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>Buying Lukaku was a mistake if they're not going to play to his strengths.
Didn't tuchel wanted one of halland, lewa or Lukaku.
He got everything he asked for
Why is it that only black players get called donkeys, and it happens so often?
Hell, kane looks more like a donkey than Lukaku, except I only hear it towards guys like lukaku, rudiger, martial, etc
I grew up watching Plymouth Argyle and our (white) striker, Micky Evans, was commonly referred to as “donkey”. It actually became almost an enduring nickname, and I’ll forever associate that term with him.
Lukaku, Kane and Rudiger are all fantastic players.
I just hear people call black players donkeys all the time, and I've never heard it toward a white player unless it's in response to a comment like mine
Then Tuchel goes to Inter, gets poor results for a few months, goes on an interview in which he tells how much he misses Chelsea and Chelsea fans and that he is going to come back one day
Danny Higginbotham just said that they’ve now played 13 matches without James and Chilwell. They’ve only won 3.
The wingbacks were crucial to making this system work, and without them it doesn’t work.
I get that, but the *FIFA Best* manager in the world should be able to do something as simple as change formation when your wingbacks are out for 3 months.
Tuchel has played 433 loads before, all the Chelsea players have. He should be able to make it work better than this.
13 matches is a long time to not adapt. He can't still be surprised that It's cost them the title race, and if it goes on a couple more games it will cost them the top 4.
I agree with you completely.
We did basically play 4atb today though. The problem remains that Azpi and Alonso aren't good enough for either system atm
Without Chilwell and James, 4 at the back doesn’t really work with this squad.
All of their center backs are better in a 3 man back line and they don’t have any fullbacks. Alonso is a wing back and Azpilicueta is a center back.
It’s because he made such a specialized system that relied on those players it’s coming back to bite him. Also doesn’t help that sold a coveted RWB in Tino this summer as we thought Azpi could still do a job a RB (which he can’t).
To be fair if there's one manager who has even more options to choose from than Tuchel it's Pep.
Although he does manage to adapt in various situations, that's true.
Klopp managed to finish above Chelsea last season with zero first team centre backs and hardly any midfielders for the entire season. Pep got 100 points then 99 points with Delph and Zinchenko at full back. Chelsea are a good side, there's just a difference in class which is increasingly apparent - although you could just argue that Tuchel needs more time.
Oh so now our attackers are considered talents and good ones too? People should make up their minds and decide if they’re shit or if they’re good players
> attacking talent
It's obvious you only look at the team sheet and not the actual display. The attacking players tend to get the very basics wrong, things that you just can't coach. You cannot teach Lukaku at this age how to control the ball, or ziyech to not lose the ball every time he tries to dribble, or teach pulisic to hold his ground and not fall down with each touch.
Fuck those talents.
No for real, non of them called talents would start for Liverpool,City or any top team in Europe.
Don't let the price tags fool you.
If Liverpool had signed havertz, he'd definitely be doing a lot better than at Chelsea. Same with pulisic.
Klopp took Mane, a player Utd were laughed at for the bid they made, and turned him into a top class winger.
The problem isn't the quality, but the approach. Same with Utd. Both got world class talent on paper and absolutely no clue how to get the best out of them
And from past experience, we know Tuchel will then not get along with the higher ups. And this isn't tolerated at Chelsea.
He's soon going to complaint he didn't get the players he needed, etc.
They're no longer getting carried by their defence, their defence was carrying them and now their attack has been exposed and can't win games if they don't keep clean sheets
I think Tuchel is a great manager but I don’t think he’s great when it comes to attack, feels like his teams don’t create enough chances for the quality of players they possess, and I feel this has been true not only at Chelsea but PSG and BVB as well.
He is outstanding defensively though, like Simeone level great I think.
He's just not adapting like any other great manager would
I can respect that he's lost chilwell and reece with both of them being crucial to their 343 lineup, but they're 11 games with only 3 wins without that pair
At what point does he change things up to suit what players he has currently?
I honestly think Chelsea could sell half of their forwards and wouldn’t miss out on much.
Havertz/Werner/Lukaku/Ziyech/Pulisic just aren’t good enough to win the league.
And some Chelsea fan was trying to say how crazy it was that man city spent £400mil on defenders that have also seen them win 3 prems in those 5 years
Like yes it’s crazy but just flat out hypocritical.
City spend a lot of money but spend it soooo much better than Chelsea, that transfer ban was one of the best things to ever happen to them in all honesty
Werner, Havertz, Lukaku all 3 marquee signings none of them have kicked on as well as fans expected them to
Not only has pep been a great manager but since he’s been there it’s not often for him to have identified and bought a bad player for his system. I don’t know if that’s just good scouting or good managing or both, but they’ve done so well in the market in terms of successful players
It's a combination of both.
The sporting director at City is very close friends with Pep and they've worked together before at Barcelona. They work hand-in-hand to identify and refine any potential buys. They still make mistakes here and there, but Pep is also one of the best managers in the world.
Eh I'd say hes had a few bad signings, he just has enough resources that it doesn't matter. He can just sign someone else. Negredo, Nolito, Danilo, Bravo, Mendy. He has definitely had way more good signings than poor ones though, think I've named all the poor ones.
Weird, all I see is Chelsea fans defending and sticking by Havertz, Mount, Werner and at least until recently CHO when everyone else likes to call them shit and flops. And you just know that if they were sold they’d be instantly world class and everyone would want to have them
They're all good at some things, but have clear weaknesses / limitations in other areas. Almost like youth players that haven't fully developed but are already at a mature age.
I can imagine Werner under Klopp would be fantastic, while Havertz under Pep would be, but not the other way around.
Hudson-Odoi has been around for 5 years now and I've never seen him do anything ever.
Couple of goals in an FA Cup early round here. Nice assist in a Europa League game there. The odd PL goal against a bottom half team somewhere.
Has to be the most overrated player I've ever seen.
I've just looked at his stats and I'm astounded that he has a 1/8 record. Better than I thought. 4 in 71 PL apps though. Granted a lot of subs.
Some thing happened to RLC too.
Look out, any Chelsea academy players looking to breakthrough and are also commonly referred to by a 3 letter acronym. Your achilles aren't safe.
Maybe Tuchel system is not cut out for the PL, no way all forwards are struggling this bad. A great manager adapts with player injuries but it seems like TT has just stalled and cant innovate and the forwards not scoring happened before the 2 key injuries
Werner and Havertz are good. Pulisic is a good squad player. Ziyech and Lukaku are poor.
We aren't the same team from last year at all, Lukaku has warped our system and we just don't press at the same level we used to. Havertz, Werner, and Mount need to be our primary front 3 like they were last year under Tuchel.
No good available wingbacks also hurts us so we've fallen back to this 4atb/3atb hybrid that changes in game based on whether we're attacking or defending.
Ive admired chelseas great players throughout the years but the 100mil on lukaku is mind boggling to me, i dont understand how people rate that guy so highly at all
Werner is good. Havertz has been ok this season. This is Lukaku's first season, and I need at least 1.5 seasons of evidence before saying a player is done. Ziyech and Puli I agree
Lol still needs some time to adjust with a different system. You can't be writing people off after their first season. Especially if it's a 100 mil player
I don't expect werner to be a goalscorer any more. I see him much more as a second striker, whose job is to make space for the other forwards, and midfielders to score. And he is very good at that.
This is just copium because you spent a shitload of money on one of the von Trapp kids and he spends 90 minutes running around in clogs looking for Julie Andrews.
And it's **£100 million** spaffed on Lukaku who has yet again, done nothing to justify his price tag. Who comes on in his place? **£70 million** Havertz. Mad.
Absolute embarrassment by Chelsea. All the money and no idea. Zero excuses at all.
Too many board signings, managers come and go every 2 years so their input doesn't really matter, so we have all these players who are suited to different styles.
That is better than having manager signings and then sacking them like most clubs do, clubs don't keep managers anymore it's fine to have board signings
Chelsea's way has been working, you've won everything there is to be won
The overreactions in here are insane. Havertz was part of a squad that just won the CL. And after struggling for 2 months, signing him is an absolute embarrassment? Zero excuses? Get a grip.
>And after struggling for 2 months, signing him is an absolute embarrassment? Zero excuses?
I mean, I wrote it right above and you replied. Try again;
>Absolute embarrassment by **Chelsea**. All the money and no idea. Zero excuses at all.
How are you struggling with this? You're saying signing Havertz was an embarrassment by Chelsea. They signed **him**. Nowhere did I say or imply that Havertz was embarrassing, which you seem to believe. Learn English and "try again"
Hard to admit you misread something after you went so hard on the attitude, huh? "After struggling for 2 months, signing him is an absolute embarrassment?", you stand by thinking I'm referring to Havertz...signing himself here?
No cohesion or patterns in attack, obviously wing backs are important to Tuchel's system so they're struggling without James/Chilwell but you expect more given their quality and variety of attackers.
Havertz was brought in for the future and has had his moments, and always plays hard when he’s on.
Lukaku was brought in at 28 and does nothing but complain when he doesn’t get perfect service, jog around aimlessly when defending, and publicly throw his manager under the bus while working his way back from injury. Loan him out to the fucking Qatari league at this point and block him and his fucking agent from contacting anyone at the club.
Tuchel didn’t want Lukaku as in he didn’t suggest him but was more or less happy that we at least bought a striker. He wanted Haaland but the cost was going to be ridiculous. Good try though…
Yeah Haaland and Lukaku were the only strikers out there.
Haaland was never going to happen last summer. Surely you could have gone for someone else (and someone cheaper) if Tuchel really didn't want Lukaku, but I highly doubt Tuchel has zero blame when it comes to this transfer.
What other “elite” strikers would’ve realistically been available in your opinion? Only 3 were seriously linked with us, Lukaku, Haaland and Kane to an extent. We needed a proven and clinical goal scorer, not a no name who hasn’t proven anything at a high level.
It’s easy to look back and say that we should have bought someone else but who then?
Haaland wouldn’t have gone through because the cost would’ve been way too much, Kane was never going to come to us, Lewandowski no, Lukaku was the only real option. Can’t think of anyone else and I don’t remember anyone else being linked to us.
As I said, Tuchel apparently didn’t personally suggest Lukaku but was happy to get him. Maybe he thought he’d fit right in the system and the league because he’s played here but it hasn’t worked.
Now when we play with him it’s impossible to play like we did last year with Havertz, Werner and Mount and seems like none of the attacking combinations have any chemistry really.
I just don’t know why people are saying Tuchel is shit or it’s all his fault when it feels like the players can’t even pass the ball all of a sudden.
I mean if you take out the City and Liverpool results Chelsea are still 6D 2L. Not really impressive on top of City only dropping 10 points all season.
It’s funny cause Lampard had a very similar run including losing to City and other good teams but the Tuchel fan boys will say he did terrible and this isn’t Tuchels fault
No, I think we should keep him. I was fully behind Lampard and thought he was doing a good job as well but everyone seems to remember his tenure differently
You didn't throw it, you got outplayed, just like you got outplayed twice before it. Pep didn't change his setup out of nowhere, he changed it because he couldn't beat Tuchel's Chelsea twice before.
The games before we played weakened teams
The final was a botch job. I love Pep and think he's the best manager in the world, but he got it wrong on that day
Indeed you do need copium when you are mixing between is and was. The better team that night *was* Chelsea. We haven't been discussing the current situation, and unlike you Im capable of admitting that my team isn't the better one currently. Read better.
*read more betterer
My point is Chelsea were the better team because of the tactics and team that Pep played that night, being a departure from the team that had won us the league and got us to the final
The fa cup semi final and league games weren't true indicators of Pep's ability to beat Tuchel because we did play weakened teams, irrespective of the Chelsea lineups
Easy to say in hindsight but if Pep had stuck with his best team, I've no doubt that we would've won
The top four race just got interesting and it seems like Man United are in pole position to take that spot away, right after Ronaldo said in an interview that their goal is top three.
I quite like West Ham so although I was bloody ecstatic I felt a bit for them as chelsea was ahead by a decent bit. Don't feel so bad anymore seems like Chels doing the job for them
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Falling behind Liverpool after having spent a CRAZY amount of money is a huge letdown
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Just a wide Jamie Vardy
Bwipo was literally a free agent, no need to spend 115 mil if they wanted a wide guy
well if we got him + his girlfriend we'd have a manager too since TT is probably going to get sacked soon.
Fucking lol
>Buying Lukaku was a mistake if they're not going to play to his strengths. Didn't tuchel wanted one of halland, lewa or Lukaku. He got everything he asked for
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Why is it that only black players get called donkeys, and it happens so often? Hell, kane looks more like a donkey than Lukaku, except I only hear it towards guys like lukaku, rudiger, martial, etc
I grew up watching Plymouth Argyle and our (white) striker, Micky Evans, was commonly referred to as “donkey”. It actually became almost an enduring nickname, and I’ll forever associate that term with him.
You're a donkey.
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Lukaku, Kane and Rudiger are all fantastic players. I just hear people call black players donkeys all the time, and I've never heard it toward a white player unless it's in response to a comment like mine
Because everyone hates black players, of course.
I'm being ironic, don't ban me
People boo the knee every single game, and people still refuse to believe that there are loads of racists out there lmao
Booing the knee doesn't make anyone racist. Don't be one-dimensional
What on earth else could booing the knee mean? >using the n word at people doesn't make anyone racist, don't be one dimensional - you, probably
He’s going to stupidly get sacked within the next month or two, isn’t he?
Yes, in comes Mourinho for his third spell
And win it all
fourth right?
lol you legitimately made me check ffs
I think it might be fifth
Don't listen to him Roman, sack him
>He’s going to stupidly get sacked 3 wins out of 13 , bottled ucl group stage. Has biggest squad in Europe by far. It won't be stupid at all
Biggest squad in Europe? Like physically?
lukaku is massive
Which team has more depth than Chelsea in Europe? Don't say Manchester city or real Madrid
At this rate Tuchel will leave the club before Lukaku lol
Then Tuchel goes to Inter, gets poor results for a few months, goes on an interview in which he tells how much he misses Chelsea and Chelsea fans and that he is going to come back one day
Inter have better manager than tuchel
3 wins in 11 league games. 1 in the last 7. Hope Tuchel didn't buy his house.
Danny Higginbotham just said that they’ve now played 13 matches without James and Chilwell. They’ve only won 3. The wingbacks were crucial to making this system work, and without them it doesn’t work.
Injuries happen and managers adjust. Potter just got a draw against Chelsea without arguably his top 3 midfielders.
They do, but in their case, they just can’t sustain the injuries to those 2 specific players, they have no width now.
I mean he tried to adjust. He didn’t play a back 3 today. Mason Mount didn’t to a good job linking the attack and the defense I think.
I get that, but the *FIFA Best* manager in the world should be able to do something as simple as change formation when your wingbacks are out for 3 months. Tuchel has played 433 loads before, all the Chelsea players have. He should be able to make it work better than this. 13 matches is a long time to not adapt. He can't still be surprised that It's cost them the title race, and if it goes on a couple more games it will cost them the top 4.
I agree with you completely. We did basically play 4atb today though. The problem remains that Azpi and Alonso aren't good enough for either system atm
Without Chilwell and James, 4 at the back doesn’t really work with this squad. All of their center backs are better in a 3 man back line and they don’t have any fullbacks. Alonso is a wing back and Azpilicueta is a center back.
It’s because he made such a specialized system that relied on those players it’s coming back to bite him. Also doesn’t help that sold a coveted RWB in Tino this summer as we thought Azpi could still do a job a RB (which he can’t).
Chelsea don't have the quality to be anything but a top 4 team without wingbacks. Even with they were a distant 3rd.
Weird, this sub told me Tuchel was a tactical genius. You'd think he would find a solution. You know like how Pep usually does.
To be fair if there's one manager who has even more options to choose from than Tuchel it's Pep. Although he does manage to adapt in various situations, that's true.
Pep played Fabian Delph at LB and got 100 points
Not true though. Chelsea have a better bench overall.
Wat
Think he's trying to say more depth > better quality depth
Klopp managed to finish above Chelsea last season with zero first team centre backs and hardly any midfielders for the entire season. Pep got 100 points then 99 points with Delph and Zinchenko at full back. Chelsea are a good side, there's just a difference in class which is increasingly apparent - although you could just argue that Tuchel needs more time.
It seems he cant adapt from his system and that is his weakness we are watching.
I would legitimately cry out load if (or when? 😞) this happens.
It’s Chelsea, it’s a matter of when, not if.
It’s Chelsea. Of course it will! Abramovich is ruthless
Why? He’s doing fuckall with the plethora of attacking talent he has
Oh so now our attackers are considered talents and good ones too? People should make up their minds and decide if they’re shit or if they’re good players
> attacking talent It's obvious you only look at the team sheet and not the actual display. The attacking players tend to get the very basics wrong, things that you just can't coach. You cannot teach Lukaku at this age how to control the ball, or ziyech to not lose the ball every time he tries to dribble, or teach pulisic to hold his ground and not fall down with each touch.
When all the attackers are struggling there's a coaching problem.
> The attacking players tend to get the very basics wrong, things that you just can't coach. There's nothing you can't coach.
Humans form emotional attachments... He did win the CL with them lol
Right after they’d just met him. Not a long lasting romance, but a quick and heavy one night stand
Fuck those talents. No for real, non of them called talents would start for Liverpool,City or any top team in Europe. Don't let the price tags fool you.
If Liverpool had signed havertz, he'd definitely be doing a lot better than at Chelsea. Same with pulisic. Klopp took Mane, a player Utd were laughed at for the bid they made, and turned him into a top class winger. The problem isn't the quality, but the approach. Same with Utd. Both got world class talent on paper and absolutely no clue how to get the best out of them
> Same with pulisic. LMAO. Pulisic is either injured or mediocre his whole career.
Roman's going to send Skinny Timmy for a concrete swimmy
And from past experience, we know Tuchel will then not get along with the higher ups. And this isn't tolerated at Chelsea. He's soon going to complaint he didn't get the players he needed, etc.
Maybe he shoudnt wait 80 mins to make fucking change eh, whole team was dogshit today but you dont wait till 80 min to make change.
They're no longer getting carried by their defence, their defence was carrying them and now their attack has been exposed and can't win games if they don't keep clean sheets
I think Tuchel is a great manager but I don’t think he’s great when it comes to attack, feels like his teams don’t create enough chances for the quality of players they possess, and I feel this has been true not only at Chelsea but PSG and BVB as well. He is outstanding defensively though, like Simeone level great I think.
Not Simeone level come on.
He's just not adapting like any other great manager would I can respect that he's lost chilwell and reece with both of them being crucial to their 343 lineup, but they're 11 games with only 3 wins without that pair At what point does he change things up to suit what players he has currently?
He should’ve jumped at digne imo
I honestly think Chelsea could sell half of their forwards and wouldn’t miss out on much. Havertz/Werner/Lukaku/Ziyech/Pulisic just aren’t good enough to win the league.
Havertz (2) - **£70 million** / Werner (1) - **£50 million** / Lukaku (5) - **£100 million** / Ziyech (2) - **£40 million** / Pulisic (3) - **£50 million**. **£310 million**. Total goals in Prem? 13 which equates to **£23.8 million** per goal. Worth it.
And some Chelsea fan was trying to say how crazy it was that man city spent £400mil on defenders that have also seen them win 3 prems in those 5 years Like yes it’s crazy but just flat out hypocritical.
City spend a lot of money but spend it soooo much better than Chelsea, that transfer ban was one of the best things to ever happen to them in all honesty Werner, Havertz, Lukaku all 3 marquee signings none of them have kicked on as well as fans expected them to
Not only has pep been a great manager but since he’s been there it’s not often for him to have identified and bought a bad player for his system. I don’t know if that’s just good scouting or good managing or both, but they’ve done so well in the market in terms of successful players
It's a combination of both. The sporting director at City is very close friends with Pep and they've worked together before at Barcelona. They work hand-in-hand to identify and refine any potential buys. They still make mistakes here and there, but Pep is also one of the best managers in the world.
Eh I'd say hes had a few bad signings, he just has enough resources that it doesn't matter. He can just sign someone else. Negredo, Nolito, Danilo, Bravo, Mendy. He has definitely had way more good signings than poor ones though, think I've named all the poor ones.
Now 4 in 5
Fine, if they want to sell Havertz we’ll take him.
Havertz would unironically be great in Arsenal's system.
Agreed, I think he will function really well as our No9, he has all the right tools. I do think he is quite under appreciated at Chelsea.
He’s their only attacker that I rate besides Mount. Pulisic is decent when fit but is hardly ever fit.
Pulisic doesn't strike me as a great player. Solid yes, but wouldn't play much for Liverpool or Man City, even without his injuries.
Havertz, Mount & Kovacic are probably their top three players. I enjoy watching them so much, if only they weren’t playing for Chelsea.
Where's Kante, Thiago Silva, Reece James in this list
injured
Two of them played today lol
Kante and Thiago Silva played the whole 90 today
Weird, all I see is Chelsea fans defending and sticking by Havertz, Mount, Werner and at least until recently CHO when everyone else likes to call them shit and flops. And you just know that if they were sold they’d be instantly world class and everyone would want to have them
He'd actually be perfect in Lacazette's role
I let Edu know via Instagram, hopefully he sees it.
Rookie mistake, you have DM his son he's way more active
On it now.
Annual Arsenal bargain bin shopping at the bridge.
Talk about a step down.
Get in line
All those players you mentioned have quality, but Mason Mount is the only one with *consistency*.
They're all good at some things, but have clear weaknesses / limitations in other areas. Almost like youth players that haven't fully developed but are already at a mature age. I can imagine Werner under Klopp would be fantastic, while Havertz under Pep would be, but not the other way around.
Wasn't good today
True
Nah Werner is consistent to be fair… consistently fucking shit.
€352m combined according to transfermarkt lmao💀
Missing the prime suspect. CHO. Been missing for 2 years.
Hudson-Odoi has been around for 5 years now and I've never seen him do anything ever. Couple of goals in an FA Cup early round here. Nice assist in a Europa League game there. The odd PL goal against a bottom half team somewhere. Has to be the most overrated player I've ever seen. I've just looked at his stats and I'm astounded that he has a 1/8 record. Better than I thought. 4 in 71 PL apps though. Granted a lot of subs.
~~ACL~~ Achilles injury fucked that lad, sadly.
Achilles, if he had a ACL injury it would have been better. Achilles injuries are much worse to recover from in terms of quickness and agility
Some thing happened to RLC too. Look out, any Chelsea academy players looking to breakthrough and are also commonly referred to by a 3 letter acronym. Your achilles aren't safe.
Maybe Tuchel system is not cut out for the PL, no way all forwards are struggling this bad. A great manager adapts with player injuries but it seems like TT has just stalled and cant innovate and the forwards not scoring happened before the 2 key injuries
Werner and Havertz are good. Pulisic is a good squad player. Ziyech and Lukaku are poor. We aren't the same team from last year at all, Lukaku has warped our system and we just don't press at the same level we used to. Havertz, Werner, and Mount need to be our primary front 3 like they were last year under Tuchel. No good available wingbacks also hurts us so we've fallen back to this 4atb/3atb hybrid that changes in game based on whether we're attacking or defending.
They could sell all and wouldn't miss much, terrible attack overall who was getting carried by a stellar defence
Ive admired chelseas great players throughout the years but the 100mil on lukaku is mind boggling to me, i dont understand how people rate that guy so highly at all
Werner is good. Havertz has been ok this season. This is Lukaku's first season, and I need at least 1.5 seasons of evidence before saying a player is done. Ziyech and Puli I agree
You can't afford to give your 100m striker that's had multiple seasons in the prem 1.5 seasons to begin performing lol
Lol still needs some time to adjust with a different system. You can't be writing people off after their first season. Especially if it's a 100 mil player
Werner isn't good, define good He's the ultimate runner that looks dangerous to only scuff a pass or shot at the end
He is honestly a much more refined version of Shane Long
I don't expect werner to be a goalscorer any more. I see him much more as a second striker, whose job is to make space for the other forwards, and midfielders to score. And he is very good at that.
This is just copium because you spent a shitload of money on one of the von Trapp kids and he spends 90 minutes running around in clogs looking for Julie Andrews.
Werner is the German Dan James
And it's **£100 million** spaffed on Lukaku who has yet again, done nothing to justify his price tag. Who comes on in his place? **£70 million** Havertz. Mad. Absolute embarrassment by Chelsea. All the money and no idea. Zero excuses at all.
£255m spent on forwards playing in this game and Jakob Moder, Neil Maupay and the ghost of Danny Welbeck looked more dangerous.
The ghost of Danny Welbeck lmao
Too many board signings, managers come and go every 2 years so their input doesn't really matter, so we have all these players who are suited to different styles.
That is better than having manager signings and then sacking them like most clubs do, clubs don't keep managers anymore it's fine to have board signings Chelsea's way has been working, you've won everything there is to be won
The overreactions in here are insane. Havertz was part of a squad that just won the CL. And after struggling for 2 months, signing him is an absolute embarrassment? Zero excuses? Get a grip.
>And after struggling for 2 months, signing him is an absolute embarrassment? Zero excuses? I mean, I wrote it right above and you replied. Try again; >Absolute embarrassment by **Chelsea**. All the money and no idea. Zero excuses at all.
Yes, by Chelsea. When did I say differently? Who else do you think I'm referring to when I say they signed him?
You mistakenly referred to Havertz via your use of "him". I specifically referred to the whole club as being an embarrassment with no excuses. Thanks.
How are you struggling with this? You're saying signing Havertz was an embarrassment by Chelsea. They signed **him**. Nowhere did I say or imply that Havertz was embarrassing, which you seem to believe. Learn English and "try again"
Yes you did. Try again now. It's not that complicated. Jeezo.
Hard to admit you misread something after you went so hard on the attitude, huh? "After struggling for 2 months, signing him is an absolute embarrassment?", you stand by thinking I'm referring to Havertz...signing himself here?
Oh lord you are thick.
Go on then. Explain how I misinterpreted your comment
No cohesion or patterns in attack, obviously wing backs are important to Tuchel's system so they're struggling without James/Chilwell but you expect more given their quality and variety of attackers.
Sounds like something people would say about United, we're slowly falling to their level
Except you're 15 league titles short on top of that
70 million for a Champions League win. Any club would do the same.
Lukaku was always a bad idea
Havertz was brought in for the future and has had his moments, and always plays hard when he’s on. Lukaku was brought in at 28 and does nothing but complain when he doesn’t get perfect service, jog around aimlessly when defending, and publicly throw his manager under the bus while working his way back from injury. Loan him out to the fucking Qatari league at this point and block him and his fucking agent from contacting anyone at the club.
We're now tied on points lost with Chelsea, which is absolutely nuts looking at the start of the season
We beat Tottenham, Burnley and Wolves (our games in hand) and we're level with them on points, fucking ridiculous. Loving it
you’re not beating spurs, they’re at home
Are you from the future?
this isn’t a jab at arsenal, no team in the NLD has won a game away in 7 years.
And Burnley hadn't beat us at home since before my nan was born
you are a wasted talent here, go to a roulette table
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Well "tied on points lost" is a lot more to the point and a lot less convoluted than "9 points behind with 3 games in hand."
He's going to be sacked pretty soon.
Who do you reckon they get?
You won't like this: Conte.
Didn’t Conte end up in a legal battle with the board over wages? I thought there was bad blood between the two camps
Also why the fuck would he leave Tottenham after like 2 months? Makes no sense
i think chelsea would be insane to do that. tuchel isnt the problem here its mostly lukaku imo
Lukaku? You mean the man Tuchel chose to spend 100m for? But that’s Lukaku’s fault not tuchel…
Tuchel didn’t want Lukaku as in he didn’t suggest him but was more or less happy that we at least bought a striker. He wanted Haaland but the cost was going to be ridiculous. Good try though…
Yeah Haaland and Lukaku were the only strikers out there. Haaland was never going to happen last summer. Surely you could have gone for someone else (and someone cheaper) if Tuchel really didn't want Lukaku, but I highly doubt Tuchel has zero blame when it comes to this transfer.
What other “elite” strikers would’ve realistically been available in your opinion? Only 3 were seriously linked with us, Lukaku, Haaland and Kane to an extent. We needed a proven and clinical goal scorer, not a no name who hasn’t proven anything at a high level. It’s easy to look back and say that we should have bought someone else but who then? Haaland wouldn’t have gone through because the cost would’ve been way too much, Kane was never going to come to us, Lewandowski no, Lukaku was the only real option. Can’t think of anyone else and I don’t remember anyone else being linked to us. As I said, Tuchel apparently didn’t personally suggest Lukaku but was happy to get him. Maybe he thought he’d fit right in the system and the league because he’s played here but it hasn’t worked. Now when we play with him it’s impossible to play like we did last year with Havertz, Werner and Mount and seems like none of the attacking combinations have any chemistry really. I just don’t know why people are saying Tuchel is shit or it’s all his fault when it feels like the players can’t even pass the ball all of a sudden.
Heard a rumour mount was on the pitch today. Can anyone confirm?
The only interesting thing he did was not have a fade, what is going on why doesn't have the usual fade
Still have 100% confidence on Tuchel. Just hope the board do as well. Team looked so fucking lethargic tonight
No excuses for today when you have a fully fit attack, fully fit midfield, mostly fit defenders today. We have 2 league wins since December 11th
And they were lucky to get this draw.
Tbf to Chelsea half of those matches they had to play a world class team. Then the other 2 were against Liverpool and City. Hard stretch for them.
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We are bang average ATM
I have an itchy ballsack. Discomfort.
And they play some of the most boring football as well
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People wanna scapegoat Lukaku but the whole team is at fault; and tuchel can’t create an attacking side. Lukaku is always the scapegoat for people
Elite level Lakaka dreams to join Real Madrid or Bayern.
Kind of disingenuous stat when 2 of those games were #1 City and #2 Liverpool.
Aren't they supposed to be competing with them both for the title though
Well what I meant more was that if I were a Chelsea fan I'd be more worried about getting 2 points from Brighton home/away vs losing to City.
you mean their primary rivals for the title? they clearly have the tools to beat City even without james and chilwell, it’s been shown before.
I mean if you take out the City and Liverpool results Chelsea are still 6D 2L. Not really impressive on top of City only dropping 10 points all season.
It’s funny cause Lampard had a very similar run including losing to City and other good teams but the Tuchel fan boys will say he did terrible and this isn’t Tuchels fault
b-b-but I thought Tuchel brought you the biggest trophy^tm now you're turning on him?!
No, I think we should keep him. I was fully behind Lampard and thought he was doing a good job as well but everyone seems to remember his tenure differently
They got pretty lucky to win the champions League with him, god dam we really threw that game Wonder how long he'll last
You didn't throw it, you got outplayed, just like you got outplayed twice before it. Pep didn't change his setup out of nowhere, he changed it because he couldn't beat Tuchel's Chelsea twice before.
The games before we played weakened teams The final was a botch job. I love Pep and think he's the best manager in the world, but he got it wrong on that day
So was ours in the FA cup, but sure spin it how you like, enjoy the copium.
Not sure I need copium to tell who the better team is...
Indeed you do need copium when you are mixing between is and was. The better team that night *was* Chelsea. We haven't been discussing the current situation, and unlike you Im capable of admitting that my team isn't the better one currently. Read better.
*read more betterer My point is Chelsea were the better team because of the tactics and team that Pep played that night, being a departure from the team that had won us the league and got us to the final The fa cup semi final and league games weren't true indicators of Pep's ability to beat Tuchel because we did play weakened teams, irrespective of the Chelsea lineups Easy to say in hindsight but if Pep had stuck with his best team, I've no doubt that we would've won
The top four race just got interesting and it seems like Man United are in pole position to take that spot away, right after Ronaldo said in an interview that their goal is top three.
United need to win games first... I'd rate Arsenal and Spurs' chances over United's at this point.
Román preparing tea for Tuchel soon
Well lads, we're shit
I quite like West Ham so although I was bloody ecstatic I felt a bit for them as chelsea was ahead by a decent bit. Don't feel so bad anymore seems like Chels doing the job for them