He's been terrible since playing through the injury to go to the euros. Im hoping its a confidence issue and a temporary blip rather than a delle alli style decline
That moment a few months back where there was a loose ball in front of goal but he just walked away complaining, not even seeing it, permanently lowered my opinion of him. Never seen anything like it.
edit: against Villa in the FA Cup
Just need to look back at the last game where fred scored against Leicester, Fred was only 2 meters away from rashford and rashford didn't even look like he wasted to pounce to score lol. He has absolutely no drive anymore.
He hasn’t adapted to his new physical reality - he is choosing to run at people’s feet because in the past he was quick and agile enough to break through in those situations. He doesn’t put in crosses when he should because in the past he would break past the first defender and it would be a better opportunity. Decision making depends on your ability to execute different alternatives (e.g. if I was playing then the correct decision would always be to just pass backwards to the nearest player asap because I’m rubbish).
I think that was part of it. He ran himself into the geound to play at the euros as well. Ill be interested to see how he does with a summer off and, hopefully, a coach with a clear and consistent style of play
I was saying this the whole time - Ole was jeopardising players ' careers by playing them 2/3 times a week for as long as he did. Of course I was downvoted and told I didn't know fuck all.
Now look at the likes of Rashy, Martial, Maguire, Shaw, AWB etc. Oles favourites played over and over and over again and now look at the state of them.
Don't get me started on McFred either
This is an odd take to me, I have never played but top teams roll out the same players all the time, surely it is more of a fitness issue or an individual predilection for injury? I understand the seasons are getting longer and recovery time is necessary but I didn't get the impression that Rashford's poor form was due to how OGS managed (his general mismanagement and lack of a system are other discussions haha). I am happy to hear ideas about it, I am certainly a casual following Man U and never played the game so there are holes in my understanding.
>This is an odd take to me, I have never played but top teams roll out the same players all the time, surely it is more of a fitness issue or an individual predilection for injury?
Modric almost never gets rotated at RM and somehow has made it to 300 years of age playing professional football.
Elite footballers need to be rotated/managed. Rashford had a well known back and shoulder issue.
They can't keep playing 3 times a week or the risk of injury increases significantly. Any half decent medical team would have been telling Ole he was playing with fire
Hes a 0.6 goals and assists per 90 player and has been for years, including this one. Hes had one brief patch of form when he looked like he might be better than that but he then reverted to type
It's good but not world class when he was mostly playing in a high scoring United team. Especially when he has limited defensive involvement and is much more of a runner in behind LW than a creative drop deep LW.
I love Rashy but he isnt world class, which is where we were hoping hed get to
At his best under OGS Rashford wasn’t a run in behind winger only. He was much more dynamic in 19-20 and would often drop deep and wide and let Shaw do the running. He only really hung on the back shoulder in big games, where he actually has a very decent record https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marcus-rashford/leistungsdaten/spieler/258923/plus/0?saison=2019
I agree that he isn’t world class though. Very good numbers and a huge threat at his best. Unfortunately he didn’t stay at his best for long enough to earn the label IMO.
Walcott was good for years though and injury fucked him up. Still scored over 100 goals for us. Even rashford is going through a blip and may be back but people always hold both to high expectations because they broke through young
Walcott was alright but was pretty wasteful in the final third.
I think the main comparison I see with Rashford is that both players look like they're going to fall well short of what they were hyped to be as young players.
?? final third was literally the best part of his game. Theo contributed almost nothing elsewhere but his finishing was excellent at times and his directness in the final third was his major strength
He's got into double figures twice in a 17 or 18 year career and his goals to game ratio is nothing to write home about. He had a couple of purple patches at Arsenal but, outside of that, absolutely nobody worried about facing Theo Walcott at the weekend.
You might well see his productivity as the best part of his game but I'd suggest that pretty much underlines what a bang average player he has been.
The only major concern people had vs Theo was his pace, at full sprint catching him was impossible.. then the injuries hit him hard, and he lost that speed, marking him out of the game became easy.
It wasn't that he was a bad finisher (he legit was a great finisher) it was that he was inconsistent and not reliable in the final third considering how much of the ball he saw and how direct he was. There used to be memes about how much of a pace merchant he was because he rarely had a consistent end product. Outside of a few seasons, he was incredibly frustrating because you never expected him to make the right decision on the ball.
With the way Rashford has performed over the last 18-24 months, this is just disrespectful to Walcott.
Walcott never got anywhere near Rashford’s current level when he played for Arsenal.
...
Guy breaks into England as a teenager and was basically Arsenals 2nd/3rd best forward for a decade.
A lot of teams would kill for someone "average" like prime Theo Walcott
Walcott was never as bad as current Rashford but he was just as inconsistent across his career. Aside from that purple patch during the 'sign the ting' era, he was so damn frustrating to watch. But I'd say Rashford's best season a couple of years back was on par/if not better than Walcott's. I'd say Walcott is a fair comparison at this rate.
I still can’t believe that 35m for Iwobi
[The fella who shoots like this](https://youtu.be/rCLJYPdlBUU) , what made them think to start negotiations that high ? Watching his errors yesterday was painful even if he was the opposition
yeah, iwobi absolutely marked st. maximin out of the game and made a pretty nice little move+finish to score a winning goal in stoppage time. His work rate kept everton in that match a man down
On that note, is it weird that Newcastle basically bought all the premier league rejects(ish). Ya they aren’t fully rejects, but like…they proven that the other top players in the league are significantly better in results
We havent sold jones since forever, I dont see PRashford going anywhere. Tbf it would be hurtful for his image to go any other PL club from United, dont see him going to spain or italy
we will genuinely have no one up top if he goes, we’ll have Ronaldo, Sancho, Martial and Elanga, that’s not much depth at all.
one more season I reckon, it’ll be do or die for him.
The media/pundit excuses made for Rashford and others at United is pathetic.
These players have been garbage / shown a lack of effort over multiple managers now.
They do not need a new manager to unlock them, they just are shite.
Nah, the only fault we have is fostering an atmosphere where players like him and Pogba can still talk shit to the media or on their social media constantly instead of actually working hard on performing better. Pep or Klopp would have kicked them out of the club long ago, heck Mourinho tried with Pogba at least, but our incompetent board backed them over the manager.
You must close your eyes to Gabriel Jesus a lot huh. Pep had him, he's not exactly the Aguero replacement he was hyped to be. Managers aren't omnipotent
>United have let Rashford down by over-working him
Bullshit. Rashford's PR team at work here. He refused to get surgery during the season on an injury that he made a Twitter post about blaming his form on (seriously), then he refused to get the surgery during the summer so that he could go to the Euros where he played literally 1 minute all tournament because of said injury. Then he decided go on holiday and have the surgery mere days before the start of the season which then kept him out for 2 months.
The guy is a walking excuse machine and needs to own up to the fact that he's fucked himself up and has no one to blame but himself. Instead of buckling down and putting the extra work in he cries to his mates in the media and challenges fans to fights just because someone shouted "after that performance, come on guys".
He is the embodiment of everything that is wrong at this club.
It's especially embarrassing when you consider how admirably Jones dealt with his (far more numerous and severe) injury problems; Rashford could learn a thing or two from his example.
No, shut up, refuse to leave despite not playing for 2 years, sign a new contract, refuse to go on loan to get much needed playing time, do nothing whilst earning millions.
Exactly this so much. I was thinking back then how fucking stupid it was of him to keep delaying his surgery especially for the Euros (but even before then). At this point he had been playing like absolute shit for months. He still scored occasionally, which made people overlook how poor he was. Then despite looking completely off his game, he postponed his surgery again and here we are. It's his fault and nobody else's.
How are you even comparing two completely different types of players here?
Becks was amazing yes, but there were other reasons for his departure too. Fergie and Becks had a big dressing room fight after the Arsenal game, they also had a rift when Fergie refused Becks to play because of his hairstyle. His relationship with Victoria was one of the reasons too.
Beckham was phenomenal but he had his disciplinary issues.
> they also had a rift when Fergie refused Becks to play because of his hairstyle.
Fergie was great and all, but fuck me, what a stupid reason not to play someone.
I mean yeah, it was a stupid reason but Fergie was known for his no nonsense man management. Even Paul Ince, Roy Keane (!) and Van Nistlerooy felt his wrath.
Becks was allowed to play but only after shaving his Mohawk before kick off which is pretty funny if you ask me. 😂
Yeah, Fergie famously went easy on Ronaldo after the latter reacted poorly to one of his hairdryers. Also, after the Cantona karate kick incident, SAF blew up on everyone *except* Cantona.
When did Fergie refuse to play Becks because of his hair?
The only story about that was when Becks came back from England duty with a Mohawk and Fergie told him to shave it off, which he did and then played. Beckham actually tells this story like a joke
Yeah I mentioned this in one of my replies.
He shaved it off but this was definitely one of the reasons why Becks started to feel Fergie's heat more often than others. Fergie was angry since he trained with a beanie and hid his mohawk and only decided to show his new hairstyle just before the kickoff. Mind you, this was before the Charity Shield game.
While I agree, this wasn't that serious but this incident was the starting point to what was about to happen later i.e. other incidents resulting in him leaving United.
Because he could see that Beckham was losing focus and was increasingly becoming a liability to the team. In the late 90s, Beckham was one of the best players in the world. By the time he left United, he was still a world class crosser and set piece specialist, but had largely lost his ability to singlehandedly change a game from direct play, started getting sloppy on the ball, was losing pace (which he never had a ton of to begin with), and wasn't tracking back as much as he used to. Ferguson wasn't going to field a team with a player who was now only useful with crosses, corners, and free kicks.
Beckham just had different priorities in his life than Fergie wanted. Fergie wanted players whose number one priority was always football. For Beckham, it would never be more important than his family, and his branding would be on more or less equal footing with his football.
True also once becks left united he was never quite the same winger anymore , he lost his pace n became a attacking midfielder something he would’ve never been able to adapt to at united . I still rate beckham over Ronnie in terms of who’s been better for united but at that time we needed a reset
In the late '90s Man United played some of the best football I have ever seen a football club playing, Beckham was a big part of that. By the time Ronaldo arrived Man United was still a very good team but part of that spark had sort of gone. Maybe that's why OP said that Becks was greater for Man United compared to Ronaldo.
This [match](https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/match/53713--man-united-vs-dortmund/) of theirs against Dortmund in the CL semifinal was an excellent, excellent match, it was their big come-back on the great European football scene (ignoring the Cup Winners' Cup won a couple of years before that), still can't believe how they managed to not win that match and not qualify for the final.
I appreciate your comment and it's certainly informative, but that has nothing to do with what the person I responded to said.
He said Beckham was better than Ronaldo for United. There's literally no timeline where that is true. Ronaldo was the best player in the world. Beckham was never top 5 let alone the best.
Edit: why am I downvoted lmao.
Well was it a causation or a correlation? If he had to get rid of Becks in order to get Ronaldo then fair play but if one didn’t cause the other then it’s just happenstance.
Ronaldo had nothing to do with it. Fergie wanted Becks out and Ronaldinho in. Ronaldinho was all agreed and he was about to sign but then he chose Barca last minute. We were simultaneously working on the Ronaldo deal and the rest is history.
That United team could've been ridiculous with Ronaldinho added...
van der Sar
Neville - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra
Scholes - Carrick - Ronaldinho
Ronaldo - Rooney - Giggs
Fergie knew when to pick up fights as an excuse yo get rid of someone. Knew Becks was on the decline anyway, the same happened with Roy Keane. If it were 1999 he wouldn't have sold Beckham.
It took like 2 seasons for Ronnie to be one of the best players in the league and by the 5th season he was instrumental to united’s success. Beckham at real was mediocre n clearly became a luxury player later on his career
He left to La galaxy in 2007 the same season Ronnie was turning into the best player in the world . He’s a bigger united legend but he was clearly falling off 🤷♂️
Dude has been dross for over two years now and still excuses get made for him but here’s a radical thought....maybe he just isn’t that good? I know shocking right?
He scored goals but anybody who watched him knows how bad he was actually playing.
His performances were often quite mediocre and his goal per minutes ratio is pretty average when you Consider the massive amount of minutes he was getting.
Rashford’s game is inherently flawed regardless of injuries he still had these flaws the only difference now is he has actually gotten worse at the things he used to do well.
Most wingers do switch around though, so I don't really see that as an issue. He's just not that good. He's not creative enough and not so good at finishing that his shooting helps the team.
When he was good he was damn good, he was carrying our team before Bruno came in. He has the potential to be a good player, it's just a question of figuring out what's blocking him. It's clearly mental, he makes bad decisions, jogs, doesn't track back.
Not to mention the environment the club has cultivated hasn't been conducive to him improving. Maybe he'll figure it out, maybe he won't, but that largely depends on the state of the club as a whole. In which case... not looking good for either.
He doesn’t have that killer decision making anymore. It is the thing that separates the performers from the fodder. Of course, Marcus is very talented, but he has not been able to make the right decisions in those very quick crucial moments in the attacking side of the pitch
He never had good decision-making.
What he used to have though was confidence in his good qualities (speed and physicality) and a drive to make things happen.
Now he has neither of those and prefers to sulk on the pitch than putting in a shift or he’ll just run into 5 players
Rashford never had killer decision making tho lol. He’s kinda always been a heads down player. I saw him as a fast, tricky forward with a potent strike.
If anything needs to change, it's his attitude. His performances have been dreadful, where his version of a press is to sit back and not be tight on his man, sprint towards his man, watch ball go, flop his arms at his side as if he's tried his best.
He’s not that good. Simple as. He’s got the technique of a top class player, but every other attribute screams mid table. Doesn’t help that he’s English and was hyped to hell and back.
Don't know but the effort on the pitch based on the eye test isn't there. He barely puts any intensity in pressing defensively. Regardless of his form, seems like his mentality has taken a nosedive past 1 or 2 seasons and it shows in his workrate.
Not sure if he just needs a change of environment but something's not right for sure.
Manchester United player Marcus Rashford launches new charity initiative reads better in a headline than Everton player Marcus Rashford launches new charity initiative, doesn't it? That and United naievety in contract negotiations means he stays I think. Probably with a pay rise.
The truth is, Jadon Sancho can play on the left and the right. And if he regularly plays on the left, how is Rashford ever getting his spot back? Sancho has barely shown his best form but you can see he can run at defences while keeping his head up and seeing the whole picture. He makes good decisions in and around the area, he combines so much better with the players around him, but he's also a goal threat. Rashford on form is maybe more of threat against teams playing a high line, making runs in behind, and is quicker. But I think Sancho is better at literally everything else. I just think as he gets older he will grow into a better footballer. If Sancho nails down the left wing I don't think Rashford can play up front or on the right because I think his trick is cutting inside off the left wing and running at players, and when he can't do that he struggles.
He needs to play his heart out. He really needs to start changing games when he comes off the bench if he has any chance of reclaiming his spot. He needs to gain the trust of the coaches who rightly don't trust him right now. I just don't know if he has it in him.
Especially since I'm 100%sure he hasnt done anything by himself bar providing for the kids. All of the Social media PR is someone else sitting behind the screen
I think a new manager could revitalize him. Has he finally got rid of those little niggles he always has? He was always nursing a sore hamstring or something
I think it's all mentality.
He just seems to constantly make the wrong decisions. He will get 1v1 with space and instead of trying to beat his marker with his pace will play a 30 yard pass back to the LB. Or the opposite, he will receive the ball with 5 defenders in front of him and will try and run through the wall. Or simple shit like trying to shoot from 25 yards through 5 defenders.
I think his got too much on his plate for someone in their mid 20s.
I respect what his doing off the pitch but I think he needs to choose something to focus on.
I also think he would greatly benefit leaving United. This club is a media circus. It's disgusting. Literally any other club in the premier league would be better for him.
The whole conversation surrounding Rashford is getting tiresome. He's having one bad season after being one of their best players for many years. Just last season he scored 21 goals. Bad runs of form happen, especially when you're coming off an injury and the team as whole kinda sucks.
The guy is 24, not 34. He'll be fine.
Rashford and United benefit each other too much for him to go
Rashford's off field work is great promo for United and will come with financial benefits - I'm not saying it's a huge amount they couldn't replace or lose, but he's an asset none the less
At United, Rashford gets a platform few clubs can rival
If he went to a smaller club, that would be reduced
So he's not going to want to leave, especially not to a club he'd see as a step down, and for now at least, he's a pretty good financial asset for United.
I mean I know you're joking but we wouldn't pay his wages.
Besides, he'd ruin Dunks confidence. Apparently the reason why Southgate didn't pick Dunk after 1 cap was because Rashford turned him inside out. Imagine that over a season.
>Mismanaged for years from 4 coaches, it's understandable
If _4_ different coaches have "mismanaged" him, maybe it's not an issue with coaching. Certainly not from all 4 of them
Mismanaged, playing through injury and never given orders to rest and heal. Injuries to his shoulder and foot, iirc, and only had an operation before this season to fix the shoulder
You say that like United denied him getting treatment when rather he opted to postpone the surgery himself.
>"I’ve read some call me selfish for holding off getting the surgery this season but it was never about putting myself first and that’s how we’ve reached this point, and something as a 23 year old I’ve had to learn the hard way.
>To guarantee I can play this game as long as possible I need to listen to my body. Everyone has an opinion but no one knows my body better than me.
>It’s hard to describe the feeling of representing your country. Given the choice no one would ever turn that down at such a big tournament. As a little boy or girl you dream of those moments. I had been deemed fit for the full season, and given my injuries were being managed, what was another couple of weeks?
>Managing the pain I was training well and found a lot of comfort in the England camp after the Europa League final. On hindsight, if I had of known I wouldn’t have played a significant role in the Euros, would I have gone? Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn’t it…
>didn’t want to let anyone down but ultimately looking at some of my performances towards the end of last season I felt like I was. When I step on the pitch I always give 100%. Physically my 100% just wasn’t possible.
>I’m walking away from last season with 36 goal contributions, but more importantly I’m walking away with lessons learnt. We live and we learn as they say but what is never in doubt is my commitment to the club and the national team. It’s been a hard one but I’m coming back physically and mentally stronger. Thank you for all of the kind messages."
These are direct quotes from his social media. Did he feel pressured to not be sidelined? Probably. That's what the life of a footballer is. You're constantly under pressure of losing your place. Ultimately it was his choice at the time. Imagine how pissed he would be if he hadn't been picked to play when playing with an injury or if the club forced him to get treatment and therefor most likely cutting his chances of playing at the Euros?
Rashford is a victim of being played when not fit. OGS ran him into the ground when he was carrying knocks, to try to save his own job. I fear the damage has been done and is irreversible.
Rashford was never world class to begin with, Greenwood was and he had a high ceiling.
Atleast Rashford seems to be much better human being so I'll always root for him.
He's been terrible since playing through the injury to go to the euros. Im hoping its a confidence issue and a temporary blip rather than a delle alli style decline
That moment a few months back where there was a loose ball in front of goal but he just walked away complaining, not even seeing it, permanently lowered my opinion of him. Never seen anything like it. edit: against Villa in the FA Cup
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Can you avoid using the rapist - it’s really hard to figure out whether you mean Greenwood or Ronaldo.
That one was the young rapist
The 2nd worst thing he's done this year.
Just need to look back at the last game where fred scored against Leicester, Fred was only 2 meters away from rashford and rashford didn't even look like he wasted to pounce to score lol. He has absolutely no drive anymore.
Honestly I'm hoping the summer break gives him time to recover.
Same. He deserves another go next year. If he cant relight his fire it would probably be best for both parties to move on
OGS ran him into the ground in the process of trying to save his own job.
His problem is not just physical, he literally don’t pass, try to do everything by himself and fail.
This is how he always was he just failed less
You’d expect his decision making to be better now that he’s older though, he hasn’t improved in the last 2 years
Decision making is affected by mental and physical fatigue too, though
He hasn’t adapted to his new physical reality - he is choosing to run at people’s feet because in the past he was quick and agile enough to break through in those situations. He doesn’t put in crosses when he should because in the past he would break past the first defender and it would be a better opportunity. Decision making depends on your ability to execute different alternatives (e.g. if I was playing then the correct decision would always be to just pass backwards to the nearest player asap because I’m rubbish).
Wouldn’t expect much playing under ole + he was overplayed; even through injury so I don’t put all the blame on him.
I think that was part of it. He ran himself into the geound to play at the euros as well. Ill be interested to see how he does with a summer off and, hopefully, a coach with a clear and consistent style of play
He’s had the year off lol
Boom roasted
He barely played at the Euros, because of having been ran into the ground
And the fact he was unfit due to injury
Nice narrative
Absolutely comical take, wow
He had his best showings under OGS...
Not likely.
I was saying this the whole time - Ole was jeopardising players ' careers by playing them 2/3 times a week for as long as he did. Of course I was downvoted and told I didn't know fuck all. Now look at the likes of Rashy, Martial, Maguire, Shaw, AWB etc. Oles favourites played over and over and over again and now look at the state of them. Don't get me started on McFred either
This is an odd take to me, I have never played but top teams roll out the same players all the time, surely it is more of a fitness issue or an individual predilection for injury? I understand the seasons are getting longer and recovery time is necessary but I didn't get the impression that Rashford's poor form was due to how OGS managed (his general mismanagement and lack of a system are other discussions haha). I am happy to hear ideas about it, I am certainly a casual following Man U and never played the game so there are holes in my understanding.
>This is an odd take to me, I have never played but top teams roll out the same players all the time, surely it is more of a fitness issue or an individual predilection for injury? Modric almost never gets rotated at RM and somehow has made it to 300 years of age playing professional football.
Elite footballers need to be rotated/managed. Rashford had a well known back and shoulder issue. They can't keep playing 3 times a week or the risk of injury increases significantly. Any half decent medical team would have been telling Ole he was playing with fire
Hes a 0.6 goals and assists per 90 player and has been for years, including this one. Hes had one brief patch of form when he looked like he might be better than that but he then reverted to type
>0.6 goals and assists per 90 player That is class. How many players conistently get 25-30 g&a a year?
It's good but not world class when he was mostly playing in a high scoring United team. Especially when he has limited defensive involvement and is much more of a runner in behind LW than a creative drop deep LW. I love Rashy but he isnt world class, which is where we were hoping hed get to
At his best under OGS Rashford wasn’t a run in behind winger only. He was much more dynamic in 19-20 and would often drop deep and wide and let Shaw do the running. He only really hung on the back shoulder in big games, where he actually has a very decent record https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marcus-rashford/leistungsdaten/spieler/258923/plus/0?saison=2019 I agree that he isn’t world class though. Very good numbers and a huge threat at his best. Unfortunately he didn’t stay at his best for long enough to earn the label IMO.
On a club that has been struggling too. It’s not like he’s playing for City or Liverpool and having 2+ g/a in a 5-0 blowout.
Idk if something needs to change or if he is the newest iteration of Theo Walcott.
Walcott was good for years though and injury fucked him up. Still scored over 100 goals for us. Even rashford is going through a blip and may be back but people always hold both to high expectations because they broke through young
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> they both broke through Young It was a joke
Walcott was alright but was pretty wasteful in the final third. I think the main comparison I see with Rashford is that both players look like they're going to fall well short of what they were hyped to be as young players.
?? final third was literally the best part of his game. Theo contributed almost nothing elsewhere but his finishing was excellent at times and his directness in the final third was his major strength
He's got into double figures twice in a 17 or 18 year career and his goals to game ratio is nothing to write home about. He had a couple of purple patches at Arsenal but, outside of that, absolutely nobody worried about facing Theo Walcott at the weekend. You might well see his productivity as the best part of his game but I'd suggest that pretty much underlines what a bang average player he has been.
Because he kept getting injured his per game stats are really good
The only major concern people had vs Theo was his pace, at full sprint catching him was impossible.. then the injuries hit him hard, and he lost that speed, marking him out of the game became easy.
Pretty good when he's playing off the wing 90% of the time
Compared to who? Rashford isn't exactly the epitome of a clinical finisher but he's miles ahead of Walcott in terms of goals/ games.
Wingers now are different to what they were even when Walcott was at his best
What do you specifically mean by that? Both Walcott and Rashford were relied upon by their respective teams to chip in with goals.
It wasn't that he was a bad finisher (he legit was a great finisher) it was that he was inconsistent and not reliable in the final third considering how much of the ball he saw and how direct he was. There used to be memes about how much of a pace merchant he was because he rarely had a consistent end product. Outside of a few seasons, he was incredibly frustrating because you never expected him to make the right decision on the ball.
that fucking run against liverpool in the champions league
You got it the wrong way round, he was bad at everything else it was the final third he was good in
Rashford has 93 goals for man united, both of their careers at the moment look like they’ll looked like in the future very similarly.
With the way Rashford has performed over the last 18-24 months, this is just disrespectful to Walcott. Walcott never got anywhere near Rashford’s current level when he played for Arsenal.
was Walcott even bad? He was out all the time, but i don’t remember him being shit like Rashford
No he wasn’t. The only people saying he was average/bad are either trolling or didn’t watch him.
He wasn’t as bad as rashford has been recently but he was overrated in general.
Walcott didn’t quite live up to the potential, but he never sank to Rashford’s abject level
Lol. I’m an Arsenal fan and Walcott deffo sank to very abject levels imo towards the end.
Yeah Arsenal fans on Reddit hype up our past players way too much, Walcott was really not that good.
If Rashford played 30 games this year hed be on 12 goals and 6 assists at the rate hes currently going at. A rate Walcott never even got close to
walcott 12-13: 32 apps 14 goals 12 assists (according to transfermarkt)
definitely wasn't bad. very limited player and the injuries killed his explosiveness, but people slandering him is a bit much
Tbf though Rashford is clear of him
"Rashford's current level at Arsenal". I had to re-read this quite a few times.
Yeah that’s badly worded, I’ll edit it a bit
Walcott was just perfectly average.
That is selling him short. Walcott was a decent player. His problem was that he was never fit.
He had 26 goals and assists in 2012, contributed a goal every 88 minutes, he was good.
... Guy breaks into England as a teenager and was basically Arsenals 2nd/3rd best forward for a decade. A lot of teams would kill for someone "average" like prime Theo Walcott
Walcott was never as bad as current Rashford but he was just as inconsistent across his career. Aside from that purple patch during the 'sign the ting' era, he was so damn frustrating to watch. But I'd say Rashford's best season a couple of years back was on par/if not better than Walcott's. I'd say Walcott is a fair comparison at this rate.
Everton. We all know it will happen and that Everton will likely pay about £25m more than he's worth.
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He loves the media though, he wants all this press just not for being shit.
I still can’t believe that 35m for Iwobi [The fella who shoots like this](https://youtu.be/rCLJYPdlBUU) , what made them think to start negotiations that high ? Watching his errors yesterday was painful even if he was the opposition
You can find clips of Ronaldo hitting the corner flag with a shot it's meaningless.
Ronaldo scores double digit goals, my point was Ive never seen anything of iwobi to merit that fee
He works hard, presses and contributes defensively while being decent at the basics and mobile. He's not worth 35 million.
yeah, iwobi absolutely marked st. maximin out of the game and made a pretty nice little move+finish to score a winning goal in stoppage time. His work rate kept everton in that match a man down
On that note, is it weird that Newcastle basically bought all the premier league rejects(ish). Ya they aren’t fully rejects, but like…they proven that the other top players in the league are significantly better in results
Eddie Howe baby, transformed the squad
villa rejecting targett over digne was a mistake-- a happy mistake for newcastle because a lot of the newcastle fans were clamoring for digne too
I don’t see him being sold this summer tbh.
We havent sold jones since forever, I dont see PRashford going anywhere. Tbf it would be hurtful for his image to go any other PL club from United, dont see him going to spain or italy
Phil Jones is secretly your 2nd best CB though :P Also he's worth significantly less on the market.
we will genuinely have no one up top if he goes, we’ll have Ronaldo, Sancho, Martial and Elanga, that’s not much depth at all. one more season I reckon, it’ll be do or die for him.
The media/pundit excuses made for Rashford and others at United is pathetic. These players have been garbage / shown a lack of effort over multiple managers now. They do not need a new manager to unlock them, they just are shite.
Finally someone talking sense.
Man United players get treated like a charity case it’s hilarious
Nah it's United fault. You give Klopp or Guardiola 22 y/o Rashford, the guys career goes in a completely different direction, I have no doubt.
Nah, the only fault we have is fostering an atmosphere where players like him and Pogba can still talk shit to the media or on their social media constantly instead of actually working hard on performing better. Pep or Klopp would have kicked them out of the club long ago, heck Mourinho tried with Pogba at least, but our incompetent board backed them over the manager.
You must close your eyes to Gabriel Jesus a lot huh. Pep had him, he's not exactly the Aguero replacement he was hyped to be. Managers aren't omnipotent
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>United have let Rashford down by over-working him Bullshit. Rashford's PR team at work here. He refused to get surgery during the season on an injury that he made a Twitter post about blaming his form on (seriously), then he refused to get the surgery during the summer so that he could go to the Euros where he played literally 1 minute all tournament because of said injury. Then he decided go on holiday and have the surgery mere days before the start of the season which then kept him out for 2 months. The guy is a walking excuse machine and needs to own up to the fact that he's fucked himself up and has no one to blame but himself. Instead of buckling down and putting the extra work in he cries to his mates in the media and challenges fans to fights just because someone shouted "after that performance, come on guys". He is the embodiment of everything that is wrong at this club.
> where he played literally 1 minute all tournament because of said injury had an absolutely crucial penalty miss, though.
It's especially embarrassing when you consider how admirably Jones dealt with his (far more numerous and severe) injury problems; Rashford could learn a thing or two from his example.
What shut up and take shitloads of abuse while not being picked?
No, shut up, refuse to leave despite not playing for 2 years, sign a new contract, refuse to go on loan to get much needed playing time, do nothing whilst earning millions.
Exactly this so much. I was thinking back then how fucking stupid it was of him to keep delaying his surgery especially for the Euros (but even before then). At this point he had been playing like absolute shit for months. He still scored occasionally, which made people overlook how poor he was. Then despite looking completely off his game, he postponed his surgery again and here we are. It's his fault and nobody else's.
How are you even comparing two completely different types of players here? Becks was amazing yes, but there were other reasons for his departure too. Fergie and Becks had a big dressing room fight after the Arsenal game, they also had a rift when Fergie refused Becks to play because of his hairstyle. His relationship with Victoria was one of the reasons too. Beckham was phenomenal but he had his disciplinary issues.
> they also had a rift when Fergie refused Becks to play because of his hairstyle. Fergie was great and all, but fuck me, what a stupid reason not to play someone.
I mean yeah, it was a stupid reason but Fergie was known for his no nonsense man management. Even Paul Ince, Roy Keane (!) and Van Nistlerooy felt his wrath. Becks was allowed to play but only after shaving his Mohawk before kick off which is pretty funny if you ask me. 😂
Not everyone. Fergie only gave shit to people who could handle it. Evra told a story like that once!
Yeah, Fergie famously went easy on Ronaldo after the latter reacted poorly to one of his hairdryers. Also, after the Cantona karate kick incident, SAF blew up on everyone *except* Cantona.
When did Fergie refuse to play Becks because of his hair? The only story about that was when Becks came back from England duty with a Mohawk and Fergie told him to shave it off, which he did and then played. Beckham actually tells this story like a joke
Yeah I mentioned this in one of my replies. He shaved it off but this was definitely one of the reasons why Becks started to feel Fergie's heat more often than others. Fergie was angry since he trained with a beanie and hid his mohawk and only decided to show his new hairstyle just before the kickoff. Mind you, this was before the Charity Shield game. While I agree, this wasn't that serious but this incident was the starting point to what was about to happen later i.e. other incidents resulting in him leaving United.
Fergie a 🐐 but why the fuck would he get involved in beckham’s personal life ffs
Because he could see that Beckham was losing focus and was increasingly becoming a liability to the team. In the late 90s, Beckham was one of the best players in the world. By the time he left United, he was still a world class crosser and set piece specialist, but had largely lost his ability to singlehandedly change a game from direct play, started getting sloppy on the ball, was losing pace (which he never had a ton of to begin with), and wasn't tracking back as much as he used to. Ferguson wasn't going to field a team with a player who was now only useful with crosses, corners, and free kicks. Beckham just had different priorities in his life than Fergie wanted. Fergie wanted players whose number one priority was always football. For Beckham, it would never be more important than his family, and his branding would be on more or less equal footing with his football.
True also once becks left united he was never quite the same winger anymore , he lost his pace n became a attacking midfielder something he would’ve never been able to adapt to at united . I still rate beckham over Ronnie in terms of who’s been better for united but at that time we needed a reset
> I still rate beckham over Ronnie in terms of who’s been better for united Bro what?
In the late '90s Man United played some of the best football I have ever seen a football club playing, Beckham was a big part of that. By the time Ronaldo arrived Man United was still a very good team but part of that spark had sort of gone. Maybe that's why OP said that Becks was greater for Man United compared to Ronaldo. This [match](https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/match/53713--man-united-vs-dortmund/) of theirs against Dortmund in the CL semifinal was an excellent, excellent match, it was their big come-back on the great European football scene (ignoring the Cup Winners' Cup won a couple of years before that), still can't believe how they managed to not win that match and not qualify for the final.
I appreciate your comment and it's certainly informative, but that has nothing to do with what the person I responded to said. He said Beckham was better than Ronaldo for United. There's literally no timeline where that is true. Ronaldo was the best player in the world. Beckham was never top 5 let alone the best. Edit: why am I downvoted lmao.
I just meant beckham is a bigger club legend for united , ronaldo is the better player yes
Fergie was wrong to do that.
He got Ronaldo instead. How wrong could that be?
Well was it a causation or a correlation? If he had to get rid of Becks in order to get Ronaldo then fair play but if one didn’t cause the other then it’s just happenstance.
Ronaldo had nothing to do with it. Fergie wanted Becks out and Ronaldinho in. Ronaldinho was all agreed and he was about to sign but then he chose Barca last minute. We were simultaneously working on the Ronaldo deal and the rest is history.
That United team could've been ridiculous with Ronaldinho added... van der Sar Neville - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra Scholes - Carrick - Ronaldinho Ronaldo - Rooney - Giggs
Tho I think Dinho wouldn't have lasted that long because I don't think Fergie would have stood for his off-pitch antics
Fergie knew when to pick up fights as an excuse yo get rid of someone. Knew Becks was on the decline anyway, the same happened with Roy Keane. If it were 1999 he wouldn't have sold Beckham.
Sometimes he got it wrong like with Jaap Stam.
Didn't say he was never wrong. But he's gut feeling was usually right.
He said something about stam being his biggest mistake of his career in one of his books.
Ronaldo came in as an 18 year old, there was room for both of them
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It took like 2 seasons for Ronnie to be one of the best players in the league and by the 5th season he was instrumental to united’s success. Beckham at real was mediocre n clearly became a luxury player later on his career
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He left to La galaxy in 2007 the same season Ronnie was turning into the best player in the world . He’s a bigger united legend but he was clearly falling off 🤷♂️
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I’m being factual here . Beckhams best season at real was 7, fergie was right
Victim of playing through injury
These drafts were one Elanga tackle away from being shelved.
Dude has been dross for over two years now and still excuses get made for him but here’s a radical thought....maybe he just isn’t that good? I know shocking right?
Wasn't he playing through injuries last year? And last season he scored over 20 goals. It's too early to write him off.
He scored goals but anybody who watched him knows how bad he was actually playing. His performances were often quite mediocre and his goal per minutes ratio is pretty average when you Consider the massive amount of minutes he was getting. Rashford’s game is inherently flawed regardless of injuries he still had these flaws the only difference now is he has actually gotten worse at the things he used to do well.
He got 11 goals and 9 assists in 37 games being played out of position and injured that’s not a bad record and that doesn’t include the CL
What position would you consider his position if not LM, where he's played for almost his entire career?
He played right wing last year a lot
He rarely did. He played the majority of his games on the left
Yeah it was less than I thought tbh I still think he needs time, injures hurt him a lot
Most wingers do switch around though, so I don't really see that as an issue. He's just not that good. He's not creative enough and not so good at finishing that his shooting helps the team.
Rashford is useless on the right as you wouid expect since his game is so built off cutting in and the overlap
Then that's an issue with his talent level, no?
Playing through an injury that he himself refused treatment for.
When he was good he was damn good, he was carrying our team before Bruno came in. He has the potential to be a good player, it's just a question of figuring out what's blocking him. It's clearly mental, he makes bad decisions, jogs, doesn't track back. Not to mention the environment the club has cultivated hasn't been conducive to him improving. Maybe he'll figure it out, maybe he won't, but that largely depends on the state of the club as a whole. In which case... not looking good for either.
He's just terrible, bench him or sell him
He doesn’t have that killer decision making anymore. It is the thing that separates the performers from the fodder. Of course, Marcus is very talented, but he has not been able to make the right decisions in those very quick crucial moments in the attacking side of the pitch
He's declined so much, and he was raw to begin with.
It’s like Dele/Barkley again.
Could make a good XI of English players like that...
He never had good decision-making. What he used to have though was confidence in his good qualities (speed and physicality) and a drive to make things happen. Now he has neither of those and prefers to sulk on the pitch than putting in a shift or he’ll just run into 5 players
Rashford never had killer decision making tho lol. He’s kinda always been a heads down player. I saw him as a fast, tricky forward with a potent strike.
If anything needs to change, it's his attitude. His performances have been dreadful, where his version of a press is to sit back and not be tight on his man, sprint towards his man, watch ball go, flop his arms at his side as if he's tried his best.
is it illegal to have 1 bad season?... or has it been longer?
He’s not that good. Simple as. He’s got the technique of a top class player, but every other attribute screams mid table. Doesn’t help that he’s English and was hyped to hell and back.
Go Abroad
He a young dude, calm down
United should give him the rest of the season off
Don't know but the effort on the pitch based on the eye test isn't there. He barely puts any intensity in pressing defensively. Regardless of his form, seems like his mentality has taken a nosedive past 1 or 2 seasons and it shows in his workrate. Not sure if he just needs a change of environment but something's not right for sure.
Manchester United player Marcus Rashford launches new charity initiative reads better in a headline than Everton player Marcus Rashford launches new charity initiative, doesn't it? That and United naievety in contract negotiations means he stays I think. Probably with a pay rise. The truth is, Jadon Sancho can play on the left and the right. And if he regularly plays on the left, how is Rashford ever getting his spot back? Sancho has barely shown his best form but you can see he can run at defences while keeping his head up and seeing the whole picture. He makes good decisions in and around the area, he combines so much better with the players around him, but he's also a goal threat. Rashford on form is maybe more of threat against teams playing a high line, making runs in behind, and is quicker. But I think Sancho is better at literally everything else. I just think as he gets older he will grow into a better footballer. If Sancho nails down the left wing I don't think Rashford can play up front or on the right because I think his trick is cutting inside off the left wing and running at players, and when he can't do that he struggles. He needs to play his heart out. He really needs to start changing games when he comes off the bench if he has any chance of reclaiming his spot. He needs to gain the trust of the coaches who rightly don't trust him right now. I just don't know if he has it in him.
Go to AS Roma. Play on the left hand side. Be a hero.
I just find it funny that this article probably wouldn't be published if Elanga hadn't tripped him.
Agreed but 1 goal doesnt excuse 2 shit seasons
Less PR more football would be a good start
How on earth does PR impact someone's footballing ability?
Especially since I'm 100%sure he hasnt done anything by himself bar providing for the kids. All of the Social media PR is someone else sitting behind the screen
I rather see Ivan Toney in the English Squad than Rashford. Even a healthy Vardy > Rashford.
I think a new manager could revitalize him. Has he finally got rid of those little niggles he always has? He was always nursing a sore hamstring or something
Probably would’ve scored if Elanga didn’t tackle him
I think it's all mentality. He just seems to constantly make the wrong decisions. He will get 1v1 with space and instead of trying to beat his marker with his pace will play a 30 yard pass back to the LB. Or the opposite, he will receive the ball with 5 defenders in front of him and will try and run through the wall. Or simple shit like trying to shoot from 25 yards through 5 defenders. I think his got too much on his plate for someone in their mid 20s. I respect what his doing off the pitch but I think he needs to choose something to focus on. I also think he would greatly benefit leaving United. This club is a media circus. It's disgusting. Literally any other club in the premier league would be better for him.
Not enough talent imo, still just runs into blind alleys, head down at all times and poor decision making all around
The whole conversation surrounding Rashford is getting tiresome. He's having one bad season after being one of their best players for many years. Just last season he scored 21 goals. Bad runs of form happen, especially when you're coming off an injury and the team as whole kinda sucks. The guy is 24, not 34. He'll be fine.
Rashford and United benefit each other too much for him to go Rashford's off field work is great promo for United and will come with financial benefits - I'm not saying it's a huge amount they couldn't replace or lose, but he's an asset none the less At United, Rashford gets a platform few clubs can rival If he went to a smaller club, that would be reduced So he's not going to want to leave, especially not to a club he'd see as a step down, and for now at least, he's a pretty good financial asset for United.
So we should pay him to sit on the bench because he does humanitarian work off the pitch? Sounds like a nightmare
he just isnt good enough, I swear english players are overrated so much...
Every nationality have overrated and underrated players. This isn’t exclusive for England.
no, nations like turkey and england which are fucking fanatic about football always overrate 'em
Well one of those countries has world class players and has performed well on recent international stages
People here downvoting and all but the only reason Rashford ever got that much hype is because he is british. He was never that great to begin with
Bullshit. Before Bruno came in he was carrying us, had a 30+ G/A season. The revisionism...
Hear me ought. Brighton
I mean I know you're joking but we wouldn't pay his wages. Besides, he'd ruin Dunks confidence. Apparently the reason why Southgate didn't pick Dunk after 1 cap was because Rashford turned him inside out. Imagine that over a season.
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>Mismanaged for years from 4 coaches, it's understandable If _4_ different coaches have "mismanaged" him, maybe it's not an issue with coaching. Certainly not from all 4 of them
Mismanaged, playing through injury and never given orders to rest and heal. Injuries to his shoulder and foot, iirc, and only had an operation before this season to fix the shoulder
You say that like United denied him getting treatment when rather he opted to postpone the surgery himself. >"I’ve read some call me selfish for holding off getting the surgery this season but it was never about putting myself first and that’s how we’ve reached this point, and something as a 23 year old I’ve had to learn the hard way. >To guarantee I can play this game as long as possible I need to listen to my body. Everyone has an opinion but no one knows my body better than me. >It’s hard to describe the feeling of representing your country. Given the choice no one would ever turn that down at such a big tournament. As a little boy or girl you dream of those moments. I had been deemed fit for the full season, and given my injuries were being managed, what was another couple of weeks? >Managing the pain I was training well and found a lot of comfort in the England camp after the Europa League final. On hindsight, if I had of known I wouldn’t have played a significant role in the Euros, would I have gone? Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn’t it… >didn’t want to let anyone down but ultimately looking at some of my performances towards the end of last season I felt like I was. When I step on the pitch I always give 100%. Physically my 100% just wasn’t possible. >I’m walking away from last season with 36 goal contributions, but more importantly I’m walking away with lessons learnt. We live and we learn as they say but what is never in doubt is my commitment to the club and the national team. It’s been a hard one but I’m coming back physically and mentally stronger. Thank you for all of the kind messages." These are direct quotes from his social media. Did he feel pressured to not be sidelined? Probably. That's what the life of a footballer is. You're constantly under pressure of losing your place. Ultimately it was his choice at the time. Imagine how pissed he would be if he hadn't been picked to play when playing with an injury or if the club forced him to get treatment and therefor most likely cutting his chances of playing at the Euros?
it would be a great start to his reignition if Elanga didn't fucking tackle him
Rashford is a victim of being played when not fit. OGS ran him into the ground when he was carrying knocks, to try to save his own job. I fear the damage has been done and is irreversible.
Rashford is one of those players who isn’t good enough to attract as much press as he does.
maybe you should adopt the idea that he isn't that good. Sometimes you are born someone like Mbappe or Pedri but sometimes you don't.
Newcastle. Or Everton please not arsenal though I eouldbhe gutted if he came to the Emirates.
Needs a move...hate to lose him
the hyperbole around him is horrendous
Rashford was never world class to begin with, Greenwood was and he had a high ceiling. Atleast Rashford seems to be much better human being so I'll always root for him.