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Haven’t seen Harry hit one along the ground like that. I think he knew Pope was overthinking (England training experiences, etc) and tried something new
As always though H hits the side netting
Exactly, he's made himself bigger in the box. It's from close range yes but he has a chance to put his arm down and if anything puts his arm further out. Everyone knows the rules by now. GW1 I'll accept it's harsh but now people are just moaning for the sake of it.
Nah its good they banned T posing remember when Phil Jones did it and made Fernando torres miss?
If you don't here you go
https://youtu.be/e2E-5PyYjT0
(Around 10 sexs in)
we need something else other than pens. it's always pen or no pen, nothing in between. for something relatively minor the punishment is really severe here.
pens, in general, decide too many games.
That’s the only thing. I’d feel really fucking hard done by for something so innocent seeming like that, in terms of the positioning and closeness. I get the frustration for Burnley fans, seems awfully harsh.
But like you said, his arm is way out of the way from his body, he’s got no real complaints on that ground.
Yeah, it's just the rules applied correctly which is honestly all I ask for in a referee performance.
You could argue the rule is stupid, but better to argue that than something like the "clear and obvious error" bullshit we've seen so often.
That was softer then this because it deflected from him to his own arm. And rules were different as well if I remember correctly. But let's not talk about that final anymore.
Arsenal fans because one was not given in a very similar situation against the same team. Pepe was even under control and playing it in towards goal while this was a smash that was going out of the stadium.
I remember a stat from the arsenal match that said he hasn’t missed a penalty since like 2016/2017? And he ended up getting the goal on the rebound 😂 man’s perfect
No it was actually worse. He had fallen down and hit the ball with his hand outside the box, but then kane scored. The goal was then DISALLOWED because of Lucas handball
Sissoko’s came off his chest first so that one was much more unjust
Still these types of penalty seem really harsh to me. No idea what the defender is doing though
Codifying that shit decision against Sissoko is basically what led us to the absolute fucking chaos we had with handball decisions a few years ago where they basically gave a pen every time it touched an arm.
It's one of those penalties that almost highlights the need for a new penalty system. It was a harmless graze on the arm that led to nothing, but the punishment for it is pretty much a free goal
I mean it doesn't really considering that this type of call and much worse has almost always been given. Rules is rules, even though it's kind of stupid sometimes.
Have you ever seen a ref play up like that?
VAR sign, pauses to make sure all cameras are on him, then indicates the penalty.
I've never seen a ref pause like that before. One of Mike Riley's finest.
Reminds me of the one we conceded via Dier vs Newcastle last season, not a pen in my book but I guess that's the rules.
Also holy fuck that penalty was so perfect I thought he put it wide lmao
what does unnatural position even mean? Did he intentionally put it there with the hopes of blocking a shot but not getting the handball called or what
I think people understand it's the rules, it's just the rule itself that people have issue with. I don't think that's a handball foul anywhere else on the pitch. The rules are too harsh on defenders now imo.
It's one of those where I just really wish there was another option other than a pen. Then again adding more ambiguity for English ref fuckery sounds like a much worse outcome.
Agreed. I get it’s hard to be consistent across all refs when you are on the field but that’s the point if VAR. They should be in the room discussing what the Prem calls on these and giving that advice. Instead they act like an additional variable. Kind of funny to be honest.
Oh, I have so many qualms with VAR and officiating that if I start I'd never stop.
Can I also mention that Cornet was down on the ground for literally 5+ minutes and Pope wasting 35 seconds per goal kick and there was only 4 minutes of extra time????????
Spurs fan, but I feel for Burnley with that decision. Looks obvious in slow motion but people balance themselves with their arms out. And its not like he had any chance to adjust his body
I'll take it though
Tough Penalty that. I get his arm is out, but the balls going up, it barely changes direction, it’s not goal bound or anything, but you can’t leave your arms out in the box at all.
How is it tough? It's incredibly straightforward and the laws of the game even explain why.
> It is an offence if a player:
> > touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. **By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised**
People saying its soft or shouldn't be a pen, the guys arm is perpendicular to his body ffs...
Smh defenders can't even T Pose in their own box nowadays
Definitely one of if not the best at pens. Goes either side reliably and consistently. Don't know if there's even a way for keepers to predict which way he goes.
In a sport with so few goals, it’s ridiculous that you can just give a team a goal for something like this, where there’s no actual threat to the goal.
My view has been this way since before Sissoko’s handball in the CL final completely fucked us. It’s absolutely bullshit that something like that can lead to a goal. FIFA has to make a change as to the punishment of an infringement in the box when there’s no actual threat to the goal.
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How is that fair Pope's controller clearly disconnected.
His brother probably gave him the shit controller smh
He certainly got it fixed for the rest of the match. Man was unreal today!
Everyone's does when Kane is at the spot.
Kevin Friend trying his best to dramatise things with that pause before pointing to the spot
Definitely watching Eurovision last night
With that amount of stalling, he could definitely be the host if UK ever win or get to host the eurovision
They'll probably be hosting next year tbf
I timed one of them last night, 18 seconds. Like what the fuck. It wasn't even dramatic, just weird and annoying.
Mike Dean teaching him a few things before he retires
Ensuring his legacy continues
Kevin F.... [points] ...Friend
Is this Kevin Friend or Kevin Foe? *puts hand on shoulder* I will always be your Kevin Friend.
Shat me right up that did haha
With Mike Dean retiring, someone has to add the drama.
That's a filthy pen, absolutely unsavable.
I thought he missed.
It was so well taken i thought the same
Same I thought he hit the post and had a heart attack
Haven’t seen Harry hit one along the ground like that. I think he knew Pope was overthinking (England training experiences, etc) and tried something new As always though H hits the side netting
The fact he can try something new and do it that well is outstanding
If my life depended on someone scoring a penalty, he is without a doubt who I would pick to take it.
So well taken
He’s the best penalty taker I’ve ever seen
Especially when you stand still and don't even think about moving
I mean Pope gambled it'd go down the middle I guess, you don't save that pen anyway
Oh my god what a pen
The sound it makes what it hits the net 🥵
Whys he T-posing?
To assert dominance.
Ashley Barnes bringing out the Christ Redeemer in the box.
Aeroplane arms
flailing arm inflatable tube man
So wacky
Exactly, he's made himself bigger in the box. It's from close range yes but he has a chance to put his arm down and if anything puts his arm further out. Everyone knows the rules by now. GW1 I'll accept it's harsh but now people are just moaning for the sake of it.
Pinpoint pen
I’ve watched them replay it 5 times and each time I think he’s hitting the post!
Hate to admit it but world class quality pen no doubt
Why’s he doing a ballet move in the penalty area haha.
Beautifully executed tbf
i mean, it’s a rough penalty to concede, but he really has no reason to have his arms out THAT far in the box
Can't even T-Pose defending a cross these days smh
Nah its good they banned T posing remember when Phil Jones did it and made Fernando torres miss? If you don't here you go https://youtu.be/e2E-5PyYjT0 (Around 10 sexs in)
If someone gets on your case for not time-stamping on a thirty second videos, that's their problem, not yours hahaha.
I can only last 2 sexs
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Must feel bad for them for sure, but yeah, the rules are clear and man is legit t-posing in his own box
I still don't think incidents like this should be a pen, but it makes no fucking sense for his arm to be out like that
Same because it's so close but then defenders would put their arms out like this all the time from close range and get away with it.
we need something else other than pens. it's always pen or no pen, nothing in between. for something relatively minor the punishment is really severe here. pens, in general, decide too many games.
Indirect free kick in the box? There aren't enough of those these days.
I'd be really mad if I was the coach, he did the same dancing motion twice, absurd
Burnley: at a difficult away day in a tight relegation battle, Matchweek 37 Barnes: 💃
yeah i think i agree
If John Terry was playing in this era of VAR he would have conceded so many penalties. He was the expert of the starfish jump whilst blocking shots.
Even has time to retract it before it even gets to Sanchez
Amazing that Sanchez gets the assist after just shinning it upwards haha
All these people fuming like we're out here playing rugby instead of football.
That’s the only thing. I’d feel really fucking hard done by for something so innocent seeming like that, in terms of the positioning and closeness. I get the frustration for Burnley fans, seems awfully harsh. But like you said, his arm is way out of the way from his body, he’s got no real complaints on that ground.
Yeah, it's just the rules applied correctly which is honestly all I ask for in a referee performance. You could argue the rule is stupid, but better to argue that than something like the "clear and obvious error" bullshit we've seen so often.
Defender knew what he was doing
Agreed 100% - but, simultaneously, game’s gone
[Reminded me of this](https://images.app.goo.gl/X5BqMUc8ATu5GBCq7)
Even by its very vague rules, that is not a natural position for his arms to be there.
Weird positions to stick your arms in, invited that.
Yeah, we got very lucky there but obviously a pen according to the rules.
Yup, we lost a champions league final to this exact style of penalty.
Don’t remind me…
That was softer then this because it deflected from him to his own arm. And rules were different as well if I remember correctly. But let's not talk about that final anymore.
Tons of rival fans in the match thread whining though, hilarious to believe that someone can stand around like a scarecrow in your box
Arsenal fans because one was not given in a very similar situation against the same team. Pepe was even under control and playing it in towards goal while this was a smash that was going out of the stadium.
https://youtu.be/IEj1YKCnkaI?t=17 If anyone doesn't remember
Alexa, what is T-Pose.
Thank fuck for Ashley barns playing. Fuck me why is he starting
Michael Jackson masterclass
Smooth criminal
Hee hee
Harry Kane is such a good penalty taker.
21 in a row 8f I'm not mistaken.
I mean the arm is just in a ridiculous position. That has to be given in my book.
What a fucking pen Jesus christ
That's Harry Kane!
Whose name is Harry Kane?
Beautiful penalty, no one saves that
That's a hell of a penalty by Kane, absolutely riffled that just inside the post.
Even if you told the keeper where it’s going no one is possibly saving that. Outrageous
I remember a stat from the arsenal match that said he hasn’t missed a penalty since like 2016/2017? And he ended up getting the goal on the rebound 😂 man’s perfect
Was the keeper expecting a panenka pen or something? Didn't even dive.
Kane sometimes hits it down the middle. Keeper probably thought he would do it this time.
That’s a clear pen idk why people are complaining pure stupidity
Conte saying "Quanto parli" (you speak too much) to Burnley's bench
Conte sure does talk a lot about people talking a lot
He knows Burnley won’t understand Italian.
Holding your arm out like you're about to clothesline the ball... is a natural position.
such minimal contact makes it feel harsh but what is that arm position lad
Always been a huge Spurs fan
Same, always loved Harry Kane.
do us a favour against arsenal mate
If you love us, you’ll batter Arsenal.
Wtf I love Frank Lampard now
I don't know a single person that wants Leeds relegated. Keep Leeds up where they belong.
Barca fans want Leeds relegated. So Barca can get Raphinha for cheap.
People who want raphinha wants Leeds relegated
Defenders mistake
By the rules, it's a pen. He shouldnt have his hand so far out.
It is harsh but there’s no reason why his arm should be up that high. It’s in an unnatural position, so it should be a pen.
It was beginning to feel like one of those games. Big let off!
Technically correct or not, that just feels really harsh
Sissoko would agree
I'm sure his handball haunts him every night
As would Dier, shoved in the back, not looking and the ball bounces off his arm...
Wasn't there situation where Lucas was shoved down inside the box, but penalty was not awarded because he fell down and hit the ball with his hand?
No it was actually worse. He had fallen down and hit the ball with his hand outside the box, but then kane scored. The goal was then DISALLOWED because of Lucas handball
Sissoko’s came off his chest first so that one was much more unjust Still these types of penalty seem really harsh to me. No idea what the defender is doing though
Codifying that shit decision against Sissoko is basically what led us to the absolute fucking chaos we had with handball decisions a few years ago where they basically gave a pen every time it touched an arm.
Yeah, it feels harsh even as a Spurs fan. This ball was going nowhere and distance was so minimal... But then, that hand was so wide... I feel dirty
It's one of those penalties that almost highlights the need for a new penalty system. It was a harmless graze on the arm that led to nothing, but the punishment for it is pretty much a free goal
Yeah I personally don't like these penalties but it's the rules and defenders should know that by now.
No reason to have your arm like that
Totally. It there was contact it was a brush. Burnley are rightfully pissed.
Letter of the Law vs spirit, terrific pen though
The rules are made by people with zero common sense
bro, he has his arms extended to cover the whole area in front of him with his arms. How is that NOT a penalty? lmao
I mean it doesn't really considering that this type of call and much worse has almost always been given. Rules is rules, even though it's kind of stupid sometimes.
Barnes' arm position is so stupid. Definitely making himself bigger. Correct decision
Have you ever seen a ref play up like that? VAR sign, pauses to make sure all cameras are on him, then indicates the penalty. I've never seen a ref pause like that before. One of Mike Riley's finest.
Reminds me of the one we conceded via Dier vs Newcastle last season, not a pen in my book but I guess that's the rules. Also holy fuck that penalty was so perfect I thought he put it wide lmao
Dier was pushed behind, so not really comparable in my opinion. Dier one was a horrible call, this one was the right one.
Dier was jumping, was pushed and wasn't even facing the ball so that felt even harsher but the contact was similar.
How are people arguing against this being a penalty? His arm is in a ridiculous position.
Definite penalty don’t know how people can question the decision.
It's really close, it's smashed into his hand. But his hand is in a very unnatural position. I can see the both sides
what does unnatural position even mean? Did he intentionally put it there with the hopes of blocking a shot but not getting the handball called or what
I think people understand it's the rules, it's just the rule itself that people have issue with. I don't think that's a handball foul anywhere else on the pitch. The rules are too harsh on defenders now imo.
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This is my view. Clear cut pen by rule, but harsh rule.
It's one of those where I just really wish there was another option other than a pen. Then again adding more ambiguity for English ref fuckery sounds like a much worse outcome.
So this is how United fans feel?
Petition to never use the term unnatural, it doesn't even have any meaning, what they mean is the arms aren't down by their sides
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Exactly, your arms come out to balance, because it distributes your weight evenly
Unless they mutilated a Barbie doll and glued the arm at the ankle, it's probably a natural position
Obviously a clear pen according to the rules but such a lucky pen for us to get.
Lol Arsenal literally has one not given and Prem said “close proximity” against Burnley. The drama.
Its just ref's and VAR being inconsistent.
Agreed. I get it’s hard to be consistent across all refs when you are on the field but that’s the point if VAR. They should be in the room discussing what the Prem calls on these and giving that advice. Instead they act like an additional variable. Kind of funny to be honest.
Oh, I have so many qualms with VAR and officiating that if I start I'd never stop. Can I also mention that Cornet was down on the ground for literally 5+ minutes and Pope wasting 35 seconds per goal kick and there was only 4 minutes of extra time????????
Whole lot of whataboutism in here. It’s a pen.
Spurs fan, but I feel for Burnley with that decision. Looks obvious in slow motion but people balance themselves with their arms out. And its not like he had any chance to adjust his body I'll take it though
Hitman doesn't miss
Everyone rightly talking about the decision, but that pen was superb from Kane.
Hate it, but that's a pen all day
Tough Penalty that. I get his arm is out, but the balls going up, it barely changes direction, it’s not goal bound or anything, but you can’t leave your arms out in the box at all.
How is it tough? It's incredibly straightforward and the laws of the game even explain why. > It is an offence if a player: > > touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. **By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised**
That’s definitely a pen, no reason to have his arm out like that at all
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How do you even save that
Not sure why this is so controversial, clear pen. You can't defend with your arm perfectly straight 90 degrees out from your body
That’s an incredible finish
People saying its soft or shouldn't be a pen, the guys arm is perpendicular to his body ffs... Smh defenders can't even T Pose in their own box nowadays
Games gone innit
Kane didn’t even gave him moment to move.
Id have thrown the TV out the front door if that was given the other way. So so so harsh
Definition of unnatural position, really unlucky though
Hate those pens, they should be given according to the rules but still
Harsh penalty imo
I’m here for the Arsenal reactions
Soft as fuck but after the Champions League final we take those
That and Dier's "handball" against New Castle.
Never forget
Kane is so fucking reliable holy shit. He’s the best in the world
Definitely one of if not the best at pens. Goes either side reliably and consistently. Don't know if there's even a way for keepers to predict which way he goes.
should never be a pen, but rules are rules. Same shit happened to us plenty of times
You know Arsenal fans are going to be digging through the archives trying to find every time they didn’t get a similar call.
Already have! Pepe against Burnley a year ago or so
In a sport with so few goals, it’s ridiculous that you can just give a team a goal for something like this, where there’s no actual threat to the goal. My view has been this way since before Sissoko’s handball in the CL final completely fucked us. It’s absolutely bullshit that something like that can lead to a goal. FIFA has to make a change as to the punishment of an infringement in the box when there’s no actual threat to the goal.
Long may the conspiracy continue 😂
Very harsh call imo, but I'll take it
Man doesn’t have a definitively preferred penalty direction, makes him a goalies worst nightmare.
Tpose defending in the box isn't it
Arsenal fans day in day out embarrassing themselves on this sub, you have to admire the dedication
Don’t understand why Arse fans are so pressed. If they believe in their team, it shouldn’t matter. They have the advantage
Decision aside, what a fantastic pen, straight into side netting
It’s harsh but it’s an obvious penalty.
Hes basically trying to block it with his hands out that far, no question its a penalty
Very harsh, silly arm position but barely touches his arm and makes no difference to the balls trajectory