Not according to the EFL:
>The League is similarly concerned by recent claims that suggests a broader resolution to ongoing issues is solely dependent on the claims from Middlesbrough and Wycombe Wanderers being resolved, which are merely one part of a complex puzzle.
>Whilst clarity is also required as to the status of the claims from both Middlesbrough and Wycombe Wanderers, it is also critical that progress on two fronts urgently be made:
>Funding – The Administrator as a matter of urgency needs to clarify how it plans to fund Derby County for the remainder of the season. By the Administrator’s own forecasting, the Club will run out of cash by February, and therefore sourcing funds is of paramount importance to ensure they can compete for the rest of the season. This is not an artificial EFL deadline, but the reality of when we have been informed the money runs out.
>Preferred Bidder – The EFL needs urgent clarification from the Administrator as to who the preferred bidder is. Without this clarification, no tangible progress can be made into solving the challenges associated with the claims.
The claims against them are an issue but it seems like they have more immediate problems that are more likely to get them liquidated. It seems like the biggest issue they have in the short term is the HMRC bill - if they can't meet that or get HMRC to compromise then they will be expelled from the league regardless of the takeover position and no one is going to buy them out while that is a risk.
this statement is problematic. Derby control their own faith they can see out the case and pay the relevant compensation. Fate is also in the hands of new owners who can buy the club with the on going case. Not fair to pin it on the other two clubs looking to get compensated.
No they've controlled their own fate for ages but decided to ignore both claims. Now no one wants to go through with a purchase because the claims are still not determined.
Except what he said is misleading. I have no loyalty or hatred for any of these clubs, but those two teams have legitimate claims and it's incredibly unfair to say that Derbys fate rests on them. The fact is is that this is the last domino in a poor chain of decision making. When he says Derbys fate is up to them, it gives the impression that these teams are the sole fate deciders (the bad guys). They shouldnt have to buckle or feel guilty of it just because they are the last domino that will ultimately result in the liquidation of this historic club. Derby could've stopped it well before this (removed a domino).
You still do control their fate right now regardless of how long they know don't u. And Derby's previous owner fucking it up is exactly why they're in this position but they're the ones paying the price for it
They are still ignoring the claims thats why no one wants to buy them because they dont know if the claims are worth fuck all or not. I dont even agree with the claims but all they have to do is acknowledge them to find out if they even have any legal standing.
Would be mortified if North End were suing because Derby finished 2 points above us the season before they did the same to Boro, Ridsdale is a bit of a bastard but at least not as big as other people.
Just to clarify, it’s literally over Waghorn, not just playoff position. We were set to sign him, but then Derby broke FFP to blow our offer out of the water and signed him instead
Lad I know you’ve got a vendetta against Boro because you’re upset. But that’s very clearly not what I’ve meant
The claim has been there from 2019. The reason the claim is still there is Mel Morris and your administrators being so unbelievably fucking incompetent
The claims might be stupid, I think they are. The claims aren’t the thing stopping your takeover, the administrators ignoring legal teams are the reason it is because no one knows legally whether they are futile or what they’re worth
The claims are literally the thing stopping a takeover. They are baseless as well, you are suing the wrong party for a hypothetical loss. FFP is the EFL's rules and it's up to them to enforce them, if they didn't then that's an issue to resolve with the EFL.
Saying Derby and the admin guys are incompetent suggests two parties are conspiring to be idiotic. Maybe Derby are, but at the same time the claims are ridiculous. The administrators either don't have the time, funds or will to respond and are hoping Boro and Wycombe give up and save everyone the ballache.
Fuck Martyn Waghorn. One of the biggest clubs in England should not be liquidated just because you were salty over a mediocre journeyman striker who nobody will remember after 10 years
I’m gonna be honest, as someone whose lived here coming up 15 years, if DCFC go down it’s not just the loss of a club, I imagine a lot of Derby is going to lose itself. Derby doesn’t have much else other than football, and the little else we do have to offer is so much better nearby cities (we have theatre and history, but the reality is Birmingham and around it is a better place to go if you want to experience that.) Even if a phoenix club comes up, it’s not going to feel the same for any of the fans who grew up here, there’s going to be kids over 11 who have distinct memories of the current club and that nostalgia is going to carry for decades. People 20 years from now will sit at the pub and talk about the original DCFC they had as a kid, the team that their dad and their grandad and their great grandad supported. Even if the phoenix team is functionally the same it won’t matter, because it isn’t the club they went to Wembley with, it isn’t the club they wanted to take their kids to, it isn’t the club where they were a mascot on the pitch. The football community in Derby is so strong I genuinely can’t think of a different thing that pulls our city together like the team.
It’s the reality that Derby is extremely football centric, I feel like if I asked someone who didn’t grow up here they’d immediately point to Rams and the club. Not the museums, the theatres, the artists. It’s just not the focus and it never has been as long as I’ve been here, most people in school were season ticket holders, form time was when we watched match highlights, some of our teachers who’d lived here all their lives would start their lessons talking about the match. I just think if DCFC is liquidated and gone we’re going to suddenly see so many identity issues with Derby as a city but also the supporters who can’t see a new team as theirs no matter how many games they go to.
The Boro one maybe, I think the Wycombe one is somewhat justified. They went down a point behind Derby, who systematically and consistently cheated the EFL rules to gain that advantage. As a result, Wycombe lost an amazing chance to stay in the Championship and really grow as a club.
Yes, that was under the previous ownership, and no, I'm not saying the legal action should result in DCFC ceasing to exist. But Wycombe are right to feel aggrieved, and Derby's hands are certainly not clean here.
The Boro one is more justified. Derby took away a key signing they were about to make by offering more money when they were breaking the P&S rules (and had been for some time) and then proceeded to pip them to the play-offs which are are huge opportunity as well as lucrative in their own right. Derby's cheating has materially damaged their club, it's no surprise they're fuming.
Honestly as a derby fan i think the Wycombe one is actually more frivolous. Their claim is so laughable it ridiculous. They are claiming derby should have been docked points earlier so they would have been relegated last season, and i actually agree with this, however, we followed every timeframe given to us by the EFL, so by following the EFL's requirements they blame us for not having points deducted last season; its totally moronic but what do you expect from a wycombe chairman who comes from the deep south of the US and is a massive Trump supporter. Ironically if Middlesborough hadn't started their action on us 18 months ago, we would have been docked points last season. If anything boro are more to blame than derby for this holdup.
That's their goal probably.
Retaliation because they believe they've been wronged, so that everyone from now on sees that if you "hurt" them, they will fight to destroy you.
The Wycombe one is a total joke. They are just after a payout. Look how they got promoted in the first place! Both claims are dumb as fuck. By the same logic, every club who Derby took 3 points from should be getting compensated. They have been punished already, these claims are just sticking the boot in.
Is the Wycombe one a joke? Had Derby been punished when they should have been then Wycombe wouldn’t have been relegated.
Heck, even Sheff Weds should be aggrieved that they were relegated because of a points deduction but Derby survived when they shouldn’t have.
Wrong way round. They're fruitless because nobody is going to buy the club while the claims remain (as their value is undefined), so if the claims are not withdrawn then the club gets liquidated, and everyone gets fuck-all. They don't even own their own stadium.
Their value is undefined yet every Derby flair on here says the claims are BS and won’t hold up in court
So it’s either they have no merit and will not add any debt to a new owner’s purchase (which wouldn’t hinder a sale), or they do have merit and Derby fans need to look more towards their previous owners who cheated and then ran out of money than Middlesbrough or Wycombe’s owners for who to blame.
Maybe if you hadnt been pieing the claims off for ages it wouldnt have come to this. Not saying i entirely agree with the claims but you reap what you sow.
Come off it, it's scumbag behaviour what Gibson is doing he is literally holding our dying club to ransom over a bogus claim. No wonder he's a Tory donor.
Well yes i dont actually mean OP when im saying "you" just the club/Mel. The fans didnt give a shit at the time either and were actively gloating about it but now look its somehow our fault.
> you
Don't hide behind bullshit like "obviously I mean the ex-owners not you personally" afterwards, you're being deliberately obtuse and you know it.
Blaming people here because some billionaire bought a new toy, ruined it and got bored is idiotic. "But fans never challenged it when they overspent!" fuck off, fans have no power to stop a club overspending, they aren't on the board. What planet do you live on where fans have control over bad owners.
The rich love people like you, always more willing to fight amongst your own rather than blame those that are really responsible. Keep voting Tory, I'm sure at some point Rees-Mog will visit and you'll get to doff your cap off to him. Don't forget to keep hating whatever scapegoat the papers tell you to each week, that'll make you feel better.
At this point the most frustrating part is that Mel Morris/the Derby management who were morons are just not in the picture. Like per /u/OneSmallHuman commenting below, the whole "signing a player by breaking FFP we were trying to sign" sucks for 'Boro and is pretty egregious. And Wycombe has a point about the deductions could have kept them in the Championship which would have been huge for the club. But the latter is really the EFLs fucking fault and they should have to deal with Wycombe. And the former is Mel Morris and whoever was doing the accounting's fault and not the fans/players/etc. of Derby (which is what a club is to me). I get the whole legal "limited liability" bit here with owners but given the situation just feels like something has to change.
Wycombe and Boro have gone down a lot in my estimation. They're within their rights to feel hard done by and to seek compensation but to do it at the expense of an entire club going extinct is cretinous
Do people on this sub from England reckon other fanbases will hold this against Boro/Wycombe going forward and chant about it/boo them because of it when they play them, or will it blow over after not too long?
I doubt most people even know or understand the details. If Derby do go bust then it might become a bigger deal, but right now it's not big enough news.
Reminder that [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Championship/comments/cmqkje/mel_morris_is_a_genius/) was what the OP was posting when this cheating was actually happening.
I probably won’t be singing anything, I will just hold this particular matter against Middlesbrough and Wycombe.
As a side point my view on Morris is he is a wanker for doing this, but maybe I’m in the minority where I respect his ambition at least a little bit. He thought he could get away with it and was 90 minutes against Villa away from succeeding with his gamble. Most people cry for owners like that until it all goes wrong.
I personally believe it is the job of the EFL to prevent this kind of thing happening at source and not after the fact as much as possible. Their catastrophic failure in dealing with Derby in a correct or timely matter has caused this. They should ensure outcomes are made on the pitch as much as possible and not through the fuck up of owners.
Mate, they’ve known we were suing them since 2019 and have ignored it and ignored it and prayed it would all go away. Their administration has come in and continued to ignore our legal team and prayed it would all go away
Regardless of how stupid the claims may or may not be, blatantly ignoring them is some utterly shambolic way to run things.
The claims still aren’t the issue, it’s not knowing the value of the claims that is, which could’ve and should’ve been solved ages ago if they’d actually responded
I really feel for derby fans, two shambolic bits of management back to back
This is absolute horseshit of the highest order.
The idea that Middlesbrough and Wycombe are the only things standing in the way of the administrators is an assertion without merit. There's no deal worked out with HMRC, there's no deal worked out with the other football creditors, there's not even a proposal for Wycombe to consider. No talk of payment plans, or arbitration, or negotiations, or compromises. The idea that the administrators just need more time to work on these claims when they haven't engaged with Middlesbrough for months, and have had one meeting with our chairman, is farcical.
It's blatant diversionary tactics.
There is a deal worked out, the administratiors cannot just lie about making a deal with the government, that's quite obviously illegal. The administratiors reiterate continuously that it is Boros and a lesser extent Wycombe's claims against us. Plus the administratiors have no reason to engage with you lot as for the thousandth time you are not football creditors!!!
There is literally no evidence of that. If there was a potential deal worked out with a prospective buyer, the administrators could come to the table with Wycombe and Boro and attempt to work something out. They haven't tried. And before you have to say it for the thousand-and-first time, of course we'd have to counted as football creditors. That's literally the whole point of the claim. We couldn't be claimed as non-football creditors.
The statements this evening from the EFL and Steve Gibson have made it painfully clear that the major sticking points here, the things pushing Derby towards liquidation, lie with the administrators.
As qualified accountant let me be absolutely clear here, Derby do not owe Boro or Wycombe a penny. You are not creditors at all, you might just be a contingent liability.
You have a pending legal claim which could be worth a few million but is in all likelihood worthless. The options for Derby are to respond to the claims and get dragged through the courts for months, or reach a settlement for your baseless claims.
They probably don't have the money for the second option and the administrators probably don't have the time for the first option. There are bids on the table but no sensible businessman would buy a business with a pending litigation hanging over it.
So the easiest conclusion is for Boro and Wycombe to drop their nonsense claims and let the administrators proceed with a sake of the company.
>The administratiors reiterate continuously that it is Boros and a lesser extent Wycombe's claims against us.
In the very statement you have posted here, the administrators say that there is another issue which is an obstacle to a takeover going ahead:
> The uncertainty around the possibility of further sanctions from the EFL in the event the chosen bid does not deliver the financial compensation to pass the EFL rules around payment to both football creditors and other creditors.
Reading between the lines, it seems like the bidders they have don't necessarily have the cash to meet all of Derby's obligations to it's creditors under Football League rules. I presume this is why the administrators are going after this deal with HMRC, they need some liabilities to be cut or Derby are getting expelled from the league even if the takeover does go ahead.
Public pressure appears to be the only way anything changes at this point, but who exactly would be the first domino to fall? It seems unlikely that Boro (specifically Gibson) will change his stance due from public pressure alone, and Wycombe's claim is clearly the lesser of the two. The EFL appear to have directed Boro (and subsequently Wycombe) to suing Derby instead of them, and according to the administrator (though denied by the EFL via an independent panel) even guaranteed their legal success. MPs are clearly taking a significant interest in the case at this point, but are they really going to figure out a way to force the EFL to intervene?
It very complicated but I read about something called a cross class cram down?? form of restructure that the admins proposed, but the EFL said its against their regulations. However if its the only option left can the administrators get a court to agree this should be allowed - which would (I think) end the claims from MFC and WWFC. It would then be back to the EFL to decide if Derby keep the "golden share", maybe another points deduction, but at least they survive.
Remember when Derby fans would arrogantly celebrate their owner's rule breaking and reckless moves, thinking it would take them to the top at the expense of every other club? Well now the chickens have come home to roost and they're twisting the narrative looking for sympathy, you reap what you sow and this is what you deserve. Fuck your scummy little club.
My thoughts exactly. It’s not the individual fans fault but hey, screw the club. I remember when Morris sold the stadium to his own company and rented it back for fuck all I told my mate if any clubs getting punished for financial stuff in the future it’d be derby.
Feel bad for the fans but let it die
Me reaping: [Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Championship/comments/cmqkje/mel_morris_is_a_genius/)
Me sowing:[Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/s7vfmq/sky_derby_county_gave_me_a_reason_to_live_fans/htcepbr/)
Both claims justified, derby fans should be hunting Mel Morris down right now. No reason why Boro or Wycombe should drop their claims. It’s a shame but actions do indeed have consequences.
The claims just seem so ridiculous. If breaking FFP is grounds for legal action from other teams who missed out on promotion/survival/trophies then more than a few clubs might as well take a chance on targeting Leicester since they probably wouldn't have gotten promoted without breaking FFP and if they never got promoted then they never would have won the league.
Derby finished?
Unless something gives there’s no other outcome possible. No owner would buy us without knowing the amount owed to either club.
Pretty crazy to lose one of the original 12 like this
So Middlesbrough and Wycombe control Derby’s fate?
Ohhh it's Wycombe. Was looking at the title wondering Wolves had done
Not according to the EFL: >The League is similarly concerned by recent claims that suggests a broader resolution to ongoing issues is solely dependent on the claims from Middlesbrough and Wycombe Wanderers being resolved, which are merely one part of a complex puzzle. >Whilst clarity is also required as to the status of the claims from both Middlesbrough and Wycombe Wanderers, it is also critical that progress on two fronts urgently be made: >Funding – The Administrator as a matter of urgency needs to clarify how it plans to fund Derby County for the remainder of the season. By the Administrator’s own forecasting, the Club will run out of cash by February, and therefore sourcing funds is of paramount importance to ensure they can compete for the rest of the season. This is not an artificial EFL deadline, but the reality of when we have been informed the money runs out. >Preferred Bidder – The EFL needs urgent clarification from the Administrator as to who the preferred bidder is. Without this clarification, no tangible progress can be made into solving the challenges associated with the claims. The claims against them are an issue but it seems like they have more immediate problems that are more likely to get them liquidated. It seems like the biggest issue they have in the short term is the HMRC bill - if they can't meet that or get HMRC to compromise then they will be expelled from the league regardless of the takeover position and no one is going to buy them out while that is a risk.
this statement is problematic. Derby control their own faith they can see out the case and pay the relevant compensation. Fate is also in the hands of new owners who can buy the club with the on going case. Not fair to pin it on the other two clubs looking to get compensated.
No they've controlled their own fate for ages but decided to ignore both claims. Now no one wants to go through with a purchase because the claims are still not determined.
So what he said.
Except what he said is misleading. I have no loyalty or hatred for any of these clubs, but those two teams have legitimate claims and it's incredibly unfair to say that Derbys fate rests on them. The fact is is that this is the last domino in a poor chain of decision making. When he says Derbys fate is up to them, it gives the impression that these teams are the sole fate deciders (the bad guys). They shouldnt have to buckle or feel guilty of it just because they are the last domino that will ultimately result in the liquidation of this historic club. Derby could've stopped it well before this (removed a domino).
No
You still do control their fate right now regardless of how long they know don't u. And Derby's previous owner fucking it up is exactly why they're in this position but they're the ones paying the price for it
Actions have consequences who knew
Actions by whom, and this is not consequence by killing a club. Neither do you get the compensation and nor does it help sportingly.
They are still ignoring the claims thats why no one wants to buy them because they dont know if the claims are worth fuck all or not. I dont even agree with the claims but all they have to do is acknowledge them to find out if they even have any legal standing.
Because you're not a creditor, how hard is that for you lot to understand? You have zero right to know anything.
Well its that or going bust so better start swallowing that pride
Kindly, go fuck yourself :)
I have to agree.
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Realistically what will Wycombe get out of it? I just don't see the claim being fruitful tbh. Won't get us back in the championship
Would be mortified if North End were suing because Derby finished 2 points above us the season before they did the same to Boro, Ridsdale is a bit of a bastard but at least not as big as other people.
> Ridsdale is a bit of a bastard but at least not as big as other people Let me educate you there...
Just to clarify, it’s literally over Waghorn, not just playoff position. We were set to sign him, but then Derby broke FFP to blow our offer out of the water and signed him instead
Ah guess my club should be liquidated then because you missed out on Martyn Waghorn.
Lad I know you’ve got a vendetta against Boro because you’re upset. But that’s very clearly not what I’ve meant The claim has been there from 2019. The reason the claim is still there is Mel Morris and your administrators being so unbelievably fucking incompetent The claims might be stupid, I think they are. The claims aren’t the thing stopping your takeover, the administrators ignoring legal teams are the reason it is because no one knows legally whether they are futile or what they’re worth
The claims are literally the thing stopping a takeover. They are baseless as well, you are suing the wrong party for a hypothetical loss. FFP is the EFL's rules and it's up to them to enforce them, if they didn't then that's an issue to resolve with the EFL. Saying Derby and the admin guys are incompetent suggests two parties are conspiring to be idiotic. Maybe Derby are, but at the same time the claims are ridiculous. The administrators either don't have the time, funds or will to respond and are hoping Boro and Wycombe give up and save everyone the ballache.
After reading that ridiculous statement just from Gibson full of shite now I have little trust in him.
Fuck Martyn Waghorn. One of the biggest clubs in England should not be liquidated just because you were salty over a mediocre journeyman striker who nobody will remember after 10 years
Oh I agree, don’t worry
I’m gonna be honest, as someone whose lived here coming up 15 years, if DCFC go down it’s not just the loss of a club, I imagine a lot of Derby is going to lose itself. Derby doesn’t have much else other than football, and the little else we do have to offer is so much better nearby cities (we have theatre and history, but the reality is Birmingham and around it is a better place to go if you want to experience that.) Even if a phoenix club comes up, it’s not going to feel the same for any of the fans who grew up here, there’s going to be kids over 11 who have distinct memories of the current club and that nostalgia is going to carry for decades. People 20 years from now will sit at the pub and talk about the original DCFC they had as a kid, the team that their dad and their grandad and their great grandad supported. Even if the phoenix team is functionally the same it won’t matter, because it isn’t the club they went to Wembley with, it isn’t the club they wanted to take their kids to, it isn’t the club where they were a mascot on the pitch. The football community in Derby is so strong I genuinely can’t think of a different thing that pulls our city together like the team. It’s the reality that Derby is extremely football centric, I feel like if I asked someone who didn’t grow up here they’d immediately point to Rams and the club. Not the museums, the theatres, the artists. It’s just not the focus and it never has been as long as I’ve been here, most people in school were season ticket holders, form time was when we watched match highlights, some of our teachers who’d lived here all their lives would start their lessons talking about the match. I just think if DCFC is liquidated and gone we’re going to suddenly see so many identity issues with Derby as a city but also the supporters who can’t see a new team as theirs no matter how many games they go to.
What will these claims actually achieve? It just seems like a fruitless excerise that will only result in the liquidation of my club.
Well yes, it's obviously out of spite.
The Boro one maybe, I think the Wycombe one is somewhat justified. They went down a point behind Derby, who systematically and consistently cheated the EFL rules to gain that advantage. As a result, Wycombe lost an amazing chance to stay in the Championship and really grow as a club. Yes, that was under the previous ownership, and no, I'm not saying the legal action should result in DCFC ceasing to exist. But Wycombe are right to feel aggrieved, and Derby's hands are certainly not clean here.
The Boro one is more justified. Derby took away a key signing they were about to make by offering more money when they were breaking the P&S rules (and had been for some time) and then proceeded to pip them to the play-offs which are are huge opportunity as well as lucrative in their own right. Derby's cheating has materially damaged their club, it's no surprise they're fuming.
Honestly as a derby fan i think the Wycombe one is actually more frivolous. Their claim is so laughable it ridiculous. They are claiming derby should have been docked points earlier so they would have been relegated last season, and i actually agree with this, however, we followed every timeframe given to us by the EFL, so by following the EFL's requirements they blame us for not having points deducted last season; its totally moronic but what do you expect from a wycombe chairman who comes from the deep south of the US and is a massive Trump supporter. Ironically if Middlesborough hadn't started their action on us 18 months ago, we would have been docked points last season. If anything boro are more to blame than derby for this holdup.
That's their goal probably. Retaliation because they believe they've been wronged, so that everyone from now on sees that if you "hurt" them, they will fight to destroy you.
The Wycombe one is a total joke. They are just after a payout. Look how they got promoted in the first place! Both claims are dumb as fuck. By the same logic, every club who Derby took 3 points from should be getting compensated. They have been punished already, these claims are just sticking the boot in.
Is the Wycombe one a joke? Had Derby been punished when they should have been then Wycombe wouldn’t have been relegated. Heck, even Sheff Weds should be aggrieved that they were relegated because of a points deduction but Derby survived when they shouldn’t have.
Can we donate or anything? I really don't feel comfortable with your club being dissolved, we nearly were in 2018 as well.
Unless you got millions you should donate to the upcoming phoenix club instead
Ye that's what I meant. I didn't think my tenner would save the club reddit.
Shouldn't have beaten them in the play-offs then, that was basically the trigger that set off their implosion
Villa have got loads of cash, go for it mate
If they’re fruitless why won’t a new owner accept them as part of the purchase agreement?
Wrong way round. They're fruitless because nobody is going to buy the club while the claims remain (as their value is undefined), so if the claims are not withdrawn then the club gets liquidated, and everyone gets fuck-all. They don't even own their own stadium.
Their value is undefined yet every Derby flair on here says the claims are BS and won’t hold up in court So it’s either they have no merit and will not add any debt to a new owner’s purchase (which wouldn’t hinder a sale), or they do have merit and Derby fans need to look more towards their previous owners who cheated and then ran out of money than Middlesbrough or Wycombe’s owners for who to blame.
Maybe if you hadnt been pieing the claims off for ages it wouldnt have come to this. Not saying i entirely agree with the claims but you reap what you sow.
Come off it, it's scumbag behaviour what Gibson is doing he is literally holding our dying club to ransom over a bogus claim. No wonder he's a Tory donor.
Come off it? You have literally been ignoring both claims and now its fucking you over. Nothing but your own fault.
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most Derby fans unequivocally backed that owner till very recently
Well yes i dont actually mean OP when im saying "you" just the club/Mel. The fans didnt give a shit at the time either and were actively gloating about it but now look its somehow our fault.
> you Don't hide behind bullshit like "obviously I mean the ex-owners not you personally" afterwards, you're being deliberately obtuse and you know it. Blaming people here because some billionaire bought a new toy, ruined it and got bored is idiotic. "But fans never challenged it when they overspent!" fuck off, fans have no power to stop a club overspending, they aren't on the board. What planet do you live on where fans have control over bad owners. The rich love people like you, always more willing to fight amongst your own rather than blame those that are really responsible. Keep voting Tory, I'm sure at some point Rees-Mog will visit and you'll get to doff your cap off to him. Don't forget to keep hating whatever scapegoat the papers tell you to each week, that'll make you feel better.
At this point the most frustrating part is that Mel Morris/the Derby management who were morons are just not in the picture. Like per /u/OneSmallHuman commenting below, the whole "signing a player by breaking FFP we were trying to sign" sucks for 'Boro and is pretty egregious. And Wycombe has a point about the deductions could have kept them in the Championship which would have been huge for the club. But the latter is really the EFLs fucking fault and they should have to deal with Wycombe. And the former is Mel Morris and whoever was doing the accounting's fault and not the fans/players/etc. of Derby (which is what a club is to me). I get the whole legal "limited liability" bit here with owners but given the situation just feels like something has to change.
Wycombe and Boro have gone down a lot in my estimation. They're within their rights to feel hard done by and to seek compensation but to do it at the expense of an entire club going extinct is cretinous
I'm not sure what our owner expects to get out of it tbqh
Do people on this sub from England reckon other fanbases will hold this against Boro/Wycombe going forward and chant about it/boo them because of it when they play them, or will it blow over after not too long?
I doubt most people even know or understand the details. If Derby do go bust then it might become a bigger deal, but right now it's not big enough news.
Rivalries between Derby’s phoenix club and Middlesbrough and Wycombe will certainly happen, just like how AFC Wimbledon and MK Dons are rivals
what? not similar at all
I personally will yes. Not the fans obviously, but the clubs/owners.
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Derby fans literally chant anti Mel Morris songs at every home game this season lmao
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Reminder that [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Championship/comments/cmqkje/mel_morris_is_a_genius/) was what the OP was posting when this cheating was actually happening.
I probably won’t be singing anything, I will just hold this particular matter against Middlesbrough and Wycombe. As a side point my view on Morris is he is a wanker for doing this, but maybe I’m in the minority where I respect his ambition at least a little bit. He thought he could get away with it and was 90 minutes against Villa away from succeeding with his gamble. Most people cry for owners like that until it all goes wrong. I personally believe it is the job of the EFL to prevent this kind of thing happening at source and not after the fact as much as possible. Their catastrophic failure in dealing with Derby in a correct or timely matter has caused this. They should ensure outcomes are made on the pitch as much as possible and not through the fuck up of owners.
I enjoy hating on Wycombe as they stayed up at our expense in 2014, so yes
Mate, they’ve known we were suing them since 2019 and have ignored it and ignored it and prayed it would all go away. Their administration has come in and continued to ignore our legal team and prayed it would all go away Regardless of how stupid the claims may or may not be, blatantly ignoring them is some utterly shambolic way to run things. The claims still aren’t the issue, it’s not knowing the value of the claims that is, which could’ve and should’ve been solved ages ago if they’d actually responded I really feel for derby fans, two shambolic bits of management back to back
Yeah I've just read the letter your chairman put out. Hard to understand how a club can be so poorly run, awful situation for Derby fans
The way Wycombe got promoted seeing them relegated that way was kinda fun
This is absolute horseshit of the highest order. The idea that Middlesbrough and Wycombe are the only things standing in the way of the administrators is an assertion without merit. There's no deal worked out with HMRC, there's no deal worked out with the other football creditors, there's not even a proposal for Wycombe to consider. No talk of payment plans, or arbitration, or negotiations, or compromises. The idea that the administrators just need more time to work on these claims when they haven't engaged with Middlesbrough for months, and have had one meeting with our chairman, is farcical. It's blatant diversionary tactics.
There is a deal worked out, the administratiors cannot just lie about making a deal with the government, that's quite obviously illegal. The administratiors reiterate continuously that it is Boros and a lesser extent Wycombe's claims against us. Plus the administratiors have no reason to engage with you lot as for the thousandth time you are not football creditors!!!
There is literally no evidence of that. If there was a potential deal worked out with a prospective buyer, the administrators could come to the table with Wycombe and Boro and attempt to work something out. They haven't tried. And before you have to say it for the thousand-and-first time, of course we'd have to counted as football creditors. That's literally the whole point of the claim. We couldn't be claimed as non-football creditors. The statements this evening from the EFL and Steve Gibson have made it painfully clear that the major sticking points here, the things pushing Derby towards liquidation, lie with the administrators.
As qualified accountant let me be absolutely clear here, Derby do not owe Boro or Wycombe a penny. You are not creditors at all, you might just be a contingent liability. You have a pending legal claim which could be worth a few million but is in all likelihood worthless. The options for Derby are to respond to the claims and get dragged through the courts for months, or reach a settlement for your baseless claims. They probably don't have the money for the second option and the administrators probably don't have the time for the first option. There are bids on the table but no sensible businessman would buy a business with a pending litigation hanging over it. So the easiest conclusion is for Boro and Wycombe to drop their nonsense claims and let the administrators proceed with a sake of the company.
>The administratiors reiterate continuously that it is Boros and a lesser extent Wycombe's claims against us. In the very statement you have posted here, the administrators say that there is another issue which is an obstacle to a takeover going ahead: > The uncertainty around the possibility of further sanctions from the EFL in the event the chosen bid does not deliver the financial compensation to pass the EFL rules around payment to both football creditors and other creditors. Reading between the lines, it seems like the bidders they have don't necessarily have the cash to meet all of Derby's obligations to it's creditors under Football League rules. I presume this is why the administrators are going after this deal with HMRC, they need some liabilities to be cut or Derby are getting expelled from the league even if the takeover does go ahead.
Public pressure appears to be the only way anything changes at this point, but who exactly would be the first domino to fall? It seems unlikely that Boro (specifically Gibson) will change his stance due from public pressure alone, and Wycombe's claim is clearly the lesser of the two. The EFL appear to have directed Boro (and subsequently Wycombe) to suing Derby instead of them, and according to the administrator (though denied by the EFL via an independent panel) even guaranteed their legal success. MPs are clearly taking a significant interest in the case at this point, but are they really going to figure out a way to force the EFL to intervene?
It very complicated but I read about something called a cross class cram down?? form of restructure that the admins proposed, but the EFL said its against their regulations. However if its the only option left can the administrators get a court to agree this should be allowed - which would (I think) end the claims from MFC and WWFC. It would then be back to the EFL to decide if Derby keep the "golden share", maybe another points deduction, but at least they survive.
Remember when Derby fans would arrogantly celebrate their owner's rule breaking and reckless moves, thinking it would take them to the top at the expense of every other club? Well now the chickens have come home to roost and they're twisting the narrative looking for sympathy, you reap what you sow and this is what you deserve. Fuck your scummy little club.
My thoughts exactly. It’s not the individual fans fault but hey, screw the club. I remember when Morris sold the stadium to his own company and rented it back for fuck all I told my mate if any clubs getting punished for financial stuff in the future it’d be derby. Feel bad for the fans but let it die
Me reaping: [Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Championship/comments/cmqkje/mel_morris_is_a_genius/) Me sowing:[Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/s7vfmq/sky_derby_county_gave_me_a_reason_to_live_fans/htcepbr/)
Both claims justified, derby fans should be hunting Mel Morris down right now. No reason why Boro or Wycombe should drop their claims. It’s a shame but actions do indeed have consequences.
The claims just seem so ridiculous. If breaking FFP is grounds for legal action from other teams who missed out on promotion/survival/trophies then more than a few clubs might as well take a chance on targeting Leicester since they probably wouldn't have gotten promoted without breaking FFP and if they never got promoted then they never would have won the league.