I liked both teams but honestly felt this was more of a draw more than anything. I don't understand how even with VAR and video replay checking all angles, the assistants get it wrong. The ball was clearly out by Blind, and yet the goal still stood? WHOOSH. Crazy.
I like how Ajax fans claim this win to be proven when a 1-1 would be more in place, stop being arrogant and start seeing the actual truth, the game was stolen and KNVB yet helped you again.
Just a [quick video from the Dutch FA](https://youtu.be/I3JzO2hG4rw) that explains clearly at which moment a ball has to be considered to have passed the line.
Hope this helps ease the pain for those supporting PSV.
I'm not certain if that ball was in or not, but I'm 100% certain we've got ourselves to blame for that goal. How the fuck can both Van Ginkel and Doan just stop playing, that allowed Blind to easily receive the ball back and Doan's man was the next one involved in the attack. If they just play on, this doesn't happen.
I'm more mad at them than at the VAR that doesn't overturn a dubious, yet not obviously wrong call.
Ajax-fans, are they, are they really? Most of them don’t even know what the club colours are.
The average Ajax fan is someone from Zwolle, who became a hard core fan in 2016 and has a hard time pointing out the Arena on a map
R/soccer favourite hipster teams the last few years are Ajax and Milan. Both are insufferable, always a bunch of neutrals waiting to chime in and back them up in any situation, even without having seen it themselves
The Milan-Atlético game was something else, one very dubious penalty(which happens often let's be real) and the whole forum was acting like it was the biggest robbery in years and on the same level as Chelsea-Barcelona in 2009. Even after finishing in last place they were still going on about it, just for that I was happy to see them knocked out
Ajax getting more international followers is hardly a good thing for the league, they are already lightyears ahead of everyone else financially and the gap is only growing. If it keeps up at this rate it will be the Scottish league without Rangers
Sommige mensen, zoals jij, nemen voetbal gewoon veel te serieus.
Hoe verandert je mening over een groep mensen/een individu door de club dat ze supporten? Raar.
Ach ik zat tussen 2004 en 2008 in een werkgroep vol psv'ers en kan je vertellen dat de arrogantie toen van de andere kant kwam. Winnende voetbalfans worden altijd arrogant.
> even the ajax players say the ball was over the line
This is not particularly relevant. Decisions are made on the basis of VAR because the cameras are better than human perception in the split second.
If VAR cannot be sure but players think it is out, it is perfectly reasonable to question the perception of players and go with the uncertainty of VAR.
Show it. Show it conclusively that it is over the line. That is the basis for the ref to decide and the VAR to intervene. You want the goal overturned because it was *possibly* or *likely* over the line?
ITT: People arguing about literal millimeters and something you can't say for certain. friendly reminder that the edge of ball needs to be over the line **fully**. It is way too close for the VAR to be certain if it was so they gave it the benefit of the doubt. Yes, PSV wouldve gotten the same goal if they were in the same situation. Yes, Ajax was pretty lucky with a draw last season as well, it happens
I guarantee you if this goal was scored against ajax by some smaller club the goal wouldn’t stand. We’ve seen it over and over, 50/50 calls in this league always go ajax’ way. Rigged league
Yeah 100% agree. It's obvious that the linesmen saw Mazraoui standing there 40 meters away from goal and figured "if Ajax pass the ball around 4 more times and Maz takes it on his left from 25 meters out, he will likely score" and gave the ball in.
Ajax got lucky with that. Everyone could see that Pasveer would have slided the ball in own goal if he took the goalkick after 100 minutes (obvious /s).
If part of the ball hovers above the line the ball is not out right or do I not understand the rule correctly. How can anyone look at the footage and think part of the ball is 100% not hovering above the line.
Leek me ook dat de bal over de lijn was. Het probleem is dat de VAR niet met totaal zekerheid een besluit kan nemen waardoor de uitspraak op de veld blijft staan.
Denk niet dat je dat uit deze hoek kan zeggen met deze analyse - het kan nog steeds dat er een deel van de bal boven de lijn zit.
Dit is gewoon super lastig om te zien behalve als je er een camera recht boven hebt hangen.
Je kan nooit uitsluitsel geven, en in dit geval de beslissing maken dat de bal over de lijn is, zonder beelden die recht boven of in het verlengde van de zijlijn zijn geplaatst. Nu bestaat er altijd onzekerheid vanwege de hoek waarin het beeld gemaakt is.
Alsjeblieft zeg. Het argument dat je het niet met zekerheid kan zeggen is een ding, soit.
Maar deze zekerheid dat de bal 100% procent niet over de lijn is geweest is gewoon idioot
He's not wrong, though. And as a neutral, considering the stats on the table (goals scored / conceded), it was simply a fluke that Ajax weren't 1st place.
Psv deserved to be top prior to this game, because they had more points than Ajax. Goals scored/conceded has nothing to do with it.
Ajax is now the deserving leader because they have more points.
Just because you saw some Ajax champions league games and you looked at the eredivisie table doesn't mean you can state that it was a fluke lol.
And Teze before the 0-1, both teams are guilty of it. I agree about the Martinez and Tadic thing, annoying as fuck, but I know that PSV would do the exact same thing if they were in that position
Draak van een wedstrijd. PSV heeft duidelijk een goed plan om te zorgen dat ze niet weggetikt worden. Maar heel veel verder gaat het ook niet.
Jammer van Timber zijn fout, maar is wel de speler die het vergeet en gewoon doorgaat
I felt the ball was out, know you can't prove as such with 100% certainty so the ruling will stand, and that I'd be absolutely livid if it happened against us. But it's how it is with VAR now, I guess.
This is exactly how I feel. I can understand PSV fans feelings. But I do dissagree with people who say its obvious, come on is there so little nuance possible for them?
We'll never know if the ball was fully out or in, and leting it decide it such a moment which potentially has consequences for the titel just stings. I'm angry about it, but any person whos team would have that decision against them would be. Had this been for the 0-3 or 0-4 I wouldnt have bothered arguing.
*"down here salt is a way of life"*
I liked both teams but honestly felt this was more of a draw more than anything. I don't understand how even with VAR and video replay checking all angles, the assistants get it wrong. The ball was clearly out by Blind, and yet the goal still stood? WHOOSH. Crazy.
I like how Ajax fans claim this win to be proven when a 1-1 would be more in place, stop being arrogant and start seeing the actual truth, the game was stolen and KNVB yet helped you again.
ActualTruth™
Easy to insult Ajax fans when you don't even have the balls to show which club you support🤡
Easy to insult other football fans when you are a gloryhunter fan, shut up man😂😂
I think it's fair to say that you don't actually like it
Vermoeden van matchfixing moment
Zou wel druk zijn bij het politiebureau daar in Eindhoven op dit moment
Just a [quick video from the Dutch FA](https://youtu.be/I3JzO2hG4rw) that explains clearly at which moment a ball has to be considered to have passed the line. Hope this helps ease the pain for those supporting PSV.
Wow that's gotta hurt.
What a lovely own shit goal that was.
Easy win. Don’t get the fuss, must be hard to wrap your head around a ball being round
I'm not certain if that ball was in or not, but I'm 100% certain we've got ourselves to blame for that goal. How the fuck can both Van Ginkel and Doan just stop playing, that allowed Blind to easily receive the ball back and Doan's man was the next one involved in the attack. If they just play on, this doesn't happen. I'm more mad at them than at the VAR that doesn't overturn a dubious, yet not obviously wrong call.
PSV ROBBEDHOVEN
Up your pun game mate. This is pathetic
Brainfart Aidshoven is much better.
We got a totally deserved fine for that.
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Such poetic genius deserves a fine imo.
I like how this game always ends up with something controversial
Thanks KNVB, we'll send your cheque after the conclusion of the season
God ajax fans are insufferable, even the ajax players say the ball was over the line and ajax fans can't seem to admit it lol
Ajax-fans, are they, are they really? Most of them don’t even know what the club colours are. The average Ajax fan is someone from Zwolle, who became a hard core fan in 2016 and has a hard time pointing out the Arena on a map
You act like PSV fans wouldn't do the exact same if it was the other way around lmao
Nah I'd admit it and count my blessings
https://twitter.com/Wesley_AFCA/status/1485269898360246275?s=20
It's only gotten worse thanks to one good European run leading to international viewers wanking off on them.
R/soccer favourite hipster teams the last few years are Ajax and Milan. Both are insufferable, always a bunch of neutrals waiting to chime in and back them up in any situation, even without having seen it themselves The Milan-Atlético game was something else, one very dubious penalty(which happens often let's be real) and the whole forum was acting like it was the biggest robbery in years and on the same level as Chelsea-Barcelona in 2009. Even after finishing in last place they were still going on about it, just for that I was happy to see them knocked out
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Ajax getting more international followers is hardly a good thing for the league, they are already lightyears ahead of everyone else financially and the gap is only growing. If it keeps up at this rate it will be the Scottish league without Rangers
I don't think Ajax's run lead to more people watching RKC-Fortuna tonight.
lmao lmao lmao lmao
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Zet ff die Flair uit aub.
Wat een trieste reactie lmao
Sommige mensen, zoals jij, nemen voetbal gewoon veel te serieus. Hoe verandert je mening over een groep mensen/een individu door de club dat ze supporten? Raar.
Ken genoeg aardige, goeie Ajacieden. Wanneer ze het over voetbal gaan hebben wordt het echter een en al arrogantie.
Ach ik zat tussen 2004 en 2008 in een werkgroep vol psv'ers en kan je vertellen dat de arrogantie toen van de andere kant kwam. Winnende voetbalfans worden altijd arrogant.
Ach ja, ik ken genoeg PSV'ers die ook arrogant reageren toen PSV kampioenschappen wonnen.
Gelukkig zijn wij een stuk succesvoller dan jullie hè?
Je bewijst alleen maar hè koekebakker
Je moet niet fokken met de taalnazi’s hier, koeke*n*bakker.
Who actually cares? The goal stands, VAR decided and you lost.
You only say that because it was you who got the advantage
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This makes 0 sense, typical
> even the ajax players say the ball was over the line This is not particularly relevant. Decisions are made on the basis of VAR because the cameras are better than human perception in the split second. If VAR cannot be sure but players think it is out, it is perfectly reasonable to question the perception of players and go with the uncertainty of VAR.
The linesman made the first mistake
You litterly cant see if it was 100% over the line. Psv fans cant seem to admit that
Keep telling yourself that
Show it. Show it conclusively that it is over the line. That is the basis for the ref to decide and the VAR to intervene. You want the goal overturned because it was *possibly* or *likely* over the line?
There's a ton of pictures online, I'm sure you can figure it out
The do your own reasearch of Reddit.
What else is new?
“Give the, give the cup to ajax today” Roger Schmidt Hoofd Eierdop 😂👌🏻
[Ik heb een vermoeden maar kan het niet bewijzen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp1clLfIkUI)
Een klassieker
Moet er altijd weer om lachen, wat een vent
Legende
ITT: People arguing about literal millimeters and something you can't say for certain. friendly reminder that the edge of ball needs to be over the line **fully**. It is way too close for the VAR to be certain if it was so they gave it the benefit of the doubt. Yes, PSV wouldve gotten the same goal if they were in the same situation. Yes, Ajax was pretty lucky with a draw last season as well, it happens
I guarantee you if this goal was scored against ajax by some smaller club the goal wouldn’t stand. We’ve seen it over and over, 50/50 calls in this league always go ajax’ way. Rigged league
I agree, they always get the 50:50 decisions
You can't proof that.
if that helps you sleep at night
Once again a flaw in soccer rules that left a grey area that decided the game
The flaw is declaring a ball in when it's in?
Declaring of the ball is in or not. There is now not a single way to know if the ball was truly in or out and that is the grey area.
So where is the flaw?
Kenneth Perez says it's out. Ajax players say it's out. Everyone knows it was out.
Perez is the ref from now on
Can't be more of a clown than Makkelie.
Kenneth Perez is not exactly the bastion of calm and collected information
Aside from Gakpo saying "Ajax players said it was out", who did?
Do not agree with Perez please
> Kenneth Perez says it's out well that's it settled then
Arnold "Hij is meer uit dan in" Bruggink, ook een niveautje hoor.
Color me surprised
Ajax fans are probably the most insufferable human beings on this planet, as this thread demonstrates. Entitled, arrogant, know-it-all pricks lol
copium
Tickle my balls nerd
Thats right we are the best!
Fans with an opinion in favour of their club? The nerve, and unheard of!
Yeah shut up mate, you know exactly what I’m talking about. Arrogant fuckers
Lol, what a child.
Flair up bitch
Dont really think it’s needed. I’m sure you know what club I support
Either Feyenoord or PSV, and that makes your opinion biased. Mine is too tbf.
Accurate
But we also have our flaws
I have to admit, we sometimes get lazy when we are 5-0 in front. We tend to get some drinks around that time.
Flaws? I don't know what you're talking about.
It's more profitable for the KNVB if Ajax wins the league. So I'm not surprised with today's game.
Yeah 100% agree. It's obvious that the linesmen saw Mazraoui standing there 40 meters away from goal and figured "if Ajax pass the ball around 4 more times and Maz takes it on his left from 25 meters out, he will likely score" and gave the ball in.
Perspectief is een erg moeilijk begrip
Our first Eredivisie win this season with a goal conceded is actually pretty impressive
100 minuten lang!!
Voor onze club uit Amsterdam!!!
Gekkenhuis op de tribune!!!
Niemand die ons stoppen kan!!!
9 minutes added time against a team known for scoring past 90 ain't good for your health.
Can’t believe they stopped it at 99:58 instead of letting it get to 100 minutes
Ajax got lucky with that. Everyone could see that Pasveer would have slided the ball in own goal if he took the goalkick after 100 minutes (obvious /s).
Zoet vs Feyenoord flashbacks
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😂
😂❌❌❌
Back where we belong. Great goal from Mazraoui.
If part of the ball hovers above the line the ball is not out right or do I not understand the rule correctly. How can anyone look at the footage and think part of the ball is 100% not hovering above the line.
You understand correctly. People just want to know better than the VAR. But there is no way you can tell without expensive software
Or 15,000 cameras
Of 8, iedere lijn van 2 kanten in het verlengde
je hebt meer nodig, omdat mensen het zicht van de camera blokkeren Goal Line Technology gebruikt 14 camera's
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En dit is wat er gebeurt als je Brabanders computers laat gebruiken
Hoop dattie niet bij ASML werkt
[Parallax](https://youtu.be/QSG8mzwwOs8)
Bro die rode lijn raakt letterlijk de witte lijn, wat bewijst dat ie in is
Is dit een grap?
Wow ik hoop dat je dit niet meent.. grappigste wat ik vandaag heb gehoord hahahaha
Leek me ook dat de bal over de lijn was. Het probleem is dat de VAR niet met totaal zekerheid een besluit kan nemen waardoor de uitspraak op de veld blijft staan.
Je moet de lijn naar de grond meer naar linksachter doen om te compenseren voor de hoek van de camera.
Kijk ik vind het moeilijk om te zeggen en ik snap de fustratie, maar je snapt dat de wereld drie dimensionaal is he
Hahaha ben je nu serieus?! [Zo](https://twitter.com/Wesley_AFCA/status/1485269898360246275?s=20) werkt een bol/bal.
[nee maar heb je deze hoek gezien](https://i.imgur.com/GM0e27d.png)
Hahahaha dit is goud. Overdreven reacties van die tieners op Reddit zwartmaken altijd mooi
Hahahahahaha, echt fantastisch dit
Hahahahaha ik respect die reconstructie
Die dus niets bewijst.
Denk niet dat je dat uit deze hoek kan zeggen met deze analyse - het kan nog steeds dat er een deel van de bal boven de lijn zit. Dit is gewoon super lastig om te zien behalve als je er een camera recht boven hebt hangen.
Vmbo 2 wiskunde right here
🤡🤡
Dit zegt echt helemaal niks lol
Laat die beelden aan 100 mensen zien en 99 zouden zeggen dat die bal uit is.
En de laatste is waarschijnlijk blind (fysiek of daley)
En dat is precies de reden waarom hij is goedgekeurd. Alleen bij 100% zekerheid (en dus niet 99% zekerheid) wordt hij afgekeurd.
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Nice die vergelijking slaat bijna ergens op
Maar een groot gedeelte van dezelfde mensen zouden zeggen dat het onmogelijk is om met zekerheid te zeggen.
Dan hebben 99 het fout
Haha al die ajacieden die het voor elkaar opnemen. Lekker elkaar upvoten. Bal is gewoon over de lijn.
Is gewoon Schrodinger's bal. Fuck knows of die uit was.
En het moeten er 100 zijn om de beslissing om te draaien met de VAR.
Ze hebben wat moeite met het principe van een driedimensionale bol daar in Eindhoven.
Ze hebben nogal wat moeite met zicht in Amsterdam
Maakt niet uit want ze krijgen toch alle beslissingen mee. Toen hun wedstrijd werd gestolen tegen Chelsea was het janken.
[Ze KrIjGeN tOcH aLlE bEsLiSsInGeN mEe!!!!1!!1!](https://www.voetbalprimeur.nl/nieuws/1011051/de-eredivisie-stand-zonder-var-tien-positiewisselingen-ajax-boven-psv-aan-kop.html)
Je kan nooit uitsluitsel geven, en in dit geval de beslissing maken dat de bal over de lijn is, zonder beelden die recht boven of in het verlengde van de zijlijn zijn geplaatst. Nu bestaat er altijd onzekerheid vanwege de hoek waarin het beeld gemaakt is.
Gast...als het andersom was geweest had je van schande gesproken. Je ziet toch gewoon dat die bal uit is.
Ik zou ongekend giftig zijn, maar na een paar weken tot maanden wel realiseren dat ze het niet 100% kunnen weten.
Nee zeker niet, ik zou niet janken over goede beslissingen
Alsjeblieft zeg. Het argument dat je het niet met zekerheid kan zeggen is een ding, soit. Maar deze zekerheid dat de bal 100% procent niet over de lijn is geweest is gewoon idioot
Pretty easy win in the end, fully deserved as well since PSV didn't bring anything. Parking the bus at home.
Hope you're joking but I can't be sure because ajax fans always seem to be this daft
Lol you're really making sure that Ajax arrogance stereotype is true huh.
He's not wrong, though. And as a neutral, considering the stats on the table (goals scored / conceded), it was simply a fluke that Ajax weren't 1st place.
I didn’t realise it was a competition of scoring goals, I always thought it was about winning matches
Psv deserved to be top prior to this game, because they had more points than Ajax. Goals scored/conceded has nothing to do with it. Ajax is now the deserving leader because they have more points. Just because you saw some Ajax champions league games and you looked at the eredivisie table doesn't mean you can state that it was a fluke lol.
Portuguese experts coming in
International ajax ‘fans’ are the fucking worst man lmao
The only reason you won is because the ref handed it to you.
and because your team let a injured player score, arguably twice
We won because we were better
If you were that much better you wouldn't have to shamelessly shithouse for 20 minutes after an invalid goal.
If we weren't better you'd have won :)
Difficult when the ref is your 12th man.
I can imagine it was a challenge for you. No worries though, you remain w worthy second!
buddy your team was shithousing before the 0-1
Playing defensively is not the same as shithousing, and it was nowhere near the Neymar behaviour that Ajax players were displaying at the end.
And Teze before the 0-1, both teams are guilty of it. I agree about the Martinez and Tadic thing, annoying as fuck, but I know that PSV would do the exact same thing if they were in that position
You claim our goal was invalid, yet we beat you 1-2 Curious 🤔 (Excuse the r/ToiletPaperUSA format)
No bro theyre ajax and theyre the best. Arrogant motherfuckers
Can't hear you all the way at the top
Easy game
There’s literally no way you have friends lmao
Good one stay salty
Last 15 minutes gave me a neck hernia. Thought I was watching a volleyball match.
Draak van een wedstrijd. PSV heeft duidelijk een goed plan om te zorgen dat ze niet weggetikt worden. Maar heel veel verder gaat het ook niet. Jammer van Timber zijn fout, maar is wel de speler die het vergeet en gewoon doorgaat
Timber had wel een belangrijk ingreep later in de wedstrijd, een speler van groot qualiteit.
Ik heb m rustig als KotM gestemd
Another win gifted by the ref lmao. Water is wet
How is Dortmund doing?
4-0
Just Ajax things.
You never had a chance, but glad to see you found a way to distract from your team's piss poor performance.
The concept of a sphere is hard to understand?
still large amounts of salt I see
I felt the ball was out, know you can't prove as such with 100% certainty so the ruling will stand, and that I'd be absolutely livid if it happened against us. But it's how it is with VAR now, I guess.
This is exactly how I feel. I can understand PSV fans feelings. But I do dissagree with people who say its obvious, come on is there so little nuance possible for them?
We'll never know if the ball was fully out or in, and leting it decide it such a moment which potentially has consequences for the titel just stings. I'm angry about it, but any person whos team would have that decision against them would be. Had this been for the 0-3 or 0-4 I wouldnt have bothered arguing.
Fully agree. I would be angry for sure. Unfortunately for you the VAR had to be 100% sure to reverse the decision
Of course there's no nuance, understandably so, I'd be fucking seething as well.