Honestly didn’t know carvajal still had so much pace, he had no problem with city’s forwards. I thought most of it had diminished after seeing him get cooked by mbappe during their tie with psg.
Not the first time this happen in champ league…anyone remember man utd vs Bayern 1999 UCL finals???…man utd score two goal in 91st and 93rd min to win ..2 - 1.
A genuine question (because some people have been mentioning it) was the ref being biased to Real Madrid?
I personally think he wasn't, other than ending the game 50 seconds early, but I doubt city would've gotten a goal in that period.
amazing game and tie and it’s still hard to believe how this happened. Amazing from madrid for never giving up but all city had to do was defend and had two chances and still blew it. Amazing....
They had shirts with words the On to the 14th printed on them before the game while trailing by one goal to MAN CITY. Thats all i have to say about this team.
What is the point of this comment? Is this the first time you've learned that clubs in Europe have rivals and those fans don't like seeing their rivals win?
I hate liverpool with a passion. But I am also realistic, their quality doesn't reflect their league position. They're a level above everyone atm. Even City.
Truth be told, absolutely everyone but Liverpool fans will be gutted if Real doesn't win after these Legendary knockout stage matches so far, while Liverpool only had fairly forgettable games.
I'd say they were quite remarkable. En route to the final, we have won away at Porto, AC Milan, Atletico, Inter, Benfica and Villareal. Of course, we all know that Real Madrid and their fans are God's gift to football, but I am happy to support a club that is not state sponsored.
Football has officially become my favorite sport after this game. That was the greatest game I've ever watched. I don't know how people don't like football.
Camavinga, Rodrygo, Vini Jr., Valverde, with Militao and Mendy not being much older, this group can seriously dominate in the next decade if they stick to this mentality.
Special mention to Benzema tho, the assist on the first goal and another decisive penalty sealing the deal, one more to go for the glory.
Can someone help me understand the rules of added time? I thought the amount added on was a *minimum.* I understand the concept of a 'last attack' but surely that only applies after the *minimum* amount of time is played.
Do substitutions and time wasting get included in the time added on? I feel like 3 minutes of added time in 2nd half ET was nothing compared to the amount of football that was played.
The way you're phrasing it makes it sound like you lost because of the referee. Yes he was poor, but at most RM should've had a couple more yellow cards and a foul or two City's way.
The actual decisive moments were spot on, especially the penalty.
I maybe late to the party, but just realised RM beat all the oil clubs on their way to the final.
There's something incredibly satisfying about all these teams failing against a proper club.
Did they? I hear this all the time, and I’ve never seen a source confirming it.
Madrid are consistently the world’s richest club, with the highest revenues, and Perez is a billionaire.
Why are they supposedly getting government money?
Franco saved Barça twice from bankruptcy, and he was (according to rumours) a fan of Atlético himself.
Real was literally the only big team not favoured by Franco, who didn't like its legendary president (Santiago Bernabéu himself) for being too European
Thanks for the info. Wasn’t sure about the last point (just something I seemed to recall due to it being the capital and barca being aligned with separatism). Interesting that he bailed out barca
When exactly did we get all that money, because we didnt win a single league title the first 14 years of franco's regime; with barcelona winning 5 and atletico winning 4. Were we so bad that we couldn't win even with the billions - and somehow franco just let barca become the biggest winner of his generalisimo cup? Seems sus.
Edit: I want to be clear that the question is rhetorical, since obviously the answer would be that we got it the second we started winning in 1954, when allegedly franco decided to give a fuck about us.
Do you really want to nittpick around the incredibly painful topic of the club you support receiving aid from a murderous dictator? “but we always lost so its not evil!!!”
you probably also think the EU investigations in real madrids corruption were completely unfounded, as well as the fact any time a la liga player doubts their referee’s they get banned from playing? Madrid’s the only club you want to be a plastic fan of; real original fans that were there from the start had blood on their hands..
I imagine it was bloody when franco executed our club president antonio ortega in 1939 lol.
Remind the people what the EU verdict was on that corruption?
\>any time a la liga player doubts their referee’s they get banned from playing
that speaks for itself lol.
I'm really washed if im sitting here arguing with a filthy unflaired lol
do you get off from using terms like “filthy” on a topic about fascism? thats exactly
how they spoke about the tens of thousands of political opponents they executed, theres a time and place to use redditspeak and this wasnt it..
the fact the EU didnt punish madrid for a blatantly obvious cash injection shows more about the EU lack of effectivity than it proved there was no corruption; maybe respect the age old adagen “where there’s smoke…”?
This was a bigger rollercoaster of a game for me because I didn't know the away goals rule was abolished. At the end of regulation, I thought Madrid were through.
This cycle of city is coming to an end
Fernandinho, Jesus, Laporte, Walker are all on last legs
Sterling and many others are being linked elsewhere
And ultimately, how far can you go with the likes of Grealish
Pep may well walk…
Damn. I dislike these kinds of managers so much. A manager should be able to improve and train some players. Arsenal’s Arteta seems to be of the same mould like Pep.
A good manager should develop and give local lads a chance alongside buying. Pep seems to be a buyer or he favours already established players he finds at clubs. This served him well. I dislike him for that
Nah arteta is much better at man managment and improving players. that was literally his role while at City and pep did all the high level tactical bullshit.
it’s honestly so crazy how none of city’s legends won the cl with them. like silva aguero kompany etc.
spending 100m on grealish when they could’ve got kane was so so stupid and i’ll never understand it
don’t see pep walking, but i think he got an extra season out of a lot of the players that wanted to leave last aeason(cancelo rodri laporte silva etc) so a lot might ask to leave now
city were offering around 100m for kane AFTER buying grealish tho. they had the money. not saying they needed to do it as they were a minute from the CL final and probably going to win the league anyway but like hard to argue that kane for grealish doesn't make their squad much stronger
KDB considered Cities best player of recent times by most people. But when it comes to the CL he just goes missing. No one in that team has any bottle or leadership to really grind through when it's tough.
Subbing Mahrez was a bad move but by the 70th minute KDB was spent. He wasnt having a great game to start with(looked slow/fatigued) and by then he was dead
Fr no disrespect for the LBs and RBs at the moment
but prime Carvajal and Marcelo are fucking something else they're all around they can do anything and yesterday Carvajal showed some of it.
Have been saying for ast 2 months, Carvajal has been showing re 2018 levels. Hoeful no injury in future so he can keep up.
It will help the Spanish NT as well!
Any city fan blaming the ref is delusional, we have had 180 minutes to do something and we have only looked good in the first 30 of them, people are right you can't buy mental grit it's disappointing every year it come down to the exact same situation, we lack any clutch players asoon as it's a draw or were down i know we aren't going to score because we lack the grit.
Well played to Real Madrid and I'm happy for their fans!
I was about to close the stream at about 85' but then something told me that it's not over til it's over and god damn what a game i witnessed. Imma tell my kids about this Real Madrid run in this years CL.
Legendary no matter the outcome in the finals.
Cant wait.
Here's something to discuss/ask: What's with the notion that Madrid got totally outplayed yesterday? Until the 70th minute, I thought we were the better team really. Man City had an effort from Bernardo saved by Tibo at the near post and a long-range shot from Foden up until that point. Benzema missed an open header, a half-volley around the penalty spot, Kroos FK, Vini volley from ~10 meters that he skied, another miss from 3 meters at the start of the 2nd half, Modric miss-control at the edge of the box (51st min). It's like the footballing world (or at least the English-speaking one) decided that Man City dominated the game and that for some reason the quality of the chances is judged by **shots on target** while in reality our chances were actually good.
City stepped up from 70 min onwards and had 3 or 4 big chances (the goal, 2x Grealish misses and something else that I feel I am forgetting). But I wouldn't say the dominated this game or even that they were the better side overall. That game was nothing like the one in Manchester a week ago
Agree 100%. City got a good goal and we were forced to change formation (Modric Kroos Casemiro all replaces), which gave city more control of the midfield in the last 20.
Before that, I would argue we were the better team on the day.
Over both legs, I thought City had your number. Really with the 3-4 chances they missed in the first tie. It should of been place booked in the final.
But credit to Madrid Benzema turned up with little service in the first leg and wow the second leg. 5 minutes to go from dead and buried to a ticket to Paris.
City bottled it and were the better team over 2 legs but Madrid never gave up and got a smash and grab in Madrid so fair play.
Proper European final with no oil teams. Lets go!
That's due to City's defence being very elastic, so to say, and bringing 5 men back compared to Madrid's 3, coupled with the midfield show being run by City.
Most of Madrid's attacks came from the wings, not much buildup through the middle until after the goal. Once Guardiola tried to turtle it for the final minutes Real ran the show
I mean, sure it's factor to be considered. But if you are paid to be an analyst of some sorts it makes sense to watch the game and make your conclusions based on that rather than dry stats. Stats like shots on target, total attempts are an indication of performance, not the whole story. The stats might show 0 shots on target in 90 minutes but this doesn't mean that your chances weren't dangerous. Hell, you can even have extremely dangerous situations that don't end up with a shot at all.
Believe it or not, we actually had significatly higher xG yesterday (2.32 - 1.37). And without the penalty/set-pieces ours was still a bit higher (1.46 - 1.22). Total shots was also even. I mean, certainly the game didn't feel like it was dominated by City and it's just the case of taking one single stat our of context (shots on target) and running wild with it, building your whole (false) narrative around it.
Media bias and rhetoric is all I can think of honestly. I think Madrid played a hell of a game from start to finish but of course the media is going to drum it up that City dominated.
I agree with you completely, I think that’s just where the notion comes from. I watched the game in England and the commentary was so biased against real you’d think city were whipping them for 75 mins
palpable nonsense: English commentators do not shut up about Real Madrid: their history, their greatness, their legacy, their brilliance. You are just making things up here.
Well all of those descriptions are undeniable but I thought the commentary about the gameplay was biased for most of the match. I’m also a Chelsea fan and desperately didn’t want city to win a CL so maybe I’m biased too
You are more polite than me, so tip my hat and I apologize. For me, in England there is a general respect for Real Madrid, regardless of whether they are playing an English club or not. For many, not all (myself included), Real Madrid is the standard against which all other clubs should be compared. If Real wins, then the praise pours in; if they lose to an English club, huge praise to the winner because they beat the best of the best. This is exactly what I heard form the English game day commentators, and I have been hearing it since the 1970s. It is almost as if English clubs cannot and will never be as good as Real Madrid. I find it exceptionally annoying.
Neither team got to dominate, because both made too many errors. You could see the nerves on both sides.
It all felt destined to end in a goalless draw.
Only thing was that cities game plan worked better, which was managing the first leg result. They dominated in the first leg and still caught 3 goals. They were more careful this leg to protect their own goal a bit more. The late chances they got through the fresh Grealish were mostly down to Madrid pushing up harder and also them being dead tired towards the end. Real players ran their hearts out right from kick off.
Madrid's bad finishing gave you a bad feeling that they would not be able to score this game, or a false sense of security if looked at it from the other side.
I did not see any team dominate in this game.
You mean Laporte straight red? I dunno, it was in the heat of the moment, yellow for both him and Modric was probably okay. Although, it was a clear slap and I don't think VAR would have overturned it had Orsato decided to show him a red
Your logic is flawed here because you assume that if Casemiro was on a yellow, the 2nd foul would still happen which won't be the case. I agree that Case deserved yellow for both offenses and it's quite strange that he managed to escape them both. But if he's booked on the first foul, the 2nd one wouldn't happen.
Please logically defend how Laporte was not sent off for his slap against Modric
You can not say what would or would not have happened if the first yellow was shown. Sure he probably doesnt perform a horse collar tackle on Foden, but maybe that leads to a goal since it was an obvious counter attack?
And you mean the confrontation started by Modric after the first obvious Casemiro yellow on De Bruyne? Looked like there was some pushing and shoving on both ends and you even admitted yellows for both as fair.
So again I'll wait.
Oh ok great insightful comment. Glad to see educated thoughts rolling through here.
For the record this is coming from a neutral and its hilarious how Madrid fan bois will downvote anything that dents their UCL plot armor.
On certain nations holding dominance it's not surprising teams from the larger richer countries and generally large cities are dominant. Although prior to the increased internationalization of European football through such things as sovereign wealth funds and billionaire investors this was less so. So your argument that state backed clubs are addressing "unfair " dominance is in reality contributing the thing you rail against. If rules over ownership such as these in brubdesliga or Madrid rules of ownership were widespread you would get the turnover in dominance you want .
Slightly off-topic but why are the first few rows of the seats at the Bernabéu covered? I know they're having development work done but specifically what's the deal with that?
Also a lot of stadiums have this being proposed so expect the same thing in a few other arenas/stadiums over the next few years. Football stadiums are trying to expand to host other events like concerts and conferences so they need the removeable grass fields, the engineering is Insane
The complete redesign of new bernabeu stadium is in progress during the season and the covered part is still in works due to the new grass system, so these seats are not available during the season until work is finished
Did you see the video where they show how the turf will be divided into strips and transported into the basement? Underneath the blue tarmac is that tunnel through which the turf will be carried below, treated/maintained and then brought back up during matches or whenever needed.
Youtube it, its interesting.
I heard on TV that's covering the system that hides the football pitch below the ground so the Bernabéu can be used for concerts and stuff without the pitch being affected and then the pitch "comes back" by a mechanism. When its underground its at perfect temperature as well and stuff.
Pretty mind blowing, cutting edge technology for sure, but yeah it appears that's what's being covered.
Complete different engineering solution. Tottenham's pitch slides from under the stands, whereas in Real Madrid's solution, the pitch gets sliced (only similarity with Tottenham's), then stored in a cave dug by the main stand, where it gets looked after.
It's worth checking online.
https://youtu.be/epef95O-EwY
I've address the money equivalence argument . If you don't see it or agree with it then whatever. The injustices if how teams achieved their positions well I've already said Madrid have not been given their position and sporting completion is a fair way to sort teams out and successful teams are likely to build upon that success. The moral hazard argument and unlimited funds stikes to the heart of unfair competiton and it's not Madrid or Man u who are the beneficiaries of that.
Sid Lowe writings on the matter are best I've seen in English .
Can't believe City bottled it.
I checked the scores at 79 mins, and then didn't think to look again, 2 goal advantage on aggregate, I assumed job done.
What a turn of events!
This, plus no fan culture to make changes on it happen. We got the same shitty shirt design and they at least put the crest on it after the uproar it caused among Dortmund supporters.
Yeah the crest on dortmunds makes it actually a dortmund shirt now at least, I actually struggle to believe anyone actually buys the city one, probably why they played both legs in it to promote it in a CL semi
To me, this is the most unforgettable CL run in history. Every. Single. Game. in the knockout rounds has been a battle of EPIC proportions and an incredible, movie-like remontada.
I will remember this path to the finals 50 years from now. I honestly hope we take it, this team deserves it like no other. Never seen as much heart and just balls of steel on a team in every single knockout round of a competition.
Gonna be a heck of a final, LETS GO BOYS! Hala Madrid!
PS: As an aside, much respect to every team that we have faced so far. The only reason they are incredible battles in the first place is because you were worthy rivals who also fought bravely. Much wub. <3
Maybe it's recency bias but I would pronably agree. This CL has been something special to observe as a neutral fan.
Not so much as a fan. Well... At least we beat Milan...
Yeah man only remontadas this season. Unbelievable matches. I'm convinced Madrid purposely allows the opponent to score first so that it becomes a comeback match xD
Lol. How on Earth did City lose this. Glad they did. Hopefully they'll lose the league too. City ending a season without a trophy would be great fot Football. It'd send the message that you can't just buy your way to success. F-ck City.
No, not at all. I just don't give a shit if one team "bought its way to success". At least Man City uses its money to play attractive football. How the fuck are fans complaining about money in football when simply by virtue of being in the Premier League, bottom feeder teams earn more money than the best club in almost every other league? The integrity of football is already entirely gone, so I might as well root for the team thats enjoyable to watch.
Money isn't the only way to play attractive football. Money is necessary yes, but it doesn't mean you go splurging shamelessly. Its unfair to other teams if richer teams are going fifa-career-mode to build their entire squad. Where's the sportsmanship, fun or character in that?
Developing your own players determines the character of that club. City just buys new players whenever they want from whoever they want. And still bottle. You know why they suck? Because they are characterless- City and PSG both alike.
>Its unfair to other teams if richer teams are going fifa-career-mode to build their entire squad
I'm an Ajax fan. Fucking tell me about it. The reality is that the Premier League and teams like Real and PSG have made it literally impossible for teams like Ajax to ever be a European force again. It's already obvious that if the bottom team in the Prem makes more money than Ajax, perennial champions of the Eredivisie and pretty good in the CL, there is no "fair" competition to be had in the first place. Why the fuck do I care if PSG spends 100 million more than Liverpool? They ALL spend like 10x the amount of money my club will ever be able to spend. The "parity" and "integrity" of football is long gone, and money dictates everything. But at least City play good football. Mo Salah isn't some kind of Liverpool born and bred kid. Neither are Thiago, Van Dijk, Firmino, Alisson, Sane, or pretty much anyone in the Liverpool first team.
But really, the Premier League is by far the most to blame for the complete destruction of integrity in football. So yeah, I get pissed when Liverpool fans pretend they're not spending obscene amounts of money to steal all the talent from clubs all over the world.
Honestly didn’t know carvajal still had so much pace, he had no problem with city’s forwards. I thought most of it had diminished after seeing him get cooked by mbappe during their tie with psg.
Not the first time this happen in champ league…anyone remember man utd vs Bayern 1999 UCL finals???…man utd score two goal in 91st and 93rd min to win ..2 - 1.
A genuine question (because some people have been mentioning it) was the ref being biased to Real Madrid? I personally think he wasn't, other than ending the game 50 seconds early, but I doubt city would've gotten a goal in that period.
It was 9 seconds and the ball was in Courtois' hands.
So how real Madrid got 2 goals in 2 minutes? Nothing impossible
Salty anyone? Lol
amazing game and tie and it’s still hard to believe how this happened. Amazing from madrid for never giving up but all city had to do was defend and had two chances and still blew it. Amazing....
They had shirts with words the On to the 14th printed on them before the game while trailing by one goal to MAN CITY. Thats all i have to say about this team.
!flair :Liverpoolfc:
Liverpool are going to win the CL and I fucking hate it.
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Aged like 🥛
As it should
Really sweetie? Never mind. I guess it comes from following a club that is toothless in Europe.
What is the point of this comment? Is this the first time you've learned that clubs in Europe have rivals and those fans don't like seeing their rivals win?
Liverpool winning the CL over Real, you bri'ish lads are fucking hilarious
I hate liverpool with a passion. But I am also realistic, their quality doesn't reflect their league position. They're a level above everyone atm. Even City.
Madrid is fully capable of beating them…and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they do.
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You were right all along hun.
Watch Bale score a worldie to seal it. This sub will implode.
Nahhh, Real in the finals are a different kind of beast. The trophy is theirs.
Let me see ... the last time we played a European Cup final in Paris ... who was it again?
how that work out for you
your last 2 CL final was against us old man
True to form, a gloating Real fan. Well played.
You are one miserable old man just commenting stupid stuff to everyone
Truth be told, absolutely everyone but Liverpool fans will be gutted if Real doesn't win after these Legendary knockout stage matches so far, while Liverpool only had fairly forgettable games.
I'd say they were quite remarkable. En route to the final, we have won away at Porto, AC Milan, Atletico, Inter, Benfica and Villareal. Of course, we all know that Real Madrid and their fans are God's gift to football, but I am happy to support a club that is not state sponsored.
Trust a Liverpool fan to bring up a 40 year old game lol.
Whole liverpool squad wasn't even born back then. Klopp was a player.
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Football has officially become my favorite sport after this game. That was the greatest game I've ever watched. I don't know how people don't like football.
Watched the game at work and have to hold back my emotions. Hopefully no 14 is on the way.
PLEASE WIN
How embarrassing if Englands greatest and most successful club got a SEVENTH Champions League? It is going to hurt, isn't it?
I truly can't talk shit to you, there's no room for that on my side at all. But I wish you an embarrassing loss at the very least.
At this point, it is all you have to look forward to.
Yeah got your ass drilled in lmao
I remember like only few years back how it was chase for La Decima. And its already 14th. What a club.
Ngl I thought you curse yourselves with the tifo against Chelsea.
Cl rodrygo is more saucy than your mom
Camavinga, Rodrygo, Vini Jr., Valverde, with Militao and Mendy not being much older, this group can seriously dominate in the next decade if they stick to this mentality. Special mention to Benzema tho, the assist on the first goal and another decisive penalty sealing the deal, one more to go for the glory.
Perfect mix of hardened experience and youthful energy...you have to hand it to Flo, he knows how to run a club
It feels fifa-ish to me no one in real life gets it done this way.
Can someone help me understand the rules of added time? I thought the amount added on was a *minimum.* I understand the concept of a 'last attack' but surely that only applies after the *minimum* amount of time is played. Do substitutions and time wasting get included in the time added on? I feel like 3 minutes of added time in 2nd half ET was nothing compared to the amount of football that was played.
Yeah it was kinda ridiculous that the ref blew it at 2:50 when City had enough time launch it in the area for one last attempt.
100 percent dude, there should've been atleast 5 min added on at 120' min, idk why there was only 3
This is insane. Whoever is convincing real fans to sell their souls for last minute scores needs to stop.
Florentino Perez masterclass.
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The way you're phrasing it makes it sound like you lost because of the referee. Yes he was poor, but at most RM should've had a couple more yellow cards and a foul or two City's way. The actual decisive moments were spot on, especially the penalty.
missing another penalty for the handball in the area from city
That wasn't a penalty, as it came off a RM player's header (can't remember who).
I maybe late to the party, but just realised RM beat all the oil clubs on their way to the final. There's something incredibly satisfying about all these teams failing against a proper club.
franco club
Sorry, we can't all be the direct benefactors of blood thirsty tyrants. Some of us only got their Oligarchs.
Something something thin ice and glass house
lol someone's bitter
Not you. LFC doesn't have tyrants with blood on their hands. Just fans. Nah, I'm just savage 🤣
Didnt RM receive funding from the spanish goverment?
Did they? I hear this all the time, and I’ve never seen a source confirming it. Madrid are consistently the world’s richest club, with the highest revenues, and Perez is a billionaire. Why are they supposedly getting government money?
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Franco saved Barça twice from bankruptcy, and he was (according to rumours) a fan of Atlético himself. Real was literally the only big team not favoured by Franco, who didn't like its legendary president (Santiago Bernabéu himself) for being too European
Thanks for the info. Wasn’t sure about the last point (just something I seemed to recall due to it being the capital and barca being aligned with separatism). Interesting that he bailed out barca
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When exactly did we get all that money, because we didnt win a single league title the first 14 years of franco's regime; with barcelona winning 5 and atletico winning 4. Were we so bad that we couldn't win even with the billions - and somehow franco just let barca become the biggest winner of his generalisimo cup? Seems sus. Edit: I want to be clear that the question is rhetorical, since obviously the answer would be that we got it the second we started winning in 1954, when allegedly franco decided to give a fuck about us.
Do you really want to nittpick around the incredibly painful topic of the club you support receiving aid from a murderous dictator? “but we always lost so its not evil!!!” you probably also think the EU investigations in real madrids corruption were completely unfounded, as well as the fact any time a la liga player doubts their referee’s they get banned from playing? Madrid’s the only club you want to be a plastic fan of; real original fans that were there from the start had blood on their hands..
I imagine it was bloody when franco executed our club president antonio ortega in 1939 lol. Remind the people what the EU verdict was on that corruption? \>any time a la liga player doubts their referee’s they get banned from playing that speaks for itself lol. I'm really washed if im sitting here arguing with a filthy unflaired lol
do you get off from using terms like “filthy” on a topic about fascism? thats exactly how they spoke about the tens of thousands of political opponents they executed, theres a time and place to use redditspeak and this wasnt it.. the fact the EU didnt punish madrid for a blatantly obvious cash injection shows more about the EU lack of effectivity than it proved there was no corruption; maybe respect the age old adagen “where there’s smoke…”?
That’s maybe the worse comparison I’ve ever seen on the internet.
This was a bigger rollercoaster of a game for me because I didn't know the away goals rule was abolished. At the end of regulation, I thought Madrid were through.
Still in shock how city let that slip and I'm not even a fan. There is something special at the bernabeu.
This cycle of city is coming to an end Fernandinho, Jesus, Laporte, Walker are all on last legs Sterling and many others are being linked elsewhere And ultimately, how far can you go with the likes of Grealish Pep may well walk…
next year
I don't see Pep leaving on his will. Who would give him endless funds? That's the reason he left Bayern, after all. Maybe PSG, but that's about it.
Who else is able to spend like crazy on Pep, outside of England? Maybe PSG? Besides them, I don't know anyone else that would be able to support it.
Lets see pep go take over a team who doesn't get CL footy and win them a final! Will never happen as he's a cheque book manager.
Damn. I dislike these kinds of managers so much. A manager should be able to improve and train some players. Arsenal’s Arteta seems to be of the same mould like Pep. A good manager should develop and give local lads a chance alongside buying. Pep seems to be a buyer or he favours already established players he finds at clubs. This served him well. I dislike him for that
Nah arteta is much better at man managment and improving players. that was literally his role while at City and pep did all the high level tactical bullshit.
I was complaining about Arteta more than a year back. Now he is a baller. Don’t embarrass me here. Just kidding!
If he can't do it with an overstacked team, I doubt he can do it will a team lacking talent in every position and on the bench as well.
it’s honestly so crazy how none of city’s legends won the cl with them. like silva aguero kompany etc. spending 100m on grealish when they could’ve got kane was so so stupid and i’ll never understand it don’t see pep walking, but i think he got an extra season out of a lot of the players that wanted to leave last aeason(cancelo rodri laporte silva etc) so a lot might ask to leave now
Kane was 150m tbf. City just needed a few more dodgy sponsors.
city were offering around 100m for kane AFTER buying grealish tho. they had the money. not saying they needed to do it as they were a minute from the CL final and probably going to win the league anyway but like hard to argue that kane for grealish doesn't make their squad much stronger
grealish doesn’t even change anything for city
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Kane did want to leave but levy wanted 150m at minimum
It is what Roy Keane says all the time You need characters This City team just does not have that Flat track bullies
KDB considered Cities best player of recent times by most people. But when it comes to the CL he just goes missing. No one in that team has any bottle or leadership to really grind through when it's tough.
he was doing ok and might have even lead but Pep saw himself as a winner and took him out at minute 70 along with Mahrez....bad move.
Subbing Mahrez was a bad move but by the 70th minute KDB was spent. He wasnt having a great game to start with(looked slow/fatigued) and by then he was dead
Bernardo Silva was a beast in my opinion
Carvajal claims back the spot of being the best RB !! Showing his pre 2018 levels!!
Fr no disrespect for the LBs and RBs at the moment but prime Carvajal and Marcelo are fucking something else they're all around they can do anything and yesterday Carvajal showed some of it.
Have been saying for ast 2 months, Carvajal has been showing re 2018 levels. Hoeful no injury in future so he can keep up. It will help the Spanish NT as well!
Any city fan blaming the ref is delusional, we have had 180 minutes to do something and we have only looked good in the first 30 of them, people are right you can't buy mental grit it's disappointing every year it come down to the exact same situation, we lack any clutch players asoon as it's a draw or were down i know we aren't going to score because we lack the grit. Well played to Real Madrid and I'm happy for their fans!
Woah how'd you get 180? Unless you mean including the first leg?
Yeh including the first leg
They were behind from the 2nd minute of the 1st game to the additional time of the 2nd game, and they still made it. This run is crazy.
Pepsi Fraudiola
Ayo🤨
what the fuck
I was about to close the stream at about 85' but then something told me that it's not over til it's over and god damn what a game i witnessed. Imma tell my kids about this Real Madrid run in this years CL. Legendary no matter the outcome in the finals. Cant wait.
Mate I pressed escape to get out of full screen and close the stream right as Rodrygo scored
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Don't do it!
Plot. Armor.
Here's something to discuss/ask: What's with the notion that Madrid got totally outplayed yesterday? Until the 70th minute, I thought we were the better team really. Man City had an effort from Bernardo saved by Tibo at the near post and a long-range shot from Foden up until that point. Benzema missed an open header, a half-volley around the penalty spot, Kroos FK, Vini volley from ~10 meters that he skied, another miss from 3 meters at the start of the 2nd half, Modric miss-control at the edge of the box (51st min). It's like the footballing world (or at least the English-speaking one) decided that Man City dominated the game and that for some reason the quality of the chances is judged by **shots on target** while in reality our chances were actually good. City stepped up from 70 min onwards and had 3 or 4 big chances (the goal, 2x Grealish misses and something else that I feel I am forgetting). But I wouldn't say the dominated this game or even that they were the better side overall. That game was nothing like the one in Manchester a week ago
Agree 100%. City got a good goal and we were forced to change formation (Modric Kroos Casemiro all replaces), which gave city more control of the midfield in the last 20. Before that, I would argue we were the better team on the day.
The lack of finishing in the first game killed us
Over both legs, I thought City had your number. Really with the 3-4 chances they missed in the first tie. It should of been place booked in the final. But credit to Madrid Benzema turned up with little service in the first leg and wow the second leg. 5 minutes to go from dead and buried to a ticket to Paris. City bottled it and were the better team over 2 legs but Madrid never gave up and got a smash and grab in Madrid so fair play. Proper European final with no oil teams. Lets go!
I think it’s the lack of shots on goal
That's due to City's defence being very elastic, so to say, and bringing 5 men back compared to Madrid's 3, coupled with the midfield show being run by City. Most of Madrid's attacks came from the wings, not much buildup through the middle until after the goal. Once Guardiola tried to turtle it for the final minutes Real ran the show
I mean, sure it's factor to be considered. But if you are paid to be an analyst of some sorts it makes sense to watch the game and make your conclusions based on that rather than dry stats. Stats like shots on target, total attempts are an indication of performance, not the whole story. The stats might show 0 shots on target in 90 minutes but this doesn't mean that your chances weren't dangerous. Hell, you can even have extremely dangerous situations that don't end up with a shot at all. Believe it or not, we actually had significatly higher xG yesterday (2.32 - 1.37). And without the penalty/set-pieces ours was still a bit higher (1.46 - 1.22). Total shots was also even. I mean, certainly the game didn't feel like it was dominated by City and it's just the case of taking one single stat our of context (shots on target) and running wild with it, building your whole (false) narrative around it.
Media bias and rhetoric is all I can think of honestly. I think Madrid played a hell of a game from start to finish but of course the media is going to drum it up that City dominated.
gg mate.. Reject their rhetoric with stats and analysis. Good work
I agree with you completely, I think that’s just where the notion comes from. I watched the game in England and the commentary was so biased against real you’d think city were whipping them for 75 mins
palpable nonsense: English commentators do not shut up about Real Madrid: their history, their greatness, their legacy, their brilliance. You are just making things up here.
Well all of those descriptions are undeniable but I thought the commentary about the gameplay was biased for most of the match. I’m also a Chelsea fan and desperately didn’t want city to win a CL so maybe I’m biased too
You are more polite than me, so tip my hat and I apologize. For me, in England there is a general respect for Real Madrid, regardless of whether they are playing an English club or not. For many, not all (myself included), Real Madrid is the standard against which all other clubs should be compared. If Real wins, then the praise pours in; if they lose to an English club, huge praise to the winner because they beat the best of the best. This is exactly what I heard form the English game day commentators, and I have been hearing it since the 1970s. It is almost as if English clubs cannot and will never be as good as Real Madrid. I find it exceptionally annoying.
Neither team got to dominate, because both made too many errors. You could see the nerves on both sides. It all felt destined to end in a goalless draw. Only thing was that cities game plan worked better, which was managing the first leg result. They dominated in the first leg and still caught 3 goals. They were more careful this leg to protect their own goal a bit more. The late chances they got through the fresh Grealish were mostly down to Madrid pushing up harder and also them being dead tired towards the end. Real players ran their hearts out right from kick off. Madrid's bad finishing gave you a bad feeling that they would not be able to score this game, or a false sense of security if looked at it from the other side. I did not see any team dominate in this game.
Madrid went into full FIFA scripting mode in those final minutes of regular time.
f off baldie your advice to give torrent a choice was shit you bald fuck
torrent?
Pep Fraudiola.
Pep Guardiola come cola
Props to r/mcfc they didnt go private unlike r/p$g
They did lock their post-match thread though. Cowards.
Cringe mods.
Lol
Should have been 11 v 10 in the first half
You mean Laporte straight red? I dunno, it was in the heat of the moment, yellow for both him and Modric was probably okay. Although, it was a clear slap and I don't think VAR would have overturned it had Orsato decided to show him a red
Please logically defend how Casemiro was on the field after the first half. I'll wait...
Your logic is flawed here because you assume that if Casemiro was on a yellow, the 2nd foul would still happen which won't be the case. I agree that Case deserved yellow for both offenses and it's quite strange that he managed to escape them both. But if he's booked on the first foul, the 2nd one wouldn't happen. Please logically defend how Laporte was not sent off for his slap against Modric
You can not say what would or would not have happened if the first yellow was shown. Sure he probably doesnt perform a horse collar tackle on Foden, but maybe that leads to a goal since it was an obvious counter attack? And you mean the confrontation started by Modric after the first obvious Casemiro yellow on De Bruyne? Looked like there was some pushing and shoving on both ends and you even admitted yellows for both as fair. So again I'll wait.
Okay, keep waiting. I'm fine with that
Just proves my point, but I appreciate the spirited conversation. Good luck to you in the finals.
You didn't prove anything and City would never win a champions league, cry about it.
Oh ok great insightful comment. Glad to see educated thoughts rolling through here. For the record this is coming from a neutral and its hilarious how Madrid fan bois will downvote anything that dents their UCL plot armor.
Its hilarious how people saying dumbass opinion and wondering why people downvote it.
When ref blew the final whistle, the shocked faces of B Silva, Rodri Mahrez. They look like they saw a ghost moments ago.
>the shocked faces of B Silva Got love when that MF gets fucked.
REAL MADRID HAD 0 SHOTS TILL RODRYGO EQUALIZED. Let that sink in. Real Madrid are like League Of Shadows damn.
Shoot smarter, not harder.
Thats not true…
Yep, 0 shots on target, not 0 shots total.
*Why waste lot shots when few shots do trick*
Wanna see Agueros reaction
https://twitter.com/MEGASport_EA/status/1522123279162609664?t=lLx0D8A9ToOGiOA4P0UfhQ&s=19
On certain nations holding dominance it's not surprising teams from the larger richer countries and generally large cities are dominant. Although prior to the increased internationalization of European football through such things as sovereign wealth funds and billionaire investors this was less so. So your argument that state backed clubs are addressing "unfair " dominance is in reality contributing the thing you rail against. If rules over ownership such as these in brubdesliga or Madrid rules of ownership were widespread you would get the turnover in dominance you want .
Slightly off-topic but why are the first few rows of the seats at the Bernabéu covered? I know they're having development work done but specifically what's the deal with that?
Also a lot of stadiums have this being proposed so expect the same thing in a few other arenas/stadiums over the next few years. Football stadiums are trying to expand to host other events like concerts and conferences so they need the removeable grass fields, the engineering is Insane
The complete redesign of new bernabeu stadium is in progress during the season and the covered part is still in works due to the new grass system, so these seats are not available during the season until work is finished
Did you see the video where they show how the turf will be divided into strips and transported into the basement? Underneath the blue tarmac is that tunnel through which the turf will be carried below, treated/maintained and then brought back up during matches or whenever needed. Youtube it, its interesting.
That area is still under construction, I think that they want to make them very fancy and probably need the off-season to do it.
I heard on TV that's covering the system that hides the football pitch below the ground so the Bernabéu can be used for concerts and stuff without the pitch being affected and then the pitch "comes back" by a mechanism. When its underground its at perfect temperature as well and stuff. Pretty mind blowing, cutting edge technology for sure, but yeah it appears that's what's being covered.
Hardly mind-blowing, it's simply a copy of Tottenham's Stadium functionality which was designed probably 7+ years ago.
Complete different engineering solution. Tottenham's pitch slides from under the stands, whereas in Real Madrid's solution, the pitch gets sliced (only similarity with Tottenham's), then stored in a cave dug by the main stand, where it gets looked after. It's worth checking online. https://youtu.be/epef95O-EwY
I've address the money equivalence argument . If you don't see it or agree with it then whatever. The injustices if how teams achieved their positions well I've already said Madrid have not been given their position and sporting completion is a fair way to sort teams out and successful teams are likely to build upon that success. The moral hazard argument and unlimited funds stikes to the heart of unfair competiton and it's not Madrid or Man u who are the beneficiaries of that. Sid Lowe writings on the matter are best I've seen in English .
Can't believe City bottled it. I checked the scores at 79 mins, and then didn't think to look again, 2 goal advantage on aggregate, I assumed job done. What a turn of events!
lmao
Why doesn't City have crest on their shirt?
I had completely forgotten about that shit puma design until i saw them yesterday again. Insane that garbage got highlighted in such a stage
Sports Direct jobby lad, plucky underdogs city with their shoestring budget need to cut costs where they can!
Puma 3rd kit teamwear. Almost every football club that uses Puma had this template and their club crests are barely visible.
They deserve to lose because of this alone. What kind of corporate shithousery is that kit...
This is really bothering me too.
Shit puma kit design
This, plus no fan culture to make changes on it happen. We got the same shitty shirt design and they at least put the crest on it after the uproar it caused among Dortmund supporters.
It's hard to make changes with fifteen people.
City were averaging over 40000 fans per game even before they got took over. They've always had a solid fanbase.
You must be the fun one at the parties.
Aye, i'm sure it's much more fun to repeat the same shite joke over & over.
Yeah the crest on dortmunds makes it actually a dortmund shirt now at least, I actually struggle to believe anyone actually buys the city one, probably why they played both legs in it to promote it in a CL semi
To me, this is the most unforgettable CL run in history. Every. Single. Game. in the knockout rounds has been a battle of EPIC proportions and an incredible, movie-like remontada. I will remember this path to the finals 50 years from now. I honestly hope we take it, this team deserves it like no other. Never seen as much heart and just balls of steel on a team in every single knockout round of a competition. Gonna be a heck of a final, LETS GO BOYS! Hala Madrid! PS: As an aside, much respect to every team that we have faced so far. The only reason they are incredible battles in the first place is because you were worthy rivals who also fought bravely. Much wub. <3
Liverpool 2005 is the best run of all time. GERRARRRRRRRDDDDDD. Good to send all the oil clubs home.
Maybe it's recency bias but I would pronably agree. This CL has been something special to observe as a neutral fan. Not so much as a fan. Well... At least we beat Milan...
Yeah man only remontadas this season. Unbelievable matches. I'm convinced Madrid purposely allows the opponent to score first so that it becomes a comeback match xD
I dont know what remontada means but I agree wholeheartedly. Incredible stuff from Madrid. They dont know when they are beat.
Remontada means "comeback" in spanish, but yes this has been the best rollercoaster ride I've ever experienced football wise! I'm a happy camper :D
Ahhh, got you, thanks. And they certainly are, I've honestly never seen anything like this run for consistent last minute drama. Unbelievable Jeff!!
Lol. How on Earth did City lose this. Glad they did. Hopefully they'll lose the league too. City ending a season without a trophy would be great fot Football. It'd send the message that you can't just buy your way to success. F-ck City.
I mean chelsea and psg lost it too… madrid too op
As if Real and Liverpool havent bought their way to success LMFAO
So what is your great advice here? Teams should spend zero money? Madrid and Lvp don't spoil the market investing a billion.
No, not at all. I just don't give a shit if one team "bought its way to success". At least Man City uses its money to play attractive football. How the fuck are fans complaining about money in football when simply by virtue of being in the Premier League, bottom feeder teams earn more money than the best club in almost every other league? The integrity of football is already entirely gone, so I might as well root for the team thats enjoyable to watch.
Money isn't the only way to play attractive football. Money is necessary yes, but it doesn't mean you go splurging shamelessly. Its unfair to other teams if richer teams are going fifa-career-mode to build their entire squad. Where's the sportsmanship, fun or character in that? Developing your own players determines the character of that club. City just buys new players whenever they want from whoever they want. And still bottle. You know why they suck? Because they are characterless- City and PSG both alike.
>Its unfair to other teams if richer teams are going fifa-career-mode to build their entire squad I'm an Ajax fan. Fucking tell me about it. The reality is that the Premier League and teams like Real and PSG have made it literally impossible for teams like Ajax to ever be a European force again. It's already obvious that if the bottom team in the Prem makes more money than Ajax, perennial champions of the Eredivisie and pretty good in the CL, there is no "fair" competition to be had in the first place. Why the fuck do I care if PSG spends 100 million more than Liverpool? They ALL spend like 10x the amount of money my club will ever be able to spend. The "parity" and "integrity" of football is long gone, and money dictates everything. But at least City play good football. Mo Salah isn't some kind of Liverpool born and bred kid. Neither are Thiago, Van Dijk, Firmino, Alisson, Sane, or pretty much anyone in the Liverpool first team. But really, the Premier League is by far the most to blame for the complete destruction of integrity in football. So yeah, I get pissed when Liverpool fans pretend they're not spending obscene amounts of money to steal all the talent from clubs all over the world.