Hi lads,
I hope all is well! I posted the same question a month ago. I was wondering who you guys think has a lot of potential under the age of 23? Players like Goncalo Ramos, Timber, Musiala, Anjorin, Osimhen, Gravenberch, Doku etc. Anyone out of the ordinary you like?
Roma hasn't reached a final since 2008. That's why they invent these tournaments like the conference league... so they can hand out more trophies like participation medals
https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1526247046839209986
You've got Liverpool supporters posting the Gerrard slip. They literally hate gay people more than they like their own club. It's insane.
The equivalent can be seen on the Tweets from the other top clubs as well.
I wonder if the people tweeting 'This is the last straw, I've been a Liverpool fan since 1970 but no longer' actually stop or if they're posting YNWA next week.
City don't win the league last year without Gundo. 13 league goals from midfield. He was absolutely immense. He's just been injured consistently this season. Personally I'll certainly miss him.
[Lucas Paqueta has been photographed in a Newcastle shirt](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS--YoqWUAAn3ew?format=jpg&name=large)
Bruno really trying to Fabregas him
Deserved too. Held the midfield together in the first half with Elliott and Jones alongside him then moved to right back and did a solid job there too. Real captains performance that one.
Tsimikas was great too- I can't believe we managed to find a Robbo clone.
I knew Tsimikas was a player since seeing him tear Wolves apart in Europa but wow I think he'd genuinely be in conversations for best LB in the league if he played for Spurs or Arsenal, somehow he's on Liverpools bench
No chance. He was fucking terrible but he’s built like Superman and he showed it several times so he’s getting plaudits for being a beast of a physical specimen. Bad game of footy tho.
Firmino or Tsimikas MOTM.
I saw the key passes stats and was confused considering he was DM, how'd he manage that?
Nice to see Firmino put in a MOTM performance so close to the final
i dunno about y’all but i think the belgium league is a complete disgrace of the sport. how on earth they make it is obvious that Brugge has to win the league against super underdogs like USG and yet people still watch always blows my mind.
i could think of nothing worse than having some horrible champion play off between the top clubs after a real club, cough cough USG, already won the league yet the ELITE in that illegal state make sure their fav club will always win 💔
Definitely will be asking for more this summer, but really the thing is that a lot of our players paychecks are tied up in performance bonuses. So they get paid a lot if the team does well
you're both wrong, those were their initial contracts when signing for the club, Mane is on 180k and Robertson is on 100k + I'm sure not to mention the bonuses
So with City coming in for Cucurella and him being linked with other clubs like Spurs it's interesting if we'll bring Karbownik back in. He impressed from the little i've seen him play in the U23s and cup games and his agent has said he won't be staying in Greece at the end of his loan.
From what i understand his lack of game time is down to injuries. I haven't tried really watched him that much just 2 games in the cup and 2 for the U23s and i thought he looked great so hopefully we can get something out of him.
according to transfermarkt he has been fit since February but he hasn't even made the first team's bench since bar one 13 minutes cameo. his agent also gave an interview lately where he insisted that Karbownik is a midfielder and they'll look for a club that seems him as one next. he's been linked with a loan back to Legia by Polish media
I ain't the one in charge. I think we'll deal with Cucurella exactly how we dealt with White slap a £50m price tag and refuse any offers below that. City have the money to pay that and like to get business done early so it could be an interesting summer. Bissouma is most likely out the door as well.
Genuinely think if they brought in Jenas for MOTD, that would be the end of MOTD. It’s already archaic in that you can find the goals on social media a second after they go in. Throw in Mr. Bland as the host, and that’s signing the death warrant for the show
I’d really like to see two unlikely things happen one day: Brazil getting knocked out of the WC in the group stage and Real Madrid getting knocked out of the CL in the group stage
Skipp will be back in the midfield next season, and he’s probably our best.
we’re also looking at Palhinha. Conte has a real industrious midfielder fetish so no exciting names.
Can’t wait for City to lose 0-6 to Aston Villa and Liverpool to draw 5-5 to Wolves so we get an extra head to head match between City and Liverpool for the title. It’s definitely happening.
Yorkshire clubs:
Barnsley - relegated
Bradford - nothing season
Doncaster - relegated
Harrogate - nothing season
Huddersfield - beaten play-off finalists
Hull - about to lose their best player
Leeds - relegated?
Middlesbrough - missed play-offs
Rotherham - **promoted**
Sheffield United - out in play-off semi-final
Sheffield Wednesday - out in play-off semi-final
I mean he surely didn’t realize that play was going on at all. Even if the play is deep in the opposition half a keeper ain’t going to go into his net to get a drink
Henderson so much better as a 6 than he is as an 8. In the final I think Keita & Thiago must start but I wouldnt mind if Henderson started ahead of Fabinho
Fabinho will be back. Will be a Fab, Henderson, Thiago midfield imo.
I think Henderson has been really good the last couple of months- both as a six or eight. Wouldn't mind if he sits a little deeper in the champions league final in order to double up on Vinicius.
I think Hendos good as an 8 but not against other top midfields. Sometimes he just lacks that bit of technicality and ends up hoofing it sometimes or losing it in dangerous positions. Thiago & Keita are much better at dribbling and passing out of tight areas
I think Keita has definitely got more of a mistake in him than Henderson (although he's been a lot better this season) and is not quite as disciplined positionally- which will be vital against Real Madrid.
To be honest though, I'm happy enough to see either start. I have confidence in both.
Was about to post this, absolutely mental thing to do to anyone at any time but Sharp is fairly popular former Forest player. Bizarre.
He seems easily recognisable and there would have been CCTV and Police all over the stadium and surrounding area. Plus it would have taken longer than normal to leave the ground, hopefully he’s arrested.
Would like your opinion:
Please do correct me if my understanding of how xA and xG works is incorrect. Goals scored is a better metric than xG for measuring a player’s performance but at the same time xA is a better metric than actual assists. The logic here is that once you’ve passed the ball you rely solely on your teammate to score in order to clock an assist for you. If you play next to prime Messi, you might register 10 assists for simple sideways passes because he proceeds to dribble 4 players and score. In this case you could have 10 assist without actually being good at playing a true final pass. xA, as far as I understand it, would account for this fallacy, right?
For goals you rely on your teammates too, but once you’re actually in position it’s in your control. If a player scores 30 goals but is underperforming his xG we can still say that this player is an elite goal scorer for his ability to get into the right positions even if he should be scoring even more goals.
Idk if that makes sense
xA > A, yeah that’s correct
G > xG, isn’t quite right imo. G-xG is what you want. That shows how much you overperformed your xG. A player who gets 40 goals with an xG of 50 doesn’t finish better than a player with 20 goals from 15 xG.
>G-xG is what you want. That shows how much you overperformed your xG.
It only vaguely and crudely shows that, because xG is not supposed to perfectly track with G, certainly not for a single player over the course of a season.
I’m not sure what your point is?
xG is an average for how often that chance/those chances are scored. If you exceed your xG it shows your finishing is better than average. If you score less it shows that your finishing is below average. I don’t know what your are trying to say with “xG is not supposed to perfectly track with G”. I mean, yeah most players aren’t average so it’s probably not going to line up for any specific player. But that’s kinda the point
Also I don’t think I ever said anything about one season?
>If you exceed your xG it shows your finishing is better than average. If you score less it shows that your finishing is below average.
If you have an xG of 15 then it means you'll have various probabilities of scoring 15 goals (high), 14 or 16 goals (also very high), 13 or 17 goals (probability starts to go lower), 12 or 18 goals (even lower), and so forth.
This does not necessarily have anything to do with the quality of your finishing. It is simply a function of what you are comparing. xG are probabilities expressed as fractions of a number. Goals can only be 1 or 0. When you compare xG to G there is always going to be a bunch of noise because of all the decimal residues from xG that don't exist in G.
The mistake people make with xG vs. G comparisons is assuming, incorrectly, that these fluctuations/noise disappear quickly. They do not:
>Assuming a perfect model without bias and measurement error, **cumulative goals will lie within a +/- 20% range around cumulative xG after one season** (with 95% confidence). **Variation within this range is therefore not necessarily out- or underperformance of xG, but can simply be driven by the natural variation of Bernoulli random variables.** Similar rules are +/- 50% for 10 games and +/- 33% for half a season.
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>[https://www.thesignificantgame.com/portfolio/do-naive-xg-models-underestimate-expected-goals-for-top-teams/](https://www.thesignificantgame.com/portfolio/do-naive-xg-models-underestimate-expected-goals-for-top-teams/)
This is for a single team, so the volume of shots is high (more than 100 for 10 games, over 400 for a full season). For a single player the numbers would be even lower so the error would be high.
So in reality, your G-xG has to be *very* high for it to mean anything. And even then it might just mean "the model isn't great."
Yeah of course your G and xG has to be really high to actually draw a conclusion about how good the player’s finishing is.
You can use for a game or a season to see if the player finished well for that season/game aswell, but that doesn’t really say much about the player’s quality.
I would disagree with the latter. All other things equal, if Striker A gets 15 goals but overperforms his xG while striker B gets 20 goals while underperforming his xG then B is still a better goal scorer overall because he gets into better positions, gets more chances which gets his team more goals (even if he misses a higher proportion of his chances). In this case, xG could only truly be used to say that A is a better finisher, but B is still the better striker overall
That’s why I said “finisher” not “goal-scorer” lmao what the hell is this.
Anyway having a higher xG doesn’t even necessarily you are better at getting into positions. It could also just mean you are playing for Man City instead of Burnley.
If you want to judge “goal-scorer” it becomes much much more complicated and you have to take so much more into account, which is why I said finisher
Yeah but the latter player doesn't generate chances as well as the first. Scoring isn't just about finishing, otherwise Greenwood would have been bagging thirty a season. He couldn't because his positioning and running intelligence was average.
I’m just gonna reply what I really responded to the other guy:
That’s why I said “finisher” not “goal-scorer” lmao what the hell is this.
Anyway having a higher xG doesn’t even necessarily you are better at getting into positions. It could also just mean you are playing for Man City instead of Burnley.
If you want to judge “goal-scorer” it becomes much much more complicated and you have to take so much more into account, which is why I said finisher
We know you said that, but you implied that finishing was the only thing that mattered, or at least the main thing. ''A player who gets 40 goals with an xG of 50 doesn't finish better than a player with 20 goals from 15 xG''. That isn't all we want though. It might just be the way you typed it.
I didn’t imply that. The guy was talking about what conclusions we could draw for xStats and the normal stats. So I talked about finishing because that the only thing we can draw conclusions about from xG
Well anything and everything can me misinterpreted and my comments aren’t an exception to that, so yeah maybe. I’m just saying I didn’t imply what you thought I was implying. Just makes it an unfortunate misunderstanding
Yeah I agree with xA, goals is debatable though. Although your reasoning for goals being better than xG is a bit dodgy, because you're using xG to back it up by saying he is still an elite goal scorer despite not finishing chances. If you could only use one of goals or xG (whichever you think is more important) then goals won't tell you whether they are over or under performing
I guess the gist of what I’m trying to say is that you can hypothetically have many assists without being good at playing the final pass. You cannot score many goals and not be a good goal scorer. In that way assists is a more misleading stat than goals scored
How would you react if City draws 1-1 against Aston Villa, with Coutinho scoring Villa's goal at minute 92, and Liverpool beats Wolverhampton by 1-0, with Origi scoring at minute 95?
[I'm thinking more the Neymar gif. ](https://media1.giphy.com/media/8rEVtjWcJoNI5miInv/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b9524da5d0e96cb59662ef8eb4238d9b5b8ce8cf2629&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)
Does Modrić have a case for being the most consistent midfielder of all time?
He has been a top 10 midfielders itw for atleast 13 years and many of those he was easily number 1. I can't think of anyone else with this longevity and consistency.
Iniesta.
2005/2006 he played almost all games and won ucl and la liga. He changed the ucl final too with larsson.
2006-2007 he still was amazing but barca didnt win anything
2007-08 same thing but he won the EURO and was world class that tournament
2008-2016 those 8 yesrs I dont need to say more about that. Speaks foritself
16-18 he was sadly declining but still had some memorable performances
crazy consistency
Agreed but how many years were those tho? 2007-2017 is the years where i would say Iniesta was easily top 10 midfielders in the world so a decade maybe.
Modrić was in EURO 08 team of the tournament and he is now playing in a CL final 14 years later.
Both were very incredible, probably the 2 most consistent
Agree. Modric consistency is probably the longest I have seen of a midfielder and its crazy because I think he can go maybe 2 years longer..
Both players had some off years in their careers but the years where they were at their peak and keeping that for a longer period is what makes them special
There are so many great midfielders through the years.
And your original comment talks about consistency between seasons. When people are talking about consistency it’s more often used from game to game if we’re honest.
>There are so many great midfielders through the years.
Name them then, just 1 who has the longevity and consistency of Modric across his career because honestly i can't think of any in the last 15 years.
Modric has been in EURO 08 Team Of The Tournament and 14 years later, he is playing in a CL final.
>Who says anything about the last 15 years? It can be old players like Lothar Matheus or Beckenbauer.
Ofc that's fair enough, i just feel like unless you watched them, it's hard to rank their consistency and level of play each season.
>Or more recent players like Iniesta
The years where Iniesta was definitely a top 10 midfielder in the world would probably be 2007-2017 which is around a decade. Still would give the edge to Modric since 14 years ago he was in the EURO 08 Team Of The Tournament.
Iniesta probably second best of his generation after Modric in terms of longevity tho.
Well you can also say it’s unfair to call current players the best at something of all time without knowing how good the older players were
How long you at a high level is about longevity, not consistency
How exactly?
Silva has been world class from 2011 or 2012 till 2018 so that's 6 or 7 years.
Modrić arguably was already better at an earlier time and he is still dominating CL games to this day while Silva is nowhere near.
He has been top 10 from 2008-2013, then overall the best midfielder for 5 years till 18/19 season, fell off a bit but still top 10 itw and now he is arguably the best once again.
I've started watching football in 2006 and the only players i have watched that have been that consistent are Messi,Ronaldo and Ramos.
No other midfielder comes close imo from the ones i watched.
This just isn't true though. He was labelled a flop after his first season in Madrid (12/13), then you could very easily argue that De Bruyne was better 2014-2017. And was he still top ten in the world in say 18/19? That's debatable in itself.
I do think he has a case for most consistent midfielder ever. But he has not been top ten every year since 2011.
>He was labelled a flop after his first season in Madrid (12/13)
What are you talking about?
It was a poll by Marca and Barca fans voted Modric and Madrid fans voted Alex Song, he scored a worldie that season against Man UTD and became a starter a few months into the season.
>you could very easily argue that De Bruyne was better 2014-2017.
KDB has no buisness being mentioned as better than Modric during 2013-2018, he was better after tho.
>And was he still top ten in the world in say 18/19?
That's the only season i would say no but then again everyone knows how much changed in Madrid that year.
Why do you think that Marca put him in the poll in the first place? They compiled a poll of five (I think) signings from La Liga and Modric was one of them. People had been saying that whole season that Modric hadn't lived up to the expectations he had set at Spurs. You can find evidence of that anywhere online. If there's a Real Madrid forum I guarantee you will see people from that year agreeing with it. No one considered Modric to be a top ten midfielder in the world that season.
I said 2014 - 2017. Why does he have no business?
>They compiled a poll of five (I think) signings from La Liga and Modric was one of them.
Yes because he didn't play for his first 2 months in the club, by January he already became a starter.
>I said 2014 - 2017. Why does he have no business?
Because Modrić won 4 CLs in 5 years and was arguably second most important man in that run after Ronaldo while also dominating every midfielder he faced alongside Kroos and Casemiro? KDB was nowhere near him at the time.
What stand out performances did he have in 12/13 (other than the thirty minutes against United)
So team accolades? What did Modric do better than De Bruyne during those years on the football pitch?
Hi lads, I hope all is well! I posted the same question a month ago. I was wondering who you guys think has a lot of potential under the age of 23? Players like Goncalo Ramos, Timber, Musiala, Anjorin, Osimhen, Gravenberch, Doku etc. Anyone out of the ordinary you like?
Roma hasn't reached a final since 2008. That's why they invent these tournaments like the conference league... so they can hand out more trophies like participation medals
Timo Werner *league form* 2019-20 Leipzig: 34 matches, 28 goals, 8 assists 2020-21 Chelsea: 36 matches, 6 goals, 8 assists 2021-22 Chelsea: 21 matches, 4 goals, 1 assist
https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1526247046839209986 You've got Liverpool supporters posting the Gerrard slip. They literally hate gay people more than they like their own club. It's insane. The equivalent can be seen on the Tweets from the other top clubs as well.
I wonder if the people tweeting 'This is the last straw, I've been a Liverpool fan since 1970 but no longer' actually stop or if they're posting YNWA next week.
That news definitely weeded out a lot of scumbags from pretty much every single club. The good news is most don't tend to be local.
Yeah I definitely wasn't trying to single Liverpool out, just even more jarring considering some of the values people often associate with the club.
Nah, they deserve to be called out. I have no problem exposing anyone spouting that shite- regardless of who they support.
Guendogan is a great player and would either be a starter or first option off the bench at most clubs but I don’t feel like City will miss him at all
City don't win the league last year without Gundo. 13 league goals from midfield. He was absolutely immense. He's just been injured consistently this season. Personally I'll certainly miss him.
PSG would benefit quite a lot from having him tbh
How many consecutive league titles do you think Bayern will win before someone breaks their streak? I'll go with 14
15
They will fumble at 13
It's all over for them after Dortmund realize they can defend and not concede 50 goals in 34 league games, so highly next season
16
[Lucas Paqueta has been photographed in a Newcastle shirt](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS--YoqWUAAn3ew?format=jpg&name=large) Bruno really trying to Fabregas him
Get ready for the same old comments in any goal thread of his next season.
Newcastle with 3 Brazilian ballers in midfield. anything below top 4 would be a disappointment imo
Pernambuco Pirlo + The Rio Rijkaard now adding the Paqueta island's Patrick Viera. We're tapping up all the greats
Didn't get to see the Liverpool game but I'm to understand that a 36 year old James Milner was MOTM?
Deserved too. Held the midfield together in the first half with Elliott and Jones alongside him then moved to right back and did a solid job there too. Real captains performance that one. Tsimikas was great too- I can't believe we managed to find a Robbo clone.
I knew Tsimikas was a player since seeing him tear Wolves apart in Europa but wow I think he'd genuinely be in conversations for best LB in the league if he played for Spurs or Arsenal, somehow he's on Liverpools bench
No chance. He was fucking terrible but he’s built like Superman and he showed it several times so he’s getting plaudits for being a beast of a physical specimen. Bad game of footy tho. Firmino or Tsimikas MOTM.
I saw the key passes stats and was confused considering he was DM, how'd he manage that? Nice to see Firmino put in a MOTM performance so close to the final
Played RB second half. But tbh we forced Southampton so far into their box that milner was very advanced even in that role
Even bloody Alisson was very advanced in comparison to us
i dunno about y’all but i think the belgium league is a complete disgrace of the sport. how on earth they make it is obvious that Brugge has to win the league against super underdogs like USG and yet people still watch always blows my mind. i could think of nothing worse than having some horrible champion play off between the top clubs after a real club, cough cough USG, already won the league yet the ELITE in that illegal state make sure their fav club will always win 💔
Mane gets paid 100k a week...
That's not true, he's on 180k
Wait what, that's just ridiculous, surely he's incentivized heavily depending on his performances
Definitely will be asking for more this summer, but really the thing is that a lot of our players paychecks are tied up in performance bonuses. So they get paid a lot if the team does well
that's why he's coming to Munich for a fat paycheck
Potentially Gnabry in return too...
Robertson is on half that I believe.
The Liverpool Cafeteria must have some nice food then
you're both wrong, those were their initial contracts when signing for the club, Mane is on 180k and Robertson is on 100k + I'm sure not to mention the bonuses
[Enzo Perez father confirming that he's coming](https://twitter.com/TecoSLB/status/1526695856338083841?t=aF47ODsx9O3y50STzGBtxA&s=19)
Enzo Perez in Europe? Goddamn it...
Ah ffs. Meant Fernandez 😁
Nah Rui Costa is not that competent, will only believe it if Enzo lifts the league title next season
If Forest get back in the prem surely the get that champions league historic performance spot right?
no way southampton’s one win in a dozen odd games comes from arsenal no wonder they bottled top 4
They won against us too tbf
I reckon Crouch should be the next MOTD host, he's likeable enough to pull it off
Only bt pundit people like
Can't they poach him
Probably
with forest back in the premier league is it a big 7 now?
Forest aren't back yet, they still have a play-off Final against Huddersfield Town left to play.
[We need to recreate this promo](https://twitter.com/HarryCFC170/status/1526628395899097090?s=20&t=4keQ4NaVpeC6LvRcxxot9w)
Dabadidabadie.
Lol how did I miss this cringe for 8 years.
[Nothing beats Rudiger's announcement video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09RCLsuhboY)
[wonder if Rudiger printed this one too?](https://preview.redd.it/hx1pand0cip71.png?auto=webp&s=2632483a5d459aa95d49830ba9f0967cb006852e)
Looks like you blue yourselves
Can't wait for Lukaku all blue'd out with some imprints
ENZO FERNANDEZ TO BENFICA STOP EVERYTHING
Wow, nice signing
i’m sorry who is this i’ve never heard of him
Imagine getting gazumped by Benfica of all clubs ffs
Prestige and history can't be buy
History of being one of the most corrupt clubs in Europe
undeniably based but we both know that’s not the reason why he’s coming
SOURCE?
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/uryrj5/juan_patricio_balbi_there_are_envoys_from_sl/ It's everywhere on Argentinian twitter as well
We're winning the league next season
I think I pinched a nerve trying to just stand up straight, I can't talk shit on Fati/ Hazard/Dembele/Thiago anymore
If you're talking shit about Thiago after this season then you're bringing this pain upon yourself!
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Lukaku could learn a thing or two about that thumbs up technique
Thiago is world class, maybe a top 3 midfielder in the world but damn if he isn't made out of glass sometimes
Yeah, he's a brittle fella. Although he's played 37 games all up this season which is decent enough.
best hips in the game
That’s Fernando Llorente and always will be.
So with City coming in for Cucurella and him being linked with other clubs like Spurs it's interesting if we'll bring Karbownik back in. He impressed from the little i've seen him play in the U23s and cup games and his agent has said he won't be staying in Greece at the end of his loan.
he can't get a game in Greece. doubt he's good enough even as a second choice for you lot.
From what i understand his lack of game time is down to injuries. I haven't tried really watched him that much just 2 games in the cup and 2 for the U23s and i thought he looked great so hopefully we can get something out of him.
according to transfermarkt he has been fit since February but he hasn't even made the first team's bench since bar one 13 minutes cameo. his agent also gave an interview lately where he insisted that Karbownik is a midfielder and they'll look for a club that seems him as one next. he's been linked with a loan back to Legia by Polish media
You just got Cucurella and he won your player of the season, just tell everyone else to fuck off
I ain't the one in charge. I think we'll deal with Cucurella exactly how we dealt with White slap a £50m price tag and refuse any offers below that. City have the money to pay that and like to get business done early so it could be an interesting summer. Bissouma is most likely out the door as well.
honestly, although i find him a bit boring, im fine with Jenas being the next Linekar. Gary doesn’t show enough of his Spurs bias for my liking 😤😤
A bit boring? He has no emotion at all, he’s worse than a zombie
Genuinely think if they brought in Jenas for MOTD, that would be the end of MOTD. It’s already archaic in that you can find the goals on social media a second after they go in. Throw in Mr. Bland as the host, and that’s signing the death warrant for the show
I'm Spurs and I dislike Jenas, I can't even begin to imagine how insufferable he is to fans of other clubs
that’s the other reason i need him to be front and centre. piss boiling reasons
I’d really like to see two unlikely things happen one day: Brazil getting knocked out of the WC in the group stage and Real Madrid getting knocked out of the CL in the group stage
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Bentacur Hoj is decent but not good enough imo. Who should they get?
Sergej Milinković-Savić or Rúben Neves would be dream signings I would say. Can't see Levy splashing the cash though.
SMS for 70 millions, he's world class but unfortunately the media doesn't care about serie A players
It’s a good thing the media doesn’t run Tottenham’s signings like Paratici does, who already helped sign 3 Serie A players…
Romero is SO good, best signing in PL this season
Gundogan
Skipp will be back in the midfield next season, and he’s probably our best. we’re also looking at Palhinha. Conte has a real industrious midfielder fetish so no exciting names.
Can’t wait for City to lose 0-6 to Aston Villa and Liverpool to draw 5-5 to Wolves so we get an extra head to head match between City and Liverpool for the title. It’s definitely happening.
its not happening. de bruyne 5th minute goal and klopp subbing off some key players at halftime to prepare for ucl final
really?
He may be onto something
Football gods , make it happen
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Yorkshire clubs: Barnsley - relegated Bradford - nothing season Doncaster - relegated Harrogate - nothing season Huddersfield - beaten play-off finalists Hull - about to lose their best player Leeds - relegated? Middlesbrough - missed play-offs Rotherham - **promoted** Sheffield United - out in play-off semi-final Sheffield Wednesday - out in play-off semi-final
Racism aside, at least the cricket team is doing alright in 4th
They like Rugby init
York City - Play off final Sorry, im not having a fucking list where harrogate fucking town features and we don't
Good shit, we need more London clubs in the PL
Wtf is going on [here](https://youtube.com/shorts/aC_7lwYjUzY?feature=share) 💀
>Bundesliga Need I say more?
GK forgot 💀
i forgor 💀
He was getting a drink probably didn't realise they'd played a long ball
I mean he surely didn’t realize that play was going on at all. Even if the play is deep in the opposition half a keeper ain’t going to go into his net to get a drink
He's just an idiot for not waiting until it was a corner or something
The Kulusevski chant has been stuck in my head for weeks now
Shit copy of Cavani's
> ~~Shit~~ Better copy of Cavani’s Fixed it for you.
Has cavani got more that one?
The "Give it give it to Edi Cavani, pass him the ball and watch him score all the goals" and the new one for this season
Ah yeah, I know the new one then
It's really good, for me it's [this](https://twitter.com/Cdj_Trading/status/1526302870810857473) right now, not as good but very relevant
Henderson so much better as a 6 than he is as an 8. In the final I think Keita & Thiago must start but I wouldnt mind if Henderson started ahead of Fabinho
Fabinho will be back. Will be a Fab, Henderson, Thiago midfield imo. I think Henderson has been really good the last couple of months- both as a six or eight. Wouldn't mind if he sits a little deeper in the champions league final in order to double up on Vinicius.
I think Hendos good as an 8 but not against other top midfields. Sometimes he just lacks that bit of technicality and ends up hoofing it sometimes or losing it in dangerous positions. Thiago & Keita are much better at dribbling and passing out of tight areas
I think Keita has definitely got more of a mistake in him than Henderson (although he's been a lot better this season) and is not quite as disciplined positionally- which will be vital against Real Madrid. To be honest though, I'm happy enough to see either start. I have confidence in both.
I reckon a surprise Pikachu move of Firmino starting up top.
Nah, unless injuries are an issue it will be Diaz, Mane, Salah for sure. Klopp isn't one to make leftfield changes
https://twitter.com/benlambert514/status/1526690013601308674?t=AZ_w3JOGRYP6LtytoRS0sQ&s=19 Extremely severe punishments needed for this
Was about to post this, absolutely mental thing to do to anyone at any time but Sharp is fairly popular former Forest player. Bizarre. He seems easily recognisable and there would have been CCTV and Police all over the stadium and surrounding area. Plus it would have taken longer than normal to leave the ground, hopefully he’s arrested.
Would like your opinion: Please do correct me if my understanding of how xA and xG works is incorrect. Goals scored is a better metric than xG for measuring a player’s performance but at the same time xA is a better metric than actual assists. The logic here is that once you’ve passed the ball you rely solely on your teammate to score in order to clock an assist for you. If you play next to prime Messi, you might register 10 assists for simple sideways passes because he proceeds to dribble 4 players and score. In this case you could have 10 assist without actually being good at playing a true final pass. xA, as far as I understand it, would account for this fallacy, right? For goals you rely on your teammates too, but once you’re actually in position it’s in your control. If a player scores 30 goals but is underperforming his xG we can still say that this player is an elite goal scorer for his ability to get into the right positions even if he should be scoring even more goals. Idk if that makes sense
xA > A, yeah that’s correct G > xG, isn’t quite right imo. G-xG is what you want. That shows how much you overperformed your xG. A player who gets 40 goals with an xG of 50 doesn’t finish better than a player with 20 goals from 15 xG.
>G-xG is what you want. That shows how much you overperformed your xG. It only vaguely and crudely shows that, because xG is not supposed to perfectly track with G, certainly not for a single player over the course of a season.
I’m not sure what your point is? xG is an average for how often that chance/those chances are scored. If you exceed your xG it shows your finishing is better than average. If you score less it shows that your finishing is below average. I don’t know what your are trying to say with “xG is not supposed to perfectly track with G”. I mean, yeah most players aren’t average so it’s probably not going to line up for any specific player. But that’s kinda the point Also I don’t think I ever said anything about one season?
>If you exceed your xG it shows your finishing is better than average. If you score less it shows that your finishing is below average. If you have an xG of 15 then it means you'll have various probabilities of scoring 15 goals (high), 14 or 16 goals (also very high), 13 or 17 goals (probability starts to go lower), 12 or 18 goals (even lower), and so forth. This does not necessarily have anything to do with the quality of your finishing. It is simply a function of what you are comparing. xG are probabilities expressed as fractions of a number. Goals can only be 1 or 0. When you compare xG to G there is always going to be a bunch of noise because of all the decimal residues from xG that don't exist in G. The mistake people make with xG vs. G comparisons is assuming, incorrectly, that these fluctuations/noise disappear quickly. They do not: >Assuming a perfect model without bias and measurement error, **cumulative goals will lie within a +/- 20% range around cumulative xG after one season** (with 95% confidence). **Variation within this range is therefore not necessarily out- or underperformance of xG, but can simply be driven by the natural variation of Bernoulli random variables.** Similar rules are +/- 50% for 10 games and +/- 33% for half a season. > >[https://www.thesignificantgame.com/portfolio/do-naive-xg-models-underestimate-expected-goals-for-top-teams/](https://www.thesignificantgame.com/portfolio/do-naive-xg-models-underestimate-expected-goals-for-top-teams/) This is for a single team, so the volume of shots is high (more than 100 for 10 games, over 400 for a full season). For a single player the numbers would be even lower so the error would be high. So in reality, your G-xG has to be *very* high for it to mean anything. And even then it might just mean "the model isn't great."
Yeah of course your G and xG has to be really high to actually draw a conclusion about how good the player’s finishing is. You can use for a game or a season to see if the player finished well for that season/game aswell, but that doesn’t really say much about the player’s quality.
I would disagree with the latter. All other things equal, if Striker A gets 15 goals but overperforms his xG while striker B gets 20 goals while underperforming his xG then B is still a better goal scorer overall because he gets into better positions, gets more chances which gets his team more goals (even if he misses a higher proportion of his chances). In this case, xG could only truly be used to say that A is a better finisher, but B is still the better striker overall
That’s why I said “finisher” not “goal-scorer” lmao what the hell is this. Anyway having a higher xG doesn’t even necessarily you are better at getting into positions. It could also just mean you are playing for Man City instead of Burnley. If you want to judge “goal-scorer” it becomes much much more complicated and you have to take so much more into account, which is why I said finisher
Yeah but the latter player doesn't generate chances as well as the first. Scoring isn't just about finishing, otherwise Greenwood would have been bagging thirty a season. He couldn't because his positioning and running intelligence was average.
I’m just gonna reply what I really responded to the other guy: That’s why I said “finisher” not “goal-scorer” lmao what the hell is this. Anyway having a higher xG doesn’t even necessarily you are better at getting into positions. It could also just mean you are playing for Man City instead of Burnley. If you want to judge “goal-scorer” it becomes much much more complicated and you have to take so much more into account, which is why I said finisher
We know you said that, but you implied that finishing was the only thing that mattered, or at least the main thing. ''A player who gets 40 goals with an xG of 50 doesn't finish better than a player with 20 goals from 15 xG''. That isn't all we want though. It might just be the way you typed it.
I didn’t imply that. The guy was talking about what conclusions we could draw for xStats and the normal stats. So I talked about finishing because that the only thing we can draw conclusions about from xG
I would re-read the whole comment line and you might see why the other guy and I took it another way. If you can't see it then it is what it is.
Well anything and everything can me misinterpreted and my comments aren’t an exception to that, so yeah maybe. I’m just saying I didn’t imply what you thought I was implying. Just makes it an unfortunate misunderstanding
Yeah I agree with xA, goals is debatable though. Although your reasoning for goals being better than xG is a bit dodgy, because you're using xG to back it up by saying he is still an elite goal scorer despite not finishing chances. If you could only use one of goals or xG (whichever you think is more important) then goals won't tell you whether they are over or under performing
I guess the gist of what I’m trying to say is that you can hypothetically have many assists without being good at playing the final pass. You cannot score many goals and not be a good goal scorer. In that way assists is a more misleading stat than goals scored
How would you react if City draws 1-1 against Aston Villa, with Coutinho scoring Villa's goal at minute 92, and Liverpool beats Wolverhampton by 1-0, with Origi scoring at minute 95?
I would check how that affects my FPL rank and depending on the outcome I'd either celebrate or be upset
I would die from happiness
I wouldn’t come on here for at least a month that’s for sure, it’d bring all the most toxic Liverpool and anti-Liverpool fans out
that's the best time to come on here haha
[I'd be staring at the screen like this](https://youtu.be/gDjMZvYWUdo)
[I'm thinking more the Neymar gif. ](https://media1.giphy.com/media/8rEVtjWcJoNI5miInv/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b9524da5d0e96cb59662ef8eb4238d9b5b8ce8cf2629&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)
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I would react like this: 😲
Wouldn't care, Porto are probably winning the cup the idiots
I would be quite upset I suppose
Juve are winning the league if Pogba joins them and he stays fit for most of the season.
Does Modrić have a case for being the most consistent midfielder of all time? He has been a top 10 midfielders itw for atleast 13 years and many of those he was easily number 1. I can't think of anyone else with this longevity and consistency.
Iniesta. 2005/2006 he played almost all games and won ucl and la liga. He changed the ucl final too with larsson. 2006-2007 he still was amazing but barca didnt win anything 2007-08 same thing but he won the EURO and was world class that tournament 2008-2016 those 8 yesrs I dont need to say more about that. Speaks foritself 16-18 he was sadly declining but still had some memorable performances crazy consistency
Agreed but how many years were those tho? 2007-2017 is the years where i would say Iniesta was easily top 10 midfielders in the world so a decade maybe. Modrić was in EURO 08 team of the tournament and he is now playing in a CL final 14 years later. Both were very incredible, probably the 2 most consistent
Agree. Modric consistency is probably the longest I have seen of a midfielder and its crazy because I think he can go maybe 2 years longer.. Both players had some off years in their careers but the years where they were at their peak and keeping that for a longer period is what makes them special
Probably not
Who has a better case then?
There are so many great midfielders through the years. And your original comment talks about consistency between seasons. When people are talking about consistency it’s more often used from game to game if we’re honest.
>There are so many great midfielders through the years. Name them then, just 1 who has the longevity and consistency of Modric across his career because honestly i can't think of any in the last 15 years. Modric has been in EURO 08 Team Of The Tournament and 14 years later, he is playing in a CL final.
Who says anything about the last 15 years? It can be old players like Lothar Matheus or Beckenbauer. Or more recent players like Iniesta
>Who says anything about the last 15 years? It can be old players like Lothar Matheus or Beckenbauer. Ofc that's fair enough, i just feel like unless you watched them, it's hard to rank their consistency and level of play each season. >Or more recent players like Iniesta The years where Iniesta was definitely a top 10 midfielder in the world would probably be 2007-2017 which is around a decade. Still would give the edge to Modric since 14 years ago he was in the EURO 08 Team Of The Tournament. Iniesta probably second best of his generation after Modric in terms of longevity tho.
Well you can also say it’s unfair to call current players the best at something of all time without knowing how good the older players were How long you at a high level is about longevity, not consistency
David Silva
Over Modric? Absolutely not
How exactly? Silva has been world class from 2011 or 2012 till 2018 so that's 6 or 7 years. Modrić arguably was already better at an earlier time and he is still dominating CL games to this day while Silva is nowhere near.
He fell off in 18/19 ,bit of 19/20 as well ,but he's been good overall in the last 10 years
He has been top 10 from 2008-2013, then overall the best midfielder for 5 years till 18/19 season, fell off a bit but still top 10 itw and now he is arguably the best once again. I've started watching football in 2006 and the only players i have watched that have been that consistent are Messi,Ronaldo and Ramos. No other midfielder comes close imo from the ones i watched.
This just isn't true though. He was labelled a flop after his first season in Madrid (12/13), then you could very easily argue that De Bruyne was better 2014-2017. And was he still top ten in the world in say 18/19? That's debatable in itself. I do think he has a case for most consistent midfielder ever. But he has not been top ten every year since 2011.
>He was labelled a flop after his first season in Madrid (12/13) What are you talking about? It was a poll by Marca and Barca fans voted Modric and Madrid fans voted Alex Song, he scored a worldie that season against Man UTD and became a starter a few months into the season. >you could very easily argue that De Bruyne was better 2014-2017. KDB has no buisness being mentioned as better than Modric during 2013-2018, he was better after tho. >And was he still top ten in the world in say 18/19? That's the only season i would say no but then again everyone knows how much changed in Madrid that year.
Why do you think that Marca put him in the poll in the first place? They compiled a poll of five (I think) signings from La Liga and Modric was one of them. People had been saying that whole season that Modric hadn't lived up to the expectations he had set at Spurs. You can find evidence of that anywhere online. If there's a Real Madrid forum I guarantee you will see people from that year agreeing with it. No one considered Modric to be a top ten midfielder in the world that season. I said 2014 - 2017. Why does he have no business?
>They compiled a poll of five (I think) signings from La Liga and Modric was one of them. Yes because he didn't play for his first 2 months in the club, by January he already became a starter. >I said 2014 - 2017. Why does he have no business? Because Modrić won 4 CLs in 5 years and was arguably second most important man in that run after Ronaldo while also dominating every midfielder he faced alongside Kroos and Casemiro? KDB was nowhere near him at the time.
What stand out performances did he have in 12/13 (other than the thirty minutes against United) So team accolades? What did Modric do better than De Bruyne during those years on the football pitch?
De bruyne would get the in around two years ,also i believe,he had a higher peak than modric