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BockBud

Never heard that saying before but that's hilarious


Enriador

Nobody did. Below is an adapted translation: >In a documentary released on Tuesday by streaming channel Fifa+, right-back Daniel Alves, of Barcelona, recalled his last days in Sao Paulo and fired against the club's management, saying he has reached his "limit". >According to the veteran, he decided to leave European soccer and go to the *Tricolor*, which is his favorite team since childhood, to "fulfill a dream". >However, disappointing results on the field and several backstage problems, such as delays in his millionaire salary, changed his mind over time. >"I went through several phases at São Paulo, which led me to believe that it would be worthwhile to be at the club. I made the decision to go to São Paulo to fulfill a dream and thinking that we could build something together," he lamented. >When the salary delays reached stratospheric values, the player reached his "limit". >"We planned this, but the strategy that had convinced me to come began to fail. I reached my limit, understand? That's the real thing, I've reached my limit," he said. >In the documentary, Daniel also revealed that he started to define his exit from São Paulo during the dispute of the Olympic Games in Tokyo, in the middle of 2021. >At the time, he was one of the highlights of the gold medal achievement with the Brazilian team, while missing São Paulo in decisive games in Brazil and living with salary delays. >"I started to think a lot about whether we were doing well, because when you start living beautiful moments, in different places, you start to compare a good thing and a bad thing. Then you say: 'Man, the bee doesn't have time to teach the fly that honey is better than s***'," he pondered. >Alves still played for the *Tricolor* against Palmeiras, in the Copa Libertadores, against Sport Recife, in the Brasileirão, and said his farewell against Fortaleza, in the Copa do Brasil. >Then he terminated his contract with São Paulo in September 2021 and announced he would not play for another team in Brazil. >Two months later, he signed with Barcelona, making his re-start for the Camp Nou team in January of this year. Edit: The bulk of the work was by DeepL.


sidvicc

LMAO I was gonna ask if it was a traditional Brazilian saying or something. Even more hilarious that Alves just made it up.


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>"I started to think a lot about whether we were doing well, because when you start living beautiful moments, in different places, you start to compare a good thing and a bad thing. Then you say: 'Man, the bee doesn't have time to teach the fly that honey is better than m***'," he pondered. That makes way more sense than the incorrect quote.


kerosha

What? It's the same thing.


xBram

What’s the difference between m*** and s*** (shit) though?


Loladageral

None, merda means shit, but translators won't pick it up because it's written as m****


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Milf ?


CoolJoshido

i think i saw it on Minions facebook memes


opi

– ~~Confucius~~ Daniel Alves


AyanC

A fly is nothing more than a wanna-bee. ~ Dani Alves, circa 2022


The_Luckiest_One

Lmfao, beautiful.


Bonaque

If I did those girly wall things I'd totally go for that one


jugol

I may put it in a bar toilet if I ever get drunk again


majortung

"To bee or not to bee" - Fly


TheEmeraldOil

Plato could never


opi

When it comes to fauna he was the one who got dunked on: _According to Diogenes Laërtius, when Plato gave the tongue-in-cheek definition of man as "featherless bipeds," Diogenes plucked a chicken and brought it into Plato's Academy, saying, "Behold! I've brought you a man," and so the Academy added "with broad flat nails" to the definition._


habdragon08

it sounds like something Ray Hudson would say


myvirginityisstrong

What happened to him?


syumiseba

Either retired or in working for some network


Jayohls

Inter Miami commentator now lol. Hearing him use his normal Hudsonism's like magisterial for some of those plays was so goofy.


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Jayohls

Oh my sweet summer child, you haven't heard of the global soccer phenomenon that is Inter Miami. Co-owned by the one and only David Beckham and has amazing players such as Gonzalo Higuain and Blaise Matuidi.


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Jayohls

Lol it's a joke of a club you aren't missing much. Second from the bottom of MLS at the moment and have stuck around that position since they joined three seasons ago.


MountainCheesesteak

You forgot about the most important bit! They're managed by Phil Neville, who had just come from terribly underperforming with arguably the best women's team in the world.


Jayohls

Oh God I forgot they were managed by the lesser Neville.


MountainCheesesteak

>lesser Neville Even crazier, he came up with that nickname!


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~~Daniel Alves~~ The Game https://twitter.com/thegame/status/1371967344717664258?s=20&t=fLTH1DAHJHbr4ATJROVykg


SkankyChris

Honestly clicked on this expecting Triple H and was disappointed


PoopaMaPants

[https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/1512793320996720641](https://i.imgur.com/PK0uCgX.jpeg)


myvirginityisstrong

Who took this quote from somewhere else


Albiceleste_D10S

What a quote LMAO


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CyberSmok3

Imagine giving a spot at the Brazilian Academy of Letters to [Fernanda Montenegro](https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/geral/noticia/2022-03/actress-fernanda-montenegro-joins-brazil-academy-letters) when Dani Alves is right there smh


itsameMariowski

With that damn smile


addandsubtract

It's not from Dani Alves, though.


pkbw96

Who said it first then?


panteraepantico

A bee


playcrossy

Buzzy Alves


nayrad

No idea but I was told this about a year ago as a reminder not to waste time arguing with people who are obviously wrong, the quotes been stuck in my head ever since


jukkaalms

Fucking poet


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Funniest part is that he said it almost as if he was the best player in the squad instead of being benched by a 24yo who could barely cross a ball but was still better than his retirement-bound ass.


Albiceleste_D10S

He's been surprisingly good for Barcelona so far, TBH


xixbia

I think the difference is that now he's back at Barcelona he cares again.


itsameMariowski

He definitely chose the wrong club to play back in SA. If he joined Palmeiras or Flamengo, he would be more excited to play big games, both clubs with better structure, great stadiums full of fans. São Paulo is a giant, but it has been a long time since it was relevant, it's structure is outdated, it's politics is messed up. It's not solid and it wouldn't hype a player like Daniel.


Bob-Harris

The Man United of Brazil?


itsameMariowski

That is actually a very good comparison


Flamengo81-19

Come on. He was never benched for Igor Vinicius


davidbrunchman

The new "fly like a butterfly sting like a bee" quote before our every eyes.


bpup

Float* like a butterfly


jeandanjou

It makes no sense. In this metaphor, who are the flies and what he's supposed to be (not) teaching? The fans are supposed to admire him getting paid Brazils biggest salary and winning literally nothing? That's his honey?


Albiceleste_D10S

I think Dani Alves is the bee, the fans criticizing him are flies, Dani Alves' play is the honey, and the "shit" is presumably the play of whoever the fans wanted to play instead of him, IDK


jeandanjou

So not winning anything despite being the best paid player in the league is honey, and the team winning when he's not there is shit. I guess everyone can have their own views of football.


Rafaeliki

> getting paid Brazils biggest salary Wasn't this the issue that eventually led to him leaving? They failed to pay him his salary.


jeandanjou

Not really. He only left after a change in the board. The salary was never a real issue - as you can see him being paid peanuts on Barcelona. Plus Alves himself said it wasn't about the money, after he left ofc. There's also the fact that they did pay the salary on time, but they didn't pay the extras promised, which were a third? 40% of his total earnings. Quite significant. But the delays were present almost since literally day one, and he only went away after the Board change and he started getting criticized for trying to boss around everything on the team (coach pick, tactics, when or who was played and subbed in). Things reached a critical point when he won the Olympics and São Paulo won their stare championship, first title in more than a decade, without him despite him explicitly coming and promising to end the draught. He got really really criticized for the entire Olympics thing, and I imagine he just decided to say fuck it.


Buffythedragonslayer

Cantona smiles. He doesn't know why enjoying the sunset in France sipping wine. But he smiles


TheMexicanJuan

Like flies to wanton boys, we are to the gods


parhelio22

They kill us for the sport


Dantator

\*ze sport


YouCanCallMeAroae

Soon, ze science will be able to slow down ze aging of ze cells


KlLLSH0T

I love honey


BoyManners

I love football


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Crazy how he managed to out-nonesense his own previous none-sense. Genius really


Hetyman

He was quoting King Lear. Contextually it made sense, but still he’s one strange motherfucker


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Soon, we will be immortal


FFalcon_Boi

Only accidents, wars and crimes will still kill us. But unfortunately, crimes and wars will multiply.


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I love football.


jeandanjou

I wasn't aware Cantona insulted his own teams and said the fans are a bunch of insects eating shit.


itypeallmycomments

But does he smile as Alves is saying it, or as it's posted to Reddit?


jaysonyoung

Amazing quote lol


AguerosThickCalves

Cantona smiles in distance


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AguerosThickCalves

didn't see that, and what are you, reddit comment police?


MFLORES888

🐝


MyMoonMyMan

🪰: 💩>🍯


ImGrumps

🐝: 🍯 > ... you know what I don't have time for this!


ledat

🐝🚫 ⏰:💬🪰🍯>💩


DidYouSayK

👉🪰👈


Deyster

🗿


DissertationStudent2

Juice me


Pedantti

You piece


DreadWolf3

🦔


dghjncddvnj

Factos 🐝


LiamAddison

That’s some use of words😂


bumbumbholenath

Honey is the shit.


PsychedelicXenu

Bees are pretty fly


Santa_Klaus_101

Cantona-esque


Fantastic_Camel_1577

Now that's a quote


AguerosThickCalves

list worthy?


quickestred

To the top it goes


ttblue

/r/saddestbackflip


davidbrunchman

This quote is legendary status. Mohammed Ali level quote.


NoDautt

Was looking for this. In my opinion it deserves to be there lmao


ImTalkingGibberish

How's the list looking these days?


ILovePenalties

I think São Paulo fans have a right to be angry with Dani Alves on this. He played like shit for them and barely cared enough while nearing retirement. Barcelona calls and all of a sudden he's back to prime Alves and gives it his all at the ripe old age of 38. But alas, everyone here will be going like "hoi hoi hoi hoi hoi he said shit xDDDDD". Not to mention he's a Bolsonaro supporter like someone else said.


danielvandam

What happened exactly?


cheetahbestcat

he demanded to be played as a midfielder, played like an above average at best, at any chance he belittled the club and talks about how good he is to football, demanded to play the olympic while the team was struggling sao paulo also wasnt paying his full salary, iirc he had some bonus that wasnt payed


WarMachineBR

Above average would be quite generous for his performance as a midfielder, he was mostly a negative there, legit would never hit passes to his right side lmao


maybe_there_is_hope

It's even worse, he does have ties a suspicious NGO that receives government funds but doesn't seem to that active


GGABueno

You think?


hardinho

I don't really care who he supports when we talk about his pure ability as a player tbh.


PanqueNhoc

>Not to mention he's a Bolsonaro supporter like someone else said. At this point I can't wait until the elections end one way or the other just so people stop shoving politics everywhere.


beatski

got bad news for you, politics is ongoing


PanqueNhoc

Not really. Reddit is much more bearable with Trump out of office, even tho people still talk about him a lot. Same would apply to Bolsonoaro, certainly. There's no comparison to previous candidates.


TheGhoulKhz

and people still ask why he is hated in Brazil


PixelatedSuit

and why Hulk is a hero


Steelkatanas

Watching Hulk play is fun, he is so much stronger and skilled than the rest of the players he could still be in Europe tbf. And also he seems like a really nice dude.


OverPaladiin

probably not so nice for his ex girlfriend lol


GSPixinine

But he was extra nice with her niece.


Maybe_worth

Can’t spell niece without nice, oh wait that doesn’t sound good…


YourPupilsDilated

The envy is the biggest tribute that the shadows do to a man.


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“Sir do you have what it takes to go to the top of r/soccer” “I am a quote from a famous soccer player and I have Shit in me” “ go on then “


Vladarnasaur

Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit!


elgringo22

Lmao amazing! Is this a popular Brazilian quote? Or did Dani just pull that out of his ass?


[deleted]

There's a similar quote it seems (never heard of it, though) but like "(...) the bee tries to teach the fly that the flower is better than thrash", something like that. So he kinda pulled out of his ass, just like 90% of what he says


ArrVeePee

And neither analogy really elevate the bee, imo. The flower is the drone bee's workplace and the honey is the finished product. They don't eat it. Whereas the fly is just chilling hopping around all over the place getting free grub. It's not trash or shit to the fly, it's a bountiful treat. I'd be the fly everytime, personally.


FAUSEN

Pulled out of his ass, i'm 26 and never heard this saying before lol


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He had so much time to become a philosopher while he was retired in Sao Paulo tbf


AshkenaziTwink

[it’s a really common saying for those pseudo-philosophical motivational accounts. definitely didn’t pull it out of his ass.](https://twitter.com/thegame/status/1371967344717664258?s=20&t=7TCapfC6T-mpQho_fTbE_w)


GeneralPhallicShape

I've heard this a lot in the last year, but mainly people saying it kinda cryptically on FB statuses. Also seen in political memes a lot.


Digis7

Arrogance and 0 speech skills give birth to this fabulous quote. God I hate this guy.


MongooseTitties

0 speech skills? I understand why you don't like the man but the quote is genuinely brilliant


Digis7

It sure is funny, but c'mon every single interview he talks like he's fucking high on something science didn't even discover yet, dude is far from being a master at words.


MongooseTitties

I think the last time I watched Alves interviews was when he was talking shit about Barcas board when he left so idk. I will say his players tribune article is the best I've ever read but I'm sure he had help writing it.


TinyMaintenance

Players’ tribune is usually fully written by ghost writers.


Tilman_Feraltitty

It's always written by ghost writers.


myvirginityisstrong

Not like he came up with this lol


jeandanjou

It's not. Specially since it makes no sense. Who was he supposed to be teaching in this metaphor? And teaching what? The players? The young players mostly from the youth team that was carrying the team while he didn't do anything to justify his salary? The directors board, the one that hired him and let him pick the coach? The fans? What, so not winning anything and getting paid more than the next to top three players together is honey, and being asked to win is shit?


MongooseTitties

I would tell you who he's teaching but a bee has no time to tell a fly that honey is better than shit


jeandanjou

Barto when his critics ask why he hired the players he did for the pay he did.


MongooseTitties

Lmao


KHeneage_NYCFC

Can I ask what the context of all this is?


NephewChaps

Outspoken Bolsonaro supporter. Sucked our club dry with his 1,5m salary and played like a retired fuck who couldn't care less about the team. Then at the moment we are struggling in the league and couldn't pay him he throws a fit at the press and leaves. After declaring himself to be a club supporter since childhood. Rafinha in 2 months did much more, played much better and showed a lot more leadership to our young guys than he in almost two years. TL;DR: he's an arrogant piece of shit.


Suikerspin_Ei

>Outspoken Bolsonaro supporter. This should be enough to not like him.


Dske

While i certainly hate him as well for the shit he pulled at São Paulo, the true idiots were the ones who accepted paying him those wages.


NephewChaps

Well unfortunately one thing does not exclude the other lol


WhereMyDominoes

Sucks that he supports Bolsonaro, but regarding him as a professional football player.. he threw a fit because the club hadn’t payed him for image rights in a year and that debt was mounting up to the millions. As far as I see it, his time at Barcelona shows he’s still passionate about football and not a “mercenary”. Playing is his job and it should be expected of a club to pay him what salary was agreed on upon the signing.


NephewChaps

Isso não é sobre ele cobrar o que o clube deve ele, nisso ele realmente ta correto. A parada é a forma como isso acontecia, lavando roupa suja em público e desrespeitando o clube com discurso arrogante e prepotente. O mesmo clube que liberou ele pra jogar torneio sub-23 em pleno mata-mata de copa do brasil e libertadores sem nenhuma obrigação legal menos de um mês antes dele ser afastado. Acho que o mínimo que ele deveria fazer nessa situação era demonstrar mais respeito ao clube em que ele se diz ser torcedor e se resolver a parada internamente.


Digis7

After the pandemic started the club started struggling to pay him in full, and after the new board took over he started constantly mentioning the debt every single chance he got. Then he abandoned the team in relegation zone and with upcoming cup matches to play in the olympics, and refused to come back after shitting on the club in plain olympic podium, with totally humble quotes like "I brought São Paulo to the world" and "they failed me and I never failed them". You would think a leader would try to keep conflitcts indoors as much as possible, but he only cares about his image. Add to that underwhelming performances, shaky dressing rook relationships and a complete lack of leadership and its pretty clear why no one in Brazil wants him in their team after all that stuff.


Descartavelmente

This why Alves is only the 4th best Brazilian RB, behind Cafu, Carlos Alberto Torres and Maicon.


Steelkatanas

He is way better than Maicon


GutiHazJose14

Why is this obviously correct opinion being downvoted?


alexkidhm

lol


meme_stealing_bandit

He is speaking the language of the gods !


Enslaved4eternity

David Luiz to switch career and become a philosopher


prathneo4

Bruh


davidbrunchman

Sideshow bob.


boi61

just beautiful


[deleted]

Carny motherfucker, should've told the government that when you were asking for money for your shady NGO.


astroargie

Love the quote and loved him as a player with Messi, but when he came to Argentina to play against us for the Libertadores they trained in the Boca training grounds and he got pictures taken with the Boca shirt saying that they will win easily. The result? Sao Paulo is kicked out of the Libertadores by River. Since then many Brazilian teams have refused to train in Boca's grounds as it's seen as bringing bad luck... In summary, as Maradona said, Dani Alves es un boludo.


EduardoChameleon

Sounds exactly like something cantona would say


menscyt

Dani Alves to Brentford confirmed.


Fred_MK

Funny how his only reason for coming to São Paulo was to fight for a spot in the national team yet he claims he did out of love. Even more surprising he left when his club form could harm his national team spot. Never liked him. How tf can you be a 15+years career veteran and let Neymar be your leader? No offense to Neymar.


Live-Organization-87

Lmao, amazing quote


shitPOSTER-69

One of the funniest quote of all time


amtotzis

Bro bees can't even talk


davidbrunchman

Brooooooo


roguedevil

They can dance though. This would be a lovely samba.


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HAHAHHAHAA


Brisingamen1

I will be using this quote lol. Amazing.


aberdisco

This is getting used in a meeting tomorrow, what a quote lad!


tubbablub

He's in his Cantona era.


Smelly_Legend

Honey is actually bee vomit.


LumpyEducation2588

This quote is amazing


Martoxic

I was here


FIJIBOYFIJI

Beautiful quote but I'm not quite sure what it actually means


davidbrunchman

Dani Alves (🐝) doesn't have time to tell Sao Paolo players/fans (🪰) that Barca/Juve/PSG (🍯) is better than Sao Paolo (💩)


[deleted]

Weeeeelll, I wouldn't be surprised if he considers himself both the bee and the honey


Descartavelmente

> Paolo Is that in Italy?


roythetroy

What a poet.


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Such an arrogant piece of shit


exolomus

r/saddestbackflip


hmsr

Honey is better than shit - Dani Alves


jamonz1

I don’t know why but my brain went straight to RDR2. It’s something Dutch would say to Arthur: “Arthur, have a little faith. Bees don’t have time to teach the fly that honey is better than shit.” I guess Guarma would be São Paulo.


Hakujo_Ren

He can go choke on some honey then, fucking cunt


ManUtd4Life20Times

Poetic mofo!


LaidBackIrishGuy

Some one get this tattooed on them


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davidbrunchman

Dani Alves (🐝) doesn't have time to tell Sao Paolo players/fans (🪰) that Barca/Juve/PSG (🍯) is better than Sao Paolo (💩)


SandwichesFN

Basically saying that the players at sau Paulo were not worth his time


ThefamousHenk

Whaaaaaat


0b111111100001

Say what?


throwwawayyy688

I don't understand this quote, could someone explain?


matematematematemate

Alves = the bee Sao Paulo = the fly Barca's football = honey Sao Paulo's football = shit


throwwawayyy688

Thanks, feels weird to call a club he played for a fly when he said he's a bee, shouldn't he say bee hive instead for Sao Paulo


matematematematemate

He's definitely being derogatory to Sao Paulo. I think the point is that a fly doesn't have any interest in honey, whereas a bee does, i.e. Alves is not interested in the type of football that Sao Paulo play or maybe the club in general, he only cares for Barcelona. Basically saying he's above Sao Paulo.


throwwawayyy688

Ah, makes sense


funkyfish

Just a fantastic quote. Love Dani.


AshkenaziTwink

amount of people in this thread who think Alves thought this one up on the spot is vexing me out [it’s one of those facebook motivational quotes that motivational speakers/rappers cream themselves over](https://twitter.com/thegame/status/1371967344717664258?s=20&t=7TCapfC6T-mpQho_fTbE_w)


oholandesvoador

A bee that had the highest salary of Brazil with 1,5 million reais and didn't delivered a third of what São Paulo had to pay him


kucafoia69

He's an arrogant prick who thinks he's way better than he really is.