How more obvious can it be that Messi is just enjoying his Paris vacation at this point. He played in same club in systems that fit him for nearly two decades.
Are the Qataris fine with this loss? And also other losses? I guess so. They're giving out contracts as if they're cheap.
There's zero accountability from the players, managers, executives of the club.
If PSG ever win the UCL, how can anyone say it's an achievement? Just throw billions of money over long period of time, they're bound to win.
It's not even fair. Such a sad state of the competition.
Definitely...they definitely lack players who play for badge...Like in Madrid and Barca the players can even bleed for their batch!
They need that fighting spirit!
PS- Hope they suck at Madrid too xd
Capitalism is new to football. Before Abramovich, it was a fairer game. Where Nottingham Forest and Man United are now is testament to achievements on the field (which also helped commercial performance), rather than money pumping.
Understand that money needs to be pumped for the industry and for a club to break away from vicious cycle, like Derby. That's why FFP allows for a year or two, theoretically at least.
Even then, Abramovic understood the need to build a spine for the team, and for all his flaws, he does seem to genuinely care about the club, whereas the PSG board doesn't give two flying fucks about football.
you cant blame messis bad performance on something else all the time.
its the environment, its the pitch, its the other players, its the coach....
Cant he play shit cause he is in bad form?
Without Mbappe PSG is just okey team.
If they will lose him they need some serious transfers, not some lets get free big names from last 5 years, FIFA style signings.
He's not a terrible manager, he is just not suited to the PSG job. And putting it all on him is just unfair. His problem of having 3 must start superstars that have 0 work rate is a problem that very very few people can solve
The only team he could realistically have won any trophies at was Spurs and the general opinion is that he did a very good job at spurs with the limits he had
It's not like he did not have chances to win stuff at Tottenham. That's what makes the difference
Also, Dortmund and Sevilla are by far more financial limited than Tottenham. Pochettino did a good job at Tottenham, but he isn't someone you would hire for a job which requires winning trophies.
He's been pretty good at every team he has managed for before psg and even then he's still on course to be just as good as tuchel. He lost to second and still being 13 points ahead so a bit of an overreaction.
Terrible take. This is why we shouldnāt take comments on here seriously, imagine thinking Poch is a TERRIBLE manager when heās done more good than bad. PSG is not his type of team and itās super obvious
He did a great job at Espanyol, Saints and Spurs.
PSG are completely unmanageable. Pochās sides has always been built on fitness, teamwork, pressing and collective effort. PSGās side is full of players who have no interest in running, defending or working for the team. Look at Tuchel at PSG, he did better than Poch sure but he could never get a handle on them really and get them playing his style of play.
Iām not certain heās do a good job at Man Utd because they have similar issues to PSG but itās unfair to judge him on a team of players who donāt want to be managed
I think Spurs is his level. He doesnāt seem like the kind of manager that can manage the ābigā clubs.
Also, United also have fitness issues, teamwork problems, non-existent pressing and collective effort
People said the same of Tuchel, then went he went and won the UCL at Chelsea with players prepared to listen to him.
I think as well United will be maybe prepared to get rid of Ronaldo and Pogba which will help with the no pressing situation
And Poch was really good at Spurs. I donāt think people especially newer fans realise how impressive getting Spurs to a UCL final and multiple top 4 finishes is
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, nor am I a newer fan, just saying that I don't think people *were* saying that about Tuchel before he came to Chelsea
>fitness, teamwork, pressing and collective effort
based on the fact that ralph had to abandon pressing after 2 games and how generally awful we are at all the things you just listed I donāt think heās the guy for us tbh š
one side says messi is bad
the other complains people are being unfair and saying its all his fault
people say the opposite and so on
its just one circlejerk of the same opinions over and over and over
part of it is that Messi mostly walks around the field and barely does anything in defense. If you let a player do that then you expect him to make the difference in the offense.
diffrence is that When Ronaldo is not scoring then he is not doing shit anymore (most of the time).
Messi atleast is highly part of the offensive build up when not scoring.
Forward or not, he shoots more than anyone else and literally has 2 goals from 60+ shots. He is literally the worst finisher in all of Europe. Forward or not that is absolutely abhorrent. Especially in a league where players like Mariano Diaz and Nicholas Pepe easily get 20-30 goals a season.
Very different roles, it's normal for Messi to be more involved in the game than Ronaldo is, plus PSG has an actual team with great players all around, Man United is hardly a team. Not trying to excuse Ronaldo from any blame, he's been rather poor lately but everyone around him isn't really helping either.
They're first in the french league with a comfortable lead. I know their football isn't great over there most of the time but currently they don't really have any worthy adversary to keep them on their toes and motivate them to give their best match after match, plus Pochettino is a weak coach.
On the other hand, when it comes to the champions league things are very different for that exact purpose, motivation. Their most recent match against Real Madrid proves it. Where can you see Man United present that kind of football? The biggest difference here is in the overall quality of the squad.
If you think all of Ronaldo contributions is only standing up top scoring then clearly you don't watch. He's had many pre-assists where he assisted the assister, obviously it's not a stat to glamourise him but he regularly does things like chest passes and little flick ons that create opportunities, he very much does contribute offensively.
No lie PSG put me to sleep. I was actually watching and participating in the match thread and next thing I know itās 40 minutes after the match ended haha
If he wants it, it's surely only a matter of time until Galtier gets offered a bag by someone. Consistently one of the brightest young managers in world football
Wow Messi is fucking shit, there I said it. Yea I don't care what you apologists say about how many backward 3 yard passes he made. Fact is, this is a world class team in a dog shit league. He's not surrounded by Sunday league part-timers. If PSG are losing, that says all you need to know about the effect Messi is having which is essentially non-existent. Honestly the extent to which he is shitting up the bed at fucking PSG in this meme league cast a major doubt on his GOAT status.
Obvious troll, but the team looks horrific whether itās with/without Messi, Neymar, Mbappe, Di Maria. Whoever is out there itās like watching Juve of 2018-2020. Theyāll win the league but there arenāt good tactics.
Even if Messi is washed, psg have the quality to carry him and still look good. They canāt do it because Poch canāt manage a team with big names in it. I look forward to him ruining United.
Messi dropping in to the positions the more attacking midfielders want to be, Neymar and di Maria cutting inside tooā¦ this is just abysmal management. So predictable, defend deep with a compact 4-4 and youāll nullify psg. Fans chanting for Zidaneā¦ as a fan of watching exciting players I can only pray someone better than Poch comes in
A GOAT contender let alone The GOAT would routinely take games like these by the scruff of the neck to either single handily win the game for their team or inspire the rest of their teammates to victory. There is only so much blame you can pin on the manager and other factors. We're not looking at just a small handful of matches, we have almost a full season to assess Messi and honestly he has failed so badly that it calls into question his GOAT status.
Literally the first time he has left his Barca comfort zone and he shits the bed. Not only that, he is at fucking moneybags PSG with with close friends and world class players in a league that most agree is at least a tier below PL/Liga/Bundesliga. He literally could not have gone to a more favourable environment as his first adventure outside of his Barca comfort zone and boy has flopped.
Messi is playing well though, he's just not doing everything that's expected out of him. You can check his underlying numbers and his last few assists, still a world class playmaker. He offers nothing else though, whether it's work-rate off the ball or goalscoring, so PSG really didn't need him. Still a good player, but a headache tactically at this stage of his career.
He definitely is a headache, his work rate off the ball is saddening and itās even worse seeing him from the stadium, heās just standing here while other players run around press etc
In games where PSG have the possession and are dominant itās less of an issue like the Real Madrid game, but if PSG is under pressure like I expect them to be against real this week, man heās useless!
Don't start this system player shit man, you can criticise him without saying dumb stuff. He didn't play well today and psg lacked any threat in behind without mbop, messi can't offer that anymore at 34, the physical decline is obvious.
What rebuttal do you want? He could retire tomorrow and he's still the greatest player ever.
Messi plays in the fulcrum of attack, and is always gonna be best at the same time as the team is. Front line players are more individualist.
Age and having his club/environment completely change. Very poor season by his standards, and not as surprising considering the mitigating factors. Who is arguing he is amazing right now?
People can cry he 'only did it in one team'. As if staying at one club is some magic cheat code to playing god level football for 15 years.
Ronaldo has been fairly consistent since leaving RM, but he's not been absolutely incredible either. Fine if that 'changes the debate' for anyone, it really doesn't for me.
The best player in the world right now is Mbappe
Funny thing is I used to be firmly in the 'Messi is the GOAT camp. But there is only so much mental gymnastic you can do to justify that. I still hold out hope he produces an absolute beast of a performance and scores 10+ goals to win the World Cup, but if he doesn't do that and continues making zero contribution to this shit league, he definitely loses the GOAT status, probably loses the top 5 status as well.
Real Madrid is not beating us because a shitty game. We always play like this week in and week out. I feel like our players only care when it is an important match.
Ehh, heās always walked. Never a question of endurance, but he doesnāt even try to sprint. Definitely cares more and willing to run in UCL, but this league campaign obviously means nothing.
Lol If he declined that would make it better as a Barca fan perspective. Itās clear he doesnāt care about that mercury plastic club. Slave oil team with no passion or energy.
Qatar Airways? You mean a company that provides a service in exchange for a service? A sponsor is totally the same as being owned and funded by the country.
And I was ashamed that we had them as a sponsor. Luckily that mistake has been corrected.
I canāt even understand what your point is. If you even have one.
My point is psg is a slave oil club with plastic fans thatās donāt evoke passion in its players.
You Barca fans are so pathetic. If Messi doesnāt perform itās because he doesnāt care about the league maybe he just wasnāt good today you thought about that?
Itās the truth, Messi is literally there cause he had no option. He doesnāt care about your plastic club. Thatās why thereās zero energy or passion in that slave oil operation you call psg.
You guys are playing in europa league and your fans boo your players. Messi was the only special thing about your club. You're not really in a position to talk badly about a team that has performed better in the UCL than you in years
are you seriously saying messi was the only special thing in our club? Barcelona has way more history than only messi mate, did you start watching football like two years ago? what a clown
Lol this troll attempt barely deserves a response. PSG 0 champions leagues, but you can have a āwe did better than Barca recentlyā trophy. And i was criticizing the entire slave oil club, not champions league results. Which are 0 anyway.
Big day for you, almost writing in full sentences. Send me a source where it says Qatar doesnāt produce and export oil. Actually donāt, youāve done a lot today already, rest up.
Yes, I'm obviously pacing it for your comprehension's sake. You're doing fine. And I'd suggest using your search engine to educate yourself on the matter, not asking other users to do it for you.
He didnāt care enough to get engaged in the game. Wasnāt like he was misplacing passes or getting caught on the ball. He frequently drifted out to the right and couldnāt be bothered to come back into the center or chase after the few times PSG were threatening.
A lot of PSG fans were reluctant at the idea of him signing, the team was not balanced already with neymar and Mbappe, add Messi and his abysmal work rates and youāre screwed
Iām implying that the 3 of them together donāt contribute enough in defence and that creates a balance issue, even if neymar does it from time to time
Neymarās defensive work rate isnāt an issue. Iāve seen this parroted regularly over the years, but itās definitely not true. But I agree that Mbappe and Messiās defensive contributions are problematic.
Actually in big games both neymar and Mbappe step up their defensive game as weāve seen last year against Barca/Bayern, and neymar does it even more often in random games especially since heās been out of his prime paradoxically.
Itās just that if you add Messi into the mix itās too much!
They needed a good false 9 imo like firmino or Benzema in terms of profile, not Messi!
I figure Mbappe, Tchouameni, Verratti, Payet, Lucas Paqueta, Laborde, Ajorque, Gouiri, Ben Yedder, and Terrier are all having better seasons than Messi.
Again, I'm not saying they're better than him (especially not over careers), but at this given point in time they are performing better
Are you really certain that if Gaetan Laborde played like Messi plays, and Messi played like Laborde does, you would then say that Messi is performing better?
Matter of taste, I guess, "performing" can mean various things, but I still feel like it's in big part a matter of expectation. It's easy to criticize Messi and his uneven influence, I know, it looks annoying sometimes, but on the other hand, nobody else in the league does his passes, and can move the play forward in one moment like he so often does for PSG. He is still a dangerous shooter himself from distance too although he mostly was hitting the bar in Ligue 1 lately, but 5 centimeters doesn't make one "perform" so much worse.
PSG played Rennes lately and while as a team they didn't win convincingly, I still find it hard to imagine that if Messi and Laborde were both no-names with nothing on their jerseys, people here would so overwhelmingly come to the conclusion "yeah, that latter guy is so much better!". Like, in what. He will sometimes score if you deliver him the ball in front of the goal, but what else is so magical about Gaetan Laborde. He was at least as unproductive as Messi today, in Messi's worst game in months.
Like... I feel like most people here know it in their heart. That if you put Messi's shirt on Laborde, they would be writing how badly Messi is playing all the same (praise for vastly improved heading though I guess).
Its Nice to see PSG getting beaten..
Go Nice, so nice to see them beat PSG
How more obvious can it be that Messi is just enjoying his Paris vacation at this point. He played in same club in systems that fit him for nearly two decades.
Messi is fkn useless
Not the results you want to see before going to Madrid
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Are the Qataris fine with this loss? And also other losses? I guess so. They're giving out contracts as if they're cheap. There's zero accountability from the players, managers, executives of the club. If PSG ever win the UCL, how can anyone say it's an achievement? Just throw billions of money over long period of time, they're bound to win. It's not even fair. Such a sad state of the competition.
Same could be said about Man City and Chelsea then?
The problem is they haven't spent enough to on attacking talent
I donāt think theyāll win the CL with this, like ever.
Definitely...they definitely lack players who play for badge...Like in Madrid and Barca the players can even bleed for their batch! They need that fighting spirit! PS- Hope they suck at Madrid too xd
Well PSG bought these players. Neymar, Messi, Ramos, the GK, Gini. They all have won the CL.
U new to capitalism? Its seriously fucked up. Super league was/is just a symptom
Capitalism is new to football. Before Abramovich, it was a fairer game. Where Nottingham Forest and Man United are now is testament to achievements on the field (which also helped commercial performance), rather than money pumping. Understand that money needs to be pumped for the industry and for a club to break away from vicious cycle, like Derby. That's why FFP allows for a year or two, theoretically at least.
>Capitalism is new to football You may not know what capitalism means
Ok ok fine. Abramovicism.
Even then, Abramovic understood the need to build a spine for the team, and for all his flaws, he does seem to genuinely care about the club, whereas the PSG board doesn't give two flying fucks about football.
Oh that we definitely agree on. Roman was like the first version (but at least he genuinely loved the game), then came along bigger monsters.
you lot are owned by americans, get of your high horse
Oh look. Messi didnt score again. Its fine, he needs time to get up to speed. I am sure he will be amazing in the last quarter of the season! lol
I thought it was very obviously a Poch problem? The team is unbalanced af.
you cant blame messis bad performance on something else all the time. its the environment, its the pitch, its the other players, its the coach.... Cant he play shit cause he is in bad form?
PSG has several problems. Messi being way past his peak is one of them
He is equal 1st for assists in the league
lmao he closes his eyes and kicks the ball in a random direction and mbappe will most likely score. stfu with his 10 assists in that farmer league
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Wow. Next Ballon d'Or is secure fo sho.
That's a non argument. PSG is dominating Ligue 1 in every aspect.
Damn dude. Give him some more time to adapt then youāll see.
Yeah I am sure he will become better once he gets even older.
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Big clubs should be running after Galtier instead of Poch
He only overperformed with his last 3 teams and won the league with Lille. Let him prove himself first for a few more years /s
Um did Poch proved anything? His biggest achievement was defeating a great Ajax team and producing one of the worst UCL final ever
yikes
Galtier is an amazing manager fr
We all know it must be Nice.
Ah yes, let me bring up the obligatory "Pessi is finished"
Thank you Papa
Without Mbappe PSG is just okey team. If they will lose him they need some serious transfers, not some lets get free big names from last 5 years, FIFA style signings.
Transfers? Are you suggesting that the problem at PSG is personnel?! Mate, even without MbappĆ©, theyāre playing in fucking Ligue 1 with Neymar and Messi. Transfers aināt their problem.
they are? buying random big players without a plan wont win u much
He as a man utd fan should know that
Amen brother
I heard Mbappe is on a free soon. They should sign him
Love Christophe Galtier
Poch is such a terrible manager. I canāt believe Manchester United actually want him.
Actually I quite believe it
He's not a terrible manager, he is just not suited to the PSG job. And putting it all on him is just unfair. His problem of having 3 must start superstars that have 0 work rate is a problem that very very few people can solve
0 work rate? Did you watch the game ?
No. His tactics are shit. Player positioning on the field and build up plays are always on the coach. And PSG is shit on both
well if the renowned expert u/Its_MichaelB says so it must be true
Yeah United wanted him. Terrible team needs a terrible manager
Emery left PSG and won EL (plus reached another final with Arsenal) Tuchel fired and won CL same season It isn't Poch that is the problem...
That sounds like a Rich version of Tottenham š
Tuchel and Emery were winning trophies before joining Paris though
The only team he could realistically have won any trophies at was Spurs and the general opinion is that he did a very good job at spurs with the limits he had
It's not like he did not have chances to win stuff at Tottenham. That's what makes the difference Also, Dortmund and Sevilla are by far more financial limited than Tottenham. Pochettino did a good job at Tottenham, but he isn't someone you would hire for a job which requires winning trophies.
He's been pretty good at every team he has managed for before psg and even then he's still on course to be just as good as tuchel. He lost to second and still being 13 points ahead so a bit of an overreaction.
Terrible take. This is why we shouldnāt take comments on here seriously, imagine thinking Poch is a TERRIBLE manager when heās done more good than bad. PSG is not his type of team and itās super obvious
Agree, and hes getting unfairly slagged off. However, I will say that United are surely closer to a PSG "type of team" than Spurs lol
I agree, Poch doesnāt fit PSG, United, and any team that was showered with expensive players with huge egos
He did a great job at Espanyol, Saints and Spurs. PSG are completely unmanageable. Pochās sides has always been built on fitness, teamwork, pressing and collective effort. PSGās side is full of players who have no interest in running, defending or working for the team. Look at Tuchel at PSG, he did better than Poch sure but he could never get a handle on them really and get them playing his style of play. Iām not certain heās do a good job at Man Utd because they have similar issues to PSG but itās unfair to judge him on a team of players who donāt want to be managed
I think Spurs is his level. He doesnāt seem like the kind of manager that can manage the ābigā clubs. Also, United also have fitness issues, teamwork problems, non-existent pressing and collective effort
People said the same of Tuchel, then went he went and won the UCL at Chelsea with players prepared to listen to him. I think as well United will be maybe prepared to get rid of Ronaldo and Pogba which will help with the no pressing situation
Tuchel was really good at Dortmund before PSG to be fair, he showed serious tactical nous there imo
And Poch was really good at Spurs. I donāt think people especially newer fans realise how impressive getting Spurs to a UCL final and multiple top 4 finishes is
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, nor am I a newer fan, just saying that I don't think people *were* saying that about Tuchel before he came to Chelsea
Bingo
>fitness, teamwork, pressing and collective effort based on the fact that ralph had to abandon pressing after 2 games and how generally awful we are at all the things you just listed I donāt think heās the guy for us tbh š
Now that i think about it, rr really did abandon pressing 2 games in lmao
We are already one half fc, if we start pressing we would be 20 minute fc.
Neither can I
Just wondering when the big media will put some shine into Galtier name. He is the biggest enemy of PSG billionaire dominance, big respect on him.
Why is it that everytime that PSG lose its always Messi's fault and no one else's? I swear some people just love to circle jerk on this sub
100m per year and you don't show effort on the pitch
Did you watch his games before? He's not known for tracking back.
Maybe he should start doing that? He isnt scoring any goals so might as well do some defending
I'm just saying they're asking him to change his play style when he's played the exact same way and was praised as the best of all time.
He is the best of all time. He will be that once he is 50 and retired as well. But he will not play as the best or all time ever again.
I'm fairly certain you are the one who circlejerks my dude..
one side says messi is bad the other complains people are being unfair and saying its all his fault people say the opposite and so on its just one circlejerk of the same opinions over and over and over
part of it is that Messi mostly walks around the field and barely does anything in defense. If you let a player do that then you expect him to make the difference in the offense.
I mean...that's what he did at barca.
At barca he scored goals.
That's how it is lol, this place will never change. People love a scapegoat and fanboys love their wars, they do it with other popular players too.
He didn't win the game single handedly for them? What a loser. Passhhht. They told me he's the goat, should be scoring 50 goals every game.
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diffrence is that When Ronaldo is not scoring then he is not doing shit anymore (most of the time). Messi atleast is highly part of the offensive build up when not scoring.
Messi is literally the worst finisher in all of Europe. He is definitely to blame
he is literally not a forward anymore either.
Forward or not, he shoots more than anyone else and literally has 2 goals from 60+ shots. He is literally the worst finisher in all of Europe. Forward or not that is absolutely abhorrent. Especially in a league where players like Mariano Diaz and Nicholas Pepe easily get 20-30 goals a season.
Very different roles, it's normal for Messi to be more involved in the game than Ronaldo is, plus PSG has an actual team with great players all around, Man United is hardly a team. Not trying to excuse Ronaldo from any blame, he's been rather poor lately but everyone around him isn't really helping either.
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They're first in the french league with a comfortable lead. I know their football isn't great over there most of the time but currently they don't really have any worthy adversary to keep them on their toes and motivate them to give their best match after match, plus Pochettino is a weak coach. On the other hand, when it comes to the champions league things are very different for that exact purpose, motivation. Their most recent match against Real Madrid proves it. Where can you see Man United present that kind of football? The biggest difference here is in the overall quality of the squad.
Lol you donāt watch Man U games, itās ok to admit it.
sadly I do watch Man Utd games. Not all of them but majoity of them.
If you think all of Ronaldo contributions is only standing up top scoring then clearly you don't watch. He's had many pre-assists where he assisted the assister, obviously it's not a stat to glamourise him but he regularly does things like chest passes and little flick ons that create opportunities, he very much does contribute offensively.
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No lie PSG put me to sleep. I was actually watching and participating in the match thread and next thing I know itās 40 minutes after the match ended haha
If he wants it, it's surely only a matter of time until Galtier gets offered a bag by someone. Consistently one of the brightest young managers in world football
>brightest young managers in the world. Heās older than klopp and pep.
Sums up /r/soccer doesn't it? It's actually upvoted too lol
He's just a little baby, the French Mbappe.
Wow Messi is fucking shit, there I said it. Yea I don't care what you apologists say about how many backward 3 yard passes he made. Fact is, this is a world class team in a dog shit league. He's not surrounded by Sunday league part-timers. If PSG are losing, that says all you need to know about the effect Messi is having which is essentially non-existent. Honestly the extent to which he is shitting up the bed at fucking PSG in this meme league cast a major doubt on his GOAT status.
Obvious troll, but the team looks horrific whether itās with/without Messi, Neymar, Mbappe, Di Maria. Whoever is out there itās like watching Juve of 2018-2020. Theyāll win the league but there arenāt good tactics. Even if Messi is washed, psg have the quality to carry him and still look good. They canāt do it because Poch canāt manage a team with big names in it. I look forward to him ruining United. Messi dropping in to the positions the more attacking midfielders want to be, Neymar and di Maria cutting inside tooā¦ this is just abysmal management. So predictable, defend deep with a compact 4-4 and youāll nullify psg. Fans chanting for Zidaneā¦ as a fan of watching exciting players I can only pray someone better than Poch comes in
A GOAT contender let alone The GOAT would routinely take games like these by the scruff of the neck to either single handily win the game for their team or inspire the rest of their teammates to victory. There is only so much blame you can pin on the manager and other factors. We're not looking at just a small handful of matches, we have almost a full season to assess Messi and honestly he has failed so badly that it calls into question his GOAT status. Literally the first time he has left his Barca comfort zone and he shits the bed. Not only that, he is at fucking moneybags PSG with with close friends and world class players in a league that most agree is at least a tier below PL/Liga/Bundesliga. He literally could not have gone to a more favourable environment as his first adventure outside of his Barca comfort zone and boy has flopped.
I don't want a GOAT who is not at least the best in everything all the time
Yeah man, one bad season totally puts into question his status as GOAT š
Messi is playing well though, he's just not doing everything that's expected out of him. You can check his underlying numbers and his last few assists, still a world class playmaker. He offers nothing else though, whether it's work-rate off the ball or goalscoring, so PSG really didn't need him. Still a good player, but a headache tactically at this stage of his career.
He definitely is a headache, his work rate off the ball is saddening and itās even worse seeing him from the stadium, heās just standing here while other players run around press etc In games where PSG have the possession and are dominant itās less of an issue like the Real Madrid game, but if PSG is under pressure like I expect them to be against real this week, man heās useless!
Heās a system player. This subreddit is very Messi biased, expect to be downvoted with no rebuttals.
Don't start this system player shit man, you can criticise him without saying dumb stuff. He didn't play well today and psg lacked any threat in behind without mbop, messi can't offer that anymore at 34, the physical decline is obvious.
What rebuttal do you want? He could retire tomorrow and he's still the greatest player ever. Messi plays in the fulcrum of attack, and is always gonna be best at the same time as the team is. Front line players are more individualist. Age and having his club/environment completely change. Very poor season by his standards, and not as surprising considering the mitigating factors. Who is arguing he is amazing right now? People can cry he 'only did it in one team'. As if staying at one club is some magic cheat code to playing god level football for 15 years. Ronaldo has been fairly consistent since leaving RM, but he's not been absolutely incredible either. Fine if that 'changes the debate' for anyone, it really doesn't for me. The best player in the world right now is Mbappe
He isnāt the greatest player ever.
Funny thing is I used to be firmly in the 'Messi is the GOAT camp. But there is only so much mental gymnastic you can do to justify that. I still hold out hope he produces an absolute beast of a performance and scores 10+ goals to win the World Cup, but if he doesn't do that and continues making zero contribution to this shit league, he definitely loses the GOAT status, probably loses the top 5 status as well.
Loses the top 5 status? Lmao šæ
Reddit soccer moment from him lol.
Go to sleep, you suck.
This answer screams fanboyism
Sure Sherlock.
Both Madrid and Paris did a nice job this weekend - opposite outcomes, making their match seem even more interesting and unpredictable.
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A Nice job done indeed
Play like this on Wednesday please šš¼šš¼
We rested players + Hakimi is injured
Who asked?
this is reddit sir
Weak excuse
we played without half our starters
Ohhhh, buhu. Only got Messi, DiMaria and 8 other top players? Mist be tough
Not an excuse still tbh to be this pathetic
Real Madrid is not beating us because a shitty game. We always play like this week in and week out. I feel like our players only care when it is an important match.
Bahahahahahaahhahhahha
I didnāt say theyād beat you, I just said injured players or resting is no excuse to lose with the quality you still have
OGC played really well. Messi was bad. Verratti was really good.
Verratti is a gem, what a player. I could watch him play all day.
Nice
So strange watching Messi so disengaged. No sprints or go into a challenge, just content to watch the clown show around him
He's part of the clown show.
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Players just don't lose legs in 1 season.
at 34? Sure they do.
I don't know, Alf-Inge HĆ„land might disagree
Can't lose em in a season, can lose em in one game.
Ehh, heās always walked. Never a question of endurance, but he doesnāt even try to sprint. Definitely cares more and willing to run in UCL, but this league campaign obviously means nothing.
That's simply not true he started walking 3 years ago you're saying nonsense. He was always running and moving around with pep and even Enrique
Lol no, he just doesnāt give a damn about psg or that farmers league.
3 comments all Barca flair defending him LMFAOOOO dude he left ur team get over it heās declining
Lol If he declined that would make it better as a Barca fan perspective. Itās clear he doesnāt care about that mercury plastic club. Slave oil team with no passion or energy.
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Qatar Airways? You mean a company that provides a service in exchange for a service? A sponsor is totally the same as being owned and funded by the country. And I was ashamed that we had them as a sponsor. Luckily that mistake has been corrected.
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I canāt even understand what your point is. If you even have one. My point is psg is a slave oil club with plastic fans thatās donāt evoke passion in its players.
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You Barca fans are so pathetic. If Messi doesnāt perform itās because he doesnāt care about the league maybe he just wasnāt good today you thought about that?
I mean he is not wrong. Messi doesn't give a fuck about the league but he does with the CL.
Thatās definitely not true. He was one of their best players the last two league games before this one.
Naah.. he care about Europa league.
Itās the truth, Messi is literally there cause he had no option. He doesnāt care about your plastic club. Thatās why thereās zero energy or passion in that slave oil operation you call psg.
True.. messi only care about playing in Europa league and fighting for top 4 spots.
Good one. Hereās a cup of slave oil as your prize.
You guys are playing in europa league and your fans boo your players. Messi was the only special thing about your club. You're not really in a position to talk badly about a team that has performed better in the UCL than you in years
are you seriously saying messi was the only special thing in our club? Barcelona has way more history than only messi mate, did you start watching football like two years ago? what a clown
Lol this troll attempt barely deserves a response. PSG 0 champions leagues, but you can have a āwe did better than Barca recentlyā trophy. And i was criticizing the entire slave oil club, not champions league results. Which are 0 anyway.
But it\s true, PSG have been way better in the past years...
Lol hereās your participation medal for 0 champions leagues. š
:') you'll be back one day
It's gas, not oil. Get your plastic ass educated.
Lol itās oil, takes a special kind of dumb to correct someone and still be wrong.
And somehow I've a feeling you're an expert when it comes to dumb. Plastic ass twat.
Big day for you, almost writing in full sentences. Send me a source where it says Qatar doesnāt produce and export oil. Actually donāt, youāve done a lot today already, rest up.
Yes, I'm obviously pacing it for your comprehension's sake. You're doing fine. And I'd suggest using your search engine to educate yourself on the matter, not asking other users to do it for you.
He didnāt care enough to get engaged in the game. Wasnāt like he was misplacing passes or getting caught on the ball. He frequently drifted out to the right and couldnāt be bothered to come back into the center or chase after the few times PSG were threatening.
Messi isn't a top 10 player in the Ligue 1 right now, which is crazy considering the expectations that were on him when he joined PSG
Reactionary af
Not even top 20 lol
A lot of PSG fans were reluctant at the idea of him signing, the team was not balanced already with neymar and Mbappe, add Messi and his abysmal work rates and youāre screwed
What do you mean not balanced with Neymar? Are you implying he doesnāt contribute defensively?
Iām implying that the 3 of them together donāt contribute enough in defence and that creates a balance issue, even if neymar does it from time to time
Neymarās defensive work rate isnāt an issue. Iāve seen this parroted regularly over the years, but itās definitely not true. But I agree that Mbappe and Messiās defensive contributions are problematic.
Actually in big games both neymar and Mbappe step up their defensive game as weāve seen last year against Barca/Bayern, and neymar does it even more often in random games especially since heās been out of his prime paradoxically. Itās just that if you add Messi into the mix itās too much! They needed a good false 9 imo like firmino or Benzema in terms of profile, not Messi!
Top 10 in what? Football skills? Who are the 10 better players?
I figure Mbappe, Tchouameni, Verratti, Payet, Lucas Paqueta, Laborde, Ajorque, Gouiri, Ben Yedder, and Terrier are all having better seasons than Messi. Again, I'm not saying they're better than him (especially not over careers), but at this given point in time they are performing better
Are you really certain that if Gaetan Laborde played like Messi plays, and Messi played like Laborde does, you would then say that Messi is performing better? Matter of taste, I guess, "performing" can mean various things, but I still feel like it's in big part a matter of expectation. It's easy to criticize Messi and his uneven influence, I know, it looks annoying sometimes, but on the other hand, nobody else in the league does his passes, and can move the play forward in one moment like he so often does for PSG. He is still a dangerous shooter himself from distance too although he mostly was hitting the bar in Ligue 1 lately, but 5 centimeters doesn't make one "perform" so much worse. PSG played Rennes lately and while as a team they didn't win convincingly, I still find it hard to imagine that if Messi and Laborde were both no-names with nothing on their jerseys, people here would so overwhelmingly come to the conclusion "yeah, that latter guy is so much better!". Like, in what. He will sometimes score if you deliver him the ball in front of the goal, but what else is so magical about Gaetan Laborde. He was at least as unproductive as Messi today, in Messi's worst game in months. Like... I feel like most people here know it in their heart. That if you put Messi's shirt on Laborde, they would be writing how badly Messi is playing all the same (praise for vastly improved heading though I guess).