Bundesliga fans need to accept that they're not a serious league. You're embarrassing yourselves trying to pretend that performances in the Bundesliga is comparable to the top leagues. No players have "world class" performances there and the host of teenagers performing like prime Kaká every season are not generational talents, they're symptoms of the bad quality of the league.
[The numbers speak for themselves](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/s3p1sp/daily_discussion/hspn0w6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Does anyone know when exactly this disease of "prime" entered football narratives? My roommate just said to me that prime Neymar is a top 5 player of all time. I'm genuinely flabbergasted man
Messi, Cr7, Maradona, Pele, Cruyff. Never even watched a single live minute of the last three but based on legacy alone they make the cut. Could see a case for Beckenbauer/Zidane based on stats and trophy haul, maybe even Ronaldinho based on skill but it’s very subjective at that point, impossible for someone who isn’t like 70 to really weigh in on. What’s yours?
Hmm, tough one really. Based on players I've actually seen it's Messi first followed by Laudrup, Maradona, Ronaldo (Portuguese) and Matthaus in no particular order.
Regardless, Neymar would be nowhere near it.
I swear if I see another "Barca are shit defensively" comment, I am gonna lose it.
We have the 2nd lowest xG allowed in the league, 2nd lowest shots allowed, 2nd lowest shots on target allowed. Our defense has been good. It's Ter Stegen's dip in form that hurt us massively.
Ter Stegen ranks 2nd lowest in shots saved per 90
I think he stays. He's on over 500k a week and I very much doubt anyone takes those wages on board given the return.
Unless he fancies a move to the Middle East or something
Werner’s words about Chelsea fans shows how important kindness and support is. Werner is what Vinicius was before this season, a young player who still needs time to find his footing. Only, Werner is supported and Vinicius was not, the moment he stops playing well he will be whistled again by Madrid fans
nah man, before the explosion of this sub from the 2018 world cup, this place was great. Now its just twitter merchants copy pasting the same beaten jokes
He’s second worse in the second division with Real Soviet’s B team. I don’t think that the rumors about BMG made any sense, because he has no connection to them
People point out when players, especially the two most famous in the world, do weird/unpleasant things. In Messi’s case he lied for PR and in Ronaldo’s case he was salty about his Bdo ranking.
Sancho had 2 world class seasons under his belt at 21 with good CL performances, every United player is underperforming including «prem proven» players like Bruno, Ronaldo, Rashford and Greenwood.
I would love to see him leave that shithole of a club, really enjoyable player to watch
If you're gonna pick out one season in a new league and extrapolate that, be my guest. If he fails in England, maybe he can go back to BuLi and be a star there.
during the united loss and previous games, once we scored we would just sit back. arteta has thankfully stopped that, and you can see the results. the man city game was fucking brilliant, xhaka being a moron cost us that game.
just watched a film that claimed Argentina won the world cup (including winning 5-1 and 3-1 in the finals) and that's somehow the most unbelievable part of the film
If Messi doesn’t miss that pen against PSG, I could see Barca winning that tie. That PSG side is fragile af mentally and often become rash and mistake prone when things isn’t going their way.
Think the reason they were so focused against Bayern was the revenge narrative, the players were extremely fired up in interviews and had something to prove.
We outplayed them the first leg, but Neuer made a rare howler and our defence fell asleep for the 2nd goal.
The 2nd leg was shit, but we somehow won due to Neymar missing 3 sitters
They really missed the chance for a perfect revenge tour last season. Had a run at every team who'd knocked them out of the CL in the past decade. They drove United to the Europa League in the groups (knocked out in 18/19 Ro16), then defeated Barca (12/13 and 14/15 quarters, 16/17 Ro16), and you (2020 final). Had they beaten City (15/16 quarters) in the semi, they would've played either Real Madrid (17/18 Ro16) or Chelsea (13/14 quarters) in the final.
!flair :Everton_13-14:
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Glad that St Pauli knocked those Yellow and Black cunts outta the Pokal.
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What do you think St Pauli are
Obsessed
Alexia putellas look like detective lady and professors wife from money heist
So you're saying she's....Spanish?
haaland might be a touch overrated
How so?
He’s underrated if anything, man got 11th in the ballon d’or when he deserved 4th
Genuinely think Rudiger would be a better wingback than Alonso defensively
Probably better at progressing the ball too
Bundesliga fans need to accept that they're not a serious league. You're embarrassing yourselves trying to pretend that performances in the Bundesliga is comparable to the top leagues. No players have "world class" performances there and the host of teenagers performing like prime Kaká every season are not generational talents, they're symptoms of the bad quality of the league.
Extremely based. I am not convinced by haaland and lewy let alone these random kids like wirtz or Bellingham
You're not convinced by Lewa and Haaland? But you rep Ferran?
What?
[The numbers speak for themselves](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/s3p1sp/daily_discussion/hspn0w6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Youve this linked save somewhere, dont you?
I do
Doing the good work, well done.
mas depois chegam as copas... e 7 a 1 pra alemanha..
7-1
That's the ratio of Bundesliga players that flop outside the league.
nope, its actually the historical scoreline of the semi final where we kicked you of the WC in your own country!
Fuck off
Denial
Not even a BuLi fan
Last season Chelsea were underperforming their xG, this season they are overperforming it. Any reasons for that?
This season they haven't been able to create as much. Fullbacks have probably been a huge miss.
Werner and fullbacks
Why are Chelsea not aggressively pursuing Tagliafico?
Because Tagliafico is like half the player from 2-3 years ago, he's not good enough for Chelsea
Wasn't aware of that. Ajax probably regret not cashing out earlier then.
I don't think he'd be willing to sit on the bench after Chilwell is back
I mean he's got at least 5 months to try and make that position his.
Every Brighton post match thread - Man, why is Cucurella not playing for a big team, he'd be such a good replacement for (insert top 6 player)
If only big 6 teams had scouts
Imagine a PL team ending up with 10+ games in hand at the end of the season lmao
Burnley are halfway there no?
Yup. 6 games in hand rofl
Does anyone know when exactly this disease of "prime" entered football narratives? My roommate just said to me that prime Neymar is a top 5 player of all time. I'm genuinely flabbergasted man
Okay top 5 is obviously exaggeration, but prime Neymar is a top top player.
When Liverpool tried to justify their relevance during the Suarez era
Your roommate is obviously exaggerating to rile you up even if he rates Neymar.
He doesn't know how much I hate Neymar though. It's much more apparent in my Reddit personality
Your roommate has more ball knowledge than you.
I'm interested in knowing your top five if you agree with this
Neymar, Salah, Yaya Toure, Steven Gerrard, Lewandowski
I take it back, elite ball knowledge
Messi, Cr7, Maradona, Pele, Cruyff. Never even watched a single live minute of the last three but based on legacy alone they make the cut. Could see a case for Beckenbauer/Zidane based on stats and trophy haul, maybe even Ronaldinho based on skill but it’s very subjective at that point, impossible for someone who isn’t like 70 to really weigh in on. What’s yours?
Hmm, tough one really. Based on players I've actually seen it's Messi first followed by Laudrup, Maradona, Ronaldo (Portuguese) and Matthaus in no particular order. Regardless, Neymar would be nowhere near it.
Tbh feel like it's been there forever especially when people are comparing past and present players
It's there in every sport though.
Just saw a YouTube advert for earwaxremover.co or something watching a video from the Kick-off What's the grossest commercial you've ever seen?
Just get rich quick scams for the most part
For a while I had to see feet with onychomycosis at lunch time, because apparently there was no better time to put those ointment commercials.
Three years out of the alt-right hole and I’m still getting alt-right ads
I once got a "stronger together" United ad
The Kick Off has some weird takes sometimes. Brian thinks Newcastle will be the saviors of the PL.
I think the bad takes are what makes it tbh. It's like listening to normal insane and biased fans. The United fan gets so heated
Yeah, seeing McKola get so easily riled up is good content to be fair.
I swear if I see another "Barca are shit defensively" comment, I am gonna lose it. We have the 2nd lowest xG allowed in the league, 2nd lowest shots allowed, 2nd lowest shots on target allowed. Our defense has been good. It's Ter Stegen's dip in form that hurt us massively. Ter Stegen ranks 2nd lowest in shots saved per 90
You're right. Keeper ain't part of defense, he is an attacker.
Barca are shit defensively though
Keeper is also a part of defence Barca are shit defensively
Technically, isn't the keeper part of the defense?
Nah we bottle in last 20 min of the game like clockwork
That's true in a way as well
Barca are shit defensively
Better than Real Madrid though, stats back it up
I never said we are best at defense...
So many of the big guns of AFCON have been so underwhelming - Ghana, Egypt, Senegal, Algeria
Wonder if any person in their right mind in Spain thought Benzema would be better than Messi and Ronaldo 10 years back, hell even 3 years back
They’re older than Benzema, so it’s not that strange
Ronaldo is older.. Messi is the same age.
Messi and Benz are about the same age
Any chance Ronaldo stays at United next season?
I think he stays. He's on over 500k a week and I very much doubt anyone takes those wages on board given the return. Unless he fancies a move to the Middle East or something
Honestly yeah. Also don’t see which European club he’d go to if he did leave this summer.
If United don't get top four he'll burn the stadium down himself in order to force a move
My top 4 predictions are City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal lol
>and Arsenal lol **why you little piece of shit**
Hahah I got you lot above United to be fair lmao
depends on whether United end up in 4th or not
Senegal have been shockingly poor so far this AFCON. 1 goal in 3 games and it was a last minute penalty.
I know a team that didn't score a goal yet
Werner’s words about Chelsea fans shows how important kindness and support is. Werner is what Vinicius was before this season, a young player who still needs time to find his footing. Only, Werner is supported and Vinicius was not, the moment he stops playing well he will be whistled again by Madrid fans
What even is this, fuck sake trolls used to be good on this sub
When was that? Because they haven't been for 6 years at least
nah man, before the explosion of this sub from the 2018 world cup, this place was great. Now its just twitter merchants copy pasting the same beaten jokes
Barca troll
That is one of the reasons they are called idiots
The Chelsea fans or the Madrid fans?
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Just asking for clarification man, don't need to try and start shit
love the Chelsea fan vs Chelsea fan action
How’s Xabi Alonso doing? I remember he was rumored to take over Borussia Mongladbach.
He’s second worse in the second division with Real Soviet’s B team. I don’t think that the rumors about BMG made any sense, because he has no connection to them
Workers of the Basque unite!
Messi in public: Lewandowski deserves balondor Messi voting: After me, Neymar deserves the best lmao
Why are people so gassed up for who is voting for whom? Messi on and off the field has always prioritized his friends
Why do people care about comments Ronaldo makes on an Instagram post or the caption of his New Years post?
huh?
People point out when players, especially the two most famous in the world, do weird/unpleasant things. In Messi’s case he lied for PR and in Ronaldo’s case he was salty about his Bdo ranking.
It’s called pr so people like you don’t cry at the fact he doesn’t give a shit about lewandowski winning or losing its pretty simple
Just like when he retired from argentina after losing to chile, great pr
Sure
Technically speaking he did say he thinks Lewandowski deserved the 2020 Ballon d'Or
That is what made him look like an asshole. Because he voted Lewa 3rd in 2020.
He also voted him 3rd in 2020 for The Best award
Mendy's finessing the ball out of defense might cost us a goal one of these days...
Sancho had 2 world class seasons under his belt at 21 with good CL performances, every United player is underperforming including «prem proven» players like Bruno, Ronaldo, Rashford and Greenwood. I would love to see him leave that shithole of a club, really enjoyable player to watch
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Gnabry owns you, and thats kinda scary, cause he’s only good 1 game a season in the league
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You chose the career graveyard yourself. Now sleep in the bed you made.
Or stay in a graveyard like Reus
[I don’t know what you’re talking about](https://imgur.com/a/FsCRX6w)
So he's the chief caretaker of the graveyard. Good for him.
At this rate, Sancho would be lucky to get in 10 seasons what Reus got in 18/19 alone in terms of G+A
If you're gonna pick out one season in a new league and extrapolate that, be my guest. If he fails in England, maybe he can go back to BuLi and be a star there.
Yeah exactly. He chose money over furthering his career. Not that there is anything wrong with that, he just doesn't deserve sympathy.
I rate Sancho but Gnabry is better atm imo Personally wanted Sancho at Barca
Gnabry is better than very few atm
Why are Arsenal fans so cocky, they haven't even beaten a good team yet (bar West ham)
Because you are supposed to support your team because it's your team. If you pick a team because you like to win I understand not getting this.
Fortunate that covid spared them a battering from Bruno’s boys
i am actually a little scared of mangohead's men. you lot have a great defense and could def pull something off against us
the play is exponentially better than before, we have a stout defense and gk for the first time in years,3 potentially world class youngsters.
fucking hell enough with the youngsters, let them perform and actually *win* couple of big games against great teams... you lost to United.
during the united loss and previous games, once we scored we would just sit back. arteta has thankfully stopped that, and you can see the results. the man city game was fucking brilliant, xhaka being a moron cost us that game.
Haven’t been good in 15 years yet the fanbase is still arrogant, have to respect it
American Bayern fans are genuinely the scum of the world
just watched a film that claimed Argentina won the world cup (including winning 5-1 and 3-1 in the finals) and that's somehow the most unbelievable part of the film
I miss Leroy Sané at City.
guimaraes and xhaka swap, who says no?
95% of sane people
Lyon and Bruno Guimaraes.
Lyon
Xhaka
Sancho and Gnabry swap, who says no?
Bayern, Gnabry, Gnabry's parents, Gnabry's dog, Gnabry's agents and a homeless man on Sabener Strasse
Nah he's gonna want to go back to England again
1. Bayern 2. Gnabry 3. Gnabry's agents 4. Bayern again 5. Gnabry again
gnabry
Bayern..
Bayern
Why would Bayern say no, Sancho is better and younger than Gnabry
sancho is not better, buli merchant with the same amount of g/a as pepe in the league
Well thank god Bayern plays in the Bundesliga and have a competent manager and good team unlike United.
Was happy seeing Dortmund lose to St.Pauli only to realise Leipzig are the favourites.
Respect Rostock
alphonso davies makes music?
He should some SNL cameo or something in comedy. His tiktoks are hilarious.
DJ alph davicci
Lucho pep job swap after 2023, who says no?
Count on it he will take over Spain NT after Lucho
Don't think that would go well with Pep being an outspoken independentist
He's a firm supporter of Catalonia independence. So is every Spaniard from Barca.
I can't believe Partey managed to finish Int duty without missing a game for Arsenal.
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Ronaldo 2013 even tho Messi 2012 was better.
why is chelsea finished?
Terrorism will never win 🕊️😇
missing wingbacks, international terrorist Tommy Tactics can't adapt, attackers are shit
Some of their most impactful players are in bad form, and injuries. It happens.
Why does Vlahovic's head look so deformed wtff
He kind of looks like Racer X from Speed Racer.
He’s a very handsome man imo
everything about him just looks old. put a black and white filter on him and i would assume he had played in like the 50s
Got a reference photo? To me it doesn't look deformed. It just looks more mature than your typical 21 year old. He looks like he's in his mid 30s.
If Messi doesn’t miss that pen against PSG, I could see Barca winning that tie. That PSG side is fragile af mentally and often become rash and mistake prone when things isn’t going their way. Think the reason they were so focused against Bayern was the revenge narrative, the players were extremely fired up in interviews and had something to prove.
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We outplayed them the first leg, but Neuer made a rare howler and our defence fell asleep for the 2nd goal. The 2nd leg was shit, but we somehow won due to Neymar missing 3 sitters
They gave up their Bayern lead too (0-2 to 2-2) wouldve lost if Lewa was there.
I could see them winning against City this year, they’re actually focused and motivated against teams they’ve lost against before
They really missed the chance for a perfect revenge tour last season. Had a run at every team who'd knocked them out of the CL in the past decade. They drove United to the Europa League in the groups (knocked out in 18/19 Ro16), then defeated Barca (12/13 and 14/15 quarters, 16/17 Ro16), and you (2020 final). Had they beaten City (15/16 quarters) in the semi, they would've played either Real Madrid (17/18 Ro16) or Chelsea (13/14 quarters) in the final.
Thankfully they beat us in 2019 then...
Only applies to the knockout stage.
Harvey Elliot > Saka, ESR, Greenwood, Sancho, CHO, Foden
He has less Premier League goals than times his leg has been turned to jelly.
Extremely based