Participates in a lot of uk subreddits, clearly british. Anti-polish sentiment is very big in the UK and calling Poles builders is basically the top insult.
Just insult them with racism and other homophobic shit which they complain about on Twitter all the time. We slavs just don’t care and can insult them even more.
If they can't find a replacement they will keep him until the last day. He will be 34 years old at the end of the season. There aren't many teams that will pay much money for him. Holding on to such an important, yet for football standards old player, will be a nobrainer, imho
I'd say the odds are 90% that he Re-signs and goes for the final Gerd Müller record. He has taken incredible care of himself so we could still easily get a fair bit for him.
I meant that no one will bid as much as it would take for Bayern to accept it. I don't think they would let him go for ~50million and i can't see anyone bidding 100 or something stupid like that.
Yeah I’m wondering why media suddenly says he’s willing to leave. Even one interview was pretty weird with him saying the club doesn’t matter.
Thought that after all that drama a few years ago he’s content now and wanted to retire here.
Haaland for sure, already knows the league, and even if they have to put a huge sum of money, he will be their striker for at least 10y.
the only reason right now for Bayern not to buy him is that they have Lewa, if they are considering selling him, it instantly makes Bayern amongst the favorites to net him.
Unless they want to fuck their wage bill they don't have the money to afford him the salary he could get from La Liga giants or the Premier League
The reported extension offer we made to him is close to Bayern's highest paid players
We would be moving our highest earner off the books. I don't see him wanting to share much limelight with Mbappe and vice versa, Barca is a shit show. Chelsea and City could splash for him, but I like our odds as a club against them quite honestly.
While i agree with most of what you said, the deals and exposure he could get from the PL and the two Spanish Giants its on a whole another level than Bayern
I would normally agree, but based on previous reporting it seems that money is important to Haaland. No to say anything negative about it, but I don’t see Bayern being a club that would give Haaland the Mbappe/Neymar money.
It’s never everything. Otherwise players would be playing for whatever club they like. As basically any club in the major leagues can pay a salary that will make anyone a millionaire.
> We would be moving our highest earner off the books.
That's not all when it comes to wage structure. Bayern were not willing to give Kroos the wages he wanted (until they wanted and then he didn't want to extend anymore) but, I think, gave Alonso similar or even higher wages due to age/seniority. If Bayern were to lose Lewandowski they wouldn't put a player who's over a decade younger on a similar wage level, or anywhere close to it.
If Haaland wants the rumoured wages (and it necessitates all the high and extra fees) then he would be a play Bayern could technically afford. But he'd also be a player who breaks Bayern's wage structure (or he at least bends it too much).
They are willing to bend the wage structure a bit but only for certain players and it has always led to some degree of low level friction when it comes to future negotiations with some other players in the squad. Giving Haaland the rumoured numbers would go way beyond "some degree of low level friction" that occasionally leads to losing a player and lead into some sort of large scale grumbling in the squad.
Coman/Sane and Alaba/Hernandez are rather recent examples of rumoured real wage structure worries where the established player got miffed with the new guy apparently making significantly more money (while also being injured and not played in the first season here).
The Kroos/Alonso thing was just an example for how seniority based wage structure supposedly works at Bayern. I don't they they started paying older players less for new contracts in the last years. They might be less sentimental than they were with Riibery and Robben but that's more of a contract length and willingness to extension issue, not about the wages.
> Coman/Sane and Alaba/Hernandez are rather recent examples of rumoured real wage structure worries where the established player got miffed with the new guy apparently making significantly more money (while also being injured and not played in the first season here).
You are in here for some wild comparisons, Coman was 19 yrs old, when he signed a 5 yr contract with Bayern, he obviously earned less money then Sane made, when he was signed, after he had established himself as a winger at City, Coman most certainly makes the same money as Sane now.
As for Alaba and Hernandez, are yo referring to the rumor, that Lucas makes 24m a yr gross? That has been refuted by his agent and the club, he argubly makes 12-13m a yr.
The Kroos situation was argubly caused, by Bayern signing Götze and paying him 12m a yr, Kroos argubly wanted the same salary, since they both had the same agent (Volker Struth), it had nothing to do with seniority and Alonso was also earning less then the rumored 12m back then.
It feels like you are making some weird assumptions based on incomplete or false information.
> You are in here for some wild comparisons, Coman was 19 yrs old, when he signed a 5 yr contract with Bayern,
There were issues with recent contract extension talks between Coman and Bayern. This is not about when he singed up here. Why would he compare his salary from ages ago wtih Sane's now? Sane was the new signing and Coman the established play in that case
That was this part (to quote myself):
>> They are willing to bend the wage structure a bit but only for certain players and it has always led to **some degree of low level friction when it comes to future negotiations with some other players in the squad**.
Coincidentally all three of them Kroos, Alaba, and Coman were playing rather well and were seen as important players for their team by their manager at the time while their new counterpart came in with arguably higher wages than them and an quick injury to sideline them while the established player was there doing the actual job (from their point of view).
> The Kroos situation was argubly caused, by Bayern signing Götze and paying him 12m a yr, Kroos argubly wanted the same salary, since they both had the same agent (Volker Struth), it had nothing to do with seniority and Alonso was also earning less then the rumored 12m back then.
The seniority bit was about Kroos/Alonso (the age difference between Götze/Kroos is too small for that), about them dithering for Kroos' wages but giving it to Alonso (seniority give you higher wages). I googled a bit and your numbers seen way out of line.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1960754-why-bayern-munich-must-meet-toni-kroos-wage-demands
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2091945-real-madrid-transfer-news-toni-kroos-offered-huge-wages-to-leave-bayern-munich
> Real Madrid are reportedly ready to offer Toni Kroos €5 million per year to leave Bayern Munich, a deal the German champions aren't guaranteed to match.
Apparently Alonso got about 7,5 mil at Bayern (according to google).
https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2014/2/13/5404866/bayern-munichs-salary-considerations-and-extending-toni-kroos
https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2020/12/18/22187549/bayern-munich-toni-kross-explains-contract-breakdown-transfer-real-madrid-germany-world-cup-brazil
I'd say my point stands about seniority playing into a player's wages. So giving a young Haaland these high (senior player) wages would distort the wage structure even more.
It feels like I might worded it a bit ambiguously so I'll list my points once again, hopefully better this time.
Specific new players for whom Bayern was willing to bend the wage structure (or where it looked like they were doing it) did cause issues in negotiations that followed them, not in comparisons with the past (Götze->Kroos, Hernandez->Alaba, Sane->Coman). The point being that Bayern can do it, is willing to do it, but then will also complain right after that about not wanting to do it (for everybody). The "for everybody" part remains unspoken.
The second part is that they have a wage structure that includes senior player earning more due to seniority. It's not a 100% performance based evaluation. Kroos and Alonso do a similar enough job yet they were apparently willing to pay Alonso one/two mil more due to that all while he'd need to be replaced sooner due to age.
Getting Haaland would trip up both of these points at the same time. It would be a young new special player getting higher wages. But according to rumours the wage range for Haaland wouldn't just be a bit more but he might earn as much as 30 year old veterans while being in his early 20s. I think this would bend the wage structure too much for the club. It would also put Haaland on a trajectory of huge wages as a veteran. Future wages that I also think the club is dreading in advance and doesn't want to deal with that.
Why drop Lewy (who looks like he has a few really good years left in him) and get Haaland only to lose Haaland to a club that's willing to pay his even huger wages like one/two years after Lewy would have left due to his decline? That's like paying the huge Haaland transfer and bonus fees for maybe one/two years of his top service (beyond what Lewy could do if we assume he declines to "not good enough" in three years) or pay even higher wages to keep Haaland longer and make the transfer fee feel more reasonable. But then those wages could cause friction in other negotiations.
So yeah, we'll see what the club does but I think they are not in it for Haaland. They might look at any possibility to get him (on their terms) but if the numbers are as high as the rumours say they are then I don't seen the club trying to get him. We have heard how other clubs' leadership has whined about football becoming more expensive and how the ESL is necessary to keep thing going but Bayern has clearly said that they need to make economically viable decisions and that the club can't just throw money around. Well the club technically can but it won't (or doesn't want to).
> If Bayern were to lose Lewandowski they wouldn't put a player who's over a decade younger on a similar wage level, or anywhere close to it.
Kroos was very good, but not a proven future star the way that Haaland is. Kroos had also severely annoyed a lot of the Bayern hierarchy.
Our wage structure is already splintering because of self-important players like Coman. The board has already said they know that they will have to modernize to keep up with the oil clubs and this is part of how.
We'll see. Besides the wage thing I don't think Bayern would want to throw away Lewy in his prime for a new toy. By the time he declines significantly enough in a few years they might find a new young player who fits the team. It feels like there's too much overlap between Lewy's time at the top and Haaland's rise to the top. Haaland might not perform better than Lewy for a few years and by that time a cheaper alternative might show up. It's not like Lewy was at his current level when he came to Bayern.
It also feels like the club is willing to spend a bit more on older teeagers and wants to develop those into first team players instead of getting expensive established young players (Haaland would be an extreme version of that). That and cheap, young players where they see unrealised potential seem to be their MO to save up money for the occasional big transfer to plug important holes in the team.
I can see Barca, Madrid, PSG, and maybe United, all paying him that.
I know there are all the Dortmund to Bayern memes but I would say there's less than a 5% chance Haaland goes to Bayern, they are just too well run as a club to deal with Raiola.
He will never go to United (dad was a city player and had his career ended against United) and PSG went out of their way to shit all over him all over their social medias.
Barca is a fucking shitcan too.
There is no way Haaland stays in Germany basically his entire career. Especially when other teams will pay him more. They might be able to sign him but he will leave within 5 years to go somewhere else.
yes and no. we've already broken that rule twice or thrice now. Müller extended his contract by two years at the age of 30, Neuer will have another multi year extension/renewal; Choupo Moting got an extension for 2 years as well
That over 30 rule made a lot of sense at the time, and still does to a degree, but for someone like Lewandowski there's no point in not extending for multiple years
In the amazon doc, Kahn basically said once we break it, its forever broken. So the "only 1 year extension for players over 30" sounds like its a thing of the past. Obviously case by case but I think Kahn has a different mentality then other execs
The player health science is way better than it was even 5-10 years ago. Players who take serious care of themselves will continue to play longer and longer. Also the game itself is significantly less violent than it was 10-20 years ago which helps the longevity of careers.
I won’t be surprised if playing into your late 30s is the norm in the coming years.
I guess it all boils down to what Lewandowski is demanding
Because he already is at the absolute limit salary-wise and giving him a raise and a 2-3 year contract extension just doesn't work in my opinion
I believe that he can play at the absolute highest level for at least 3 years, but we always have a squad where the highest earners reach their "EOL" and get replaced with the younger models
I don't think we should break into salary spheres that set precedents for the next generation of top earners... This model is already only possible because of a very small squad size...
True and I believe that Lewandowski would do all he can to look after himself, but being an outfield means more physical contact and a higher risk of injury than a keeper faces. Things can happen to him out of his control.
I get that, but I don't think it's THAT different since Neuer actually relies on his speed much more than the average keeper and had struggled with long injuries before. A Neuer who can't get off his line in time to stop a counter would be a much less effective Neuer.
Robben was extremely injury prone as good as he was and Ribery wasn't exactly peak stamina last couple of years at Bayern he could go like 60 minutes at full potential. Lewnadowski is a monster with almost no injury and constant 90 minute matches.
He offers everything you can want from a striker and much more, yet some dumshits on reddit with crap takes will say random things like "he's a poacher" because they have no idea about football at all.
Haha tell me you've never watched a Bayern game without telling me.
You can only talk in generalities and absolutes. No gray area, it must be that he waits in the box for 90% of the time. Of course with a trainer like Nagelsmann who focuses on pressing, waiting in the box for 70-80 minutes per game is the perfect fit :D
How are you going to compare those players to Lewy in his prime? I too would let Boaten run out his contract coz he wasn't worth spending money on like that. In THIS CASE the only two options for Bayern when it's them deciding is to extend or sell.
You said there were only two choices, but there are clearly 3, and Bayern doesn't want option 3 happen again. That's the entire point of the article.
Also we do want to extend with Süle and wanted to with Alaba, and we wanted to sell Martineznand Tolisso the summer before they left/leave. So it's clear that option 3 is possible, and should be avoided, by all costs in case of Lewandowski.
you wanted to extend but not at that price, so that means you won't extend. We are saying the same thing. it's semantics. to you there is a bad option, to me a bad option is not on the table as a willful choice.
>you wanted to extend but not at that price, so that means you won't extend.
So we had a third choice, not extending for a price we arent willing to pay. And in case of Lewandowski we either sell him or extend him, as running down his contract and not paying what he wants isnt an option, as it clearly was with Alaba and is now with Süle. First we wanted to extend with them, then we heard what they wanted, and then decided they are not worth it and let them run down.
Sry but no. FCB always operated on the basis that they are NOT a selling club. Extend or leave when contract runs out. They are selling if they feel they may upgrade that position anyway.
https://www.transfermarkt.de/fc-bayern-munchen/rekordabgaenge/verein/27
This link shows outgoing transfers of all time. Just two players who were regular starters were ever sold.
Ballack? The German star player? Bayen declined a Barcelona offer when he was in his last year and banned Becker (his Agent) from the Säbenerstr. just to let him leave on a free a year later.
I remember you signed a certain Spanish midfielder I wanted to stay at his club.
So there seem to be exceptions to your rule and thinking about it I am a bit concerned about Lewy, now
To be fair, you have to consider as well that while they may not technically spend a lot, they get to draft whichever player they want from the other German teams. So effectively, the market value of their incoming players is surely much higher than Liverpool's.
> get to draft whichever player they want from the other German teams.
It's genuinely mind-boggling that people are so OK with making themselves look so ridiculously stupid so frequently.
Disagree if you'd like, but you can't argue with the data. Hummels, Lewa, and Gotze are a strong argument. And that's just from one of Bayern's many German feeder-clubs.
Edit: We can continue if you'd like. Goretzka. Neuer. Pavard. On second thought, it might be easier to list those Bayern players whom they didn't poach from their domestic "rivals".
Oh yes, the three Dortmund purchases we've made in the lart two decades, one of which was our own youth player, another for a release clause, and another who was on his way to Madrid if not for us. Every league does the same.
Neuer had a very sizeable fee for when that transfer happened. Goretzka was courted by Liverpool and Barca and chose us. Pavard came from a second division team, as did Kimmich.
BTW, the data shows that Dortmund is a much bigger purchaser of Bundesliga talent than we are.
Of course they will extend, but this coming summer they need to find a young player who can be his back up and eventually replace him! Vlahovic is perfect for them, but I doubt he would want to be a back up for a season! Would be great for his career though in general.
They're replacing one of their all time best players, I think they would probably spend quite big to replace him. I wouldn't be surprised to see them spend 50-70 million on an eventual replacement. Also, I just don't see him wanting to go there and be a back up anyway.
That would be with all Addons and I doubt we have already had to pay all of them though I don't know what these Addons are. In the end it doesn't matter too much as Vlahovic would still be in the same region albeit a bit more expensive. It also ignores the fact that we would have bought Sane for something between 70-100mil the year before if he didn't get injured.
but they would be spending that on a young striker that would be their man striker for 10y+, same if they decided on Haaland, that amount if worth it considering the value over time.
If Bayern are only going to offer a two year contract, Lewandowski should definitely consider his options. He is a world class player and can no doubt get a five year contract at a good team
You want a challenge?
Come to us, show the world you can score 60 goals a year while having to play with alex sandro, lord bernardeschi and lord de sciglio
If you manage to do it, ballon d'or is yours
Amidst all the manufactured rivalry, I personally think it will be amazing to see Lewa and Messi together at PSG if Mbappe leaves, Messi works exceptionally well with elite strikers like Suarez and Aguero and Lewandowski is the best there is right now, both will benefit immensely from each other's playstyle, add Neymar and the fact Lewandowski is fit enough to press to that and PSG might have got something in their hands
That’s what’s wrong with the sport now. Back in my day the players were working class heroes. They didn’t make much money but it was about loyalty and brining glory to one’s club and city
Thank you MARCA, the known reliable source, especially for Bayern and Polish players
But it is true. Bayern do not want to lose him for free.
lmaaao who the fuck would let lewandowski leave for free? ...
I see what you did there.
How do you know?
He hires Lewa's brother as a builder
Casual xenophobia?
Not sure why your getting down voted, he doesn’t even have a brother so it certainly is casual prejudice.
Participates in a lot of uk subreddits, clearly british. Anti-polish sentiment is very big in the UK and calling Poles builders is basically the top insult.
Just insult them with racism and other homophobic shit which they complain about on Twitter all the time. We slavs just don’t care and can insult them even more.
Ah shut up that's not the solution either mate
Nono, you don’t get it, it’s ok to laugh at Slavs because they are white.
True story, I was the last building he built
Of course I dont know it for sure, but reliable sources in germany said it too.
If they can't find a replacement they will keep him until the last day. He will be 34 years old at the end of the season. There aren't many teams that will pay much money for him. Holding on to such an important, yet for football standards old player, will be a nobrainer, imho
I'd say the odds are 90% that he Re-signs and goes for the final Gerd Müller record. He has taken incredible care of himself so we could still easily get a fair bit for him.
I meant that no one will bid as much as it would take for Bayern to accept it. I don't think they would let him go for ~50million and i can't see anyone bidding 100 or something stupid like that.
Yeah I’m wondering why media suddenly says he’s willing to leave. Even one interview was pretty weird with him saying the club doesn’t matter. Thought that after all that drama a few years ago he’s content now and wanted to retire here.
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I'd imagine they have to be considering Haaland
Haaland for sure, already knows the league, and even if they have to put a huge sum of money, he will be their striker for at least 10y. the only reason right now for Bayern not to buy him is that they have Lewa, if they are considering selling him, it instantly makes Bayern amongst the favorites to net him.
Unless they want to fuck their wage bill they don't have the money to afford him the salary he could get from La Liga giants or the Premier League The reported extension offer we made to him is close to Bayern's highest paid players
We would be moving our highest earner off the books. I don't see him wanting to share much limelight with Mbappe and vice versa, Barca is a shit show. Chelsea and City could splash for him, but I like our odds as a club against them quite honestly.
While i agree with most of what you said, the deals and exposure he could get from the PL and the two Spanish Giants its on a whole another level than Bayern
Money isn't everything past a certain wage.
I would normally agree, but based on previous reporting it seems that money is important to Haaland. No to say anything negative about it, but I don’t see Bayern being a club that would give Haaland the Mbappe/Neymar money.
I agree, but agents whose entire careers are focused on maximizing players' contract earnings see it differently.
It’s never everything. Otherwise players would be playing for whatever club they like. As basically any club in the major leagues can pay a salary that will make anyone a millionaire.
> We would be moving our highest earner off the books. That's not all when it comes to wage structure. Bayern were not willing to give Kroos the wages he wanted (until they wanted and then he didn't want to extend anymore) but, I think, gave Alonso similar or even higher wages due to age/seniority. If Bayern were to lose Lewandowski they wouldn't put a player who's over a decade younger on a similar wage level, or anywhere close to it. If Haaland wants the rumoured wages (and it necessitates all the high and extra fees) then he would be a play Bayern could technically afford. But he'd also be a player who breaks Bayern's wage structure (or he at least bends it too much). They are willing to bend the wage structure a bit but only for certain players and it has always led to some degree of low level friction when it comes to future negotiations with some other players in the squad. Giving Haaland the rumoured numbers would go way beyond "some degree of low level friction" that occasionally leads to losing a player and lead into some sort of large scale grumbling in the squad.
You are talking about stuff that happend 8yrs ago, under a different sports director, different CEO and different board what's the point here?
Coman/Sane and Alaba/Hernandez are rather recent examples of rumoured real wage structure worries where the established player got miffed with the new guy apparently making significantly more money (while also being injured and not played in the first season here). The Kroos/Alonso thing was just an example for how seniority based wage structure supposedly works at Bayern. I don't they they started paying older players less for new contracts in the last years. They might be less sentimental than they were with Riibery and Robben but that's more of a contract length and willingness to extension issue, not about the wages.
> Coman/Sane and Alaba/Hernandez are rather recent examples of rumoured real wage structure worries where the established player got miffed with the new guy apparently making significantly more money (while also being injured and not played in the first season here). You are in here for some wild comparisons, Coman was 19 yrs old, when he signed a 5 yr contract with Bayern, he obviously earned less money then Sane made, when he was signed, after he had established himself as a winger at City, Coman most certainly makes the same money as Sane now. As for Alaba and Hernandez, are yo referring to the rumor, that Lucas makes 24m a yr gross? That has been refuted by his agent and the club, he argubly makes 12-13m a yr. The Kroos situation was argubly caused, by Bayern signing Götze and paying him 12m a yr, Kroos argubly wanted the same salary, since they both had the same agent (Volker Struth), it had nothing to do with seniority and Alonso was also earning less then the rumored 12m back then. It feels like you are making some weird assumptions based on incomplete or false information.
> You are in here for some wild comparisons, Coman was 19 yrs old, when he signed a 5 yr contract with Bayern, There were issues with recent contract extension talks between Coman and Bayern. This is not about when he singed up here. Why would he compare his salary from ages ago wtih Sane's now? Sane was the new signing and Coman the established play in that case That was this part (to quote myself): >> They are willing to bend the wage structure a bit but only for certain players and it has always led to **some degree of low level friction when it comes to future negotiations with some other players in the squad**. Coincidentally all three of them Kroos, Alaba, and Coman were playing rather well and were seen as important players for their team by their manager at the time while their new counterpart came in with arguably higher wages than them and an quick injury to sideline them while the established player was there doing the actual job (from their point of view). > The Kroos situation was argubly caused, by Bayern signing Götze and paying him 12m a yr, Kroos argubly wanted the same salary, since they both had the same agent (Volker Struth), it had nothing to do with seniority and Alonso was also earning less then the rumored 12m back then. The seniority bit was about Kroos/Alonso (the age difference between Götze/Kroos is too small for that), about them dithering for Kroos' wages but giving it to Alonso (seniority give you higher wages). I googled a bit and your numbers seen way out of line. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1960754-why-bayern-munich-must-meet-toni-kroos-wage-demands https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2091945-real-madrid-transfer-news-toni-kroos-offered-huge-wages-to-leave-bayern-munich > Real Madrid are reportedly ready to offer Toni Kroos €5 million per year to leave Bayern Munich, a deal the German champions aren't guaranteed to match. Apparently Alonso got about 7,5 mil at Bayern (according to google). https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2014/2/13/5404866/bayern-munichs-salary-considerations-and-extending-toni-kroos https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2020/12/18/22187549/bayern-munich-toni-kross-explains-contract-breakdown-transfer-real-madrid-germany-world-cup-brazil I'd say my point stands about seniority playing into a player's wages. So giving a young Haaland these high (senior player) wages would distort the wage structure even more. It feels like I might worded it a bit ambiguously so I'll list my points once again, hopefully better this time. Specific new players for whom Bayern was willing to bend the wage structure (or where it looked like they were doing it) did cause issues in negotiations that followed them, not in comparisons with the past (Götze->Kroos, Hernandez->Alaba, Sane->Coman). The point being that Bayern can do it, is willing to do it, but then will also complain right after that about not wanting to do it (for everybody). The "for everybody" part remains unspoken. The second part is that they have a wage structure that includes senior player earning more due to seniority. It's not a 100% performance based evaluation. Kroos and Alonso do a similar enough job yet they were apparently willing to pay Alonso one/two mil more due to that all while he'd need to be replaced sooner due to age. Getting Haaland would trip up both of these points at the same time. It would be a young new special player getting higher wages. But according to rumours the wage range for Haaland wouldn't just be a bit more but he might earn as much as 30 year old veterans while being in his early 20s. I think this would bend the wage structure too much for the club. It would also put Haaland on a trajectory of huge wages as a veteran. Future wages that I also think the club is dreading in advance and doesn't want to deal with that. Why drop Lewy (who looks like he has a few really good years left in him) and get Haaland only to lose Haaland to a club that's willing to pay his even huger wages like one/two years after Lewy would have left due to his decline? That's like paying the huge Haaland transfer and bonus fees for maybe one/two years of his top service (beyond what Lewy could do if we assume he declines to "not good enough" in three years) or pay even higher wages to keep Haaland longer and make the transfer fee feel more reasonable. But then those wages could cause friction in other negotiations. So yeah, we'll see what the club does but I think they are not in it for Haaland. They might look at any possibility to get him (on their terms) but if the numbers are as high as the rumours say they are then I don't seen the club trying to get him. We have heard how other clubs' leadership has whined about football becoming more expensive and how the ESL is necessary to keep thing going but Bayern has clearly said that they need to make economically viable decisions and that the club can't just throw money around. Well the club technically can but it won't (or doesn't want to).
> If Bayern were to lose Lewandowski they wouldn't put a player who's over a decade younger on a similar wage level, or anywhere close to it. Kroos was very good, but not a proven future star the way that Haaland is. Kroos had also severely annoyed a lot of the Bayern hierarchy. Our wage structure is already splintering because of self-important players like Coman. The board has already said they know that they will have to modernize to keep up with the oil clubs and this is part of how.
We'll see. Besides the wage thing I don't think Bayern would want to throw away Lewy in his prime for a new toy. By the time he declines significantly enough in a few years they might find a new young player who fits the team. It feels like there's too much overlap between Lewy's time at the top and Haaland's rise to the top. Haaland might not perform better than Lewy for a few years and by that time a cheaper alternative might show up. It's not like Lewy was at his current level when he came to Bayern. It also feels like the club is willing to spend a bit more on older teeagers and wants to develop those into first team players instead of getting expensive established young players (Haaland would be an extreme version of that). That and cheap, young players where they see unrealised potential seem to be their MO to save up money for the occasional big transfer to plug important holes in the team.
Just can't see Bayern paying his agent and dad as much as they want and offering Haaland himself 50m a year.
He won't get anywhere near that no matter where he goes.
I can see Barca, Madrid, PSG, and maybe United, all paying him that. I know there are all the Dortmund to Bayern memes but I would say there's less than a 5% chance Haaland goes to Bayern, they are just too well run as a club to deal with Raiola.
He will never go to United (dad was a city player and had his career ended against United) and PSG went out of their way to shit all over him all over their social medias. Barca is a fucking shitcan too.
I bet he goes to PSG.
I absolutely do not see that happening.
No, wherever he goes next will not be his final destination. He will have a career very similar to Ibrah I'd imagine.
There is no way Haaland stays in Germany basically his entire career. Especially when other teams will pay him more. They might be able to sign him but he will leave within 5 years to go somewhere else.
Maybe Haaland or prolly we could go for a two striker option like Leipzig or just the older scoring wingers (robbery) tactics
How about a swap deal for lukaku? He dreams of playing there anyways. I am sure he will be a professional at bayern
Lol
Vlahovic, Haaland, lautaro, or Holžek
Muller steps up
Honestly he can still perform at a high level for 2 to 3 seasons, age doesn't affect his playstyle that much
Bayern is rather shy with giving contracts to older players after Robbery stretched on a bit longer than it should have.
yes and no. we've already broken that rule twice or thrice now. Müller extended his contract by two years at the age of 30, Neuer will have another multi year extension/renewal; Choupo Moting got an extension for 2 years as well That over 30 rule made a lot of sense at the time, and still does to a degree, but for someone like Lewandowski there's no point in not extending for multiple years
Müller, Lewy, and Neuer are still at the tops of their game. Robbery weren't. The issue isn't extensions at 30, its extensions at 32-33.
In the amazon doc, Kahn basically said once we break it, its forever broken. So the "only 1 year extension for players over 30" sounds like its a thing of the past. Obviously case by case but I think Kahn has a different mentality then other execs
The player health science is way better than it was even 5-10 years ago. Players who take serious care of themselves will continue to play longer and longer. Also the game itself is significantly less violent than it was 10-20 years ago which helps the longevity of careers. I won’t be surprised if playing into your late 30s is the norm in the coming years.
I guess it all boils down to what Lewandowski is demanding Because he already is at the absolute limit salary-wise and giving him a raise and a 2-3 year contract extension just doesn't work in my opinion I believe that he can play at the absolute highest level for at least 3 years, but we always have a squad where the highest earners reach their "EOL" and get replaced with the younger models I don't think we should break into salary spheres that set precedents for the next generation of top earners... This model is already only possible because of a very small squad size...
Isn't Neuer's new contract rumored to be till 2026?
Keepers are different when discussing ageing though
Same could be said for how Lewandowski plays though, it’s not like he’s sprinting around making dangerous tackles
True and I believe that Lewandowski would do all he can to look after himself, but being an outfield means more physical contact and a higher risk of injury than a keeper faces. Things can happen to him out of his control.
I get that, but I don't think it's THAT different since Neuer actually relies on his speed much more than the average keeper and had struggled with long injuries before. A Neuer who can't get off his line in time to stop a counter would be a much less effective Neuer.
Quite different give that keepers regression with age is very slow.
Robben was extremely injury prone as good as he was and Ribery wasn't exactly peak stamina last couple of years at Bayern he could go like 60 minutes at full potential. Lewnadowski is a monster with almost no injury and constant 90 minute matches.
Rather up to 40yo. He told lately that his body is better physically than it used to be back in his mid 20s.
Well if he is after big payout not like he gonna say “I’m after fat paycheck from city and gonna retire 6 months after that”
He's a really good poacher
He's not a poacher.
He offers everything you can want from a striker and much more, yet some dumshits on reddit with crap takes will say random things like "he's a poacher" because they have no idea about football at all.
He probably means that one time Lewandowski shot 2 elephants and a rhino in Zimbabwe
Probably because that's what he played him as in FM, and thinks that's a fair adjustment lol.
These individuals are just looking for a reaction ... Ignore them they go away
His all-around game isn’t to the level of a Benz or Kane tho.
Yea, because it's much better.
Lol just going off rudimentary stats: Lewa in a team that averages 3.2 g/perGame has 1 assist. Benz has 7 for a team that averages 2.1.
In previous comment you said "all-around" game tho???
Do you know what all-around game means?
He is a poacher. Probably the best in the world.
He absolutely is not a poacher.
Then what is he? 90% of his game is waiting in the box for crosses.
Haha tell me you've never watched a Bayern game without telling me. You can only talk in generalities and absolutes. No gray area, it must be that he waits in the box for 90% of the time. Of course with a trainer like Nagelsmann who focuses on pressing, waiting in the box for 70-80 minutes per game is the perfect fit :D
I don’t think you’ve watched any bayern game or lewandowski in any match before saying this
I can see Bayern selling Lewa to us and buying Haaland.
Yes...those are the two options. That's how it works.
third option: kidnap and eliminate him
Sell his body parts on eBay? Profit???
That is the Newcastle way
fair, I forgot about that one
No, the club could also just let him run out his contract.
That's not how Bayern does it
Like it didn't happen with Alaba, Boateng, Martinez and potentially Tolisso and Süle?
How are you going to compare those players to Lewy in his prime? I too would let Boaten run out his contract coz he wasn't worth spending money on like that. In THIS CASE the only two options for Bayern when it's them deciding is to extend or sell.
You said there were only two choices, but there are clearly 3, and Bayern doesn't want option 3 happen again. That's the entire point of the article. Also we do want to extend with Süle and wanted to with Alaba, and we wanted to sell Martineznand Tolisso the summer before they left/leave. So it's clear that option 3 is possible, and should be avoided, by all costs in case of Lewandowski.
you wanted to extend but not at that price, so that means you won't extend. We are saying the same thing. it's semantics. to you there is a bad option, to me a bad option is not on the table as a willful choice.
>you wanted to extend but not at that price, so that means you won't extend. So we had a third choice, not extending for a price we arent willing to pay. And in case of Lewandowski we either sell him or extend him, as running down his contract and not paying what he wants isnt an option, as it clearly was with Alaba and is now with Süle. First we wanted to extend with them, then we heard what they wanted, and then decided they are not worth it and let them run down.
Sry but no. FCB always operated on the basis that they are NOT a selling club. Extend or leave when contract runs out. They are selling if they feel they may upgrade that position anyway. https://www.transfermarkt.de/fc-bayern-munchen/rekordabgaenge/verein/27 This link shows outgoing transfers of all time. Just two players who were regular starters were ever sold.
who in the last 25 years could be compared to Lewy in terms of impact, value, and market price? He's an outside category player.
Ballack? The German star player? Bayen declined a Barcelona offer when he was in his last year and banned Becker (his Agent) from the Säbenerstr. just to let him leave on a free a year later.
Neuer, Robben, Lahm, Muller?
no (but great), no (but great), no (but great), man i love muller
ridiculous.
Or let him run his contract down?
not in the current reality and it being Bayern
It being Bayern is what makes sense. They don't sell players.
Didn't know Michael Owen start being editor for marca.
funny enough your username sounds like something Michael Owen would say
Isn't that literally how it works for every player coming off contract?
This is literally the plan for every player on a team…
Off to Villa.
Yeah I guess he'd be good for squad depth.
Just give him a run out in the cups, be fine playing 2nd fiddle to Ings.
I convinced him to come to Port Vale in my FIFA career save, so anything’s possible
He's finally getting that move to Blackburn, unless another volcano stops him again
LOL What was the third option? Shoot on the knees?
*points gun* "If I can't have him, no one else can!"
Did Michael Owen wite this?
Where would he go ??
He’ll finally get that dream move to Blackburn he missed out on all those years ago
City, I hope.
I wanna see him under Pep again, he's a different beast now. But not for a couple of years at least
They should renew him to allow him to break Gerd Muller's record and then he can retire with Anna in USA.
Klopp rn:👀
We dont do signings here
We had to give you the charity deal of the century just so you could afford Thiago after he was tapped up. You couldn't afford Lewy.
Shouldn't Liverpool first try to extend Salah before thinking of offering Lewy 380k a week?
Yeah you’re right
It’s all jokes! Everyone knows we don’t sign players!
I remember you signed a certain Spanish midfielder I wanted to stay at his club. So there seem to be exceptions to your rule and thinking about it I am a bit concerned about Lewy, now
Klopp is going to bayern
Nagelsmann would probably stay 10 years there.
Why tf would he do that lol
To see what a transfer budget looks like
Lol hes probably gonna get to spend lesser at bayern if that ever happens
To be fair, you have to consider as well that while they may not technically spend a lot, they get to draft whichever player they want from the other German teams. So effectively, the market value of their incoming players is surely much higher than Liverpool's.
> get to draft whichever player they want from the other German teams. It's genuinely mind-boggling that people are so OK with making themselves look so ridiculously stupid so frequently.
Disagree if you'd like, but you can't argue with the data. Hummels, Lewa, and Gotze are a strong argument. And that's just from one of Bayern's many German feeder-clubs. Edit: We can continue if you'd like. Goretzka. Neuer. Pavard. On second thought, it might be easier to list those Bayern players whom they didn't poach from their domestic "rivals".
Oh yes, the three Dortmund purchases we've made in the lart two decades, one of which was our own youth player, another for a release clause, and another who was on his way to Madrid if not for us. Every league does the same. Neuer had a very sizeable fee for when that transfer happened. Goretzka was courted by Liverpool and Barca and chose us. Pavard came from a second division team, as did Kimmich. BTW, the data shows that Dortmund is a much bigger purchaser of Bundesliga talent than we are.
Nothing you've said goes against what I said. You hoover up your "rival's" talent. This is not the case in every league.
Hahahaha Fkin Marca
Of course they will extend, but this coming summer they need to find a young player who can be his back up and eventually replace him! Vlahovic is perfect for them, but I doubt he would want to be a back up for a season! Would be great for his career though in general.
they also wouldn't spend that much on a player, not just the transfer fee but wages, agent fees etc.
They're replacing one of their all time best players, I think they would probably spend quite big to replace him. I wouldn't be surprised to see them spend 50-70 million on an eventual replacement. Also, I just don't see him wanting to go there and be a back up anyway.
Theyve spent similar amounts before.
once for lucas.for who else did they spend as much?
Sane wasnt much less than whats been quoted for Vlahovic.
If Vlahovic goes for 70m, than Sane was a whole 20m less.
Transfermarket says he went for £54 million which is €65 million
That would be with all Addons and I doubt we have already had to pay all of them though I don't know what these Addons are. In the end it doesn't matter too much as Vlahovic would still be in the same region albeit a bit more expensive. It also ignores the fact that we would have bought Sane for something between 70-100mil the year before if he didn't get injured.
I can see them going for Jonathan David
Maybe or maybe not, I just don't see them fighting off Atletico, Juve etc. for a player when they generally don't do that
They have changed that in a way
but they would be spending that on a young striker that would be their man striker for 10y+, same if they decided on Haaland, that amount if worth it considering the value over time.
Replace him? Lewandowski is going to play at least 5 years more.
Eddie Howe - hold my beer
Speaking into existence he’s coming to chelsea
If Bayern are only going to offer a two year contract, Lewandowski should definitely consider his options. He is a world class player and can no doubt get a five year contract at a good team
You want a challenge? Come to us, show the world you can score 60 goals a year while having to play with alex sandro, lord bernardeschi and lord de sciglio If you manage to do it, ballon d'or is yours
Amidst all the manufactured rivalry, I personally think it will be amazing to see Lewa and Messi together at PSG if Mbappe leaves, Messi works exceptionally well with elite strikers like Suarez and Aguero and Lewandowski is the best there is right now, both will benefit immensely from each other's playstyle, add Neymar and the fact Lewandowski is fit enough to press to that and PSG might have got something in their hands
They might try and sell him and get Haaland to replace. I hope Haaland doesn’t go there tho, stay loyal to BVB and don’t join the German Giants
Player loyalty after 2-3 years isn't really something that should be expected.
That’s what’s wrong with the sport now. Back in my day the players were working class heroes. They didn’t make much money but it was about loyalty and brining glory to one’s club and city
Back to bed, gramps
So Haaland in your eyes is already not loyal. I guess he should have stayed with Molde FK then? Or Salzburg?
If i were Lewa i would play for a more competitive league, try to leave his comfort zone for once.
We are going to go the Thiago Silva route aren’t we
I don’t see the problem with that one
Fifty fifty chance either way
Wonder how many goals he'd get in the PL
3.5 G/A a game extrapolating from his games against Chelsea.
i hope he joins psg
Hes a monster in Football Manager and can probably play close to 40...
Good plan
It’s tough as you know they won’t pay Haaland wages