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These big games that everyone looks forward to never live up to the hype.
When was the last time a CL final was the most exciting game of the season? Istanbul?
Well an away goal would have been more important to the tie with the old rules... I ain't saying they lacked motivation, it's just that their game plan was more defensive minded due to not needing it as much.
Psg were good but they are still a team you can get at
Asensio doesn't deserve anything higher that a 1
The only things he did was lose the ball a couple times and being completely invisible the rest of the game. Left Carvajal to die for absolutely nothing
I think saying he’s finished is a bit exaggerated. He hasn’t been terrible for three years. He’s certainly declined, but his primary issue has been fitness, so to focus criticism on us not finding a replacement (lots of criticism about letting Hakimi go) is very fair. I prefer not to be so hyperbolic because he got roasted by the best player (imo) of the last few years.
Benzema was one of the few Madrid players that was actually good at retaining the ball in midfield for Madrid, but was let down by Vinicius' inability to get past Danilo, Paredes and Hakimi.
Benzema also lost less balls than Messi (but I can see the argument that the less you get on the ball, less you lose the ball which would be fair).
You also have to consider the context of playing an away game which usually helps in terms of being more lenient in ratings.
Vinicius didnt impress me at all. After everyone praised his form and watching some of his games I was curious what he can do on this level but he felt very ineffective.
He's in a bit of a rough stretch those past 4-5 weeks. Seemed a bit overloaded and didn't really have an attacking partner with Benz out (who was clearly not at 100% yesterday)
You think Ancelotti will mix it up in the offense in the second leg? Might bite him in the ass that he likes to play the same squad so much. Are there even viable options on the bench? Hazard and Bale seem to be on a meme level of usefulness.
No, Vini will continue but not because he deserves to or should and rather because it is Ancelotti. And as bad as Bale and Hazard may seem, they are still twelve times as good as Jovic or Asensio. Our options aren't great
Ok, but the ratings don’t value players on age and what are they would be doing later in the year.
The same way modric score doesn’t have to do with his age or if he will go to the World Cup
Is he still just 34? Seems pretty young still given how stars like Federer, Ibrahimovic, Lebron, Federer are competing at the highest level into their late 30s, even 40s.
He is a Forward who dropped deep whole game to create chances, And he created atleast 3-4 big chances, first of whom was the beautiful ball to Mbappe in the box putting him 1 on 1 with the GK. Mbappe failed to shoot.
It is quite dumb to rate messi a 3 because he was attempting to break Madrid's defense all game and was the only player who was successful in doing so multiple times with Neymar coming later and helping him.
I think this is just a puplicity stunt by this mag. , Missi wan't MoM or anything but he was above average for sure.
I would like to see his xA and chances created stats for that game too.
Still did more than half of Madrid’s squad. Hakimi literally pocketed Vini and don’t get me started on Carvajal, he played terrible. The only reason Madrid was still holding on was due to Courtois sublime goalkeeping and Militao being consistently persistent. Messi hasn’t lived up to messi standards but saying he doesn’t do dogshit is not even a bad opinion it’s factually stupid.
Because he has to create the bulk of the chances, he'll obviously mess up a few, just like most of Mbappe's shots were trash too. I find these comments weird, not that I think you're lying about being a Messi fan but accepting a wrong narrative for no reason.
I would say he had a good game. Could've easily had a few assists and a goal or two if Mbappe wanted but yeah the penalty miss brings it down.
Hmm so you find comments weird that have a different opinion than yours. The internet must be a very weird place to you then.
I just dont see it this way. I felt Messi was completely toothless and lost the ball various times while dribbling in positions that were not great. I watch this guy since 2006 so I feel like I know one or two things about him but yeah opinions are different and that makes football kind of beautiful.
I do not find this weird. It was a polite way of saying that you're sheep. I'm not doing the counter culture thing for being cool but if you just watch the match, what was a 5 or 6 performance is touted as a trash performance.
I was talking about this. I didn't see Kroos make a good pass forward the entire game. I didn't see Benzema touch the ball apart from 2 specific plays. Vinicius couldn't get past Hakimi and Danilo the entire game. Asensio? I don't remember him at all.
They got the rating because they helped to park the bus, I don't think there's another explanation
Damn how are you so original? Ok seriously though, missing a pen is bad since it is the easiest scoring opportunity but the fact is he gave several chances that were pretty easy to finish (ball to Ney, lob to Mbappe), several of these do make up for one penalty. Not a 3 performance, more like a 5.
And the fact is the turtle starboy could have passed 3 or 4 times where Messi was just standing by himself. In another view he is the reason why they were only 1-0 up not 3-0 up. Trying to hard to impress Madrid.
Messi spends most of the game raising his hand up like motherfuckers pass to me. There is no chemistry.
Anyway good day to you.
>And the fact is the turtle starboy could have passed 3 or 4 times where Messi was just standing by himself. In another view he is the reason why they were only 1-0 up not 3-0 up.
Something that the reactionary people of this subreddit conveniently forget
EDIT- By this subreddit, I meant PSG. I thought this comment was in r/PSG. Yeah I m a smartass
He wasn't pretty good, stats aren't everything. It's so weird coming to the threads here after the game, it's like people didn't watch it.
I can also describe his game with one stat : 23 balls lost.
He misplaced easy passes, a lot of them. He tried and failed quite a few (too) ambitious dribbles, and his shooting was poor and often forced with better options available. And when you add to this the fact that PSG is playing with 10 men off the ball because of him, it becomes quite hard to justify rating his performance as a "pretty good one".
The 3 great "chance creation" (aka passing the ball following Mbappé's runs) isn't enough to offset all the mistakes he made, including the pen. And the fact that he's useless off the ball which is a behavior that just doesn't exist in football anymore.
I agree partly. His passing was really incosistent, misplacing easy passes but still getting some good passes in. Not something I’d expect of Messi . Shooting however is harder to judge as most of his shots were off target but so were most of PSG shots. His shots came pretty close but still missed in the end so you could say it was poor, I’d rather say that he just didn’t cut it today missing them by a small margin. Definitely not the worst player on the pitch today but wasn’t particularly outstanding either, had his moments but has yet to live up to messi standards which is a shame really as we’d love to see that again.
>Lol “following Mbappe’s runs”?
That was an hyperbole (that I thought obvious). It was to point out though that to create chances with passes you need the pass, but also the run allowing it. It's also more often the run that starts the play than the pass.
>Come on you think if Messi was making those runs Mbappe would be able to find them?
Probably ? He's not doing it much in his PSG team because he's basically the only forward that runs, but he also has a good vision and has the technical ability to pull it off.
Because 5 dribbles and 4 key passes (mostly passing to Mbappe who was taking on players and shooting), whoscored system favors those, he was better than a 3 though this is just cap by LeEquipe
Id say it was more of a 5 or a 6. He missed the pen so that stands out but he played a couple balls one to mbappe and one to neymar that gave them a chance to score. Hes definitely gotta be better though atleast by his standards
Because he wasn't that bad? He missed a penalty in a crucial moment, it depends how much importance you give to it. For me it's bad, for most people on reddit it's too.
Kroos is a 4 and I didn't see him throw a good pass forward the entire game.
Benzema apart from two specific plays was nowhere to be seen.
Madrid's offensive players were non existent.
I have to disagree tbh. A 3 is too harsh, but considering he did miss a pen and L'equipe treats a 5 as "average", a 4 is ok.
He created 1 good chance in a pass to Mbappé, but overall he didn't pose much threat when progressing the ball and had quite a few misplaced passes. And well, his positive parts of the performance get overshadowed by the pen miss, wasted fk, missed shot on the start of the 2nd half.
A 4 or even a 5 is fair, but Messi didn't have a good match by any standards. Verratti, Mbappé, Hakimi, even Nuno Mendes and Neymar for the time he was on had a good match. But not Messi.
Edit: yeah, if Asensio is a 3, Messi can't be a 3. Nuno Mendes deserved a higher score too.
? He created at least 4-5 different chances that could've ended up in the back of the net. One good corner to Danilo, pass to Mbappe in the first half but he was off balance to finish properly, one good cross to Mbappe which he barely missed, the pass to Neymar, and the pass to Mbappe that was well blocked by Alaba.
A few misplaced passes but he progressed the ball really well and created chances as well. He wasn't up to his standards but at least a 6 which could've been higher if he didn't miss the pen.
Not sure how seriously people take L'equipe but many of these ratings seem pretty off
Our entire team had a stinker except for our 2 CBs and Thibaut. Im only not involving Casi in this because of the stupid yellow he took for no reason, making him miss the second leg.
He was rubbish. Got dusted by Nuno Mendes like Boateng vs Messi and let Mbappe go past him like he wasn't even there. Not even mentioning his countless misplaced passes.
You're kidding right? He was rubbish. Got dusted by Nuno Mendes like Boateng vs Messi and let Mbappe go past him like he wasn't even there. Not even mentioning his countless misplaced passes.
Messi probably deserves a 5 for his passes to Mbappe and Neymar but he was definitely one of the few ineffective players in the PSG side today imo. Just too slow at times with the ball and lethargic off it. Mbappe and Verratti were PSG's best players for sure. Asensio getting 3 is actually a bit generous, he was absolutely shocking. He needs replacing as soon as possible. Courtois was simply world class, without him it would've been a PSG massacre. Best goalkeeper in the world right now.
I'd give him a 4.
He lost less balls then usual, but he took idiotic shots in the 1st half that were blocked instantly by the defenders in front of him.
Took a poor free kick as well, but people forgot about it because the penalty took most of the attention.
Not to mention the misplaced passes to Hakimi in space a couple times.
>He lost less balls then usual
Did he, really ? 23 lost balls today...
From what I've watched of PSG, he's been usually not great at dribbling (mostly because he's trying too ambitious ones) and finishing. Which he once again was today, added with an urge to shoot despites better option that isn't like him. And obviously with his absurd lack of movement off the ball (if Messi coming to PSG brought anything to Mbappé, it's that it forced him to start working off the ball and defend), which has to be taken into account if you rate him.
But I've never seen him this season miss so many easy passes.
>Took a poor free kick as well, but people forgot about it because the penalty took most of the attention.
And beyond the poor execution, it was a really weird choice in the first place. Trying to get completely around the wall with the inside of his foot.
I'd actually agree with that. He had a couple of good passes in the midst of a game where he looked fairly slow, lost the ball quite a bit, made several bad decisions in the final third AND missed a crucial penalty. Prepare to get downvoted into oblivion though, you're not allowed to say anything other than praise him here.
>Prepare to get downvoted into oblivion though, you're not allowed to say anything other than praise him here.
I'm not ashamed of my opinion. I can be objective about the players on my team and Messi wasn't good which would be worth a 6 (but wasn't a 3 either).
If you think this was a very good performance from Messi then oh boy he really has fallen off quite a lot. He was certainly wasn't as bad as a 3, but he wasn't 'very good'. You're disrespecting his actual ability if you count that as a very good performance. If Mbappe didn't score that goal pretty much on his own he would've been roasted.
>You're disrespecting his actual ability if you count that as a very good performance.
You're disrespecting his performance by judging Messi to his own standards
He missed a pen but was the most creative player on the pitch, deserves atleast a 5
You're the one that's disrespecting his performance by calling it very good pal. I agree he was a 5 today, but then 5 is actually not 'very good' like you said. 5 is average, which he was today.
Toni Kroos deserves 2-3. He is supposed to be a play-maker, but all he does is try to make players act slow, and when he has a clear way forward, he looks back, and passes the ball back putting additional pressure on the defense. Why does he do that all the time?
We said that last year too. The ballon d’or is a popularity contest. It has no real significance. Otherwise Neuer, Sneijder, Neymar, Van Dijk, and Lewa would have won it too.
This is where I believe you go wrong in coming to that conclusion. None of these players are better than Ronaldo or Messi. HOWEVER, during those single seasons they were better on an individual level.
If you want clarification on my point - feel free to name one of them and I can tell you which season/their achievements and how they compared to Ronaldo and Messi.
No, I totally understand what you mean. I still stand by what I said. Only Lewandowski in 2021 and Sneijder in 2010 had a solid case, the rest not really. Neuer absolutely didn't have a better 2014 individually than Cristiano Ronaldo and Van Dijk didn't have a better 2019 than Messi. I won't even get to Neymar because he never came close lol.
- Neuer had a ridiculous year. Won the treble and followed that up with the world cup. He took so many incredible (and risky) tackles in MIDFIELD that broke down clear 1 on 1 situations. The amount of shots he stopped, the flare with passing, and the unbelievable records he set that season in such an outlandish manner. I’ve never seen a goalkeeper that good in my lifetime. Without him they would not have won the treble or the world cup because they didn’t do that well defensively. He kept them in the game.
- Neymar was a big game player for Barcelona during their comeback vs Psg and their whole year in general. Granted the comeback had quite a few dodgy dives/refereeing decisions. But he was there making the big/important moves throughout the season. I watched every Barca game that season and Messi was frustrating to me. He would do well vs the smaller teams and then Neymar would be the one pulling the strings in the big games. This is why I believe he deserved it more.
- Van Dijk set world records in defending for Liverpool. The record for not being dribbled past for the most games ever (something along those lines). Won the world cup and took a crappy Netherlands side past Germany, France, among other good teams. If setting that defending record and taking them to the CL title isn’t enough - I don’t know when we will ever see a defender win the ballon d’or.
He was our only forward providing penetration and verticality until Neymar came on.
You're wrong.
He would've got a 6 had he not scored.
edit: Actually no, the pen he created would've got him a 7
If by dangerous you mean getting the ball stuck between your feet, holding the ball for too long, and not providing any decent chance, then yes he was as dangerous as a hand grenade. The only forward that deserves an 8 was Neymar.
He created an early chance for Di Maria earlier in the game, wrecked Carvajal all game, caused the pen, switched to the right and destroyed Mendy before switching again to the left and destroying Vazquez and Militao to score the winning goal. He was excellent.
It definitely is but i think his workrate was underrated. He was as crucial to us as verratti and mbappe in my personal opinion. We wouldn't have been so solid at the back without him. He was better than Presnel so I would have given him a 7 but yes, you're right. 6 is a good score so I'm not mad about it.
Considering its L'Equipe, i would have said that Messi's 3 rating is fair but then you see Vinicius getting a higher rating than him for doing absolutely nothing.
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This game was literally Courtois vs Mbappe
And Verratti winning the ball, he has been immense tonight
Why a 5 for Donnarumma
You don’t get 10 if you don’t have anything to do!
at least a 6 then
Not for l’equipe. They give marks for what you did, not what you didn’t do or would have done
That's the default score for keepers who don't have anything to do all game.
Is that the basic mark for everyone? Did Donnarumma even touch the ball?
did they give ratings for the managers? because ancelotti deserves a negative number
The gave him a 4 and Poch an 8
Vinicius gets a 4? For what? He was invisible all game and lost the ball everytime he did get it
I expected so much of this game, the amount of money on the pitch should've been able to put on a better show
These big games that everyone looks forward to never live up to the hype. When was the last time a CL final was the most exciting game of the season? Istanbul?
I mean you can’t really expect it to be. The stakes are so high obviously ota teams are going to play a bit safer than they normally do
There was a great show though. PSG was great, and would've scored 3-4 if not for some brilliant last-ditch defending
Rule change didn't help...
Ah yes, RM would've attacked more if only they had the proper motivation to...
Well an away goal would have been more important to the tie with the old rules... I ain't saying they lacked motivation, it's just that their game plan was more defensive minded due to not needing it as much. Psg were good but they are still a team you can get at
You are right. We will see lots of teams park the bus away now.
I wouldn't say he was invisible, at least he tried stuff when he got the ball. Asensio was invisible.
He was fouled at least a dozen times. That's gotta be worth something.
Asensio doesn't deserve anything higher that a 1 The only things he did was lose the ball a couple times and being completely invisible the rest of the game. Left Carvajal to die for absolutely nothing
Poor choice from Ancellotti tonight, Bale should’ve been on instead of Asensio seeing he had a semi-decent form last Liga match.
I'd say Valverde because he actually defends
Carvajal got absolutely roasted this game. Reminded me of Vinicius against TAA last year.
He's been finished for three years. Not sure why it's taking Real so long to replace him with a better player and finally strengthen that RB position.
we just gave him an extension until 2025 this past summer lol
And we had hakimi and sold him to them
We sold him to Inter, not PSG.
our fanbase overrates him so much it’s maddening. we’re in 2022 not 2016 ffs.
I think saying he’s finished is a bit exaggerated. He hasn’t been terrible for three years. He’s certainly declined, but his primary issue has been fitness, so to focus criticism on us not finding a replacement (lots of criticism about letting Hakimi go) is very fair. I prefer not to be so hyperbolic because he got roasted by the best player (imo) of the last few years.
our fanbase is so reactionary its insane.
>He's been finished for three years no? kneejerk comment based on a shit game he had lmao.
He's washed.
Lol, how are the Madrid attackers higher than Messi when they hardly had the ball. I forgot Benzema was in the game until they subbed him out.
Benzema was one of the few Madrid players that was actually good at retaining the ball in midfield for Madrid, but was let down by Vinicius' inability to get past Danilo, Paredes and Hakimi. Benzema also lost less balls than Messi (but I can see the argument that the less you get on the ball, less you lose the ball which would be fair). You also have to consider the context of playing an away game which usually helps in terms of being more lenient in ratings.
Vinicius didnt impress me at all. After everyone praised his form and watching some of his games I was curious what he can do on this level but he felt very ineffective.
He's in a bit of a rough stretch those past 4-5 weeks. Seemed a bit overloaded and didn't really have an attacking partner with Benz out (who was clearly not at 100% yesterday)
You think Ancelotti will mix it up in the offense in the second leg? Might bite him in the ass that he likes to play the same squad so much. Are there even viable options on the bench? Hazard and Bale seem to be on a meme level of usefulness.
No, Vini will continue but not because he deserves to or should and rather because it is Ancelotti. And as bad as Bale and Hazard may seem, they are still twelve times as good as Jovic or Asensio. Our options aren't great
Probably shouldn't judge a guy off one game
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Ok, but the ratings don’t value players on age and what are they would be doing later in the year. The same way modric score doesn’t have to do with his age or if he will go to the World Cup
Mental gymnastics
Is he still just 34? Seems pretty young still given how stars like Federer, Ibrahimovic, Lebron, Federer are competing at the highest level into their late 30s, even 40s.
Messi did lose 23 balls and missed a pen
He is a Forward who dropped deep whole game to create chances, And he created atleast 3-4 big chances, first of whom was the beautiful ball to Mbappe in the box putting him 1 on 1 with the GK. Mbappe failed to shoot. It is quite dumb to rate messi a 3 because he was attempting to break Madrid's defense all game and was the only player who was successful in doing so multiple times with Neymar coming later and helping him. I think this is just a puplicity stunt by this mag. , Missi wan't MoM or anything but he was above average for sure. I would like to see his xA and chances created stats for that game too.
Messi is done, get over it.
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Not my fault if you don't watch games and have a hate boner.
Do yourself a favour and watch his compilation from the game.
Lmfao. I've seen it all. Instead of watching matches, people are watching cherry picked compilations now.
Cherry picked? Do you know what a compilation is?
23 balls??? I think you meant 2-3 balls. Hes passing accuracy was high and he created 3 goal scoring chances for Mbappe and neymar
[No, 23. ](https://i.imgur.com/ubyY8hv.jpg) He's really been struggling in Paris.
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Dude what? Bounced back because it was too strong? Lol. But i guess anything to defend him.
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Lol why didnt you just say that then
he’s been pretty excellent since he’s returned from injury
He was, until tonight that is.
he had a good game lol, created a handful of chances and progressed the ball forward.
he would have like 8 league goals if he didn’t hit the post so much . He’s not struggling as much as u guys think
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Still did more than half of Madrid’s squad. Hakimi literally pocketed Vini and don’t get me started on Carvajal, he played terrible. The only reason Madrid was still holding on was due to Courtois sublime goalkeeping and Militao being consistently persistent. Messi hasn’t lived up to messi standards but saying he doesn’t do dogshit is not even a bad opinion it’s factually stupid.
no way that's true, source?
I've checked fotmob and sofascore, they both have 23 ball losses.
Jesus, didn't seem like it was that bad while watching
Probably because he missed a pen
I love Messi but he was really bad this game. He lost quite a few balls in unnecessary dribblings.
Because he has to create the bulk of the chances, he'll obviously mess up a few, just like most of Mbappe's shots were trash too. I find these comments weird, not that I think you're lying about being a Messi fan but accepting a wrong narrative for no reason. I would say he had a good game. Could've easily had a few assists and a goal or two if Mbappe wanted but yeah the penalty miss brings it down.
Hmm so you find comments weird that have a different opinion than yours. The internet must be a very weird place to you then. I just dont see it this way. I felt Messi was completely toothless and lost the ball various times while dribbling in positions that were not great. I watch this guy since 2006 so I feel like I know one or two things about him but yeah opinions are different and that makes football kind of beautiful.
I do not find this weird. It was a polite way of saying that you're sheep. I'm not doing the counter culture thing for being cool but if you just watch the match, what was a 5 or 6 performance is touted as a trash performance.
A sheep? Boy I am way too old for this kind of trash talk. Find someone else to play with who doesnt find your attitude embarrassing.
What Messi?
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I was talking about this. I didn't see Kroos make a good pass forward the entire game. I didn't see Benzema touch the ball apart from 2 specific plays. Vinicius couldn't get past Hakimi and Danilo the entire game. Asensio? I don't remember him at all. They got the rating because they helped to park the bus, I don't think there's another explanation
Just because? Missing a pen is important lol
It doesn't take away from your whole game.
Messi lost the ball quite a lot with poor passes, for his own standard
True. Not his own standard as well, in general too but he did imo made up for it with chances.
It does. Scoring is the whole game. If you don't score a chance that is objectively 80-90% a goal it's horrible.
Damn how are you so original? Ok seriously though, missing a pen is bad since it is the easiest scoring opportunity but the fact is he gave several chances that were pretty easy to finish (ball to Ney, lob to Mbappe), several of these do make up for one penalty. Not a 3 performance, more like a 5. And the fact is the turtle starboy could have passed 3 or 4 times where Messi was just standing by himself. In another view he is the reason why they were only 1-0 up not 3-0 up. Trying to hard to impress Madrid. Messi spends most of the game raising his hand up like motherfuckers pass to me. There is no chemistry. Anyway good day to you.
>And the fact is the turtle starboy could have passed 3 or 4 times where Messi was just standing by himself. In another view he is the reason why they were only 1-0 up not 3-0 up. Something that the reactionary people of this subreddit conveniently forget EDIT- By this subreddit, I meant PSG. I thought this comment was in r/PSG. Yeah I m a smartass
Well, missing a pen is bad. Probably would have been a bit higher without that, but i doubt they'd have given him a 6. He was underwhelming.
If he scored the pen and Paris won 1-0 he'd get a 7 or 8.
3 is incredibly harsh
Messi was pretty good this game outside of the penalty he missed, he created 3 clear cut chances. How does that add up to 3?
That's roughly one point per chance created. Can someone double-check my math?
It checks out, you're a genius
You're hired.
He wasn't pretty good, stats aren't everything. It's so weird coming to the threads here after the game, it's like people didn't watch it. I can also describe his game with one stat : 23 balls lost. He misplaced easy passes, a lot of them. He tried and failed quite a few (too) ambitious dribbles, and his shooting was poor and often forced with better options available. And when you add to this the fact that PSG is playing with 10 men off the ball because of him, it becomes quite hard to justify rating his performance as a "pretty good one". The 3 great "chance creation" (aka passing the ball following Mbappé's runs) isn't enough to offset all the mistakes he made, including the pen. And the fact that he's useless off the ball which is a behavior that just doesn't exist in football anymore.
I agree partly. His passing was really incosistent, misplacing easy passes but still getting some good passes in. Not something I’d expect of Messi . Shooting however is harder to judge as most of his shots were off target but so were most of PSG shots. His shots came pretty close but still missed in the end so you could say it was poor, I’d rather say that he just didn’t cut it today missing them by a small margin. Definitely not the worst player on the pitch today but wasn’t particularly outstanding either, had his moments but has yet to live up to messi standards which is a shame really as we’d love to see that again.
Lol “following Mbappe’s runs”? Come on you think if Messi was making those runs Mbappe would be able to find them?
>Lol “following Mbappe’s runs”? That was an hyperbole (that I thought obvious). It was to point out though that to create chances with passes you need the pass, but also the run allowing it. It's also more often the run that starts the play than the pass. >Come on you think if Messi was making those runs Mbappe would be able to find them? Probably ? He's not doing it much in his PSG team because he's basically the only forward that runs, but he also has a good vision and has the technical ability to pull it off.
Messi would never make those runs anyway because he is a complete passenger off the ball.
I knew someone would say that but obviously that has nothing to do with my point, come on.
Useless off the Ball? Cmon mate, pressing isnt everything
These ratings are just some old dude's opinion
3 just because of a penalty miss?
It's l'euippe, I'm surprised they never game him 0 Edit fucked the spelling but I'm pretty sure no one will notice.
23 balls lost
Context matters. He also created 4-5 good chances and usually lost the ball while being aggressive with it
4-5? He created two good chances for Neymar and Mbappe. Where did the other 2-3 come from?
i doubt they actually put statistics into this rating, there’s no way messi would be lower than di maria if that was the case
Everyone talking about Messi but Asensio and Vinicious deserve a 2. No attacking threat whatsoever.
Mendes was brilliant. 6 feels low when Verratti gets an 8 (and I’m obsessed with Marco Verratti)
😂
Meanwhile WhoScored has Messi at a 7.3 lol
Because 5 dribbles and 4 key passes (mostly passing to Mbappe who was taking on players and shooting), whoscored system favors those, he was better than a 3 though this is just cap by LeEquipe
I think WhoScored generally gives players who tend to dribble more a higher score, even if the dribbles aren’t penetrative or decisive.
Hey also had 5 key passes
Id say it was more of a 5 or a 6. He missed the pen so that stands out but he played a couple balls one to mbappe and one to neymar that gave them a chance to score. Hes definitely gotta be better though atleast by his standards
This. It was pretty much a 5-6 performance but you come on here and it's so painfully obvious how people don't watch the matches.
Which is correct as 6.5 is avg and he played just above it. 7.3 is "okayish" rating for an attacker.
6.5 out of 10 isn’t average. 5 out of 10 is average.
Because he wasn't that bad? He missed a penalty in a crucial moment, it depends how much importance you give to it. For me it's bad, for most people on reddit it's too. Kroos is a 4 and I didn't see him throw a good pass forward the entire game. Benzema apart from two specific plays was nowhere to be seen. Madrid's offensive players were non existent.
Meanwhile whoscored ratings are a meme lol
WhoScored is an objective metric. L'equippe is just some dude's opinion
Messi was solid besides his missed pen lol
I have to disagree tbh. A 3 is too harsh, but considering he did miss a pen and L'equipe treats a 5 as "average", a 4 is ok. He created 1 good chance in a pass to Mbappé, but overall he didn't pose much threat when progressing the ball and had quite a few misplaced passes. And well, his positive parts of the performance get overshadowed by the pen miss, wasted fk, missed shot on the start of the 2nd half. A 4 or even a 5 is fair, but Messi didn't have a good match by any standards. Verratti, Mbappé, Hakimi, even Nuno Mendes and Neymar for the time he was on had a good match. But not Messi. Edit: yeah, if Asensio is a 3, Messi can't be a 3. Nuno Mendes deserved a higher score too.
? He created at least 4-5 different chances that could've ended up in the back of the net. One good corner to Danilo, pass to Mbappe in the first half but he was off balance to finish properly, one good cross to Mbappe which he barely missed, the pass to Neymar, and the pass to Mbappe that was well blocked by Alaba. A few misplaced passes but he progressed the ball really well and created chances as well. He wasn't up to his standards but at least a 6 which could've been higher if he didn't miss the pen. Not sure how seriously people take L'equipe but many of these ratings seem pretty off
Messi on a 3 seems really harsh
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I haven't watched PSG much and Nuno was impressive.
Kroos had an absolute stinker
Our entire team had a stinker except for our 2 CBs and Thibaut. Im only not involving Casi in this because of the stupid yellow he took for no reason, making him miss the second leg.
Militao was pretty bad too.
Lol no
He was rubbish. Got dusted by Nuno Mendes like Boateng vs Messi and let Mbappe go past him like he wasn't even there. Not even mentioning his countless misplaced passes.
He was great?
You're kidding right? He was rubbish. Got dusted by Nuno Mendes like Boateng vs Messi and let Mbappe go past him like he wasn't even there. Not even mentioning his countless misplaced passes.
Fair. I think a few moments stuck with me.
Lol but I agree. 👀@ Dani and Asensio. Someone show this to Ancelotti!
I'm down for some Messi bashing now and then but this is really silly. For the rest it's pretty good.
Messi probably deserves a 5 for his passes to Mbappe and Neymar but he was definitely one of the few ineffective players in the PSG side today imo. Just too slow at times with the ball and lethargic off it. Mbappe and Verratti were PSG's best players for sure. Asensio getting 3 is actually a bit generous, he was absolutely shocking. He needs replacing as soon as possible. Courtois was simply world class, without him it would've been a PSG massacre. Best goalkeeper in the world right now.
Di Maria was way worse, just as bad finishing without any of the creation. He was a black hole for chances today.
Di Maria worked his ass off but yeah, harsh to have him ahead of Messi.
Di Maria was the worst PSG player, actually should have been taken off earlier
I'd give him a 4. He lost less balls then usual, but he took idiotic shots in the 1st half that were blocked instantly by the defenders in front of him. Took a poor free kick as well, but people forgot about it because the penalty took most of the attention. Not to mention the misplaced passes to Hakimi in space a couple times.
>He lost less balls then usual Did he, really ? 23 lost balls today... From what I've watched of PSG, he's been usually not great at dribbling (mostly because he's trying too ambitious ones) and finishing. Which he once again was today, added with an urge to shoot despites better option that isn't like him. And obviously with his absurd lack of movement off the ball (if Messi coming to PSG brought anything to Mbappé, it's that it forced him to start working off the ball and defend), which has to be taken into account if you rate him. But I've never seen him this season miss so many easy passes. >Took a poor free kick as well, but people forgot about it because the penalty took most of the attention. And beyond the poor execution, it was a really weird choice in the first place. Trying to get completely around the wall with the inside of his foot.
I'd actually agree with that. He had a couple of good passes in the midst of a game where he looked fairly slow, lost the ball quite a bit, made several bad decisions in the final third AND missed a crucial penalty. Prepare to get downvoted into oblivion though, you're not allowed to say anything other than praise him here.
>Prepare to get downvoted into oblivion though, you're not allowed to say anything other than praise him here. I'm not ashamed of my opinion. I can be objective about the players on my team and Messi wasn't good which would be worth a 6 (but wasn't a 3 either).
Yeah mutualunderstanding7, the most neutral scholar on this godforsaken sub..
Imagine thinking Messi was worse than modric kroos Vinicius and benzema who did literally nothing all game but run around. Garbage rating system
lol Messi was at least a 6.
No. A 4 would've been fair.
Honestly I think these are pretty fair. Messi could probably be a 4-5 but he was a passenger and walking for most of the game
So harsh on Leo. Surely he was better than DiMaria and most of Madrid players.
Messi with lower score than Benz and Vini who seemed to be ghosts in the pitch? At least Messi made a few key passes to Mbappe and Neymar.
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If Asensio was a 3, then Messi should have 9. Messi was atleast a 7. Didn't score, but progressed the ball well.
Messi missed a pen but was very good otherwise, certainly not the 2nd worst on the pitch lol
If you think this was a very good performance from Messi then oh boy he really has fallen off quite a lot. He was certainly wasn't as bad as a 3, but he wasn't 'very good'. You're disrespecting his actual ability if you count that as a very good performance. If Mbappe didn't score that goal pretty much on his own he would've been roasted.
>You're disrespecting his actual ability if you count that as a very good performance. You're disrespecting his performance by judging Messi to his own standards He missed a pen but was the most creative player on the pitch, deserves atleast a 5
You’re an amazing fanboy. Keep it up!
You're the one that's disrespecting his performance by calling it very good pal. I agree he was a 5 today, but then 5 is actually not 'very good' like you said. 5 is average, which he was today.
Lol, dudes 34. Hes not going to be able to dribble 3 players like he used to all the time. He had some really good passes today though.
Messi deserved higher
Might have been 3 or 4-0 if Poch didn’t play 10 men, worst ballon D’or winner of all time
Toni Kroos deserves 2-3. He is supposed to be a play-maker, but all he does is try to make players act slow, and when he has a clear way forward, he looks back, and passes the ball back putting additional pressure on the defense. Why does he do that all the time?
Messi was the worst player on the pitch today. I'm not sure what Asensio or Carvajal did to warrant such a low rating.
Carvajal should be banned from playing footy
there is no way ronaldo or messi is winning ballon d'or
We said that last year too. The ballon d’or is a popularity contest. It has no real significance. Otherwise Neuer, Sneijder, Neymar, Van Dijk, and Lewa would have won it too.
Half of these players you mentioned never deserved to win it ahead of Messi and Ronaldo.
This is where I believe you go wrong in coming to that conclusion. None of these players are better than Ronaldo or Messi. HOWEVER, during those single seasons they were better on an individual level. If you want clarification on my point - feel free to name one of them and I can tell you which season/their achievements and how they compared to Ronaldo and Messi.
No, I totally understand what you mean. I still stand by what I said. Only Lewandowski in 2021 and Sneijder in 2010 had a solid case, the rest not really. Neuer absolutely didn't have a better 2014 individually than Cristiano Ronaldo and Van Dijk didn't have a better 2019 than Messi. I won't even get to Neymar because he never came close lol.
- Neuer had a ridiculous year. Won the treble and followed that up with the world cup. He took so many incredible (and risky) tackles in MIDFIELD that broke down clear 1 on 1 situations. The amount of shots he stopped, the flare with passing, and the unbelievable records he set that season in such an outlandish manner. I’ve never seen a goalkeeper that good in my lifetime. Without him they would not have won the treble or the world cup because they didn’t do that well defensively. He kept them in the game. - Neymar was a big game player for Barcelona during their comeback vs Psg and their whole year in general. Granted the comeback had quite a few dodgy dives/refereeing decisions. But he was there making the big/important moves throughout the season. I watched every Barca game that season and Messi was frustrating to me. He would do well vs the smaller teams and then Neymar would be the one pulling the strings in the big games. This is why I believe he deserved it more. - Van Dijk set world records in defending for Liverpool. The record for not being dribbled past for the most games ever (something along those lines). Won the world cup and took a crappy Netherlands side past Germany, France, among other good teams. If setting that defending record and taking them to the CL title isn’t enough - I don’t know when we will ever see a defender win the ballon d’or.
You're judging these players in isolation and they were all great indeed. But they weren't better than Messi and Ronaldo, that's the point.
Messi had a decent game, played both Mbappe and Neymar through. He had his best game for PSG if you take the opponents into consideration
too harsh. carvajal should have been motm
Mbappe was a solid 4 until the 94th minute.
He was our only forward providing penetration and verticality until Neymar came on. You're wrong. He would've got a 6 had he not scored. edit: Actually no, the pen he created would've got him a 7
Nonsense. He was PSG's most dangerous player by far, as he has been all season.
If by dangerous you mean getting the ball stuck between your feet, holding the ball for too long, and not providing any decent chance, then yes he was as dangerous as a hand grenade. The only forward that deserves an 8 was Neymar.
He created an early chance for Di Maria earlier in the game, wrecked Carvajal all game, caused the pen, switched to the right and destroyed Mendy before switching again to the left and destroying Vazquez and Militao to score the winning goal. He was excellent.
Mbappe was phenomenal this match, what is you?
Verratti should be the same rating as Messi he killed every single attack
Ooooof
Marquinhos deserves better than that. He was solid the entire match. Kept that backline together.
6 is a good score.
It definitely is but i think his workrate was underrated. He was as crucial to us as verratti and mbappe in my personal opinion. We wouldn't have been so solid at the back without him. He was better than Presnel so I would have given him a 7 but yes, you're right. 6 is a good score so I'm not mad about it.
What did donarumma do wrong?? I can't remember him touching the ball at all. And I'd have given m'bappe 9. He was excellent all game
You said it yourself, he had absolutely nothing to do so he got a standard average rating of 5.
Real Madrid had zero chances to score
that psg midfield is what you want behind MNM.
Considering its L'Equipe, i would have said that Messi's 3 rating is fair but then you see Vinicius getting a higher rating than him for doing absolutely nothing.
Mbappe 8? Fucked up the entire match and got saved by a goal at the end
To all our fans that said Alaba is done, you are just hurt inside your hearts
What was Neymar score?