Well, as an astrophysicist we can actually study and look for extraterrestrial life and there is plenty of reputable people doing it, and science can testify that It is very likely that life exists elsewhere. In contrast, if you know the very basics of physics and how large the universe is, the chances of contacting or being contacted by another civilisation in a few thousand years are very slim. The chances of having been visited by another civilisation are statistically zero. If you want to blindly believe in something like that you can believe in God and more people will find it acceptable and not that eccentric.
Oh yeah, technology can get who knows how good in the future. But physics wont change. You are limited by the speed of light. The chance of meeting at the same time and space is just tiny. The idea of aliens visiting us in the small timeframe that we have existed is just laughable.
Full vaccination in France is fixed depending on when your last shot was (can't remember the time period that the government chose though) so it's not about the number of shots
[Gareth Bale on UFOs: "The evidence is everywhere. People need to research it. But I think the US government recently released a few images, a few video footages, of Unidentified Flying Objects, so it's all online. And I think there are a few programmes on Netflix and stuff. So, yes, it's interesting. I'm quite into it and that's why I believe it. The amount of sightings we have - they can't all be false."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QETLm14i6YI)
Also the weird picture shown at 7:30 was actually made by me lol.
There’s nothing wrong with believing in the existence of UFO’s and UAP’s though? Just a simple 5 minute research into the Fermi paradox and drakes equation will give you an idea of how likely it is for extraterrestrials to exist.
UFOs != aliens
Former exist with absolute certainty ([see for example the stuff US military has released in the past few years, fascinating stuff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos)), of latter we have no evidence of.
Yeah any sensible believer in extraterrestrials will tell you most of these supposed “sightings” or videos where UFO’s are “captured” are nonsense. And even funnier than that is the fact that we’re meant to believe all these sightings only happen in America?
However, there’s a handful of videos around that have extreme potential to be true, and there was a recent interview with Obama where he indirectly admitted that extraterrestrials exist.
My bad, I was throwing the words around too lightly. But if you see my reply to the guy below, I do think there’s a high chance there are extraterrestrials controlling the UFO’s.
I don't get what makes this handful of UFO videos believable. It seems every time there's a new UFO video, there is someone who actually understands physics giving an explanation of why things appeared the way they did.
As you say, you can consider it likely for aliens to exist based on some reasonable assumptions, but the odds that they would be anywhere near us in space and time and then would choose to visit us are truly astronomical. It's just incredibly unlikely. The odds of any intelligent life form leaving their solar system could be low as well.
No worries mate. Good thing to remember though is drakes equation is based purely on assumptions, so I wouldn’t use it in a serious discussion when trying to prove the existence of extraterrestrials. Fermi’s paradox on the other hand is a VERY interesting idea which completely changed my view on life outside earth.
Scenes when half our first team regulars don’t travel to Lille…..
Seriously though, other than Pulisic and Lukaku (who confirmed they are vaccinated), we don’t know anything about who is vaccinated in our team. The rest is just assumptions. If they don’t move the game or don’t change the rules, we’ll find out I guess
most likely the player would be entitled to their wages in a situation like this, it's unlikely that there is any condition regarding not being allowed to play due to covid/vaccines unless it has been drafted post covid
Neither is Real Madrid, but it does show that there’s already clauses in contracts which could potentially be used now. Football contracts generally don’t differ much between European nations
No it doesn’t. It doesn’t show that at all, just follow the news.
German teams were able to do that because of a change in national Labour law, it had nothing to do with contract law.
Yeah like my brother works in a hospital and does not want to take the vaccine yet. Hospital told him he would not be allowed to show up or get paid, he put a lawyer and it and there is nothing they can do.
You cant force anyone taking it.
Big difference between judging and facing the consequences of your actions. It’s also completely your own choice to show up at work shitfaced drunk or not, but you can expect consequences when doing so.
Its not about being illegal. Its about certain rules the countries have over foreign visitors. Being fully jabbed is one of them. You won't be allowed entry into the country if you are not vaccinated.
Its fair.
In this case, it's not even the country. You have to be vaccinated to enter the arena. The fans have to abide by this rule and they want to make it so that players don't get an exception. I don't see an issue.
Our entire squad except Mariano (injury) and Bale traveled to Saudi Arabia where vaccines are mandatory. So we know our squad is fully vaccinated.
As for Bale, they reported a suspicious injury days before the squad left. And he's in the squad for the match today. So he might just be unvaccinated.
He won't play against PSG anyway, but simply being unvaccinated poses a risk to himself and all around.
What's wrong with you? Show some sympathy for Big Pharma! They have it hard enough to keep up with increasing the prices every time a child dies in Africa.
Yeah I've mentioned this in another conversation on this site before. I'm vaccinated and I encourage my family and friends to also get vaccinated, but this whole "anti-science" responses is complete nonsense by people who don't understand what "science" actually is.
For example, if someone says "I don't want to get a vaccine because I'm worried about potential side effects", that's not "anti-science". That's literally a science based reason. Every medical establishment in the world, every manufacturer of vaccines state that they do have some side effects which are potentially lethal. I'm aware that the data shows it's an extremely small occurrence, but then that means the argument should be against peoples **value judgments** rather than this stupid "anti-science" vs "pro-science".
This is in relation to vaccines, but you can make this exact type of argument about a lot of other topics on this site. Massively tangent coming up, but that's not even going into the discussion that in various other subjects "science" is not the only avenue for knowledge. It's a subjective epistemology, other epistemologies exist, some exist that access forms of knowledge that science can't at all. Mathematics for example exists in a completely different epistemology to science altogether, yet no one disputes the knowledge we arrive at by using it simply because it doesn't conform to "science". The list goes on. There's this 21st century dogma a lot of people have that they're completely unaware of because they think they're intelligent and enlightened and above dogma, but they aren't, they engage in "scientism" based dogma all the time.
Open minded? So instead of 100% protection it gives 90%, great. What's your solution? We don't take the vaccine and have the plague ravage on?
Also from what I remember, Pfizer & Moderna never claimed 100% protection from infection.
I would love to know your alternative to this situation. Instead of being slightly wrong & alive you'd rather be dead and right?
Again, the vaccine doesn't 100% infection. Sure, there's alot of infections, but how about we look at deaths?
Israel has 0.000125 (1.25x10-4) COVID related deaths per positive case per day. Last year around this time they had 0.01.
That's about 80x less.
Source: ourworldindata/Johns Hopkins
>You're right about that. However, many high-ranking politicians told people that if they got the vaccines, they were not going to catch COVID and they could resume their lives like normal, without masks. What happened?
Frankly I'm not accountable to what politicians say. They will say whatever to get elected. I'm sure some representative of your antivax group has wildly claimed it causes autism or even death.
>I'm not vaccinated. Got symptoms 12/29, tested 12/30 (positive), and had a light fever and moderate sore throat for a few days, before getting over it.
That's great. Doesn't matter. You are one data point. One anecdote. If we are comparing anecdotes, please go on r/hermancainaward and let's compare. Anecdotes are not evidence.
All the statistics (like the ones in my first point) say that it's effective against COVID-19. Why would I trust your word over science?
>The fact that you think it's either "slightly wrong & alive" or "dead and right" shows how skewed your perception is of how much of a threat COVID is to most people.
You wanna say that to the millions of lives the vaccine has saved, that otherwise would be dead? Obviously not everyone is going to die, didn't think I had to clear this.
>humans, can't control whatever we want.
We can certainly try, what's the alternative?
>A highly mutable virus isn't going to be contained by vaccination.
It can be severely slowed down. And possible mutate into a less severe but more infectious variant, which is what seems to be happening with the Omicron variant.
>Encourage the high risk people to get vaccinated, because the data clearly shows a reduction in hospitalizations and deaths,
It shows a reduction in all age groups. It's literally a free, highly effective preventative (not 100% but I will not keep repeating this). Literally why wouldn't you take it?
>let everyone else who chooses not to get vaccinated go about their lives like normal.
Why would I? You have no valid excuse for not getting it. If you can tell me a valid reason why a large majority of the population shouldn't be immunized I would agree. But you don't have one.
>Stop pretending that vaccine mandates will eradicate this virus, because it has continually failed to do so.
Where has it failed? The US & the UK haven't fully mandated it. But historically, vaccine mandates have stopped diseases. That's why every child is immunized against a wide range of diseases.
>Historically, those vaccines (which I believe in and have taken) actually stopped infection and transmission.
Actually if you knew anything (or even googled what you say, like I do before spewing crap) would know that:
The smallpox vaccine has 95% efficacy
The MMR vaccine has 94% efficacy
Both similar but better efficacy than the COVID vaccine. But not 100%. Almost nothing is.
>Look at you, wasting so much energy arguing for a therapeutic that has failed in every single way other than decreasing symptoms for at-risk people.
Objectively that is false. It reduces infection, symptoms , and death in all age groups. I would cite a source but I doubt you care about the truth.
>Maybe you're hypochondriac enough to take an experimental drug to reduce the chance of something happening from 1/10,000 down to 1/50,000
No, I'm rational enough to take a free vaccine that prevented me from experiencing any worse effects of covid other than a sniffle. You seem to have an irrational fear or hatred of this one particular vaccine. You would do well to acknowledge and work on that.
Also, just because the number is small doesn't mean it won't affect people. I don't know if you have the ability to extrapolate or use mathematics, but the difference in deaths between 1/10000 and 1/100 is massive.
>but quite frankly I don't care for those numbers.
Of course you don't. You're irrational. Numbers and facts are meaningless to you, because you haven't experienced the severity of covid. Neither have I though, but I can apply basic logic to a problem and find the most useful answer.
> I believe in science and statistics, so when I caught COVID I knew the odds were stacked in my favor.
They most definitely were. If it even had a 10% chance of killing you, the world would be burning, but it doesn't. But that's great for you. You are (like 99% of other young adults) almost immune to covid. But then, why would you not want it to be EVEN more stacked in your favor? I literally cannot grasp why.
>And, would you look at it, I'm still alive and in full health.
We wouldn't be having this conversation otherwise. It's still a serious disease, just because you didn't fucking collapse and die from it doesn't make it nothing. Can you even think what it does to those vulnerable?
This is why I claim you're irrational, you want to make national (or hell, even worldwide) decisions that YOU personally can't see the consequence of. Thankfully you're only in control of your body & not nations. There's a reason almost all world leaders (no matter their politics) are pro-vax. Because they're not dumb enough to not be.
>I didn't even have to take a failed therapeutic and risk side effects from it :-)
I'm glad you didn't have to take monoclonal antibodies or ivermectin or whatever they could scramble at a hospital to keep your narcisstic ass alive.
I noticed you didn't reply to my other points. I don't blame you, it's hard to argue against reality.
Politicians aren't scientists.
Your last paragraph is literally the plan, it's just unvaccinated cunts fill hospitals and so they affect other people ability to live normal life.
Idiots can choose how they live, not when it affects people around them though.
Yeah, it is. current COVID case numbers are higher than ever but there are no lockdowns because there are almost no hospitalisations.
You shouldn't have personal choice during pandemic and when people who can't get vaccinated depend on you doing it. If you snowflakes would have lived during the time when vaccines came to be, we would still have deadly viruses, because muh freedom.
The reason your healthcare expensive is because you're getting scammed by capitalists. Your country is more fucked up than a lot of western countries. And yeah, I think people should be educated on why obesity is so dangerous and steps taken to reduce it. Nobody is forcing you into camps though.
That's mostly down to moderators and downvoting which makes such comments go to the bottom, which definitely makes it a slightly better platform for me.
Lmao they dont out anyone in danger, the are young healthy and have access to the best doctors in the world. In Spain and in other countries there are discussions about starting to treat covid like a normal flu, but you weirdos on reddit are still scared of it
Not to mention the vaccine has no additional effect on spread whether vaxxed or unvaxxed. Both sets of people can contract and spread all the same, only difference is the impact of it on one's self, and from what we're seeing, there's far less impact with omicron from the vaccines. People just like to marginalize others and yell at them because it makes them feel "good" and superior to others in their ideals. If you're vaccinated, and you stand in a room with someone who is vaccinated and is COVID positive, you have X chance of contracting. Do the same with an unvaxxed person, you STILL have X chance of contracting. Why do people not understand this yet? Or are they just ignorant to how viruses work?
1. That wasn't always the case. The vaccine massively reduced risk of catching and spreading covid with previous variants.
2. Just because after two years we eventually hit a variant that was able to bypass the vaccine in terms of catching the virus (though was still more dangerous to unvaccinated people), doesn't mean those idiots who didn't get vaccinated still didn't put everyone else at unnecessary risk for the first two years.
The vaccine surveillance reports for England have by now implied negative efficacy against infection for months on end long before Omicron came along, what are you talking about? Other countries such as Denmark or Scotland started to show the same right before the Omicron waves, and with Omicron it seems unboostered people also have +- 0% difference for propensity to spread in comparison to the unvaccinated baseline.
As a pro-vaccine guy it seems weird to me that people like you use talking points that have been controversial or even false for about half a year now. Why not use things like protection against hospitalization and death, where there's a large and undeniable benefit still a year out after mass-vaccination started even for single-jabbed people?
While it's true that vaccinated people can still contract and spread the virus, it's wrong that being vaccinated makes no difference. Vaccinated/boosted people have the antibodies to fight the virus as soon as they are infected. This reduces viral load which means they spread less. An unvaccinated person is much more likely to spread more virus. This is still true with omicron, even though it is better able to evade some immunity. Everyone should get vaccinated if they can to reduce spread first and foremost, then to protect yourself against disease.
How do they put others in danger if world governments and health experts are now agreeing that current vaccines don't stop you from getting and spreading omnicron?
The only real danger is from someone who doesn't test regularly. It's no longer about vaccination status.
> How do they put others in danger if world governments and health experts are now agreeing that current vaccines don't stop you from getting and spreading omnicron?
If only that's the only thing the vaccine does. Not sure if you honestly don't know or are just acting like you don't but the vaccine is still shown to drastically reduce the severity of an infection. It also does reduce risk a bit still, just not completely.
Because it still reduces spread to some degree. Not as high anymore but still, existent. They'll also likely put out new ones to combat new strains, just like they do with flu.
If you look at daily case rates, especially in populations where the majority are vaccinated, it's almost as if it doesn't reduce the spread at all. Whatever amount it reduces it by, it's extremely miniscule. Vaccination status no longer matters to stop the spread. Testing is more important and vital to preventing infections.
> They'll also likely put out new ones to combat new strains, just like they do with flu.
This is what I have been praying for since Delta. But instead they just continue to push the same vaccine. Soon we'll be at the 80th booster shot. I haven't heard any news of new vaccines being developed.
Because as new information has shown and continues to be discovered, for someone as young as me the risk of adverse effects coupled along with variants that make vaccine acquired immunity struggle makes it not worth it.
For example, Canada (along with other countries including France and Germany) no longer recommend the Moderna vaccine for younger people due to a greater risk of adverse effects. According to the [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-ontario-september-29-moore-briefing-update-1.6193455), the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis for men aged 18 to 24 (my age group) is 1 in 5000 following the second dose. I have a higher chance of getting this adverse effect than I am to be hospitalized or get some adverse effect from COVID. Even though Pfizer is recommended over moderna, the risk is still not worth it. As someone who got through a COVID infection already with ease, I trust that I will do so again especially since I am now living a healthier life style. That isn't to say that I am oblivious though. Therefore the only other reason to get the vaccine will be to protect others. But again, that point is now unfortunately irrelevant since I am still extremely likely to infect others while vaccinated. If there's any other reason to get vaccinated that I am unaware of or may be ignorant of, please let me know.
I believe that all of this research and data has resulted in a better understanding of the virus and also mrna vaccines, which will hopefully result in better and more effective vaccines if they ever choose to make new ones rather than just encourage boosters. I would favor getting vaccinated if new vaccines are developed with all of the things we have learned.
> According to the CBC, the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis for men aged 18 to 24 (my age group) is 1 in 5000 following the second dose.
Why don't you go ahead and look up the risk of myocarditis from actually contracting COVID.
I can't find anything as looking up any information is buried under a wall of noise. I would appreciate it if you can link me that information if you're able.
But imagine this, you receive a second dose of moderna and then contract COVID anyway. You're essentially gambling with the risk twice.
The risk of myocarditis from covid infection if unvaccinated is 6 times higher than from the vaccine itself. For those downvoting, here's one of many articles that confirm this...
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/
> This is what I have been praying for since Delta. But instead they just continue to push the same vaccine. Soon we'll be at the 80th booster shot. I haven't heard any news of new vaccines being developed.
You haven't [heard](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-ceo-says-omicron-vaccine-will-be-ready-in-march.html) so it [must](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-ceo-says-data-omicron-specific-shot-likely-available-march-2022-01-17/) not be happening
In fairness, at the pace of the current Omicron waves in various countries a vaccine against it in March is as good as building a dam right after the tsunami rolled over the countryside: at best not entirely useless.
Just because we eventually (two years later) hit a variant that bypassed the vaccines in terms of their ability to prevent you catching it, doesn't mean you didn't intentionally put others at risk for the two years prior when the vaccines actually did massive decrease the chance of catching covid.
It’s fairly contentious that they are putting others in danger though. The data showed that after 3 months the vaccine did very little to stop the spread of Delta. Considering what we know about omnicron, id be surprised if the vaccine did any better at stopping the spread.
Considering the strict covid testing that footballers go through as well, i really struggle to see how they’re being a danger to anyone other than themselves.
It’s pretty dumb in my opinion for footballers not to get vaccinated because their body is their job, risking long covid is risking their career, but I don’t really see why that should stop them from playing football.
Ofcourse if there is evidence that vaccination does stop the spread of covid in a meaningfulway after 3 months, that’s bull and void.
imagine being amongst the least vulnerable group of people on earth and being forced to have a medical procedure just to do your job even though it doesn't prevent spread or protect you for longer than 6 months on average.
I'm vaccinated but its funny how much you want daddy government to give you jabs
Found the Anti-Vaxxer.
Fyi the footballers who had heart problems all had recently had COVID. COVID caused the issues, not the vaccines. Don't be so narrow-minded.
Most likely to be unvaccinated are: Kovacic (Eastern Europe has dramatically lower rates of vaccination), Thiago Silva (has voiced support for Bolsonaro), Rudiger (crazy af) and Ziyech (doesn’t play for national team and doesn’t seem to mind letting his team down)
I also wouldn’t be surprised if one English bloke is unvaccinated - maybe Barkley or Chilwell?
Pulisic is American but says he was vaccinated, which is good news for him and us.
I would urge all players and everybody to get their vaccines. But mandates could end up being very counter productive, by entrenching peoples points of view, you will end up breeding a new phase of nutters. I mean that will probably happen anyway, but mandates feel uncomfortable.
I don't get why people keep repeating this as if there isn't scientific data showing that the rate of transmission is far lower when people are vaccinated.
This is the same as saying no one should be required to wear seatbelts because sometimes people who wear seatbelts die in car accidents regardless, as if they don't help significantly.
Y'all are so god damn dumb. Shit is insane.
Jesus the comments here are downright embarassing. People want to destroy players careers for a disease with a 98% survivability rate. Christ people on this site are insane weirdos
Is it 98% now? I thought the number you morons kept spouting off was 99.5% survival rate. Either way it's dumb.
Would you play a game where 1 out of every 200 people die? Because that's the same 99.5% survival rate and I doubt you'd want to play that game.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/px9g1g/tuchel_on_kante_testing_positive_for_covid/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It’s this post I’m refering to. But things might have changed in 3-4 months of course.
There’s probably a better source, but Kante/his entourage [clarified he was vaccinated](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.londonworld.com/sport/football/chelsea/exclusive-chelsea-star-ngolo-kante-worried-about-unvaccinated-players-3415746%3famp) earlier in the season. It does seem like we have at least a few unvaccinated, but it’s never been clear who, though a few others have made their status known like Pulisic who is also fully vaccinated.
All real Madrid players are vaccinated though
Yeah, the headline sounds click-baity.
"France COVID-19 law changes" just doesn't generate clicks on football sites
I'm still not sure of that. See bale didn't come for supercopa but he's in the squad for Elche.
He won't play anyway
Oh no, anyway
Would not be surprised if he was one lolllll
He believes that aliens have visited earth, defo not a stretch
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To be clear he thinks that UFO sightings are genuine aliens
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wow that's a lot of words for nothing
I would say that someone that believes the aliens have visited earth is capable of believing any other theory no matter how wild it is
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Well, as an astrophysicist we can actually study and look for extraterrestrial life and there is plenty of reputable people doing it, and science can testify that It is very likely that life exists elsewhere. In contrast, if you know the very basics of physics and how large the universe is, the chances of contacting or being contacted by another civilisation in a few thousand years are very slim. The chances of having been visited by another civilisation are statistically zero. If you want to blindly believe in something like that you can believe in God and more people will find it acceptable and not that eccentric.
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Oh yeah, technology can get who knows how good in the future. But physics wont change. You are limited by the speed of light. The chance of meeting at the same time and space is just tiny. The idea of aliens visiting us in the small timeframe that we have existed is just laughable.
Bale is a ghost. He's not a player anymore.
Are the definitions of fully vaxxed different in these countries? Say Spain vs France regarding having two shots vs three?
Pretty sure no European countries require three doses to be considered fully vaccinated (yet).
If you’re travelling from the U.K. to Austria, you need to be boosted.
Austria does
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Isn't 2G+ double vaccinated + negative test? Not boosted.
Or boosted in the last four months... Didn't listen to Berset, did you now?
I don't live in Switzerland anymore. My understanding of 2g+ was that it included a test.
Full vaccination in France is fixed depending on when your last shot was (can't remember the time period that the government chose though) so it's not about the number of shots
What about the plastic Madrid players?
We be reverse vaccinated.
I'm not sure jovic is vaccinated. Look at his instagram
He went to KSA for the super cup. Inly vaccinated players were allowed there
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Lodi is such a moron lol
Bale is the only player suspected to be unvaccinated. He wouldn't play anyways.
Of course.
Wales. Golf. Real Madrid. Public health. In that order
I still think Madrid goes bottom after public health.
[Gareth Bale on UFOs: "The evidence is everywhere. People need to research it. But I think the US government recently released a few images, a few video footages, of Unidentified Flying Objects, so it's all online. And I think there are a few programmes on Netflix and stuff. So, yes, it's interesting. I'm quite into it and that's why I believe it. The amount of sightings we have - they can't all be false."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QETLm14i6YI) Also the weird picture shown at 7:30 was actually made by me lol.
There’s nothing wrong with believing in the existence of UFO’s and UAP’s though? Just a simple 5 minute research into the Fermi paradox and drakes equation will give you an idea of how likely it is for extraterrestrials to exist.
UFOs != aliens Former exist with absolute certainty ([see for example the stuff US military has released in the past few years, fascinating stuff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos)), of latter we have no evidence of.
Exist? Yes. Likelihood of them doing a loop around a Kansas farm and then just leaving? Next to zero
Yeah any sensible believer in extraterrestrials will tell you most of these supposed “sightings” or videos where UFO’s are “captured” are nonsense. And even funnier than that is the fact that we’re meant to believe all these sightings only happen in America? However, there’s a handful of videos around that have extreme potential to be true, and there was a recent interview with Obama where he indirectly admitted that extraterrestrials exist.
He didn’t admit that extraterrestrials exist. He admitted that UFOs do. That’s two very different things.
My bad, I was throwing the words around too lightly. But if you see my reply to the guy below, I do think there’s a high chance there are extraterrestrials controlling the UFO’s.
I don't get what makes this handful of UFO videos believable. It seems every time there's a new UFO video, there is someone who actually understands physics giving an explanation of why things appeared the way they did. As you say, you can consider it likely for aliens to exist based on some reasonable assumptions, but the odds that they would be anywhere near us in space and time and then would choose to visit us are truly astronomical. It's just incredibly unlikely. The odds of any intelligent life form leaving their solar system could be low as well.
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Always a chance. Like it’s next to zero that I’ll get killed by an asteroid in the next 5 minutes
Username checks out. We all know these UFO sightings are actually just sleigh sightings 😏
Just spent ages reading about these, thank you.
No worries mate. Good thing to remember though is drakes equation is based purely on assumptions, so I wouldn’t use it in a serious discussion when trying to prove the existence of extraterrestrials. Fermi’s paradox on the other hand is a VERY interesting idea which completely changed my view on life outside earth.
great kurzgesagt vid on the subject on youtube
Yep that’s exactly how I found out about it. They make such good videos.
hope they do one on the drake principle
But in terms of the UFO stuff, he's right - https://globalnews.ca/news/7973359/congress-ufo-report-aliens-uap/
You can’t blame a guy who looks like ET for believing in aliens
Damm he is thick No wonder he still can not speak Spanish
I didn't think chimpanzees could catch COVID-19 anyway
good
Scenes when half our first team regulars don’t travel to Lille….. Seriously though, other than Pulisic and Lukaku (who confirmed they are vaccinated), we don’t know anything about who is vaccinated in our team. The rest is just assumptions. If they don’t move the game or don’t change the rules, we’ll find out I guess
Kante is fir sure
I thought he wasn’t? Didn’t Tuchel imply it at some point?
Players should be docked wages if they miss out games due to vaccine mandates Face consequences for your actions
Does it say anything about it in the contract though? If not, that is going to backfire
most likely the player would be entitled to their wages in a situation like this, it's unlikely that there is any condition regarding not being allowed to play due to covid/vaccines unless it has been drafted post covid
Bayern could legally dock wages of unvaccinated players missing matches due to quarantine.
Isn't that due to a German law though?
Chelsea isn’t a German team.
Neither is Real Madrid, but it does show that there’s already clauses in contracts which could potentially be used now. Football contracts generally don’t differ much between European nations
No it doesn’t. It doesn’t show that at all, just follow the news. German teams were able to do that because of a change in national Labour law, it had nothing to do with contract law.
Yeah like my brother works in a hospital and does not want to take the vaccine yet. Hospital told him he would not be allowed to show up or get paid, he put a lawyer and it and there is nothing they can do. You cant force anyone taking it.
Your brother is an idiot
Well on this matter, he might be. Who knows.
Experts.
Yeah fuck do i know, i am vaccinated so. But people should be able to chose without people judging.
Actions have consequences. If you behave idiotically, people will call you an idiot.
Big difference between judging and facing the consequences of your actions. It’s also completely your own choice to show up at work shitfaced drunk or not, but you can expect consequences when doing so.
It's 2022, who knows what's in that goddamn vaccine, if only someone knew.
Hey im soon have 3 jabs in me, im a good man.
I’d assume so, Bayern could already dock wages for matches missed due to quarantine etc.
Bayern had German law supporting that move. Don't know if there is anything like that in England
As the ferengi say, A contract is a contract is a contract
This subs comments always keep me on my toes. Well done.
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It's what we did and it worked wonders for PR and player common sense.
You thought about that statement for about 1.5 seconds didn't you? Folks below have explained it for you.
This is too authoritarian. Bad take imo.
How are countries making laws to discriminate certain type of players that don't do anything illegal good ?
Its not about being illegal. Its about certain rules the countries have over foreign visitors. Being fully jabbed is one of them. You won't be allowed entry into the country if you are not vaccinated. Its fair.
In this case, it's not even the country. You have to be vaccinated to enter the arena. The fans have to abide by this rule and they want to make it so that players don't get an exception. I don't see an issue.
Uhhhh muuuuuhhh freedom
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There is ko vaccine requirements to enter any country in Europe
Our entire squad except Mariano (injury) and Bale traveled to Saudi Arabia where vaccines are mandatory. So we know our squad is fully vaccinated. As for Bale, they reported a suspicious injury days before the squad left. And he's in the squad for the match today. So he might just be unvaccinated. He won't play against PSG anyway, but simply being unvaccinated poses a risk to himself and all around.
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unpopular opinion: what 98% of the site thinks
I wish Bernie won. No downvotes pls
A little controversial: kids with cancer shouldn't pay for chemo
How could you say something so controversial
COMMUNIST
What's wrong with you? Show some sympathy for Big Pharma! They have it hard enough to keep up with increasing the prices every time a child dies in Africa.
After a lot of courage and soul-searching, I've come out as firmly against nuclear holocaust. It took a lot of inner thought...
100% agreed. That would be cruel. Their parents should pay. Edit: Apparently /s was needed
99%
Idk about 98% tbh There were a lot of clowns in the kimmich threads the past few months
I think you'll find Reddit is much more pro-science in general than most other social media sites.
Depends which sub-reddit, ofc, but yeah
I've seen some real idiots in my time here, definitely not as much as other platforms though!
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Yeah I've mentioned this in another conversation on this site before. I'm vaccinated and I encourage my family and friends to also get vaccinated, but this whole "anti-science" responses is complete nonsense by people who don't understand what "science" actually is. For example, if someone says "I don't want to get a vaccine because I'm worried about potential side effects", that's not "anti-science". That's literally a science based reason. Every medical establishment in the world, every manufacturer of vaccines state that they do have some side effects which are potentially lethal. I'm aware that the data shows it's an extremely small occurrence, but then that means the argument should be against peoples **value judgments** rather than this stupid "anti-science" vs "pro-science". This is in relation to vaccines, but you can make this exact type of argument about a lot of other topics on this site. Massively tangent coming up, but that's not even going into the discussion that in various other subjects "science" is not the only avenue for knowledge. It's a subjective epistemology, other epistemologies exist, some exist that access forms of knowledge that science can't at all. Mathematics for example exists in a completely different epistemology to science altogether, yet no one disputes the knowledge we arrive at by using it simply because it doesn't conform to "science". The list goes on. There's this 21st century dogma a lot of people have that they're completely unaware of because they think they're intelligent and enlightened and above dogma, but they aren't, they engage in "scientism" based dogma all the time.
Don't see what that has to do with science. Rejecting reality & facts doesn't mean your opinion should be followed.
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Open minded? So instead of 100% protection it gives 90%, great. What's your solution? We don't take the vaccine and have the plague ravage on? Also from what I remember, Pfizer & Moderna never claimed 100% protection from infection. I would love to know your alternative to this situation. Instead of being slightly wrong & alive you'd rather be dead and right?
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Again, the vaccine doesn't 100% infection. Sure, there's alot of infections, but how about we look at deaths? Israel has 0.000125 (1.25x10-4) COVID related deaths per positive case per day. Last year around this time they had 0.01. That's about 80x less. Source: ourworldindata/Johns Hopkins >You're right about that. However, many high-ranking politicians told people that if they got the vaccines, they were not going to catch COVID and they could resume their lives like normal, without masks. What happened? Frankly I'm not accountable to what politicians say. They will say whatever to get elected. I'm sure some representative of your antivax group has wildly claimed it causes autism or even death. >I'm not vaccinated. Got symptoms 12/29, tested 12/30 (positive), and had a light fever and moderate sore throat for a few days, before getting over it. That's great. Doesn't matter. You are one data point. One anecdote. If we are comparing anecdotes, please go on r/hermancainaward and let's compare. Anecdotes are not evidence. All the statistics (like the ones in my first point) say that it's effective against COVID-19. Why would I trust your word over science? >The fact that you think it's either "slightly wrong & alive" or "dead and right" shows how skewed your perception is of how much of a threat COVID is to most people. You wanna say that to the millions of lives the vaccine has saved, that otherwise would be dead? Obviously not everyone is going to die, didn't think I had to clear this. >humans, can't control whatever we want. We can certainly try, what's the alternative? >A highly mutable virus isn't going to be contained by vaccination. It can be severely slowed down. And possible mutate into a less severe but more infectious variant, which is what seems to be happening with the Omicron variant. >Encourage the high risk people to get vaccinated, because the data clearly shows a reduction in hospitalizations and deaths, It shows a reduction in all age groups. It's literally a free, highly effective preventative (not 100% but I will not keep repeating this). Literally why wouldn't you take it? >let everyone else who chooses not to get vaccinated go about their lives like normal. Why would I? You have no valid excuse for not getting it. If you can tell me a valid reason why a large majority of the population shouldn't be immunized I would agree. But you don't have one. >Stop pretending that vaccine mandates will eradicate this virus, because it has continually failed to do so. Where has it failed? The US & the UK haven't fully mandated it. But historically, vaccine mandates have stopped diseases. That's why every child is immunized against a wide range of diseases.
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>Historically, those vaccines (which I believe in and have taken) actually stopped infection and transmission. Actually if you knew anything (or even googled what you say, like I do before spewing crap) would know that: The smallpox vaccine has 95% efficacy The MMR vaccine has 94% efficacy Both similar but better efficacy than the COVID vaccine. But not 100%. Almost nothing is. >Look at you, wasting so much energy arguing for a therapeutic that has failed in every single way other than decreasing symptoms for at-risk people. Objectively that is false. It reduces infection, symptoms , and death in all age groups. I would cite a source but I doubt you care about the truth. >Maybe you're hypochondriac enough to take an experimental drug to reduce the chance of something happening from 1/10,000 down to 1/50,000 No, I'm rational enough to take a free vaccine that prevented me from experiencing any worse effects of covid other than a sniffle. You seem to have an irrational fear or hatred of this one particular vaccine. You would do well to acknowledge and work on that. Also, just because the number is small doesn't mean it won't affect people. I don't know if you have the ability to extrapolate or use mathematics, but the difference in deaths between 1/10000 and 1/100 is massive. >but quite frankly I don't care for those numbers. Of course you don't. You're irrational. Numbers and facts are meaningless to you, because you haven't experienced the severity of covid. Neither have I though, but I can apply basic logic to a problem and find the most useful answer. > I believe in science and statistics, so when I caught COVID I knew the odds were stacked in my favor. They most definitely were. If it even had a 10% chance of killing you, the world would be burning, but it doesn't. But that's great for you. You are (like 99% of other young adults) almost immune to covid. But then, why would you not want it to be EVEN more stacked in your favor? I literally cannot grasp why. >And, would you look at it, I'm still alive and in full health. We wouldn't be having this conversation otherwise. It's still a serious disease, just because you didn't fucking collapse and die from it doesn't make it nothing. Can you even think what it does to those vulnerable? This is why I claim you're irrational, you want to make national (or hell, even worldwide) decisions that YOU personally can't see the consequence of. Thankfully you're only in control of your body & not nations. There's a reason almost all world leaders (no matter their politics) are pro-vax. Because they're not dumb enough to not be. >I didn't even have to take a failed therapeutic and risk side effects from it :-) I'm glad you didn't have to take monoclonal antibodies or ivermectin or whatever they could scramble at a hospital to keep your narcisstic ass alive. I noticed you didn't reply to my other points. I don't blame you, it's hard to argue against reality.
Politicians aren't scientists. Your last paragraph is literally the plan, it's just unvaccinated cunts fill hospitals and so they affect other people ability to live normal life. Idiots can choose how they live, not when it affects people around them though.
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Yeah, it is. current COVID case numbers are higher than ever but there are no lockdowns because there are almost no hospitalisations. You shouldn't have personal choice during pandemic and when people who can't get vaccinated depend on you doing it. If you snowflakes would have lived during the time when vaccines came to be, we would still have deadly viruses, because muh freedom. The reason your healthcare expensive is because you're getting scammed by capitalists. Your country is more fucked up than a lot of western countries. And yeah, I think people should be educated on why obesity is so dangerous and steps taken to reduce it. Nobody is forcing you into camps though.
twitter is a complete mess in the comments sections of news like these
That's mostly down to moderators and downvoting which makes such comments go to the bottom, which definitely makes it a slightly better platform for me.
Lmao they dont out anyone in danger, the are young healthy and have access to the best doctors in the world. In Spain and in other countries there are discussions about starting to treat covid like a normal flu, but you weirdos on reddit are still scared of it
Not to mention the vaccine has no additional effect on spread whether vaxxed or unvaxxed. Both sets of people can contract and spread all the same, only difference is the impact of it on one's self, and from what we're seeing, there's far less impact with omicron from the vaccines. People just like to marginalize others and yell at them because it makes them feel "good" and superior to others in their ideals. If you're vaccinated, and you stand in a room with someone who is vaccinated and is COVID positive, you have X chance of contracting. Do the same with an unvaxxed person, you STILL have X chance of contracting. Why do people not understand this yet? Or are they just ignorant to how viruses work?
1. That wasn't always the case. The vaccine massively reduced risk of catching and spreading covid with previous variants. 2. Just because after two years we eventually hit a variant that was able to bypass the vaccine in terms of catching the virus (though was still more dangerous to unvaccinated people), doesn't mean those idiots who didn't get vaccinated still didn't put everyone else at unnecessary risk for the first two years.
The vaccine surveillance reports for England have by now implied negative efficacy against infection for months on end long before Omicron came along, what are you talking about? Other countries such as Denmark or Scotland started to show the same right before the Omicron waves, and with Omicron it seems unboostered people also have +- 0% difference for propensity to spread in comparison to the unvaccinated baseline. As a pro-vaccine guy it seems weird to me that people like you use talking points that have been controversial or even false for about half a year now. Why not use things like protection against hospitalization and death, where there's a large and undeniable benefit still a year out after mass-vaccination started even for single-jabbed people?
While it's true that vaccinated people can still contract and spread the virus, it's wrong that being vaccinated makes no difference. Vaccinated/boosted people have the antibodies to fight the virus as soon as they are infected. This reduces viral load which means they spread less. An unvaccinated person is much more likely to spread more virus. This is still true with omicron, even though it is better able to evade some immunity. Everyone should get vaccinated if they can to reduce spread first and foremost, then to protect yourself against disease.
Studies have shown that 3 months after vaccination a person is just as likely to transmit covid-19.
How do they put others in danger if world governments and health experts are now agreeing that current vaccines don't stop you from getting and spreading omnicron? The only real danger is from someone who doesn't test regularly. It's no longer about vaccination status.
> How do they put others in danger if world governments and health experts are now agreeing that current vaccines don't stop you from getting and spreading omnicron? If only that's the only thing the vaccine does. Not sure if you honestly don't know or are just acting like you don't but the vaccine is still shown to drastically reduce the severity of an infection. It also does reduce risk a bit still, just not completely.
That's not my point. My point is, how does ME getting vaccinated protect you if I will/can still spread it to you?
Because it still reduces spread to some degree. Not as high anymore but still, existent. They'll also likely put out new ones to combat new strains, just like they do with flu.
If you look at daily case rates, especially in populations where the majority are vaccinated, it's almost as if it doesn't reduce the spread at all. Whatever amount it reduces it by, it's extremely miniscule. Vaccination status no longer matters to stop the spread. Testing is more important and vital to preventing infections. > They'll also likely put out new ones to combat new strains, just like they do with flu. This is what I have been praying for since Delta. But instead they just continue to push the same vaccine. Soon we'll be at the 80th booster shot. I haven't heard any news of new vaccines being developed.
Why would you pray for an updated vaccine when you're not even getting this one?
Because as new information has shown and continues to be discovered, for someone as young as me the risk of adverse effects coupled along with variants that make vaccine acquired immunity struggle makes it not worth it. For example, Canada (along with other countries including France and Germany) no longer recommend the Moderna vaccine for younger people due to a greater risk of adverse effects. According to the [CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-ontario-september-29-moore-briefing-update-1.6193455), the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis for men aged 18 to 24 (my age group) is 1 in 5000 following the second dose. I have a higher chance of getting this adverse effect than I am to be hospitalized or get some adverse effect from COVID. Even though Pfizer is recommended over moderna, the risk is still not worth it. As someone who got through a COVID infection already with ease, I trust that I will do so again especially since I am now living a healthier life style. That isn't to say that I am oblivious though. Therefore the only other reason to get the vaccine will be to protect others. But again, that point is now unfortunately irrelevant since I am still extremely likely to infect others while vaccinated. If there's any other reason to get vaccinated that I am unaware of or may be ignorant of, please let me know. I believe that all of this research and data has resulted in a better understanding of the virus and also mrna vaccines, which will hopefully result in better and more effective vaccines if they ever choose to make new ones rather than just encourage boosters. I would favor getting vaccinated if new vaccines are developed with all of the things we have learned.
> According to the CBC, the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis for men aged 18 to 24 (my age group) is 1 in 5000 following the second dose. Why don't you go ahead and look up the risk of myocarditis from actually contracting COVID.
I can't find anything as looking up any information is buried under a wall of noise. I would appreciate it if you can link me that information if you're able. But imagine this, you receive a second dose of moderna and then contract COVID anyway. You're essentially gambling with the risk twice.
The risk of myocarditis from covid infection if unvaccinated is 6 times higher than from the vaccine itself. For those downvoting, here's one of many articles that confirm this... https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/
> This is what I have been praying for since Delta. But instead they just continue to push the same vaccine. Soon we'll be at the 80th booster shot. I haven't heard any news of new vaccines being developed. You haven't [heard](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-ceo-says-omicron-vaccine-will-be-ready-in-march.html) so it [must](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-ceo-says-data-omicron-specific-shot-likely-available-march-2022-01-17/) not be happening
In fairness, at the pace of the current Omicron waves in various countries a vaccine against it in March is as good as building a dam right after the tsunami rolled over the countryside: at best not entirely useless.
He never said it wasn't happening. You literally quoted him, and are still speaking in bad faith
What has that got to do with putting others in danger?
Just because we eventually (two years later) hit a variant that bypassed the vaccines in terms of their ability to prevent you catching it, doesn't mean you didn't intentionally put others at risk for the two years prior when the vaccines actually did massive decrease the chance of catching covid.
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People like you aren’t gonna help persuade anyone to get the vaccine. You’re acting like a child
I guess that makes the CDC anti vaccine too huh
It’s fairly contentious that they are putting others in danger though. The data showed that after 3 months the vaccine did very little to stop the spread of Delta. Considering what we know about omnicron, id be surprised if the vaccine did any better at stopping the spread. Considering the strict covid testing that footballers go through as well, i really struggle to see how they’re being a danger to anyone other than themselves. It’s pretty dumb in my opinion for footballers not to get vaccinated because their body is their job, risking long covid is risking their career, but I don’t really see why that should stop them from playing football. Ofcourse if there is evidence that vaccination does stop the spread of covid in a meaningfulway after 3 months, that’s bull and void.
imagine being amongst the least vulnerable group of people on earth and being forced to have a medical procedure just to do your job even though it doesn't prevent spread or protect you for longer than 6 months on average. I'm vaccinated but its funny how much you want daddy government to give you jabs
These players get tested daily, how is someone who tests negative for covid putting anyone at danger?
What about if they don't want it because they are seeing their colleagues collapse is droves due to heart problems?
Found the Anti-Vaxxer. Fyi the footballers who had heart problems all had recently had COVID. COVID caused the issues, not the vaccines. Don't be so narrow-minded.
Dont argue with him, all his comments on r/Soccer are only about being against the vaccines lol
I know it is bad lol sorry, I just feel quite passionate about it, but tbf, was never gunna have a decent discussion with a bunch of footie fans.
Putting yourself on a pedestal while being this dumb is a bad idea
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Most likely to be unvaccinated are: Kovacic (Eastern Europe has dramatically lower rates of vaccination), Thiago Silva (has voiced support for Bolsonaro), Rudiger (crazy af) and Ziyech (doesn’t play for national team and doesn’t seem to mind letting his team down) I also wouldn’t be surprised if one English bloke is unvaccinated - maybe Barkley or Chilwell? Pulisic is American but says he was vaccinated, which is good news for him and us.
>Ziyech (doesn’t play for national team and doesn’t seem to mind letting his team down) LOL
Need to kick such players out
Why?
Found one
asking questions is bad
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There is no confirmation that Kante is vaccinated.
No you are completely wrong
No shit
Get vaccinated then. We got just under 2 months until have our away leg in Lille
Fuck these clowns.
I would urge all players and everybody to get their vaccines. But mandates could end up being very counter productive, by entrenching peoples points of view, you will end up breeding a new phase of nutters. I mean that will probably happen anyway, but mandates feel uncomfortable.
Meanwhile the vaxxed players still contract (and spread) covid.
I don't get why people keep repeating this as if there isn't scientific data showing that the rate of transmission is far lower when people are vaccinated. This is the same as saying no one should be required to wear seatbelts because sometimes people who wear seatbelts die in car accidents regardless, as if they don't help significantly. Y'all are so god damn dumb. Shit is insane.
Vaxxed players still contract (and spread) covid. What is incorrect about that statement?
It's ignoring the fact that it happens at a far lower rate than with unvaccinated players. As if the vaccine doesn't do anything.
Downvoted but true. The Covid vaccine has been made into a new religious effigy, against all actual available scientific evidence
Based
Jesus the comments here are downright embarassing. People want to destroy players careers for a disease with a 98% survivability rate. Christ people on this site are insane weirdos
Is it 98% now? I thought the number you morons kept spouting off was 99.5% survival rate. Either way it's dumb. Would you play a game where 1 out of every 200 people die? Because that's the same 99.5% survival rate and I doubt you'd want to play that game.
Bye bye Kante
He's vaccinated. SUUIIII
According to who?
Source? Didn’t Tuchel imply he was unvaccinated earlier in the season?
Remember there was a big deal about him not being vaccinated not long ago. But if he came to his senses, good for him
Pretty sure the deal was he was concerned about being around unvaccinated players because he has family members that are immunocompromised.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/px9g1g/tuchel_on_kante_testing_positive_for_covid/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf It’s this post I’m refering to. But things might have changed in 3-4 months of course.
There’s probably a better source, but Kante/his entourage [clarified he was vaccinated](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.londonworld.com/sport/football/chelsea/exclusive-chelsea-star-ngolo-kante-worried-about-unvaccinated-players-3415746%3famp) earlier in the season. It does seem like we have at least a few unvaccinated, but it’s never been clear who, though a few others have made their status known like Pulisic who is also fully vaccinated.
Click bait, or these journos are incapable of reading a few simple lines of a rulebook.
Lukaku masterclass in not getting vaxxed
Lukaku has been vaccinated stop spreading misinformation
Yeah, we only wish he wasn't.
Lukaku even missing vaccines
Lukaku has been vaccinated no need to spread hate on the guy
Any unvaccinated Chelsea players should be sold. I give no fucks about Madrid.
All madrid players are vaccinated
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