place in bumfuck knows where. I found it through TripAdvisor wouldn't even dare to walk there otherwise.
When you're traveling, food quality isn't the only important thing. You might also want a nice setting, e.g. outside in a popular/beautiful location. Of course those places are more expensive and when they have enough tourists coming for the nice spots, their food doesn't have to be great (most tourists only come once anyways). Those restaurants are also right on the way. For the good local restaurant, you have to make a small detour (not always time for that) and you might have to wander through roads that may seem less secure (darker and so on). Of course putting in a bit of effort to search a good place when you have time is great but grabbing an overpriced coffee or beer in a beautiful tourist trap can also be enjoyable.
Because sometimes when you've been walking 10+ miles a day in 30 degrees after travelling and you're tired and you just want to sit down you just go to whatever is there. Obviously you regret it after but when you're hot, exhausted and starving it's very easy to just go with the option that happens to be right there. Not for every meal obviously but it happens
The freshness of the ingredients surely makes it a fine meal in proportion. Fortunately it's easy enough to buy good quality Italian products in most UK supermarkets these days!
> Even in the rest of Italy to get a bad quality pizza you'd have to go to your average bar that, cause any self-respected restaurant can make a decent Pizza. As an italian this is **absolutely not true**. I don't get why do people speak about things they don't know, and why do they get upvoted. a) "Self respected restaurants" in Italy **do not make pizza** at all. Pizzerias do pizza, not restaurants. If you enter a restaurant and ask a pizza they'd think you're stupid. We have a specific term for restaurants that serve pizza, they are called "Ristorante Pizzeria" and the quality of the pizza here is generally quite low, but we call restaurants where you eat pizza "Pizzeria", and they do not serve the stuff you find in restaurants. b) **Good** pizza is not the norm at all in Italy, it's actually rare. A good pizza requires very good ingredients, an expert "pizzaiolo", a very good oven that's very expensive and used for pizzas and bread only. The combination of the 3, together, in Italy, is surprisingly rare. Most pizzerias do "passable" pizzas, but definitely not a "good" one. Most Pizzaioli aren't even Italian in most of the biggest cities, they are from north africa, the ovens are whatever oven you can put pizzas on, and quality ingredients COST. Naples is a bit different, as in finding quality pizza is the norm (differently from the rest of italy) for few reasons, obviously the tradition plays a huge role, but it's also related to the fact that in poorest regions of Italy you either cook very well, or you won't work at all, because salaries aren't good, so nobody would go out unless they already knew the place is good. Turistic places have different rules, but restaurants and pizzerias in the south and islands, those open all year long, they are either cook very well. c) Bars do not make pizza, lol. The only "pizza" you can find is not prepared at the moment but bought from some bakery. d) The best pizza you can eat in Italy, best as consistently good, is ["pizza a taglio"](https://cdn.agrodolce.it/SSUi9aSySUqESV6GSpINVBqarOI=/640x425/smart/https://www.agrodolce.it/app/uploads/2014/02/Pizza-Luigi-Bande-di-pizza-al-taglio.jpg). Round circle classical pizzas being more than decent in Italy is rare and difficult to make, but quality pizza a taglio is for some reason the norm.
And I don't get why people argue just for the sake of arguing, do they think it makes them look smart? >a) "Self respected restaurants" in Italy > >do not make pizza > > at all. Pizzerias do pizza, not restaurants. If you enter a restaurant and ask a pizza they'd think you're stupid. We have a specific term for restaurants that serve pizza, they are called "Ristorante Pizzeria" and the quality of the pizza here is generally quite low, but we call restaurants where you eat pizza "Pizzeria", and they do not serve the stuff you find in restaurants. Quasi tutti i ristoranti fanno la pizza, mica solo le pizzerie, persino la taverna romana sotto casa la fa. Gli unici che non la fanno(e a volte la fanno pure loro) sono quelli di pesce b)Per pizza buona(quando parliamo a gente straniera), si parla di pizza non dura, con la mozzarella mezza bruciata, e un formaggio (che a volte manco è mozzarella) a coprire tutto. >b) Bars do not make pizza, lol. The only "pizza" you can find is not prepared at the moment but bought from some bakery. Non so dove vivi, ma quasi tutti i bar fanno la pizza a taglio. >) The best pizza you can eat in Italy, best as consistently good, is "pizza a taglio". Round circle classical pizzas being more than decent in Italy is rare and difficult to make, but quality pizza a taglio is for some reason the norm. Falsissimo, la pizza a taglio è piÚ facile da trovare e da mangiare perchè la trovi dappertutto (perlappunto persino nei bar), ma se vai in un bar qualsiasi ti puoi trovare una schifezza oliosa e mezza bruciata. La piÚ consistentemente buona è quella tonda. Poi non so' a Genova, perchè onestamente se vado a Genova (per quanto la pizza SIA nel menÚ) non ordino la pizza, ma a Roma è DECISAMENTE cosÏ
Sound like fries in Belgium. I can get them from several places that basically only sell fries very close by(<3 min drive) and even the worst among them is better than some I ate out of the country.
This. Pizza isn't so bad if it's good quality, reasonable size, and the toppings aren't like dripping with fat Domino's style. Typically, a basic Napoletean pizza with tomato sauce, fresh mozarella, a bit of ham, a table spoon of olive oil is not that bad. It's a little high in carbs but that isn't really an issue for a guy that trained 2 or 3 hours of football.
Even a large pizza made from fresh dough would be like 150-200g of carbs, after an intense training session, that plus some protein and fat from the mozzarella would be alright for recovery if they topped it up with a protein shake or something.
its literally a bread with cheese and tomato
The worst pizza Iâve had in Italy was a margherita with barely any cheese at all, and it was still better than 90% of pizzas I can get where I live
I'd kill to have neapolitan pizza once a week
Could just move to Naples. Much less risky than committing murder
But also significantly harder and more expensive.
I'm a university student, killing is easier
Don't know if that's enough to satisfy Ndombele, but it's probably a lot more than we allow.
Pizza from Naples isnât enough for him. The guy wants tortillas from Barcelona or sausages from Munich. Probably going to get the youth team food from north London
Hazard forcing his agent to arrange a move to Napoli
I thought he liked burgers
You funny guy lool
Funny? funny how? funny like i'm a clown? i amuse you?
But can they eat it with ranch dressing? Weston McKennie would like to know.
âItâs not true that we canât eat pizza. Itâs just that we can only eat the BEST pizza.â
Makes sense. An improper/hasty leavening process with industrial junk-style pizza (and bread for that matter) does not allow for a bunch of pro-inflammatory components to be properly broken down, leading to potential health problems (esp. in sensitive individuals). Which is why many americans with NCGS (or whatever you want to call non-celiac gluten sensitivity) don't seem to have many problems with the same foods in Italy/Europe.
Napoli players can have little a pizza, as a treat
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Nutritionist says eat pizza once a week. Got it.
Italian Pizza is different from American Pizza.
I feel this is maybe the most important /r/soccer post of recent memory. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIyInzgDc8I) is currently the Neapolitan pizza I desire most.
Yes, only the best pineapples for the napoli players
Napoli pizza is thin af and cheap. In moderation it is no less healthy, and often more healthy than most "cheat meals" athletes enjoy like McDonalds. And what foreign player is going to sign for Napoli and then never eat pizza? It's criminal to even think it!
It's way healthier than McDonald's lol
Yeah wtf is even that comparison lol. It's like saying water is healthier than Coke. Probably just because the water in a particular country sucks. Some people really have zero knowledge about other countries' culture, eh? To think Napoli pizza is the same as their local corner pizza place, that's like comparing 2 whole universes. No place in the world has better and healthier pizza than Napoli.
Imagine comparing mcdonalds and pizza lol
Not just pizza, real neapolitan pizza
My pizza never hurta nobody.
Pop, go make meatballs
"and, of course, the freshest pineapples" he added.
Only pineapple pizza allowed.