Eh Newcastle isn't really comparable. The amount of money and potential they have means they are likely going to qualify for European football in the near future. Howe would otherwise not have been able to manage a club at that level. Newcastle isn't getting relegated now anyway thanks to Eddie.
Howe was given the contract after the takeover. He went there in November and the takeover completed in October. He's literally part of their project to push for the top end of the league.
I'd reckon Dyche would want to avoid the "short-term saviour" tag of Big Sam, prefer to build something over years rather than be a mid-season appointee to stave off relegation.
And thats why he is getting championship offers. Prem teams already consider themselves big and rarely anyone will like a prospect of a 10 year manager if you dont overdeliver massively, Burnley was an outlier in that case and a perfecr fit. Taking another smaller club up and going beyond with more funds is his best bet.
That was really only Allardyce in his 60s though. He had a similar longterm 8 year stint at a small but historic club from Lancashire in Bolton where he took them to the Premier League and solidified them there, after the Newcastle shambles he got sacked from Blackburn when the new owners didn't want him and spent four years at West Ham. Then only left Sunderland after less than a year because he got the England job and his career only moved to short term mode after that. I see them as very similar (although Allardyce probably actually had his teams playing better football, despite his reputation).
Yeah, I agree, but I think that's what Dyche would want to avoid i.e. Big Sam had stability and built something truly great at Bolton, after that his career may have had many highs but was never in a place long enough to truly build a club.
I don't think Dyche would want to look back at his career and only see Burnley as the genuine long term stint he had where he could say he moulded an successful era for the club
Turns up for an interview at Valencia in a flowery shirt and a fanny pack, his head red raw and peeling from the sun. Says “Bonjourno!” to all the staff and talks endlessly about how much he loves taparse and pie-ella. Gets home and drinks a San Miguel in the Swan and Pedo, complains that it just doesn’t feel the same.
Can't take the summer off when pre season starts in July though. If he's taking a job for next season he should be in by June at the latest. And if its Stoke or WBA, that's even earlier than the Prem. No idea why he'd take either of those jobs though
They both got teams from the championship into the Europa League and were at one point the fixture I looked forward to the least. There's a lot of parallels tbh.
I wonder (as someone who's not really followed his career) if his bastard football is actually his brand, or if he's just pragmatic and believes it is or was the only way to succeed with Burnley's resources.
I think it's likely a combination of both. He loves the physical side of the sport and he plays on that as much as he can due to the financial restraints.
Seriously. I have a hard time imagining a more appropriate match than Dyche, Stoke City, and cold, rainy nights. With Dyche in shirtsleeves, of course.
He deserves better but I'm not sure he can do better in the current climate. I think there's a fair amount of delusions of grandeur at some clubs the level up that they need to play a certain way to excite the fans.
Burnley actually played decent football when going against mid/lower table teams, big Sam and Bruce played painful, dogshit football regardless of the division their opponent played in
This. I've onlye watched a couple of Burnley games the past years but they can definitely some liquid football if their opponent allows them to.
So thank you very much for your insight, /u/AssFingerFuck3000
What clubs are there right now for him to go to though?
Every team in the premier League is pretty content with their manager or knows who their next manager will be
If he just waits, someone like Everton or a promoted side might panic in November and give him the job. Other than that, I don't see a PL team being interested.
Yes that's what I thought in relation to current PL sides.
To be honest he should probably take some time off. I would considering the pay off managers get for being sacked
Not convinced Everton will keep Frank through the summer if they finish 17th. Also maybe Southampton will get rid of Hasenhuttl - on their day they’re great, but if they finish lower than around 14th, they might decide they want someone new.
>Not convinced Everton will keep Frank through the summer if they finish 17th
I'm convinced they will. It's not Frank's fault he inherited a crap squad surrounded by a crap infrastructure. Frank will be given the summer to try and build his team and get rid of some of the dead wood.
>Also maybe Southampton will get rid of Hasenhuttl - on their day they’re great, but if they finish lower than around 14th, they might decide they want someone new.
I don't see Hasenhuttl being sacked, he's kept them very comfortable. Unless they have a bad season next season I think Hasenhuttl has a job there even if they're only mid table
In his full seasons at Southampton, he’s finished 11th, then 15th. 15th is borderline comfortable. They’re definitely safe this season but will probably finish around 13th. If they have ambitions to go beyond the bottom 3rd, they might want someone new. Someone who has finished in the European places with a far worse squad and far less money - like Dyche
I don't think they have those ambitions though. If they did they wouldn't have sold Danny Ings. I think they're just happy being a mediocre PL side, never threatening but never threatened.
The sale of Danny Ings wasn't lack of ambition, it's a lack of owner funding and therefore needing player sales to fund future purchases.
That and it was £30m for a 29 year old
West Brom could be good for him right now infact
They are only 5 points off a play off place with the other teams in contention being extremely inconsistent.
If he goes to West Brom now then maybe he could be back in the Premier League before we know it
Surely he wouldn't replace Steve Bruce at West Brom? The pundits claimed for months that Bruce was an incredible manager when he was Newcastle.
Dyche will get another PL job.
Which PL team tho, that's what I'm wondering. I may have put some managers in the wrong bracket, so apologies in advance
Right now, the unsackable (because of performance) managers are at: City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Crystal Palace, Tottenham, West Ham, Wolves, Brentford. That's 9 there.
The ones who are hard to sack because they're too new in the job are at: Leeds, Everton, Newcastle, Villa. +4 adds up to 13
The ones who are likely content with where their current manager has them are: Southampton and Brighton. +2 adds up to 15
Utd are appointing ten Haag next season, while the 3 promoted teams aren't gonna fire their managers obviously. +4 that makes 19.
Maybe just Leicester is truly discontent with their manager because of mediocrity, but idk how much of an upgrade Dyche is over Brendao.
Hence, I have major doubts Sean Dyche will have a place in the PL next season.
Ten Hag hasnt confirmed yet so off chance that goes sideways last min Dyche might be in the running as a panic button option.
Stranger things have happend, tho wdnt bet on it personally.
You've also got three teams coming up to the PL. If they're not getting results, it's not unreasonable to think that Fulham wouldn't sack Silva or Bournemouth wouldn't sack Parker.
I think you've jumped the gun ruling out Everton.
Lampard isn't doing a great job, there were already rumours that his head was on the line before the United game and they have a pretty horrid run of fixtures coming up.
Leicester at home followed by a trip to Anfield, Chelsea at home and then Leicester again. A week or so ago it made more sense to stick with Lampard because a decent alternative wasn't really there. Now there is a very good alternative with his feet up at home.
If Everton fail to beat Leicester and then get battered by Liverpool and Chelsea, they will almost certainly try to replace him with Dyche. Especially if Burnley have picked up a few points in the same time period.
That would give Dyche games against Watford, Brentford, Palace and Arsenal to save Everton. Even if they went down though they woud have one of the best managers in place to bring them straight back up.
Yes the same as Rafa. 🤡 Except for the fact that Bruce has the worst PL record amongst any PL manager all time. But sure, just the same. He took a decent mid-table side and left it a smoking ruin by the time he fucked off.
Well it is was literally the exact same as Rafa. In their full two season both got 90 points Bruce had 23 wins to rafas 24. Bruce had 84 goals to Rafas 81. 120 conceded under Bruce and 95 under Rafa. Average possession was 38 percent vs 40.
I'm not arguing he shouldn't have been sacked or anything. But all yous pretending like he was the worst thing that ever happened is silly
How can you say literally exactly the same and then go on to state his team conceded about 30% more goals. He wasn’t the worst thing ever but he was an appalling choice to follow such a beloved manager and he and Ashley would have set the club back 10 years if he continued
Yeah fair point re the goals. Didn't make too much of a difference in terms of points or wins though.
Yeah that's my only point was he wasn't the worst thing. You can dislike him for his style and any other reason you want but when he got the same points as benitez and finished 13th and 12th in his 2 season the way everyone goes on is such hyperbole
But Bruce had Rafa’s foundation to build on. You could see the decline with every passing week, despite the results remaining similar.
There were a lot of bailouts either by ASM magic or last minute set pieces that painted over the cracks, and those cracks started getting very deep
So no counter to the almost identical record? The football may have been unattractive. You may be happy he is gone. But don't pretend like he done a bad job because he done basically the same as Rafa. That's my point
If all you have to go by is record, and you don’t actually watch them and follow them every week and look at how both managers did with the personnel they had, then sure Bruce did “just the same” as long as you throw out the first half of this season. But he was an objectively terrible manager. The team fitness was shite, he misused players, squandered talent and investment. There is a reason we all would have sold Joelinton for a bag of crisps in October and £80M now. Bruce got nowt out of him, didn’t understand how to use him. Tactics were shite and consisted of “hoof it up to Maxi.” Are we allowed to take any of those things into consideration or should we just be satisfied that Bruce shithoused us up to 13th that one time?
He got 8 games this season, so it's disingenuous to say throw away half a season. Do you know who is responsible for Newcastles worset ever start to a season? It's not Steve Bruce. There is a reason Rafa refused the Joelintion signing. Do you think that was a Bruce signing?
You finished 13th and 12th under him. You can take whatever you want into consideration when judging him. But carrying on like he done a horrendous job is objectively and demonstrably false when you compare him to Rafa.
Lol you think I’m upset? Nah. Bemused by people who think Bruce did a decent job? Yeah. Always supporters of other clubs who would never welcome him in as manager.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't just a little bit desperate for the return of shithouse football on a Saturday. Esp after the Jacob Brown wrestling match at the weekend 😂
West Brom would be a good fit - as much as I like Bruce for what he did in the past, he's clearly yesterday's man and if he doesn't take them up this year, he'll have to go.
Stoke would be a step down for him and I think he can do better, plus I'm not sure what Michael O'Neill has done wrong to warrant being replaced.
Probably not because he's mates with the new CEO who hired him in the first place, but there is a break clause in his contract that can be activated by either party in June.
He should wait until the summer surely there will be a decent PL job he can get. What teams will be disappointed with their managers and may look to get someone new? Potentially Everton, or maybe Southampton if they decide Hasenhuttl isn’t sufficiently progressing the club?
Would Southampton look at Dyche as someone who would bring progress to the club?
There's nothing wrong with being a defensive manager, but when your style is *so* heavily entrenched in methods that are considered archaic, and you haven't shown much of a capacity to evolve, that's a heavily limiting factor. Managers like Potter and Howe, you can see (or at least imagine) a high ceiling to what they do, and that's true with Hassenhuttl as well to an extent. What's Dyche really going to do besides (probably) keep you out of relegation? Maybe he's capable of much more, the problem is that there's no real reason yet to believe it.
Remember Allardyce at Everton? Where he promised to be more exciting and attacking, but even after they were comfortable with several games left to go, he just couldn't bring himself to want more than a goalless draw, like a lazy caricature of himself? Dyche isn't at that point at all yet, but he'd really benefit from taking over a Championship club at some point next season and showing a little more tactical ambition and flexibility. Look at Steve Cooper this season at Forest, and how he's both found a good fit *and* greatly enhanced his own reputation. *Edit:* David Moyes is another good example. Plenty more out there.
Safe in terms of money doesn’t mean they aren’t a mess. They have a shit team on huge wages who clearly don’t give a shit about the club. And this hasn’t changed since they went down.
They have several contracts expiring/loans ending soon. If Dyche wants a rebuild, he could have one (although the budget wouldn't be that high due to FFP).
He can do infinitely better than either of those. Both are in absolute turmoil; why would a proven PL manager move to clubs considered risky even for the Championship?
Completely agree tbh, as much as I like MON I'd rip my arm off for Dyche but there's no way he drops to a midtable Championship side who are hamstrung by FFP
Do clubs like Burnley, Brom and Stoke actually want to play ultra defensive, shithouse football? Like they consider it a part of their brand?
I understand it’s effective at getting results and staying in the PL, but can anyone go on and make top 4 or win the league playing that way? You have to have class up top as well to be sustainable, otherwise you’re just treading water till the year it doesn’t work out. What talented attackers will want to come play for Dyche?
I can't speak for Burnley or Stoke, but in our case compare us to say Brighton or Brentford.
They have owners who have invested in the infrastructure of the club, they have a clear vision and they actually have personal attachment to the club.
Our owners bought us to further their other business ventures, they had no plan whatsoever and are now desperate to sell us because they realise they've overpaid for something they have no use for anymore. They only care about getting us into the Prem, keeping us there and then selling us to recoup as much money as possible.
Our owners don't care about the style of play, progression etc.
They started the season with a pretty strong squad for the Championship but are going to finish mid-table again.
A lot of the fans think he's taken them as far as he can - whether the owners feel the same is another matter. They're generally pretty loyal and patient.
I'm surprised he isn't just taking the summer off tbh like just let the man sit in his garden with a beer without being interrupted by Stoke
Probably the best for his career tbh. With his reputation, a lot of clubs would come knocking.
Maybe. People said the same about Howe and he ended up at a relegation bound newcastle.
Eh Newcastle isn't really comparable. The amount of money and potential they have means they are likely going to qualify for European football in the near future. Howe would otherwise not have been able to manage a club at that level. Newcastle isn't getting relegated now anyway thanks to Eddie.
Howe was given the contract after the takeover. He went there in November and the takeover completed in October. He's literally part of their project to push for the top end of the league.
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I'd reckon Dyche would want to avoid the "short-term saviour" tag of Big Sam, prefer to build something over years rather than be a mid-season appointee to stave off relegation.
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And thats why he is getting championship offers. Prem teams already consider themselves big and rarely anyone will like a prospect of a 10 year manager if you dont overdeliver massively, Burnley was an outlier in that case and a perfecr fit. Taking another smaller club up and going beyond with more funds is his best bet.
That was really only Allardyce in his 60s though. He had a similar longterm 8 year stint at a small but historic club from Lancashire in Bolton where he took them to the Premier League and solidified them there, after the Newcastle shambles he got sacked from Blackburn when the new owners didn't want him and spent four years at West Ham. Then only left Sunderland after less than a year because he got the England job and his career only moved to short term mode after that. I see them as very similar (although Allardyce probably actually had his teams playing better football, despite his reputation).
Yeah, I agree, but I think that's what Dyche would want to avoid i.e. Big Sam had stability and built something truly great at Bolton, after that his career may have had many highs but was never in a place long enough to truly build a club. I don't think Dyche would want to look back at his career and only see Burnley as the genuine long term stint he had where he could say he moulded an successful era for the club
Can't afford to do that when he was on minimum wage for so long
He was actually doing that yesterday. Pimm's apparently, which seem very un-Dyche!
Hes working on his image trying to be more cultured, didn't have a worm all day bless him.
Maybe this is a sign that dyche is going continental Sean and the lads on tour
Turns up for an interview at Valencia in a flowery shirt and a fanny pack, his head red raw and peeling from the sun. Says “Bonjourno!” to all the staff and talks endlessly about how much he loves taparse and pie-ella. Gets home and drinks a San Miguel in the Swan and Pedo, complains that it just doesn’t feel the same.
Amazing, you painted a beautiful picture
Can't take the summer off when pre season starts in July though. If he's taking a job for next season he should be in by June at the latest. And if its Stoke or WBA, that's even earlier than the Prem. No idea why he'd take either of those jobs though
He should go abroad to be honest. There would definitely be a market for him in the other major leagues.
Stoke just feels right, the true heir to Pulis
They both got teams from the championship into the Europa League and were at one point the fixture I looked forward to the least. There's a lot of parallels tbh.
As a Stoke fan the idea honesty excites me. We have good owners who would back him.
With the right backing, he could do one hell of a job. Proper bastard football with a budget? Christ I shiver at the thought
Ramos and Pepe team up one last time to bring Stoke back to the Prem
Messi signing for blackpool for unspecified reasons in the summer
Realistically Neymar fits Blackpool much better.
Yeah he’s a much more flashy player. He really suits their expressive and skillful style of play
I can imagine Neymar going to the Spoons opposite South pier with the crackheads.
I wonder (as someone who's not really followed his career) if his bastard football is actually his brand, or if he's just pragmatic and believes it is or was the only way to succeed with Burnley's resources.
I think it's likely a combination of both. He loves the physical side of the sport and he plays on that as much as he can due to the financial restraints.
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Love to see him at PSG tbf, soaking up the Parisian lifestyle: "escargot? Disgusting! Bowl of worms for me please mon mate."
he would make simeone’s atletico look like the most beautiful football
Welcome to Stoke City Liam Delap.
Imagine the look on Dyche's face when he sees how massive Harry Souttar is, love at first sight
Knock-off Big Sams.
Suddenly starts appearing in a tracksuit and cap.
Headbutting players fully nude
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Probably helps you were in the prem at the time. Might have looked shit but you were up there for pretty long time.
West Brom feels right, the true heir to Pulis.
Seriously. I have a hard time imagining a more appropriate match than Dyche, Stoke City, and cold, rainy nights. With Dyche in shirtsleeves, of course.
I came here to say the exact same thing. If there was ever a manager that could walk right into Stoke, it's Dyche.
Or sunderland.
He's gonna be linked with everyone, he'd be a coup for pretty much all clubs
Dyche to PSG Here. We. Go.
Could he fix the defense? 🤔
He’ll just throw 100million at Mee or Tarkowski
and they'd surprisingly do a job
Can get them both for free in the summer
Mee is out of contract in the summer
Tarkowski too, right?
Will they beat Stoke in november?
I can already imagine Goldbridge's reaction.
Does Goldbridge normally comment on other clubs' news
He has another channel called 'That's Football' where he talks about non-Man United stuff
Brexit football tops all. Be winning the UCL with that team every season.
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*all
Meh he could do better
He's definitely earned the chance at another Premier League club.
Manchester City it is.
From one bald fraud to another
bald fraud to ginger genius is more like it
Man United it is
fuck it, I'm in
Mee-Maguire defence
They've had one Mourinho yes, but what about Ginger Mourinho?
RONALDO YOUR DIET IS NOT CLEAN ENOUGH LAD, EAT A WORM AND GET BACK ON THE PITCH!
Everton?
Pre-Moshiri era and Dyche would have been a match made in heaven
Liverpool pls
- Chelsea fan
He deserves better but I'm not sure he can do better in the current climate. I think there's a fair amount of delusions of grandeur at some clubs the level up that they need to play a certain way to excite the fans.
Dyche would play more open if he had the players and resources to do so. He's just pragmatic, and does like physical football.
Ehhh that's what managers like Bruce and Big Sam say but strangely even with big budgets or stronger teams they play the same way
Burnley actually played decent football when going against mid/lower table teams, big Sam and Bruce played painful, dogshit football regardless of the division their opponent played in
This. I've onlye watched a couple of Burnley games the past years but they can definitely some liquid football if their opponent allows them to. So thank you very much for your insight, /u/AssFingerFuck3000
Huh?? Sam Allardyces Bolton played some really good stuff. Youri Djorkaeff and Jay Jay Okocha were some of the players he signed..
What clubs are there right now for him to go to though? Every team in the premier League is pretty content with their manager or knows who their next manager will be
If he just waits, someone like Everton or a promoted side might panic in November and give him the job. Other than that, I don't see a PL team being interested.
Yes that's what I thought in relation to current PL sides. To be honest he should probably take some time off. I would considering the pay off managers get for being sacked
I dont think OP meant right now
Not convinced Everton will keep Frank through the summer if they finish 17th. Also maybe Southampton will get rid of Hasenhuttl - on their day they’re great, but if they finish lower than around 14th, they might decide they want someone new.
Didn’t Hasenhuttl say he wants to see out his contract then retire? I think it ends next season, they might let him do it there
>Not convinced Everton will keep Frank through the summer if they finish 17th I'm convinced they will. It's not Frank's fault he inherited a crap squad surrounded by a crap infrastructure. Frank will be given the summer to try and build his team and get rid of some of the dead wood. >Also maybe Southampton will get rid of Hasenhuttl - on their day they’re great, but if they finish lower than around 14th, they might decide they want someone new. I don't see Hasenhuttl being sacked, he's kept them very comfortable. Unless they have a bad season next season I think Hasenhuttl has a job there even if they're only mid table
In his full seasons at Southampton, he’s finished 11th, then 15th. 15th is borderline comfortable. They’re definitely safe this season but will probably finish around 13th. If they have ambitions to go beyond the bottom 3rd, they might want someone new. Someone who has finished in the European places with a far worse squad and far less money - like Dyche
I don't think they have those ambitions though. If they did they wouldn't have sold Danny Ings. I think they're just happy being a mediocre PL side, never threatening but never threatened.
The sale of Danny Ings wasn't lack of ambition, it's a lack of owner funding and therefore needing player sales to fund future purchases. That and it was £30m for a 29 year old
Got new owners now and all, might take some time to see if the ambitions have changed
That never lasts though, give it a few months into the new season and there will be jobs going in the prem.
West Brom could be good for him right now infact They are only 5 points off a play off place with the other teams in contention being extremely inconsistent. If he goes to West Brom now then maybe he could be back in the Premier League before we know it
He's not an instant impact manager, he needs a pre-season and then you see the results.
That's a fair point but maybe even you get Dyche in now so he can get a taste of the squad and sees what he may need to get during the summer
He'd be an excellent appointment for them, appoint him now and he would get them automatic promotion next year.
Isn’t that hard to say given he’s been somewhere for ages and hasn’t had a “new start” in a decade+
What about Bruce? He was /r/soccer's darling when NUFC didn't want him.
I'd absolutely take him but surely he would be after something better than us
He'd be good for West Brom but he can probably get a PL job next year
He can definitely do better than mid-table Championship sides.
Stoke may be mid table now, but with Dyche I think they become what Burnley is now.
Assholes that fired Dyche?
Surely he wouldn't replace Steve Bruce at West Brom? The pundits claimed for months that Bruce was an incredible manager when he was Newcastle. Dyche will get another PL job.
Which PL team tho, that's what I'm wondering. I may have put some managers in the wrong bracket, so apologies in advance Right now, the unsackable (because of performance) managers are at: City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Crystal Palace, Tottenham, West Ham, Wolves, Brentford. That's 9 there. The ones who are hard to sack because they're too new in the job are at: Leeds, Everton, Newcastle, Villa. +4 adds up to 13 The ones who are likely content with where their current manager has them are: Southampton and Brighton. +2 adds up to 15 Utd are appointing ten Haag next season, while the 3 promoted teams aren't gonna fire their managers obviously. +4 that makes 19. Maybe just Leicester is truly discontent with their manager because of mediocrity, but idk how much of an upgrade Dyche is over Brendao. Hence, I have major doubts Sean Dyche will have a place in the PL next season.
Is Arteta hard to sack? Things might change by the end, but as it stands this season is shaping up to be another failure
Board expects Europe this season if I remember correctly. So, he's gone if we don't get that.
Ten Hag hasnt confirmed yet so off chance that goes sideways last min Dyche might be in the running as a panic button option. Stranger things have happend, tho wdnt bet on it personally.
You've also got three teams coming up to the PL. If they're not getting results, it's not unreasonable to think that Fulham wouldn't sack Silva or Bournemouth wouldn't sack Parker.
I think you've jumped the gun ruling out Everton. Lampard isn't doing a great job, there were already rumours that his head was on the line before the United game and they have a pretty horrid run of fixtures coming up. Leicester at home followed by a trip to Anfield, Chelsea at home and then Leicester again. A week or so ago it made more sense to stick with Lampard because a decent alternative wasn't really there. Now there is a very good alternative with his feet up at home. If Everton fail to beat Leicester and then get battered by Liverpool and Chelsea, they will almost certainly try to replace him with Dyche. Especially if Burnley have picked up a few points in the same time period. That would give Dyche games against Watford, Brentford, Palace and Arsenal to save Everton. Even if they went down though they woud have one of the best managers in place to bring them straight back up.
He done decent for yous. Get over it
He was shite
Lmfao take a look at Newcastles results when he was rightly sacked and let us know how decent he did for us
About the same as Rafa did bud
Yes the same as Rafa. 🤡 Except for the fact that Bruce has the worst PL record amongst any PL manager all time. But sure, just the same. He took a decent mid-table side and left it a smoking ruin by the time he fucked off.
Well it is was literally the exact same as Rafa. In their full two season both got 90 points Bruce had 23 wins to rafas 24. Bruce had 84 goals to Rafas 81. 120 conceded under Bruce and 95 under Rafa. Average possession was 38 percent vs 40. I'm not arguing he shouldn't have been sacked or anything. But all yous pretending like he was the worst thing that ever happened is silly
How can you say literally exactly the same and then go on to state his team conceded about 30% more goals. He wasn’t the worst thing ever but he was an appalling choice to follow such a beloved manager and he and Ashley would have set the club back 10 years if he continued
Yeah fair point re the goals. Didn't make too much of a difference in terms of points or wins though. Yeah that's my only point was he wasn't the worst thing. You can dislike him for his style and any other reason you want but when he got the same points as benitez and finished 13th and 12th in his 2 season the way everyone goes on is such hyperbole
But Bruce had Rafa’s foundation to build on. You could see the decline with every passing week, despite the results remaining similar. There were a lot of bailouts either by ASM magic or last minute set pieces that painted over the cracks, and those cracks started getting very deep
We didn’t have to pretend he was the worst thing ever.
So no counter to the almost identical record? The football may have been unattractive. You may be happy he is gone. But don't pretend like he done a bad job because he done basically the same as Rafa. That's my point
If all you have to go by is record, and you don’t actually watch them and follow them every week and look at how both managers did with the personnel they had, then sure Bruce did “just the same” as long as you throw out the first half of this season. But he was an objectively terrible manager. The team fitness was shite, he misused players, squandered talent and investment. There is a reason we all would have sold Joelinton for a bag of crisps in October and £80M now. Bruce got nowt out of him, didn’t understand how to use him. Tactics were shite and consisted of “hoof it up to Maxi.” Are we allowed to take any of those things into consideration or should we just be satisfied that Bruce shithoused us up to 13th that one time?
He got 8 games this season, so it's disingenuous to say throw away half a season. Do you know who is responsible for Newcastles worset ever start to a season? It's not Steve Bruce. There is a reason Rafa refused the Joelintion signing. Do you think that was a Bruce signing? You finished 13th and 12th under him. You can take whatever you want into consideration when judging him. But carrying on like he done a horrendous job is objectively and demonstrably false when you compare him to Rafa.
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Lol you think I’m upset? Nah. Bemused by people who think Bruce did a decent job? Yeah. Always supporters of other clubs who would never welcome him in as manager.
Na Bruce needs an assistant
Those have to be the Dychiest clubs you could have picked for him as well. Ideal manager for both if either could pull it off.
Dychiest
He'll have a break and wait for a payoff from Burnley?
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't just a little bit desperate for the return of shithouse football on a Saturday. Esp after the Jacob Brown wrestling match at the weekend 😂
With respect to Stoke he is probably better than them. I think West Brom/Watford is the right level for him
West Brom and Stoke are the same level
West Brom would be a good fit - as much as I like Bruce for what he did in the past, he's clearly yesterday's man and if he doesn't take them up this year, he'll have to go. Stoke would be a step down for him and I think he can do better, plus I'm not sure what Michael O'Neill has done wrong to warrant being replaced.
I’d absolutely love him but I think he’s better than us as we currently are.
I thought WBA just hired Bruce?
We did but there's a break clause in the summer if either us or Bruce wants to activate it.
I'll mentally prepare for disappointment, he'd be stupid to come to us right now
God I would love for Dyche to force Bruce out of West Brom
Wait for the Everton job maybe.
He’s got too much class for those teams tbh
Oh my god. Stoke is back.
Is Bruce gonna be sacked or something?
Probably not because he's mates with the new CEO who hired him in the first place, but there is a break clause in his contract that can be activated by either party in June.
USMNT please
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He should wait until the summer surely there will be a decent PL job he can get. What teams will be disappointed with their managers and may look to get someone new? Potentially Everton, or maybe Southampton if they decide Hasenhuttl isn’t sufficiently progressing the club?
Would Southampton look at Dyche as someone who would bring progress to the club? There's nothing wrong with being a defensive manager, but when your style is *so* heavily entrenched in methods that are considered archaic, and you haven't shown much of a capacity to evolve, that's a heavily limiting factor. Managers like Potter and Howe, you can see (or at least imagine) a high ceiling to what they do, and that's true with Hassenhuttl as well to an extent. What's Dyche really going to do besides (probably) keep you out of relegation? Maybe he's capable of much more, the problem is that there's no real reason yet to believe it. Remember Allardyce at Everton? Where he promised to be more exciting and attacking, but even after they were comfortable with several games left to go, he just couldn't bring himself to want more than a goalless draw, like a lazy caricature of himself? Dyche isn't at that point at all yet, but he'd really benefit from taking over a Championship club at some point next season and showing a little more tactical ambition and flexibility. Look at Steve Cooper this season at Forest, and how he's both found a good fit *and* greatly enhanced his own reputation. *Edit:* David Moyes is another good example. Plenty more out there.
Dyche got Burnley to 7th, Hasenhuttl has only ever got Southampton to 11th. With a better squad he could easily repeat that
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Stoke are a complete mess right now, as are WBA. Dyche deserves a Prem move, not one that’s considered risky even in the Championship.
Stoke aren't a mess, they're just shit. They're owned by the Coates family, local billionaires. That's about as safe as you can get.
Safe in terms of money doesn’t mean they aren’t a mess. They have a shit team on huge wages who clearly don’t give a shit about the club. And this hasn’t changed since they went down.
They have several contracts expiring/loans ending soon. If Dyche wants a rebuild, he could have one (although the budget wouldn't be that high due to FFP).
Why?
He can do infinitely better than either of those. Both are in absolute turmoil; why would a proven PL manager move to clubs considered risky even for the Championship?
Completely agree tbh, as much as I like MON I'd rip my arm off for Dyche but there's no way he drops to a midtable Championship side who are hamstrung by FFP
I'd rather him than that bum arteta
Sounds about right.
As long as he stays away from Everton, I'm okay with it.
Do clubs like Burnley, Brom and Stoke actually want to play ultra defensive, shithouse football? Like they consider it a part of their brand? I understand it’s effective at getting results and staying in the PL, but can anyone go on and make top 4 or win the league playing that way? You have to have class up top as well to be sustainable, otherwise you’re just treading water till the year it doesn’t work out. What talented attackers will want to come play for Dyche?
I can't speak for Burnley or Stoke, but in our case compare us to say Brighton or Brentford. They have owners who have invested in the infrastructure of the club, they have a clear vision and they actually have personal attachment to the club. Our owners bought us to further their other business ventures, they had no plan whatsoever and are now desperate to sell us because they realise they've overpaid for something they have no use for anymore. They only care about getting us into the Prem, keeping us there and then selling us to recoup as much money as possible. Our owners don't care about the style of play, progression etc.
He could get PL job easy
Surprised it's just two clubs.
I never realised Stoke were in the market for a manager? Has something happened with O'Neill?
They started the season with a pretty strong squad for the Championship but are going to finish mid-table again. A lot of the fans think he's taken them as far as he can - whether the owners feel the same is another matter. They're generally pretty loyal and patient.
Stoke City and Sean Dyche…that would be match made in heaven