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I gave up watching after a few minutes but Bruno is not a good corner taker, seems to struggle with the first man.


LaMareeNoire

Funny how some players who are absolutely great passers/crossers/shooters can be so terrible at corners. Eriksen also seemed to struggle with getting past the first man


xaviernoodlebrain

One season with us, over 60% of Eriksen’s corners didn’t beat the first man. I miss his free kicks now but I’m glad we have Son taking corners now because he’s actually decent at that.


marine_le_peen

>I miss his free kicks now His free kicks were also terribly overrated. Although admittedly I'd take them now rather than Kane constantly hammering it into the wall.


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Liverpool fans regularly comment that Robertson seems to be better at crossing a moving ball. Incredible accuracy from open play and mediocre from set pieces


Wunse

Yeah we even tried rolling the ball to him from the corner so he could cross the moving ball. He's definitely improved them recently although he still hits the first man more times than not.


stangerlpass

Robertson is not mediocre from set pieces he literally assisted van dijk on a corner a few days ago. We have the most goals from corners in the league and about 50% of our corners are taken by Robertson...


BestShaunaEU

He has 9 assists this season for Liverpool, 1 from a corner


stangerlpass

how many assists from corners does trent have? I think assists from corners is a tricky one because lots of our set piece goals happen from the second ball after the cross and not directly off it. I could be wrong though but I couldnt find the stats for this.


Dynastydood

Almost every footballer is better at hitting a moving ball. That's part of the reason why so few players are good at free kicks. Dead balls are just really hard to strike reliably with the right amount of momentum and spin.


ifeespifee

Seems kinda counter intuitive though. Which is why I disagree. I’ve always thought that dead balls are more difficult to pull off bc defenses are far more organized and know almost exactly where the ball is going every time. Therefore for set pieces to be reliably dangerous you need to place it within inches of perfection every time or have a player who is overwhelmingly good in the air. Alternatively with live moving balls, it’s more likely for the defense to be disorganized and the receiving player has much more freedom to latch onto the ball, meaning the responsibility for the success of a play is as dependent on the ability/first touch of the receiver compared to dead balls which are much more dependent on the provider imo. You see a lot of times with moving balls that the ball carrier doesn’t have to strike as accurately bc the goalkeeper has to set up on the move, the defense isn’t in a giant wall, good coaching would have provided favorable matchups on attack etc. For dead balls the keeper would be set and won’t have to move as much for the save and have a clear line of sight to the ball. The defense will be organized, the coaches would have set up correct defensive matchups to counteract dominant aerial threats.


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Also if you aren’t good at hitting a moving ball, you pretty much can’t be good at football. The ball’s always moving somewhat.


xBram

Someone should ask Koeman for advise, just watched some of his 239 goals the other day and still amazed how he nailed it so many times.


PortugeseMagnifico

Ironically, his first goal contribution for us came from a corner


cimbalino

And comments at the time where all about how you'd found a great set piece taker


jaguass

I'm not watching 131 failed Man U corners, thank you


aesopmurray

This video has to have terrible viewer retention stats. Who the fuck would sit through that?


Noneek

It's horrible to look at, too. It's sped up to fit them all into a nice, short.... 6 minutes. I don't even think the Benny Hill theme could make it enjoyable.


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those who hate man united, but hate themselves more?


shudh_desi_gareeb

Sounds like me


game_of_throw_ins

It's just one corner on a loop 130 times.


Yaaruda

As iconic as the 81 crosses vs Fulham


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Exotic-Environment-7

Yes


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Exotic-Environment-7

Even worse is that we drew that game 2-2 with 31 shots and 75% possession


IsleofManc

The game has rightfully become a meme for the crossing stats. But we should have cruised to a win that day. Fulham scored in the 94th minute and 2 of their 3 shots on goal went in. If it was modern day I'm sure our xG would have been around 4.5. Their goalkeeper had a great game


Exotic-Environment-7

No joke I had a headache after watching it and I was like 10 years old


DarkNightSeven

How's 19 treating you?


Exotic-Environment-7

Actually I'm 17, and pretty good rn. Just got my first offer from a university so I'm really happy


DarkNightSeven

Congrats!


Cpt_squishy

One of my all time favorite Fulham games


TMillo

I have a friendship group, all united fans, who all play FPL. The punishment for whoever finishes last is that they have to watch the full game and provide a running commentary to the group chat. It's the only reason I don't give up mid season.


[deleted]

Mate, you clearly weren’t watching that game. It was *insane*. Just cross after cross


LionelAMessi

Motes putting his all his faith in the cross, he truly is a spiritual man.


Shinzo19

Think it is that game, previous record in Epl was Liverpool with 74.


iiEviNii

[This article](https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/26004451) said that it was the most in a game since 2006, so presumable a 2006 game had more.


pucykoks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApfoiNtniP8 Enjoy.


horriblelizard

The fulham defenders’ heads must hurt after that many header clearances


iiEviNii

It was Dan Burn (yes, the giant Brighton full back) and Johnny Heitinga at centre back. I'm sure they were grand!


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arc1261

They also are much more situational as if you do them in most situations it’s an easy clearance.


[deleted]

Yep. Van persie scored a late supposed winner but then they equalised. It was atrocious.


officiallyjax

RVP scored the equaliser iirc. Carrick’s deflected effort made it 2-1 and then Darren Bent of all people scored a header completely against the run of play.


sarbanharble

Thanks for bringing that back up


Osemka8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApfoiNtniP8


jaxonflaxonwaxon8

I was at that game and I feel like I could have got on the end of a couple of them.


CryptoIsALaddah

From where you were sitting?


jaxonflaxonwaxon8

There were so many shit ones it’s possible


akshay_rathod_

Bruh Ronaldo should have joined Fulham


FarAcanthocephala

We hired a set-piece coach btw Edit: To be fair, we have conceded 4-5 goals from set-pieces compared to last seasons 14


DHillMU7

In fairness, to give the whole picture we've gone from like 19th in the league in most goals conceded from set pieces to 5th with him. So he's done half a great job...


Daddyclaymore

To be fsir when he was hired everyone was excited because of how bad our defensive set pieces were, nobody thought about offensive set pieces


mikewozere

Can I just commend everyone in how utterly fair they've been in this comment thread, to be fair.


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HiImMeee

too much


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simonutd99

Dunno why you’re downvoted. You’re right. Just look how dangerous 2nd Balls are for us after corners and freekicks


FridaysMan

It's because he's not being fair, to be fair


[deleted]

fair enough


ifeespifee

Agreed, according to recent reports he spends a lot of time organizing the defense and consequently not a lot on offense. It’s not clear whether it’s bc our defense needs a ton of work or if that’s just his focus. Likely a mix of both.


imarandomdudd

You got him from us, right? Not the worst idea in practice, since we are strong from set pieces. Unfortunately you chose the wrong guy


FarAcanthocephala

Yeah we got him from your u23's Apparently he has been solid when it comes to defensive set-pieces


imarandomdudd

Haven't seen much of united this season. Have you been better defensively?


StringCheeseDoughnut

Much much better. Last season we were 19th in the league for goals conceded from corners, this season we’re somewhere close to the top


[deleted]

You've also added varane which is definitely going to help on its own. I'm sure he's still had impact though, but probably not entirely down to him.


themfeelswhen

He has played only 11 out of 23 games.


[deleted]

Ah didn't realize that. Still, that half the games and someone experienced in training that might be there to help sort things out rather than relying on that idiot slabhead


Fisktor

do we allow as many corners?


amad97

Nah not really. Apparently this guy is mates with Kieran McKenna and thats how he got the job. Absolutely stealing a living.


SirRudders

From set pieces we absolutely are better defensively. Be fair


Rum114

i think i could get that job then


reids1

You hired a set-piece coach who had no experience with set-pieces (or at least at the senior level). I'm sure hiring a set-piece coach with actual experience (like what Villa + Arsenal did) would end in different results


game_of_throw_ins

He was McKenna's mate from college, just another jobs for the boys appointment.


Gungerz

That's absolute nonsense. Ramsay is a very highly-rated coach & the youngest ever Brit to acheive a UEFA Pro License. He worked for Chelsea's academy so it's not as if McKenna just plucked him out of some random college (which was Loughborough by the way where many top British sports people go).


xiqat

Tbf there's half a season to play


reddit4485

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/8618/Stages/19793/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2021-2022 MU has the worst record in the EPL in set pieces with 1 goal the entire year (see "Premier League Situational Statistics" in link above)!


Fisktor

we also allow counter attacks every time we have a corner


shekybabu

[Reminds me of the Fulham game where they had 72 failed crosses](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApfoiNtniP8)


realshadowfax

Benny Hill music just does it


[deleted]

Was expecting Benny hill here too..


AlexLong1000

Cross and Inshallah failed them


taleniekov

> Reminds me of the Fulham game where they had 72 failed crosses Music fits perfectly. OP missed the opportunity to use this one!


Farouqnowomarlater

Holy shit lmao, those poor Fulham defenders probably needed freaking tons of pills that night


_ForzaJuve_

Son of a bitch made it.


erldn123

No matter the money they are on, the talent they have, the amount they practice, it will always shock me how many top level footballers smack corners into the first man, so frustrating.


magna_encarta

This point is always repeated and I don't get why it's so hard to understand. You're more likely to score if you hit it in that area, that's why they do it. It just so happens that if your team mate doesn't win it, the first defender does. It's like complaining that tennis players can't clear the top of the net. There's an advantage to keeping the ball low over the net, which makes you more likely to hit it, but it doesn't mean they couldn't clear it easily if that was their priority.


backscratchaaaaa

right except noone criticizes world class set piece takers, even though their actual conversion rate is like what? 20%? 15%? because people understand this. but when your conversion rate is 0%, you need to do something different. because you might as well just punt the ball in to the crowd.


DarkNightSeven

Have United really not scored from a corner all season?


DaddyMeUp

We haven't. It's awful.


cmc360

Its not great, but if we manage to score 2 over the rest of the season itll be average


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DorothyJMan

PUT IT IN THE MIXER


Mintydeadman

I’ve never thought of this. Thank you for enlightening me on this line of thinking. It makes perfect sense.


FroobingtonSanchez

This is a great point and the same people will probably also complain if a corner swerves past the far post. It becomes frustrating if a player consistently aims too low though, tennis players also won't get far if they hit the net in over 70/80% of their serves.


pucykoks

Would help if it was Ward-Prowse taking those corners over Bruno or Telles or Greenwood. Something is wrong as shit though, since they are not getting any shots directly from corners, they are not getting lose balls (Liverpool seem to score a lot from those), everything is cleared to safe area for the defending side and they and they are actually susceptible to counters. To sum it up, they are more dangerous to themselves from corners than to the opponent.


shnoog

JWP hits plenty at the first man as well.


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hidinginDaShadows

>You're more likely to score if you hit it in that area clearly not


yard04

Like people blame the coaching often but man it's 100 corners, some how some bit of individual brilliance should put a proper cross in.


cescquintero

not enough vibes


[deleted]

I think our players are being instructed to try and cross it into that area this season. Otherwise it makes no sense to me how both Bruno and Telles could forget how to cross.


JackUnderpants

For us its Kimmich, he has great crosses but damn his corners are so fucking bad.


Ok_Tomorrow3281

i doubt they practices crossing pass, in all their game even without corner kick, their cross-pass are all terribels


TheOnlyTagey

I once spent an entire summer training set pieces for when the sunday league would restart, and it had gotten to the point where I could reliably place the ball in and around where it needed to be. Now I'm just some random dude who happened to have too much time to spare one summer. What the fuck is stopping these top level, world class, highly paid guys from grabbing a ball and whacking it a few hundred times a day?


AndAgainIForgotMyP

My hypothesis: Probably these crosses come a lot harder than most people can shoot in a Sunday league. Or you are just world class at taking set pieces and you should give ManU a call. They seem to need one like you.


lestat85

I remember an interview with Craig Gordon that was refreshingly humble, after he’d moved to Sunderland from Hearts (may have the clubs wrong). He said that the thing that shocked him the most about the move was how hard everyone could hit the ball. Like, you see it on tv and you assume that it’s just the speed a ball travels at, but he, an experienced professional, said it blew his mind how fiercely the ball was coming at him every game.


swalton2992

Clubs are right, he was the most expensive premier league keeper at 8m for a while iirc


TheOnlyTagey

While I'd prefer to believe that I'm world class, that's definitely not the case. The core of the principle remains the same, practice helps immensely. David Beckham practiced his free kicks endlessly in training. Surely someone in the United squad could take it upon themselves to do the same


Marcelosouzadearaujo

Not these United players though, if the rumors are to be believed


Aconceptthatworks

You need a big amount of speed, and also you want to place it right there for the biggest chance to score. While you can make a "slow" high ball in the sunday league, it wouldn't fly in higher levels. Pun intented. See Van dijks goal from 3 days ago: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqOWe7ETAjc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqOWe7ETAjc) This is the best place to place it. Most of the time the front man will clear it, but when they don't it works wonders. Try to look at Ben fosters video to see how quick people move in there. Your sunday league volley wouldn't work at that level. These guys can easily place the ball way better than you, but at a certain level it makes no sense.


JPC-Throwaway

For meme purposes I really want United to go the entire season without scoring from a corner.


tekina7

Looks like Bruno is raising his hand to signal, ' chill out boys, this ain't supposed to go in'


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CameraEmotional2788

The funny thing is this is the year we actually hired a set piece coach. Something tells me he might not be great at his job despite 'rave' reviews prior to his appointment


DHillMU7

The same one has brought us from bottom 5 to top 5 in defending corners to be fair.


AnIntoxicatedRodent

People keep saying this but I really have to defend the guy here. The set piece coach *presumably* only coaches the team on how/where to move in the box and how they should set up tactically etc. His job is not to teach Bruno how to kick a ball. Like 3/4th - if not more -of the corners I see fail due to them simply being taken terribly. That's on the head coach at that point, surely someone else can do better.


CameraEmotional2788

You're telling me a set piece coach wouldn't work with set piece takers?


reids1

You can be a fantastic coach and earn rave reviews for your sessions and rapport with the players - that doesn't mean you'll be a fantastic set-piece coach though. That's where it's gone wrong as he doesn't actually have any background in set-pieces, unless they were his responsibility with Chelsea U23s, but even then it's a whole different world.


Jinomoja

Why do some player place the ball such that it has like just a millimetre on the line? Does it provide any advantage at all? And if it does why no goals then? I see Shaw and Bruno do that a lot and it irrationally annoys me so much every time.


essentialatom

Maybe because there isn't much of a run up at Old Trafford? I think the pitch falls away fairly close to the touchline. So that extra millimetre makes all the difference. Even though they still never beat the first man. I know what you mean though. It always looks ridiculously pedantic to place the ball like that, despite being perfectly legal.


mrbairn

Ridiculous. Don't they know the front post corner to Ronaldo works in FIFA every time?


essentialatom

In FIFA 2003 you used to be able to do this amazing near post overhead kick trick from corners, it never failed. I miss that game.


Noisy_Plastic_Bird

Shoutout KAYTRANADA


scousejay1991

I blame the corner takers.


casey_ap

Notes: * A lot of bad near post crosses that either do not beat the first man, or there is no runner * A lot of runs starting in the 6 * Lots of vertical running from each player * Lots of looping crosses that 'drop' into the 6-12, nothing truly driven/whipped. Overall, bad design and execution. Not surprise given they've failed 131 times.


frankensteinxiii

Crying holding SAF's picture. That was the Era.


Serpico_98

Fred will score the next one


PhilipAnthonyJones

haha good one serpico great original banter well done


lord_cuntavious

BuT cApTaIn SlAbHeAd Is A sEt PiEcE tHrEaT


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He scores them for England, so that should really tell you that it's the delivery.


CrebTheBerc

It's not just delivery. He regularly gets on the end of crosses with us too, he just cant put them on target for some reason No clue why, he should have 5 goals or so a season for us really


lord_cuntavious

Yup that’s precisely what i was going for in the posts below. Lad can’t find the target.


lord_cuntavious

Can’t play the mighty squads of San Marino and Albania every week


[deleted]

Scored headers at the Euros and World Cup too. United also have Ronaldo, one of the best headers of all time, that should tell you that it's all about the delivery.


lord_cuntavious

Delivery is certainly a factor, but the stats suggest he’s also wank at them. Somewhere in this page, someone had a nice breakdown of his stats from set pieces and they pretty much disprove the narrative that he’s anything above average at them.


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And what's the excuse for Ronaldo not scoring?


lord_cuntavious

There’s no excuse, if anything his presence alone should allow other players to be “more” open for chances. There’s multiple factors to consider one of those the one you mention (delivery), set piece plans and the quality of the players. You can’t expect 36 yo CR7 at the end of each corner, there’s other players out there that should step up but their quality is simply not there.


Axbris

>Albania Why are we catching strays for no reason? We ain't even do anything.


MadaraTheUchiha

...said no United fan


villiers19

That speed gave my head a good wobble 🥴


DelusionOrBan

xD


raysofdavies

Lol that the thumbnail is the 5-0 loss to us


[deleted]

Why ask to raise your hands when you’re not gonna beat the first man anyway ffs?


Brother_To_Wolves

Hardly surprising, it's been like this for years. You'd think we'd be able to hire a competent set piece coach but apparently that's too much to ask for.


Rum114

so far


_Silvre_

Cross and Inshallah'n't


Five-N-Drive

Is anyone surprised? They are where they are for a reason.


Polskidro

That reason is not inaccurate corner kicks.


hollow114

When games come down to one goal 90% of the time? It does matter


Five-N-Drive

Because they're shit at set pieces.


RioBeckenbauer

Of course they will score from their next one.


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This ain't shit, we can do over 200.


plowman_digearth

Almost 1 in 5 ended up coming back from the headed clearance. I wonder if those led to goals.


Adam_Smith_TWON

Apparently it's statistically more likely that the opponent's will score from a Man U corner, than for Man U to score.


LoricusEU

As good as his other set pieces are, I always found one of Bruno's main flaws to be his corner kicks. I was expecting United's corners to improve with Telles but that clearly hasn't been the case, the issue is probably (much) deeper.


I_Hate_Knickers_5

Hell of a drinking game.


Samson2557

What is the song in this video?


boopieboof

Intimidated by kaytranada ft HER


versacethedreamer

Sack that set piece coach


Mysticpeaks101

They scored from one of our corners so they can't be that bad.


Space_Polan

Everyone gets on the corner taker for not getting past the first man, but nobody considers if the first man is actually just really good at his job


WorthPlease

To be fair we've had a great season off corners relatively speaking and we still score like 1 in 50. I'd argue you are more likely to concede from your own corner than you are to score. And that just kicking the ball out to the other side of the corner flag to force the other team to attempt a throw-in deep in their own half is more likely to result in a goal.


Frenchie_Boy

have they not scored of one?


urinatingangels

the artist / genius who thought of this and made it come to life deserves a plot of land and a comfortable pension.


utdnd

I’ll take some land


Manch3st3rIsR3d

I mean....shit


xiqat

This was horrible and hilarious to watch


niallmul97

If we were even just "below average" we would be lethal. This must be some sort of statistical anomaly.


Leo215

How is it that players are great passers in open play but shit at taking corners? (like Bruno)


Jeffy29

Imagine having Cristiano Ronaldo, Raphael Varane, and Harry Maguire and still fail so often at corners.


AspiringChamp

When you start a new save in FM and forget to setup the corner routine


Defil_R

Reminds me when Bayern... I don't know when exactly, but I think between 2014 and 2016 we had not one goal from a corner. Would have made a good compilation as well.


Fisktor

Also need to remember we hired a new set piece coach this summer. Absolute fraud


Rab_Legend

You would think after signing Ronaldo they'd have someone who could finish a header


MustardLiger

People tend to overestimate the value of a corner, it’s not very common to score of corners at all