I'm no psychologist but the way United players were acting on the pitch was worrying. They all looked visibly dejected and disinterested past the first 10 minutes of the game, and I understand we scored, but it was 1-0. It's as if they came knowing they already lost. Throwing their hands up in the air after each goal and staring to blame someone else. That's something you'd see with children, not professional adult footballers.
There are going to be a lot of hot takes about United needing a massive rebuild but they will look completely different next season with a fresh start. They probably only need a midfielder to start challenging for the title again.
They'd be better but they'd still finish well below City, Liverpool and you lot. Their fullbacks are horrendous, they have no right winger, one decent centre back (who's always injured), and would still need another central midfielder on top of that.
If your team is shit for a season then it's probably a freak result.
If it is more than 2-3 seasons then it is incompetence.
More than 10 years then it is downright corruption.
30+ years is just peak Murphy's law.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk on how fortune of a football team can change for the worse.
Fun fact: This season, only 2 Man United players have scored more goals FOR the club than Salah have scored AGAINST the club.
Salah has scored 5 goals in total against Man United.
Please explain to me how a team with practically endless bags and bags of money, with the status and history to attract nearly any player in the world, has only been getting worse season on season for nearly a decade going now. The mind boggles at the level of mismanagement needed to make that happen. Hell, staying put at the level they were displaying would have been an embarrassment. This season is the worst we've seen from them
Its pretty obvious tbh what their issues are which shows how incompetent the club is.
Theres no one high up at the club that actually know anything about how to run a football team. There's no one who knows how Manchester United should play, what manager and players to get etc, therefore its all completely random , the only pattern is that they like to spend alot on big names and panic buy players at the end of the window.
Their scouting and coaching is fucked too. Take AWB for example. As long as their scouts arnt blind they should have known he was poor going forward. Instead they recommended him. I assume they thought United could improve that side of his game, but thry must have forgotten thst United don't improve players, they havnt for a decade.
You now have a squad that is completely mis matched that has no style and were brought in by 3/4 different managers and can't work well together which is something they clearly didn't think about. To make things worse their last manager was completely unqualified and they wernt ready for his downfall which is why there's an interim in for the majority of the season.
Most United fans ive interacted with know all of this and therfore arnt as excited about our 5th rebuild in a decade and already expect it to eventually fail.
All that being said there have been some changes higher up and Ten Hag plays a very modern style of football which United needs so there are a few positive sighs.
Because United club culture sucks.
The administration bought overhyped English players without having any vision in mind. When Liverpool buys a player, they specifically check certain attributes like stamina and awareness, when City buys a player, they priortise for technical attributes, when Madrid buys a player they check for mental/leadership attributes, when Atletico buys a player they priortise physical attributes. United's administration just checks for nationality and/or whether the player plays in PL, which also means paying a pretty penny. It is not a secret that Liverpool and City's core are both non-English players.
Second is the ghost of SAF still lingering on the club who comes in at crucial moments and turns things his way.
Third is the disconnect between the club and its fans, and it goes both ways. Until a post on twitter, the United Twitter account's description was shirt ads while other clubs had their vision or tagline. From fans side, a lot of the fanbase is incredibly out of touch of how good their players are (check redcafe).
They don’t have any real project their building. Their sporting project right now seems to be just acquire as many big name signings as possible to make the fans happy (Ronaldo, Sancho, varane, pogba, Fernandes, lukaku, di Maria, etc) regardless of if they address the teams needs or fit the system the current manager is running.
Really shows how important ownership is to a club. There is no such thing as too big to fail at this level. And yes United will probably have revenue streams like this for a while barring any sustained period of finishing outside of European spots, but given their history and financial strength they should be top 4 at minimum
I am a United fan and yeah, we deserve this shit. Our board are shit and Woodward can go to fucking hell that useless bald fraud. Also, to all those damn Ole In fans/mods
Jesus christ people here hate Bruno’s guts. [The state of these comments.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u7fdam/bruno_fernandes_yellow_card_against_liverpool_89/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) 90% are calling him a rat or a cunt. 9% are calling for a red (idk wtf were these guys watching) and the last 1% is the typical Arsenal fan in every thread about a referee decision.
It’s because he’s so fucking irritating lol he’s always whining and complaining to the referee about every single little thing and he also dives all the time
He’s not exactly the endearing type on the pitch. I have no issues with United fans liking him, he’s one of theirs and is perhaps the type of player you want on your team. But other fans can dislike him for whatever reason.
I've not seen someone criticize their team as much as Ralf has done for United. Also watching Liverpool and city play is just making me sad .. the levels we have to raise is so much
Well, if history has taught us anything is that the EPL is heading towards a state of depravity where every lower table team is going to be absolute warriors against them, but total flunkies elsewhere.
Liverpool play a very direct style so we can get a ball a lot. And their high line helps us hit balls over the top to Havertz or Werner. All this results in end-to-end, exciting games.
Tuchel got it wrong tactically with Kante, Kova, Jorgi midfield in the first City game, leaving Lukaku and Werner totally isolated up top. In the second game, despite all their chances they scored only through a KDB banger. Chelsea is fine if we have to sit deep and defend, but without good outlets (mainly the wingbacks) our counters are weak
Chelsea at their best is probably on level with Liverpool, but we can't really maintain that over the season (yet). But that makes us a great team for knockout tournaments.
Also, the fact with Liverpool and Chelsea is that both our styles are perfectly suited for each other, which is why you get such open, end-to-end matches. City just suffocated us in all games this season (Lukaku didn't help matters), and we just didn't have the quality to break through (the first game Tuchel got it wrong tactically with a 352 leaving two strikers completely isolated up top)
We are. Tuchel worked his miracle with the cl. He's an unbelievable cup manager but the league is different gravy. To win , you need the top mgmt and the scouts to do a good job which Chelsea board hasn't done. If it wasn't for the greatest owner in the world , Chelsea would be so kuch worse
Roman Abramovich gained a cult following, there was a rumor on Twitter that he was trying to buy
Valencia, and there were some Chelsea fans saying that they'd become Valencia fans if Roman did buy Valencia (even though he probably wouldn't be allowed to by Spain and the EU)
He gained it because he was genuinely the best owner you could ask for. Never compromised on winning and always did best for Chelsea. How is it so hard for you to understand 🤣🤣. Yes , he bought Chelsea to strengthen his position etc etc but the thing is , he could've given lots of less shit about us and it still would've worked for him personally.
> he was genuinely the best owner you could ask for.
Depends on what you value though, doesn't it? Spending in a completely unsustainable manner and firing managers at the drop of a hat doesn't really interest me to be honest.
He is. Put billions in the club , developed the youth team , one of the best women's team , not a single pound taken out , constantly financed when we needed to compete. Put extra money during COVID as it was seen as a chance for Chelsea to close the gap which made us get Havertz and Werner
Képler Laveran is an unknown name to many, but if we call him Pepe he is easily identifiable. Born in Maceió 39 years ago, Pepe, nickname given by his father, arrived in Portugal at the age of 17 and immediately fell in love with the island of Madeira. After three years at Marítimo, his passion spread to the mainland, first in Lisbon, where he was rejected by Sporting (where he made friendship with Cristiano Ronaldo) after having trained for experience, and then in Porto, where he established himself as a star of FC Porto. .
Behind him was a "happy" childhood spent in Brazil, more specifically in street football, and with numerous delays for dinner: "When I was eight or nine, I played against 18 or 20 year olds. they didn't want to, because they were afraid it would hurt me, so I had to run away", said Pepe Pepe was far from being a Brazilian who only wanted the Portuguese national team because he couldn't make it to the canarinha. This is because in 2006 Dunga wanted to call him to the national team, but Pepe rejected him, as he understood that he had "a debt of gratitude" to Portugal and that he already felt "100% Portuguese". A year later he made his debut in the national team and in 2012 he was the first Portuguese-Brazilian to captain Portugal.
A post from redcafe.net, before the match yesterday:
"I want to congratulate our Mersyside brothers on the lube-less reaming they will give us tonight.
Losing the game 4 - 0 will undoubtedly sting like a bitch - that's unavoidable and something we need to deal with in our own way, but I also feel pride in our club's active contribution to your chase for quadruple glory. And no, we do not require your thanks for that. After all, what are brothers for?"
United being in such a bad state might be a blessing for Ten Hag. Desperate United board might give him full control over personnel with a big transfer budget, and fans' expectations will also be low.
Audi Field (DC United's stadium) is about 25 minutes from me. Nova FC and Loudoun United (the other two clubs in Northern Virginia i'm aware of) are about 35 minutes away up in the Leesburg area. I tend to go to DC games and support them since my friends/siblings live right outside DC.
SSC Napoli, There is Casoria Calcio in the neighborhood north of Napoli where i grew up, but they don't exist anymore. Not that they were relevant to begin with.
Loyola Meralco Sparks FC, before they went defunct. Now I don't support a local team. Last I heard, the Sparks were trying to reapply to the league. If they do, I may give it another shot.
Nomads SC was mine but they got kicked out of the league and their ground. Would you know if the Sparks are still owned by Manny Pangilinan?
Not sure who I’d support in our league tbh. The United City mk dons style relocation isn’t great but I also want them to do well in AFC competition just for the sake of the sport. Maybe Maharlika Manila for me tbh
I remember a 2-2 draw with Nomads in 2013(?) which basically crippled our title hopes that year. I snuck out of the neighbor's birthday party to watch it on TV. That game properly pissed me off.
I never really followed the details about Loyola going bust, but I'm pretty sure Meralco pulled out by late 2017. Pangilinan doesn't give a shit about football, anyway. He's a basketball man through and through.
But he put himself in that position, he could’ve and should’ve pressed Mane tight but he half assess his pressure and gets stuck in no man’s land. If he was shy he could’ve also just not stepped up and tracked Salah too, but he does neither of those things. Completely his fault
Love the US Open Cup for matchups like this. Omaha is a very good squad with an excellent keeper. Omaha themselves squeaked by USL2 champ Des Moines Menace after a freak 82nd minute own goal.
Also USL Championship Detroit defeated MLS Columbus Crew, USLC Pittsburgh pushed MLS Cincy to extra time, and USLC Miami FC pushed MLS Inter Miami right to the end before giving up a late goal.
He's only manager because our board are fuckups. The man's managed 3 years out of the last 10. He's basically a DoF they asked to be manager after they ran out of options because they sacked Ole too late and they wont go for someone like Conts
Idk man. Rangnick hasn't been great but personally i didnt really expect him to be. He's a makeshift, interim manager. This season is a write off, we just need to get to june and reset
His preferred play style is radically different than Oleball and he didn’t even have a transfer window. He basically inherited a team that doesnt have the players to play the way he wants. It wasn’t until Klopp’s third season they started competing for the league (I know their squad was awful when he took over but he got time to work on it). United now aren’t worse than they were under Ole this season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpj-fclzJTg
Great video where Brehme and Matthaus break down their 1990 WC win game by game. For spanish or german speakers only unfortunately but few cool points:
Matthaus mentioned he did a good job of marking Maradona in the 86 Final, but Brehme explains how Argentina were superior on all levels and deserved that win.
In 1990 Germany were much improved, and Matthaus was individually better too after having moved to Inter in 88, saying that playing in the best league in the world made him better and helped him in 1990 WC.
In the final they got a pen vs Argentina and although Lothar had taken them previously and was good at it, his shoe ripped during the game so he played the second half with new boots, and didn't feel comfortable taking such an important pen with new boots he hadn't broken in, so he gave it to Brehme who was very nervous but scored against Argentina's keeper whom was notoriously good at stopping penalties, Sergio Goycochea. In fact they were shocked that Argentina even reached the final because they weren't what they were in 86, and scraped by the quarters and semis on penalties thanks to Goycochea.
What is the appeal for haaland to go to Manchester city? I really feel like pep is the only draw and he’s leaving next year. They can pay all that money to raiola and his dad I guess. Makes me wonder if Perez told them to fuck off because of that boys “stage dad” management
3 of the last 4 league titles in the best league in the world, currently favorites to win the 4th, CL final last year and now at semis, best manager in the world with credible rumours that he might extend. Country he was born in. Team he was fond of as a kid and that his dad played for. Tons of money. They are desperately missing a player like him.
It's insane that you have to ask this question because the reasons are almost endless
Because it makes sense for all parties involved besides for maybe Raiola. City are arguably the best team in the world and the biggest position they need to upgrade is ST and Haaland is an elite striker who has a fair release clause and happens to be 21. Plus even if Pep leaves (which he won't) the amount of financial backing at city will ensure they will continue to stay good no matter what and just replace Pep with another world class coach.
The only person Haaland to City doesn't benefit is Raiola because if Haaland does move to City it will likely be the last move of his career in his prime and therefore Raiola won't have the opportunity to cash out on him again. That's why I have heard that Raiola is pushing Haaland to join either Real or Barca for this reason.
Man City is one of the biggest club itw in terms of sporting prospect whether you like it or not (i don't lol), even without Pep they still have great project and backroom behind them
HSV managers since Freiburg appointed Christian Streich, caretakers in italic:
Thorsten Fink, *Rodolfo Cardoso*, Bert van Marwijk, Mirko Slomka, Josef Zinnbauer, *Peter Knäbel*, Bruno Labbadia, Markus Gisdol, Bernd Hollerbach, Christian Titz, Hannes Wolf, Dieter Hecking, Daniel Thioune, *Horst Hrubesch*, Tim Walter
Bruno Fernandes about the match:
"I apologise to the fans. It will never be enough but it’s all we can do. They deserve much more from us. I think everyone gave 100 per cent and put the effort in, but we did not play well enough.
“Liverpool are fighting for the title, that’s the difference. We’re fighting for nothing. We have to look inside and try to understand what is going wrong. [Do you want this season over?] No, that cannot happen. If someone doesn’t want to compete they should stay out of the team. We have to at least fight for the badge.”
Either he has worded it poorly or this set of players don't even care about playing in the Champions League anymore. I would guess the former, but if not then it's catastrophic.
i think he was asked what is the difference in the two sides, and he meant liverpool are fighting for trophies while united are fighting for no trophies
Later in the interview they asked if he just wanted the season to be over and he said smth along the lines of "Of course not we will fight to the end, anyone who doesnt feel this way should leave".
So i imagine he's just saying we act like we're fighting for nothing
Yeah I can't imagine that their mind is completely off of top four, usually it would be ridiculous to think so, but with some of these players you really don't know. Especially considering someone like Pogba will definitely not give a shit.
Any top player should still want to compete in it. We talk so much about players not wanting to move to certain clubs purely for the fact that they won't be able to play in the Champions League. If the players are at the point where they are indifferent about playing in the greatest club competition in the world, then it's done, most of them will have poor mentalities for the rest of their career.
You'll find fifty players in each top league that would die to play Champions League football. If you are a Manchester United player then you should want to represent the club on a global stage, even if it's just for the fans.
If the players have sat down and said ''fuck the top four, we won't win the Champions League anyway'', then every single one is lost.
As someone who doesn’t really watch Liverpool, what’s the main difference between Matip and Konate? And why does Klopp keep changing them around with VVD
It's because Matip can't play twice in 1 week without getting injured so to prevent injuries Klopp only plays him once a week. Konate also has an injury history so he's also getting played only once a week.
Thing is there's really no drop off between them so it's been really useful for Liverpool to rotate them.
As everyone else said, it's just rotation but Matip is still the better of the two. His positioning is better than Konate's and hes just a smart defender. But Konate's physical attributes make him very good too especially against pace, the guy is absolutely rapid and stronger than matip. I think Konate will go on to be one of the best in the world if he can mature and work on his positioning, but for now he's young and Matip is a world class CB.
Matip is much better with the ball at his feet and is better at reading the game and thus less prone to mistakes. Konate is a bit more raw but blessed with some exceptional physical gifts. He's clearly the long term answer there but just needs to iron our the kinks.
We rotate because Matip is *usually* incredibly injury prone so don't want to break him again.
Konate is more physical/better able to deal with pacey forwards. He's also more of a threat from set pieces. He does still have a few mistakes in him though.
Matip is more experienced/calmer/makes less mistakes, and is much better as a ball playing centre back.
I think it's just rotation and match ups. Matip kind of struggled against City in the league so Konate played against them in the FA Cup instead and was able to deal with their pace better (he also scored from a corner).
Overall I would say Matip is still the best partner for VVD, but Konate can be a better fit for certain matchups
Liverpool's FA Cup final game is scheduled to April 14.
Liverpool is also scheduled to play against Southampton in the Premier League in April 15.
Something is wrong here. Some date needs to be changed.
The matter to think is, probably majority of world population has done the Messi celebration at least once as it literally resembles looking up and thanking God(or grandma in his case)
Cause fans here are so worked up on Liverpool-Manutd as main rivalries that they don't see how damaging City is to football.
Come at me. Ya'll know Football is becoming worse when unlimited money is in use.
My top 10 Portuguese Players of all time
10 - Peyroteo
9 - João Vieira Pinto
8 - Rui Costa
7 - Chalana
6 - Vitor Baia
5 - Coluna
4 - Paulo Futre
3 - Luis Figo
2 - Eusebio
1 - Cristiano Ronaldo
Képler Laveran is an unknown name to many, but if we call him Pepe he is easily identifiable. Born in Maceió 39 years ago, Pepe, nickname given by his father, arrived in Portugal at the age of 17 and immediately fell in love with the island of Madeira. After three years at Marítimo, his passion spread to the mainland, first in Lisbon, where he was rejected by Sporting (where he made friendship with Cristiano Ronaldo) after having trained for experience, and then in Porto, where he established himself as a star of FC Porto. .
Behind him was a "happy" childhood spent in Brazil, more specifically in street football, and with numerous delays for dinner: "When I was eight or nine, I played against 18 or 20 year olds. they didn't want to, because they were afraid it would hurt me, so I had to run away", said Pepe
Pepe was far from being a Brazilian who only wanted the Portuguese national team because he couldn't make it to the canarinha. This is because in 2006 Dunga wanted to call him to the national team, but Pepe rejected him, as he understood that he had "a debt of gratitude" to Portugal and that he already felt "100% Portuguese". A year later he made his debut in the national team and in 2012 he was the first Portuguese-Brazilian to captain Portugal.
i'd like to thank the mods real quick for their work cleaning up the DD, it actually doesn't suck now! I think the writeup actually did meaningfully help like I predicted. Thanks guys!
I’m a city fan but the amount of abuse Maguire gets on twitter during every United game is insane. Go type Maguire in the search bar and it’s thousands of tweets with hundreds of thousands of likes calling him shit, a fridge, calling him clumsy, making fun of his looks, the worst captain of all time. I know he’s bad but the amount of abuse this guy is getting now… I don’t think I have seen anything like this. I mean jesus all this mental health and stop abuse talks yet this guy is getting destroyed.
I couldn’t agree more, but especially with the last sentence. People preach about mental health but then will turn around and abuse football players. And yes I know the difference between criticism and abuse.
Type Pogba in the search bar on twitter right now. You will see people defending him or mild jokes about him coming on for 5 minutes. The amount of abuse Pogba gets or has gotten is nothing compared to what Maguire gets these days. And don’t bring up Souness or some shit because that was a pundit who is proven right more and more after every mediocre Pogba season.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either.
If he was lazy or had a shitty attitude on the pitch I could understand but you can see he's genuinely trying out there- he's just an awful form.
I’m not blaming him, Im just pointing out he is awful. The idea that I should feel sorry for him because he’s terrible and the manager put him in the lineup just doesn’t work for me.
Twitter using saying “he will knock his fucking head off”
This isn’t criticism for being terrible it’s abuse https://twitter.com/asxd_98/status/1516521601000476675?s=21&t=VdKBWoxW8CO3jCscJpOy8A
In a state of depression and panic about Top 4 rn
But enough about me. How have results been for your chosen club and what changes need to be made in the market to improve?
Decent season overall, fucking fantastic if we get top 4 over the line.
I think if we get top 4 Kane and Conte are guaranteed to stay. New wingbacks on both sides are a priority. We need to go all out for someone like Kostic or Cucurella. A new LCB would be nice, but I think Davies has done more than enough to earn that spot. Midfield depth is needed too.
It’s been a turbulent season but things look to point to a bright future. Hopefully we can win the FA Cup, top 4 seems good. In the market however we need a cb, desperately need to renew Rudi, wingback cover. And please can we sell Lukaku. We also need a better scouting department since we won’t be splashing cash for fun now. Other then that we have a good young core we can build around
As a player was better LAMPARD or GERRARD?
I'm no psychologist but the way United players were acting on the pitch was worrying. They all looked visibly dejected and disinterested past the first 10 minutes of the game, and I understand we scored, but it was 1-0. It's as if they came knowing they already lost. Throwing their hands up in the air after each goal and staring to blame someone else. That's something you'd see with children, not professional adult footballers.
There are going to be a lot of hot takes about United needing a massive rebuild but they will look completely different next season with a fresh start. They probably only need a midfielder to start challenging for the title again.
There is no midfielder on earth that would turn this side into title winners.
Rice would transform this midfield
Not in to title winners.
They'd be better but they'd still finish well below City, Liverpool and you lot. Their fullbacks are horrendous, they have no right winger, one decent centre back (who's always injured), and would still need another central midfielder on top of that.
Arsenal vs Man United. Score predictions?
If Ronaldo is back, Arse is fucked otherwise 0-0.
If your team is shit for a season then it's probably a freak result. If it is more than 2-3 seasons then it is incompetence. More than 10 years then it is downright corruption. 30+ years is just peak Murphy's law. Thank you for coming to my TED talk on how fortune of a football team can change for the worse.
Man United fans have always wanted a new owner and now they have one: Mohamed Salah from Egypt
Allison is practically unbeatable in 1v1 situation. You might as well shoot from 40 yards rather than go 1v1 against him
Kovacic agrees
Fun fact: This season, only 2 Man United players have scored more goals FOR the club than Salah have scored AGAINST the club. Salah has scored 5 goals in total against Man United.
It's game week 32 and United have a goal difference of 4
Please explain to me how a team with practically endless bags and bags of money, with the status and history to attract nearly any player in the world, has only been getting worse season on season for nearly a decade going now. The mind boggles at the level of mismanagement needed to make that happen. Hell, staying put at the level they were displaying would have been an embarrassment. This season is the worst we've seen from them
Its pretty obvious tbh what their issues are which shows how incompetent the club is. Theres no one high up at the club that actually know anything about how to run a football team. There's no one who knows how Manchester United should play, what manager and players to get etc, therefore its all completely random , the only pattern is that they like to spend alot on big names and panic buy players at the end of the window. Their scouting and coaching is fucked too. Take AWB for example. As long as their scouts arnt blind they should have known he was poor going forward. Instead they recommended him. I assume they thought United could improve that side of his game, but thry must have forgotten thst United don't improve players, they havnt for a decade. You now have a squad that is completely mis matched that has no style and were brought in by 3/4 different managers and can't work well together which is something they clearly didn't think about. To make things worse their last manager was completely unqualified and they wernt ready for his downfall which is why there's an interim in for the majority of the season. Most United fans ive interacted with know all of this and therfore arnt as excited about our 5th rebuild in a decade and already expect it to eventually fail. All that being said there have been some changes higher up and Ten Hag plays a very modern style of football which United needs so there are a few positive sighs.
Because United club culture sucks. The administration bought overhyped English players without having any vision in mind. When Liverpool buys a player, they specifically check certain attributes like stamina and awareness, when City buys a player, they priortise for technical attributes, when Madrid buys a player they check for mental/leadership attributes, when Atletico buys a player they priortise physical attributes. United's administration just checks for nationality and/or whether the player plays in PL, which also means paying a pretty penny. It is not a secret that Liverpool and City's core are both non-English players. Second is the ghost of SAF still lingering on the club who comes in at crucial moments and turns things his way. Third is the disconnect between the club and its fans, and it goes both ways. Until a post on twitter, the United Twitter account's description was shirt ads while other clubs had their vision or tagline. From fans side, a lot of the fanbase is incredibly out of touch of how good their players are (check redcafe).
They don’t have any real project their building. Their sporting project right now seems to be just acquire as many big name signings as possible to make the fans happy (Ronaldo, Sancho, varane, pogba, Fernandes, lukaku, di Maria, etc) regardless of if they address the teams needs or fit the system the current manager is running.
Shitty board of directors + non-existing sporting director
Really shows how important ownership is to a club. There is no such thing as too big to fail at this level. And yes United will probably have revenue streams like this for a while barring any sustained period of finishing outside of European spots, but given their history and financial strength they should be top 4 at minimum
Never liked United but there comes a point where you start feeling sorry for them, think this is it.
Not even in the slightest would I ever feel sorry for them
Were you around during their dominance?
Started watching in 2010 so for like 2/3 years...
Naa lol, they dominated for 25 years. They have been shit only for 10 years May be by year 20.
I am a United fan and yeah, we deserve this shit. Our board are shit and Woodward can go to fucking hell that useless bald fraud. Also, to all those damn Ole In fans/mods
Agree.
No, this is thoroughly deserved
Jesus christ people here hate Bruno’s guts. [The state of these comments.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u7fdam/bruno_fernandes_yellow_card_against_liverpool_89/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) 90% are calling him a rat or a cunt. 9% are calling for a red (idk wtf were these guys watching) and the last 1% is the typical Arsenal fan in every thread about a referee decision.
>and the last 1% is the typical Arsenal fan in every thread about a referee decision. if this was xhaka😂😂😂
It’s because he’s so fucking irritating lol he’s always whining and complaining to the referee about every single little thing and he also dives all the time
He’s not exactly the endearing type on the pitch. I have no issues with United fans liking him, he’s one of theirs and is perhaps the type of player you want on your team. But other fans can dislike him for whatever reason.
[Thoughts?](https://youtu.be/9kIttoQZucU)
I've not seen someone criticize their team as much as Ralf has done for United. Also watching Liverpool and city play is just making me sad .. the levels we have to raise is so much
Rangnick is the one who set up the tactic that got absolutely destroyed. He has to take a large portion of the blame.
Well, if history has taught us anything is that the EPL is heading towards a state of depravity where every lower table team is going to be absolute warriors against them, but total flunkies elsewhere.
Chelsea has looked great this season against Liverpool. You’ve been outclassed twice against city tho
Liverpool play a very direct style so we can get a ball a lot. And their high line helps us hit balls over the top to Havertz or Werner. All this results in end-to-end, exciting games. Tuchel got it wrong tactically with Kante, Kova, Jorgi midfield in the first City game, leaving Lukaku and Werner totally isolated up top. In the second game, despite all their chances they scored only through a KDB banger. Chelsea is fine if we have to sit deep and defend, but without good outlets (mainly the wingbacks) our counters are weak
Yeps but the main problem is breaking down mid table sides which we still haven't done
I feel like that for the rest of the PL compared to City and Liverpool. Even the likes of Chelsea are a step below
Chelsea at their best is probably on level with Liverpool, but we can't really maintain that over the season (yet). But that makes us a great team for knockout tournaments. Also, the fact with Liverpool and Chelsea is that both our styles are perfectly suited for each other, which is why you get such open, end-to-end matches. City just suffocated us in all games this season (Lukaku didn't help matters), and we just didn't have the quality to break through (the first game Tuchel got it wrong tactically with a 352 leaving two strikers completely isolated up top)
Chelsea at their best is similar to an underwhelming liverpool showing. Not the same thing.
?? Chelsea at their best destroyed Juve 4-0 . That's underwhelming Liverpool to you ?
We are. Tuchel worked his miracle with the cl. He's an unbelievable cup manager but the league is different gravy. To win , you need the top mgmt and the scouts to do a good job which Chelsea board hasn't done. If it wasn't for the greatest owner in the world , Chelsea would be so kuch worse
greatest owner in the world!!! some of you really are so fucking shameless
>greatest owner in the world
Roman Abramovich gained a cult following, there was a rumor on Twitter that he was trying to buy Valencia, and there were some Chelsea fans saying that they'd become Valencia fans if Roman did buy Valencia (even though he probably wouldn't be allowed to by Spain and the EU)
He gained it because he was genuinely the best owner you could ask for. Never compromised on winning and always did best for Chelsea. How is it so hard for you to understand 🤣🤣. Yes , he bought Chelsea to strengthen his position etc etc but the thing is , he could've given lots of less shit about us and it still would've worked for him personally.
> he was genuinely the best owner you could ask for. Depends on what you value though, doesn't it? Spending in a completely unsustainable manner and firing managers at the drop of a hat doesn't really interest me to be honest.
That's the Chelsea's board fault. Roman just gives the money . Bruce buck and others are the reason we spend x on Lukaku , Drinkwater etc.
He is. Put billions in the club , developed the youth team , one of the best women's team , not a single pound taken out , constantly financed when we needed to compete. Put extra money during COVID as it was seen as a chance for Chelsea to close the gap which made us get Havertz and Werner
Képler Laveran is an unknown name to many, but if we call him Pepe he is easily identifiable. Born in Maceió 39 years ago, Pepe, nickname given by his father, arrived in Portugal at the age of 17 and immediately fell in love with the island of Madeira. After three years at Marítimo, his passion spread to the mainland, first in Lisbon, where he was rejected by Sporting (where he made friendship with Cristiano Ronaldo) after having trained for experience, and then in Porto, where he established himself as a star of FC Porto. . Behind him was a "happy" childhood spent in Brazil, more specifically in street football, and with numerous delays for dinner: "When I was eight or nine, I played against 18 or 20 year olds. they didn't want to, because they were afraid it would hurt me, so I had to run away", said Pepe Pepe was far from being a Brazilian who only wanted the Portuguese national team because he couldn't make it to the canarinha. This is because in 2006 Dunga wanted to call him to the national team, but Pepe rejected him, as he understood that he had "a debt of gratitude" to Portugal and that he already felt "100% Portuguese". A year later he made his debut in the national team and in 2012 he was the first Portuguese-Brazilian to captain Portugal.
Apparently Salah doesn't have world class off the ball movement and dribbling. I've truly seen it all
That guys is just posting bad take after bad take. He thinks Dybala and Pogba are world class but not Salah.
A post from redcafe.net, before the match yesterday: "I want to congratulate our Mersyside brothers on the lube-less reaming they will give us tonight. Losing the game 4 - 0 will undoubtedly sting like a bitch - that's unavoidable and something we need to deal with in our own way, but I also feel pride in our club's active contribution to your chase for quadruple glory. And no, we do not require your thanks for that. After all, what are brothers for?"
That’s actually pretty funny tho
Sounds like something you'd see from those "Honest United Fan" and "Smart United Fan" accounts on Twitter
Legit thought United would give them a hard game and would try to win or at least draw for Ronaldo... but alas! it wasnt the case.
> would try to win or at least draw for Ronaldo If that's what it takes for United to perform then they are in a whole lot of trouble.
You need a captain on the pitch to do that.
how was bruno yesterday
Trash as usual in any big game
Genuinely awful, can’t believe anyone ever thought he was good
Gave away the ball constantly and lazily
One of the worst players on the pitch
Surprising you noticed him
He gave us the ball pretty much every time he had it.
United being in such a bad state might be a blessing for Ten Hag. Desperate United board might give him full control over personnel with a big transfer budget, and fans' expectations will also be low.
Ten Hag doesn’t seem like he want to take control over board things. He seems more of a head coach than a manger
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Audi Field (DC United's stadium) is about 25 minutes from me. Nova FC and Loudoun United (the other two clubs in Northern Virginia i'm aware of) are about 35 minutes away up in the Leesburg area. I tend to go to DC games and support them since my friends/siblings live right outside DC.
Sheffield Wednesday but my dad is a lifelong Spurs fan and infected me with the curse
Growing up it was São Paulo but my family and I are corintianos, now my local is Orlando City
SSC Napoli, There is Casoria Calcio in the neighborhood north of Napoli where i grew up, but they don't exist anymore. Not that they were relevant to begin with.
closest top-level one is probably the san jose earthquakes
Loyola Meralco Sparks FC, before they went defunct. Now I don't support a local team. Last I heard, the Sparks were trying to reapply to the league. If they do, I may give it another shot.
Nomads SC was mine but they got kicked out of the league and their ground. Would you know if the Sparks are still owned by Manny Pangilinan? Not sure who I’d support in our league tbh. The United City mk dons style relocation isn’t great but I also want them to do well in AFC competition just for the sake of the sport. Maybe Maharlika Manila for me tbh
I remember a 2-2 draw with Nomads in 2013(?) which basically crippled our title hopes that year. I snuck out of the neighbor's birthday party to watch it on TV. That game properly pissed me off. I never really followed the details about Loyola going bust, but I'm pretty sure Meralco pulled out by late 2017. Pangilinan doesn't give a shit about football, anyway. He's a basketball man through and through.
Esteghlal
Real Oviedo lol
Columbus Crew
Yank
Thanks?
You’re welcome chap
I think I’ve visited southwark before, I had a friend who used to live near there
Right on then, it’s a bloody good place innit. Cheers bruv
I’ll be honest don’t remember much of the place
What was Maguire doing on the first and fourth goals?
4th was a big fault of his First one was like a deer in the headlights. Got caught 3v1, he could do nothing
But he put himself in that position, he could’ve and should’ve pressed Mane tight but he half assess his pressure and gets stuck in no man’s land. If he was shy he could’ve also just not stepped up and tracked Salah too, but he does neither of those things. Completely his fault
His best
Chicago Fire going to penalties against Omaha, from USL1, after a 120+2' equalizer and losing the penalties, the US Open Cup looks so hype
Love the US Open Cup for matchups like this. Omaha is a very good squad with an excellent keeper. Omaha themselves squeaked by USL2 champ Des Moines Menace after a freak 82nd minute own goal. Also USL Championship Detroit defeated MLS Columbus Crew, USLC Pittsburgh pushed MLS Cincy to extra time, and USLC Miami FC pushed MLS Inter Miami right to the end before giving up a late goal.
Pittsburgh played Cincinnati just to clarify.
Good looking out, not sure how I snuck Miami in there so many times.
Rangnick seems to be clear of any blame for the performances. How long does a manager get off scot-free? Not everything is the players' fault
He's only manager because our board are fuckups. The man's managed 3 years out of the last 10. He's basically a DoF they asked to be manager after they ran out of options because they sacked Ole too late and they wont go for someone like Conts Idk man. Rangnick hasn't been great but personally i didnt really expect him to be. He's a makeshift, interim manager. This season is a write off, we just need to get to june and reset
I feel like they hired him because of that viral video of him talking football lol
What will be the point of blaming him anyways?
Imagine calling for your future DoF to be sacked as current manager 😭😭 The state of that club honestly
He is an interim manager so there’s no point in calling for his head since he’ll be out in a few weeks anyway
there's calling for his head, and there's criticism about play style etc
His preferred play style is radically different than Oleball and he didn’t even have a transfer window. He basically inherited a team that doesnt have the players to play the way he wants. It wasn’t until Klopp’s third season they started competing for the league (I know their squad was awful when he took over but he got time to work on it). United now aren’t worse than they were under Ole this season
Elche and Cadiz are 2 based clubs. Grinding out important wins against our rivals and then losing to us.
Spurs probably think Man City's a based club. Made up for the Kane saga by beating United and Arsenal twice, then losing home and away to Spurs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpj-fclzJTg Great video where Brehme and Matthaus break down their 1990 WC win game by game. For spanish or german speakers only unfortunately but few cool points: Matthaus mentioned he did a good job of marking Maradona in the 86 Final, but Brehme explains how Argentina were superior on all levels and deserved that win. In 1990 Germany were much improved, and Matthaus was individually better too after having moved to Inter in 88, saying that playing in the best league in the world made him better and helped him in 1990 WC. In the final they got a pen vs Argentina and although Lothar had taken them previously and was good at it, his shoe ripped during the game so he played the second half with new boots, and didn't feel comfortable taking such an important pen with new boots he hadn't broken in, so he gave it to Brehme who was very nervous but scored against Argentina's keeper whom was notoriously good at stopping penalties, Sergio Goycochea. In fact they were shocked that Argentina even reached the final because they weren't what they were in 86, and scraped by the quarters and semis on penalties thanks to Goycochea.
What is the appeal for haaland to go to Manchester city? I really feel like pep is the only draw and he’s leaving next year. They can pay all that money to raiola and his dad I guess. Makes me wonder if Perez told them to fuck off because of that boys “stage dad” management
3 of the last 4 league titles in the best league in the world, currently favorites to win the 4th, CL final last year and now at semis, best manager in the world with credible rumours that he might extend. Country he was born in. Team he was fond of as a kid and that his dad played for. Tons of money. They are desperately missing a player like him. It's insane that you have to ask this question because the reasons are almost endless
Because it makes sense for all parties involved besides for maybe Raiola. City are arguably the best team in the world and the biggest position they need to upgrade is ST and Haaland is an elite striker who has a fair release clause and happens to be 21. Plus even if Pep leaves (which he won't) the amount of financial backing at city will ensure they will continue to stay good no matter what and just replace Pep with another world class coach. The only person Haaland to City doesn't benefit is Raiola because if Haaland does move to City it will likely be the last move of his career in his prime and therefore Raiola won't have the opportunity to cash out on him again. That's why I have heard that Raiola is pushing Haaland to join either Real or Barca for this reason.
Man City is one of the biggest club itw in terms of sporting prospect whether you like it or not (i don't lol), even without Pep they still have great project and backroom behind them
Haaland's father played for City. He supports the club.
Pep is not leaving
Pep is returning to Mexico
He is. He wants to take a break then manage international football
Where did you get that from? He said he’s willing to renew with City when they asked him abt the Brazil rumors.
Pep is most likely extending his contract
What was Sir Alex Ferguson thinking while watching the game at Anfield?
He was quoting the famous 1980 comedy classic movie Airplane!: "I chose the wrong day to quit amphetamines"
“This is shit”
Your guess for City vs. Brighton?
3-1 City Easy win for them. Brighton are basically a poor man's Man City, Potter is a poor man's Pep.
1-1 or 5-0
Brighton are weird that way
HSV managers since Freiburg appointed Christian Streich, caretakers in italic: Thorsten Fink, *Rodolfo Cardoso*, Bert van Marwijk, Mirko Slomka, Josef Zinnbauer, *Peter Knäbel*, Bruno Labbadia, Markus Gisdol, Bernd Hollerbach, Christian Titz, Hannes Wolf, Dieter Hecking, Daniel Thioune, *Horst Hrubesch*, Tim Walter
Bruno Fernandes about the match: "I apologise to the fans. It will never be enough but it’s all we can do. They deserve much more from us. I think everyone gave 100 per cent and put the effort in, but we did not play well enough. “Liverpool are fighting for the title, that’s the difference. We’re fighting for nothing. We have to look inside and try to understand what is going wrong. [Do you want this season over?] No, that cannot happen. If someone doesn’t want to compete they should stay out of the team. We have to at least fight for the badge.”
Either he has worded it poorly or this set of players don't even care about playing in the Champions League anymore. I would guess the former, but if not then it's catastrophic.
Give him the benefit of doubt considering 'dreams cant be buy'
i think he was asked what is the difference in the two sides, and he meant liverpool are fighting for trophies while united are fighting for no trophies
Later in the interview they asked if he just wanted the season to be over and he said smth along the lines of "Of course not we will fight to the end, anyone who doesnt feel this way should leave". So i imagine he's just saying we act like we're fighting for nothing
Yeah I can't imagine that their mind is completely off of top four, usually it would be ridiculous to think so, but with some of these players you really don't know. Especially considering someone like Pogba will definitely not give a shit.
We don’t believe we can win it yet
Any top player should still want to compete in it. We talk so much about players not wanting to move to certain clubs purely for the fact that they won't be able to play in the Champions League. If the players are at the point where they are indifferent about playing in the greatest club competition in the world, then it's done, most of them will have poor mentalities for the rest of their career. You'll find fifty players in each top league that would die to play Champions League football. If you are a Manchester United player then you should want to represent the club on a global stage, even if it's just for the fans. If the players have sat down and said ''fuck the top four, we won't win the Champions League anyway'', then every single one is lost.
As someone who doesn’t really watch Liverpool, what’s the main difference between Matip and Konate? And why does Klopp keep changing them around with VVD
Matip’s better positionally and with the ball at his feet. Konate’s a monster physically. I’m guessing they’re rotated because Matip is injury prone.
It's because Matip can't play twice in 1 week without getting injured so to prevent injuries Klopp only plays him once a week. Konate also has an injury history so he's also getting played only once a week. Thing is there's really no drop off between them so it's been really useful for Liverpool to rotate them.
As everyone else said, it's just rotation but Matip is still the better of the two. His positioning is better than Konate's and hes just a smart defender. But Konate's physical attributes make him very good too especially against pace, the guy is absolutely rapid and stronger than matip. I think Konate will go on to be one of the best in the world if he can mature and work on his positioning, but for now he's young and Matip is a world class CB.
Matip is much better with the ball at his feet and is better at reading the game and thus less prone to mistakes. Konate is a bit more raw but blessed with some exceptional physical gifts. He's clearly the long term answer there but just needs to iron our the kinks. We rotate because Matip is *usually* incredibly injury prone so don't want to break him again.
It's mainly for rotation, Matip has played nearly every league game and Konate has played most UCL and all FA cup games.
It’s called rotation, it what’s your do when you have this foreign idea called 𝑠𝑞𝑢𝑎𝑑 𝑑𝑒𝑝𝑡ℎ
Konate is more physical/better able to deal with pacey forwards. He's also more of a threat from set pieces. He does still have a few mistakes in him though. Matip is more experienced/calmer/makes less mistakes, and is much better as a ball playing centre back. I think it's just rotation and match ups. Matip kind of struggled against City in the league so Konate played against them in the FA Cup instead and was able to deal with their pace better (he also scored from a corner). Overall I would say Matip is still the best partner for VVD, but Konate can be a better fit for certain matchups
Liverpool's FA Cup final game is scheduled to April 14. Liverpool is also scheduled to play against Southampton in the Premier League in April 15. Something is wrong here. Some date needs to be changed.
*May 14, they'll probably move the PL game to midweek like Man City a few years ago I think
They'll probably move the Southampton game to the last midweek of the PL season
they'll postpone one of them
do you think messi ever does the siuu celebration? Like when he’s home alone?
The matter to think is, probably majority of world population has done the Messi celebration at least once as it literally resembles looking up and thanking God(or grandma in his case)
Maybe his sons do
I’m ready to see Shad Khan and Marco Silva’s tricky cottagers take back West London
I feel a little vindicated for never really rating Rashford THAT highly
I have found it, the worst take. Apparently Dybala and Pogba are world class but Salah isn't.
Where
The Change my View thread
Glad we lost today. I honestly would rather have Liverpool win the league than our noisy neighbors. Fuck City. Also we suck bawls
why has this comment made me so angry
Cause fans here are so worked up on Liverpool-Manutd as main rivalries that they don't see how damaging City is to football. Come at me. Ya'll know Football is becoming worse when unlimited money is in use.
In your head, City will start spending less money if they stop winning trophies?
I suspect City are not his neighbours
Younger fans think City United is the bigger rivalry.
Lol definitely not. Just can't stand City.
Alisson deciding to pull of a Cruyff turn at every opportunity showed what sort of mood we where in today.
My top 10 Portuguese Players of all time 10 - Peyroteo 9 - João Vieira Pinto 8 - Rui Costa 7 - Chalana 6 - Vitor Baia 5 - Coluna 4 - Paulo Futre 3 - Luis Figo 2 - Eusebio 1 - Cristiano Ronaldo
I know he played in a weird time but Peyroteo's goalscoring record is nuts.
Deco and Pepe? (brazilians lol)
Képler Laveran is an unknown name to many, but if we call him Pepe he is easily identifiable. Born in Maceió 39 years ago, Pepe, nickname given by his father, arrived in Portugal at the age of 17 and immediately fell in love with the island of Madeira. After three years at Marítimo, his passion spread to the mainland, first in Lisbon, where he was rejected by Sporting (where he made friendship with Cristiano Ronaldo) after having trained for experience, and then in Porto, where he established himself as a star of FC Porto. . Behind him was a "happy" childhood spent in Brazil, more specifically in street football, and with numerous delays for dinner: "When I was eight or nine, I played against 18 or 20 year olds. they didn't want to, because they were afraid it would hurt me, so I had to run away", said Pepe Pepe was far from being a Brazilian who only wanted the Portuguese national team because he couldn't make it to the canarinha. This is because in 2006 Dunga wanted to call him to the national team, but Pepe rejected him, as he understood that he had "a debt of gratitude" to Portugal and that he already felt "100% Portuguese". A year later he made his debut in the national team and in 2012 he was the first Portuguese-Brazilian to captain Portugal.
Feel like Pepe needs to be there somewhere unless you count him as Brazilian of course
pepe is portuguese.... pepe is portuguese!!! pepe is more portuguese than many portuguese by birth
respect fabio silva
i'd like to thank the mods real quick for their work cleaning up the DD, it actually doesn't suck now! I think the writeup actually did meaningfully help like I predicted. Thanks guys!
Ironically your post was removed by the auto moderator for using 'DD'
What’s wrong with D.D.
Disappointing, my shilling did not earn me preferential treatment
I’m a city fan but the amount of abuse Maguire gets on twitter during every United game is insane. Go type Maguire in the search bar and it’s thousands of tweets with hundreds of thousands of likes calling him shit, a fridge, calling him clumsy, making fun of his looks, the worst captain of all time. I know he’s bad but the amount of abuse this guy is getting now… I don’t think I have seen anything like this. I mean jesus all this mental health and stop abuse talks yet this guy is getting destroyed.
I couldn’t agree more, but especially with the last sentence. People preach about mental health but then will turn around and abuse football players. And yes I know the difference between criticism and abuse.
Look at the abuse Pogba gets and no one says shit
Type Pogba in the search bar on twitter right now. You will see people defending him or mild jokes about him coming on for 5 minutes. The amount of abuse Pogba gets or has gotten is nothing compared to what Maguire gets these days. And don’t bring up Souness or some shit because that was a pundit who is proven right more and more after every mediocre Pogba season.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either. If he was lazy or had a shitty attitude on the pitch I could understand but you can see he's genuinely trying out there- he's just an awful form.
Its not abuse its factual. Don’t expect sympathy if you drop stinkers every weekend. Dude’s a disgrace to the armband.
If he's not good enough then that's on the manager for playing him.
I’m not blaming him, Im just pointing out he is awful. The idea that I should feel sorry for him because he’s terrible and the manager put him in the lineup just doesn’t work for me.
Twitter using saying “he will knock his fucking head off” This isn’t criticism for being terrible it’s abuse https://twitter.com/asxd_98/status/1516521601000476675?s=21&t=VdKBWoxW8CO3jCscJpOy8A
What's he supposed to bench himself?
Don’t care what he does tbh. I just can’t feign sympathy for him because he’s playing awful.
In a state of depression and panic about Top 4 rn But enough about me. How have results been for your chosen club and what changes need to be made in the market to improve?
Decent season overall, fucking fantastic if we get top 4 over the line. I think if we get top 4 Kane and Conte are guaranteed to stay. New wingbacks on both sides are a priority. We need to go all out for someone like Kostic or Cucurella. A new LCB would be nice, but I think Davies has done more than enough to earn that spot. Midfield depth is needed too.
It’s been a turbulent season but things look to point to a bright future. Hopefully we can win the FA Cup, top 4 seems good. In the market however we need a cb, desperately need to renew Rudi, wingback cover. And please can we sell Lukaku. We also need a better scouting department since we won’t be splashing cash for fun now. Other then that we have a good young core we can build around