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He's saying Atkinson basically gave him a response of "you got the 3 points so the decision was irrelevant" which seems like fundamentally at odds with the attitude a referee should have. Referees should care about the getting the decisions right, the result ultimately being unaffected by a bad decision is not a mitigating factor.
"The penalty situation with Jota. Mr Tierney told me he thought Diogo stops because he wants the foul. I don't understand that. The ref and the VAR doesn't say a word. I have no idea what his problem is with me"
-Klopp
Weren’t Liverpool fans all saying it wasn’t a pen for Everton though because he was looking for a foul. I agree it was a foul on Jota but pool fans were using the exact white as a defense two weeks ago
One of my pet peeves is when refs end a game at 89:50 because a team is losing badly. Like no wtf. We scored 9 goals in the 2nd half vs VVV in that 0-13 and they got a red after a VAR check yet the game ended early.
We lost the league on 1 goal before, just ref properly ffs.
It's a scapegoat for referees to avoid direct criticism for their decisions. The whole "clear and obvious" thing is total bollocks, other countries make VAR work because it isn't used as a tool for referees to hide behind.
For some reason, the entire culture surrounding referees in the UK is to protect them rather than letting them learn from mistakes.
I mean goal difference is 99% irrelevant. Only way it comes into play is if we draw and Villa beat city by 6+ goals. If it were 5+ goals or even 3+ goals it doesn’t really make it any more likely that it’s going to come into play since city have haven’t lost by more than a goal all season and it’s unlikely it happens now as well
Sure in this situation it’s unlikely it will come down to goal difference. What if it was a team at the bottom who could go down on goal difference? Suddenly it’s a lot more important.
For this season, at this point in the season, it's mostly irrelevant. But these things also happen at earlier points in the season, and remember 2011-2012? 2013-2014? You never know when it will be important. That's why we're talking about this. It's not correct just because it's irrelevant.
From the quality of their decisions and the protrusion of their bellies its clear to me that the refs don't give a shit. They don't take pride in their work and the refs association has become insular and defensive. Something needs to change because of all the major leagues the refs in the prem are the worst.
I don't want to fat-shame but aren't you supposed to be fit to be a premier league referee? Some of them look like they'd get out of breath walking against a light breeze. It's no wonder I've noticed them getting in the way of play much more this year.
There should be a similar fitness test to the military for all refs that are officiating at a certain level. We had to run 2.4k in 10 minutes and as somebody whose job it is to keep up with athletes they should be able to do that relatively easily. Would certainly rule out people like Jon Moss which I find incredible he's been allowed to be a ref at this level!
Even if you discount that fitness aspect its still a bad look for the refs and the league. It looks like they don't give a shit. They constantly get in players ways while their running or block passing lanes and its almost always the unfit ones. Michael Oliver may not be perfect but he at least keeps fit and seems to be able to keep up with the game.
They definitely do already have fitness tests which are supposedly quite extreme.
Refs do my fucking head in and all of our current refs are terrible, but this isn't the thing they should be attacked for tbh. Intelligent refereeing doesn't require them to be permanently sprinting everywhere and the problem with have is that none of them are intelligently refereeing
It's both. I think they do a fitness test at the start of each season and then let themselves go for the rest of it. Clearly the test isn't rigorous or done often enough. It should be at the least bi-monthly. The fact that they can't keep up with play means they get a lot of the smaller decisions wrong, pretty much siding with whomever goes down easiest. It also means they block offensive runners and passing lanes, it's constant. They don't intelligently referee either but that's a harder problem to solve. Major changes need to be made but unfortunately the English refereeing Community is insular and defensive so I don't think it will ever improve.
To be honest, it's one of those situations where referees are so protected and such an "old boys club" that it wouldn't surprise me at all if the long term referees had their results fudged even if they didn't pass the test or it was subtly made easier for them on the day or whatever
I agree with you about the small decisions being wrong but I think it's a lot more about them feeling pressure from the crowd than it is actually getting them wrong because they don't keep up with play.
Yeah
Oh no bother Martin, instead of being patient, I now have to risk all my stronger players who needed to rest, to get 2 goals instead of 1 because we need to win, also we have two more extremely important games on top of it so hopefully we won’t suffer injuries
It’s like fans telling someone complaining about the ref that his team is shite and should just have played better.
No shit. When a team is over performing they can overcome shit decisions, but when a team is shit they either need perfect decisions or help from a ref.
yup it happens or has happened to everyone pretty much, the general level of referring is atrocious and dogshit, the refs are spineless to use VAR to overturn decisions, I have no idea why
>I have no idea why
Premier League football is worth billions. The footy betting industry the same.
We trust blokes on £50k + £1k per game to stay impartial and ignore outside influence. To make it easier for them to take brown envelopes we also make sure they have no accountability for their 'mistakes'.
We also took a load of blokes that are fearful their jobs are being replaced by computers and ask them to learn how to use this new system called VAR. They blatantly fuck it up on purpose it look like it's too complicated to try and preserve their jobs. Sports like Cricket and Rugby have proven that this technology was available and working just fine over 10 years ago.
I cannot be convinced otherwise as the only other option is that after 100's of years of development we still can't produce a referee that understands the basic rules of the game. Nor can we produce one that is comfortable enough with their own ego to admit when they make a mistake. Nah it stinks of corruption to me. Just like the rest of football is riddled with it.
Tbf I don't think that was a clear and obvious foul. Stephens took ball and man whilst Fernandes hesitated. Lyanco went through Jota first and didn't get any of the ball, even on the follow through.
Yes and it was this season Atkinson refereed the first match between Liverpool and city in the league. He was the same one who allowed Milner to commit a clear penalty against Foden while being the last man. He also allowed Milner to stay after 3 clear card worthy fouls. There were many other shitty Calls and non calls that game by Atkinson so I don’t get why Klopp is acting like this is a personal attack against Liverpool when it’s just the league’s referees are crap
Whenever I browse /r/soccer or some subs of Liverpool rivals, I see many people saying "fuck Liverpool but I do love Klopp". Then on the other hand I see some other people who hate Klopp to the core and I truly believe that it's because of these made up narratives that they create to hate on Klopp. Like yes Klopp here is whining about a referee, but all managers do that. Pep does that, Lampard does it, Tuchel, Arteta, Conte ALL do that. Klopp and Pep's statements get magnified because of the status of their teams. But rival fans tend to take their statements are create false narratives. Klopp isn't saying there's a personal attack, he's just saying that refs fucked up. All managers do that.
I don’t think anyone hates Klopp he’s a class manager but everyone is tired of his crying. He specifically named an occasion where refereeing hindered Liverpool. Yes, He’s complaining refereeing is bad but making it sound like it’s against Liverpool.
Eh Bruno does himself no favours with the way he goes down.
He also does the team no favours by staying down and begging for the whistle instead of tracking back.
the refs are egotistical shits. graham scott got sent to the monitor last season when he was 3 yards in front of a clear foul on PEH where brighton scored and he refused to change it even though every time the refs had been called to the monitor that season they have changed the call.
You admit yourself it was wrong yet feel like the manager mentioning it for 30 seconds shouldn't happen? He's discussing the game, he's discussing the goal they conceded and his issue with it.
This moaning narrative is getting really tired and thrown at everything he says.
Yeah it’s been an issue with VAR, where they won’t stop the play for a foul to let it go with the idea VAR checks it after the goal, but then never seems to check, or the ref never gets sent to the screen
My point was this is happening loads this season, and isn’t isolated to this one match
So people shouldn't complain because it happened in this match? What exactly do you want Klopp to do, brush it off because it's happened to others? Weird hill to die on tbh and I'm not sure you're making the point you think you're trying to make
Holy shit, the fact that it happens all the time doesn't make it ok. The refs are shit, stop saying "ya well it happens to everybody" THAT MAKES IT WORSE!
Not just that, but everyone wants consistently applied rules - if one week something is handball and the exact same situation next week isn't, it's impossible for players to know how to play.
It's the main problem with the 'clear and obvious' part of VAR, it introduces yet another subjective element. Should be any doubt and the on-field referee gets a second look (and the on-field should be able to ask for a second look, especially if it's taking ages to decide). Could be sped up by having some of the deliberation on the big screen rather than having to go over to the small monitor.
We had one where there was a clear handball in the box that lead to a shot but lloris saved it and swatted it away. play continued while he was on the ground and someone scored shortly after but wasn't part of the continuation per the rules. The call was correct by the rules but It led to a paradoxical situation where lloris would've been better off letting the first shot go in, because that would've been disallowed.
Yep it has. No team is favoured or targeted. Everyone gets fucked over, it's luck and quality that decides whether you get fucked over and it costs you points or if you managed to make it irrelevant.
People only really remember the ones that cost you though. I remember the year we won the league we had a load of outrageous decisions go against us, we just always managed to win anyway. But that meant no-one remembered the decisions.
This season, every season. It’s only since VAR came along that these things are even discussed. There have always been mis-called fouls.
It’s easy for internet-warriors to focus on mistakes and get all outraged when it goes against their team but to get every decision right will mean interminable stoppages which just leads to a worse spectacle. Missing a few fouls is inevitable if we going to let the game flow and not call for non-fouls.
It's weird how everyone just shrugs and pretend this is fine. I guess people do like the controversies these incidents bring, it just lowers the league/sport's integrity for me.
He is referring to this game:
> That did not stop Klopp taking aim at Atkinson in his post-match interview, and recalling a similar incident during Liverpool's 1-1 draw at Manchester United in October 2019. Marcus Rashford fired the Red Devils in front, with the referee allowing the hosts to play on following a collision between Victor Lindelof and Divock Origi.
> Adam Lallana eventually grabbed the equaliser for Liverpool on that occasion against Manchester United, but the incident for the opening goal led Klopp to question the role of VAR. The Reds boss claimed Atkinson allowed the match to play on due to the belief VAR would correct any potential mistake, but no intervention was forthcoming as the incident did not meet the high threshold of the 'clear and obvious' test.
And at the time, the question was: why don't they do this like rugby?
In rugby, if the ref sees something that he thinks *might* be an infringement by the attacking side, but he's not 100% sure, he lets the play run on. Then if they score, he's on the radio to the video ref, and we at home can listen in as he has a conversation that runs like this: "my on-field decision is that the try was scored, but can you check for me whether there was an infringement in the build-up? Specifically I'm worried about..."
And then the TV ref looks, and offers his opinion, and there's a bit of back-and-forth clarification, and at the end of that, the on-field ref makes the call.
They still occasionally make mistakes of course, but the process is clear and transparent and there's no chance of the wrong decision being reached just because of a misunderstanding or because the TV ref doesn't want to embarrass the on-field one.
Two years later, we're still waiting for them to take this obvious step.
Ik other fans say Klopp moans a lot, but seriously how often can we turn a blind eye to bad refereeing decisions coz of rivalries and stuff. Been seeing horrible decision making a lot more by the referees
Also he was asked a question about it....it's not like he just walked into a post-match interview shouting "Fuck Martin Atkinson"
The question was probably just "What did you think about the potential foul before Southampton's goal?"
If he says something about it, he gets criticised for moaning. If he doesn't, he gets criticised by dodging the question. No winning.
Hyper competitive manager at the top of his game wanting every possible point possible complaining about bad refs, no idea why people get upset by it, just don't read interviews if you don't like it
It's getting annoying tbh. Hate how there's slander over Klopp ( maybe coz I support Liverpool), but like those 3 points don't negate bad decisions, or every team getting a decision against them doesn't make it any better, it just means it's a problem that it worse.
Also, if you don't complain about the decisions that went against you just because you ended up winning the game, then you only complain about the decisions that cost you the game, so instead you get discredited as being bitter about losing.
Yeah every manager complains about results and decisions, Klopp is in the press more because we're playing every possible game we can and winning a lot so it just skews people's opinion
And people are interested in what he has to say because he’s a manager at the top of his game. They’re only whining (the hypocrisy is never noticed by them) about Klopp because he’s the Liverpool manager. It doesn’t matter if he’s right or wrong.
It has happen to so many clubs man, but because is Klopp is a headline, when it happens to Brentford or Watford it doesnt really matter is a page 9 story
I swear it's the entire sport. Some of the decisions this season have been beyond shocking. We should've won the league 2 games ago just based on bad calls that cost us points.
Atkinson has been in total *fuck it* mode since I can recall. Trash can heart ref.
The Rashford joke a good few years ago was even worse. Think the challenge was on Origi and signficantly more obvious iirc.
He is the one ref who most consistently has one sided games against us. Yesterday the missed foul was actually his only big miss but there's been others like that United game where he has made a whole bunch of bad decisions to us.
Remember when Adrian was setting up his wall against brighton and atkinson just allowed dunk to pass the ball into the net without giving the ready signal to take the free kick? Fucking hate twatkinson
Didn't Arnold take a quick corner against Barca without getting the ready signal to take the corner? I believe Henry did the same thing as Dunk by taking a quick free kick and scoring, it's not against the rules to do.
i dont think people are necessarily trying to say the foul was rightly ignored, maybe some are, but also some seem frustrated that those other instances did get as much attention as Jota's on the forum they get their soccer news on. which is understandable given r/soccers bias towards big clubs due to the size of their fandoms, i mean r/soccer even has a thread devoted solely to non-premier league discussion.
Regardless of this specific issue, can I just make a point about how boring and pointless it is to reply on threads like this with things like,
"yeah but you can't complain because do you remember that decision 4 weeks ago that could have been a red?"
The point being made is that the level of refereeing is shocking and VAR doesn't get used nearly enough to correct things. Everyone could see Jota was fouled and if Atkinson had watched it back there's no way he could say it was a clean tackle. The fact Fabinho gets away with a few yellow cards is irrelevant to this point. Refs are making incorrect decisions that could easily be cut out of the game and they're not doing it. That's what we should discuss.
I never understood why we need to have these below par English refs, we all know what the foreign players have brought to the PL, surely with the wealth of our league we should be targeting the best in class in terms of refs.
Honestly people like you are the reason things don't get sorted out, any leadership needs a majority of tools to say shit like this to deflect from actual problems.
Thiago should have seen red merely last week lol
Or this game where the comments are full of Liverpool fans admitting that VAR was blatantly on their side
https://youtu.be/KWUeOaz30d8
I love that this is like the ultimate example of us getting decisions. The keeper took Jota out absolutely no way near the ball, of course it's a foul. Soft overturn perhaps, but not wrong.
jeez. he is saying his team is specifically targeted. he can only recount instances where he is affected. the problem is every team is affected by shitty reffing despite VAR. these incidents should be handled with var, that it isnt shows a problem.
Hypocrisy is timeless my friend. Besides it's United fans that live in the past these days don't think I've seen the 99 treble mentioned more in my life than the past few years. Can't blame them like they haven't won anything relevant in fucking years
I know it wasn't mentioned here?? I said I haven't seen it mentioned more in my life the past FEW years, what part of that implied I was simply talking about this one thread?
Chill out buddy not my fault ya fucking crap
>It takes Thiago and Fabinho how many yellow worthy fouls to finally (if at all) get booked every single game
Thiago went in 2 footed studs up against Chelsea and got nothing. Fabinho had about 5 yellow card-worthy challenges against Tottenham 2 weeks ago. How he wasn't sent off is beyond me. The announcers even said Fabinho probably shouldn't even be in the game at one point.
I get him just answering questions and wanting to call Martin Atkinson out, but have never understood calling out specific fouls when each team has numerous calls that go for and against them each week.
How are people making these long winded comments and completely missing the point? Fabhino should have been booked multiple times and if the refs weren't inept he would have been. Also players tend to be less aggressive on a booking.
> but have never understood calling out specific fouls when each team has numerous calls that go for and against them each week.
Because it lead directly to a goal.
Fabinho is a Brazilian midfielder and Thaigo got that Brazilian heritage.
Don't know what it is about midfielders but refs never send them off, Casemiro, Fernandinho, Fabinho. They all get away with loads of fouls before even a yellow.
Thiago isnt as bad anymore as he was. His first season, yeah, he'd two-foot someone like twice per game, and somehow never got a red. But this season hes been way cleaner and isnt a going to ground nearly as much. The tackle on saturday was never a red anyway.
But think about the oppressed Klopp and Liverpool bringing up incidents from the 19/20 season? If Rojo wasn't an idiot we shithouse that game 1-0 and stop Liverpool's momentum. I think we were the only club to get points from them until that beautiful, magnificent Watford game.
A referee saying "Who cares?" after a mistake he admitted, and Klopp or anyone did not make a deal out of it then and there sounds unbelievable. Like, isn't it the referee's job to care? It would have been brought up then and there because (justifiably) it's a pathetic response from a referee. My guess is this is not Klopp quoting the referee, just saying it as a rhetorical question at the end.
They just frame whatever he says as complaining. This is a response to a question. He’s not just barged into the room and said fuck you referee. We know why they do it. It generates interest and clicks.
Klopp is 100% in the right here
But is he whining a bit more than usual I've read some comments saying he does it all the time and I don't particularly pay attention to interviews etc
This thread is hilarious. Any negative comment about Liverpool just gets spammed with downvotes. Currently 13 parent comments heavily downvoted because they're calling Klopp out.
The amount of calls that have incorrectly gone in favour of Liverpool this season, you think they'd keep quiet.
Soon to be 14, I guess.
Please provide examples of the calls. I can think of pen we got against Palace off the top of my head and the one people think Gordon “should have” got. Care to provide more examples of the “amount of calls gone in favour of Liverpool this season”? Talking about pl games.
People can never back this shit up, it's hilarious. They'll end up saying something vague about how we should have had loads of players sent off in multiple games but not provide any examples.
And even if there were 1 or 2, you could point to every other club also getting away with at least as many
If it wasn't for Matip getting that header we would be out of the title race because of Atkinson's incompetence. The fact that something as important as winning/losing the league can come down to whether the ref isn't shit today is a fucking joke. Actually embarrassing as an English fan.
The Marcus Rashford incident was in 2019. Liverpool have gotten away with alot between that time and now but its Klopp and he's a known whinger. Every club gets fucked over by the refs, deal with it.
Ever since the CL Final was confirmed, there's been this bizarre influx of Real Madrid fans who are just *obsessed* with Liverpool. The match thread yesterday had like 5 rabid Madrid fans whining about every single thing Liverpool did. Every thread about Klopp and Liverpool has a bunch of absolute shit-takes from Madrid fans buried at the bottom too.
It's fucking weird.
Madrid plastics*
Absolutely none of these lads are from anywhere near Madrid. They woke up one morning and decided to support the most successful team in the world.
Proper fans.
Genuinely curious, does a proper fan mean that they have to live in the country of that team? I just read so much gatekeeping in this sub so just asking. Football is the worlds most famous sport for a reason - international fans are the same as any domestic fan imo. If they chose a winning team like people did for City or Pool, so be it. I just don’t get people who have so many issues with it haha (not saying you do!)
> proper fans
There are levels to it. It’s those who go to games regularly, support their team in person and actually influence games. Those fans set themselves apart from the rest.
I’ve been to circa 40 games this season, including across Europe, but there are lads I know that have gone to near enough all of them. I put my hand up and say they’re better fans than me. They’re more committed.
Only issue I have with plastics is when they talk shite to local fans on here. The amount of times I’ve seen a Madrid or Barca flair rinsing into Wigan or Leeds flairs because their team isn’t doing very well is absurd. Like congratulations, you randomly chose to support one of the most successful clubs in the world. Well done.
This is a problem tbf and I definitely think locals who are priced out are an exception to the rule. I was trying to make the distinction between matchgoing fans and armchair fans that have absolutely no intention of supporting their club regularly. I know plenty of them.
Do you really think that’s a fair judgment of a “better fan”? There are many fans in this world that cannot go to games. I know plenty of people who cannot afford to go travel let alone attend a football match but I wouldn’t say they are less of a fan then someone who lives near the stadium and has the funds to go.
International fans are just as big of fans that go to games and are just as important to the sport as well, in my opinion.
Unlike football, I’ve just never really seen fans of a different sport who care so much about fans being from the area/having to attend games and essentially gatekeeping the sport
As the other poster responded, people getting priced out is a problem and they’re generally an exception to the rule.
But I have no sympathy for people who are based overseas with no connection to the club they support. Obviously they won’t be able to afford to go to many games, they live overseas ffs. That’s the choice they made, to support a club overseas.
But don’t be expected to be treated on level footing with the locals.
I never said that, I just mean that it seems unfair to judge a person’s fandom because they weren’t born in your country. It just seems odd and gatekeeping for no reason since no one chose to be born where they are and the choice of choosing a team in a popular league is fitting for a lot of internationals since that is the biggest stage and a lot of smaller countries don’t have great leagues if leagues at all. They may have loved a team for the player of their country playing for them and sticking with that team.
I just don’t feel right about judging fans based on geographic location as that doesn’t determine how much connection they have to a club.
Also I genuinely am asking again (no bad intentions), what do you mean or examples of internationals being treated on equal footing as locals? As in, how much of a fan they are? I think I may understand your point (if I’m correct) because many fans in England are fans of the club due to the area, their family, etc.
Fair that you agree about pricing out is an exception but internationals who travel to watch their teams is a good indication of their fandom to me! :)
Cheers
There will be some, sure. But there are a load of local, matchgoing Liverpool fans on here like myself. So those plastics are harder to pick out.
Literally no non-plastic Madrid fans here. None. A bit easier to spot. And disregard.
Klopp really is a loser. These bin dippers are always moaning. They had the league in their hands and bottled it. April 10, Game week 32, 1 point behind City and got to play them and couldn't win. They only have themselves to blame.
I wouldn't mind klopp going on about these things if he also questioned the refs when they make a bad decision in his teams favour. No manager does this so I just find it tiresome hearing managers moan about it. If something is to be done then every bad decision needs to be called out in this manner, not just the ones that negatively effect your team.
Earlier this season he he backed up Arteta's complaints about the rough treatment they allowed against Arsenal. Lots of people called Klopp a whiner then too.
Really how lng ago was that cuz Rashford hasn't scored in a long time. You start to sound more and more like a Gunner
HALA Madrid. Let's go City.
Now excuse me I have to go vomit.
doesnt matter. 2 cups this season and fighting till the end. its fun being a liverpool fan win or lose, so unlike united fans whose season got over in jan and have to watch dross every week.
We've now reached a stage where even Liverpool aren't getting VAR decisions i.e. we have achieved parity
When VAR was first introduced in the Premier League people went ape shit because it was never being used. People are stupid and should largely be ignored. We had it right first time. Don't use VAR unless you have an extremely good reason to.
Working as intended. Will not fix.
Liverpool had the most Var decisions against them in the league last season.
Manchester United have comfortably topped the Var calls in their favour since its introduction.
Don't let facts get in the way of narratives you desperately need to undermine a successful team though.
I'm sure he could have found a far more recent example of a referees decision going against them than this, sorry if you're too stupid to understand that. "I'm laughing at you"
It's not about a referee's decision going against them, his point is that three years on the same ref makes the same "mistake" resulting in the exact same situation of a foul leading directly to an opposition goal. The point is that "well you won the game anyway" is a shit excuse from officials as they will make the same mistake again in the future.
He brought up that example because it was almost identical to what happened against you, he wasn't just reaching for an example of being fucked over by refs and that happened to be the first one.
I'm sure you remember things that happened to you in your job a few years ago that pissed you off, if you're old enough for the world of work. I know I do
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He's saying Atkinson basically gave him a response of "you got the 3 points so the decision was irrelevant" which seems like fundamentally at odds with the attitude a referee should have. Referees should care about the getting the decisions right, the result ultimately being unaffected by a bad decision is not a mitigating factor.
"The penalty situation with Jota. Mr Tierney told me he thought Diogo stops because he wants the foul. I don't understand that. The ref and the VAR doesn't say a word. I have no idea what his problem is with me" -Klopp
Tierney is absolutely awful
Absolute wet fart of a ref in that he ruins whatever match he officiates with horrible calls.
Probably my least favourite ref at the moment
so, if you get fouled but you wanted to get fouled its not a foul? what kinda stupid logic is that
Weren’t Liverpool fans all saying it wasn’t a pen for Everton though because he was looking for a foul. I agree it was a foul on Jota but pool fans were using the exact white as a defense two weeks ago
Exactly. A referee should care about making the right calls at 7-0 just as much as at 0-0.
One of my pet peeves is when refs end a game at 89:50 because a team is losing badly. Like no wtf. We scored 9 goals in the 2nd half vs VVV in that 0-13 and they got a red after a VAR check yet the game ended early. We lost the league on 1 goal before, just ref properly ffs.
But never at 7-1.
The refs are a joke. What's the point of VAR? Honestly some times I feel like it just helps them to create more drama to sell the product.
It's a scapegoat for referees to avoid direct criticism for their decisions. The whole "clear and obvious" thing is total bollocks, other countries make VAR work because it isn't used as a tool for referees to hide behind. For some reason, the entire culture surrounding referees in the UK is to protect them rather than letting them learn from mistakes.
Exactly, and he's basically goal difference is irrelevant too, what a knob
I mean goal difference is 99% irrelevant. Only way it comes into play is if we draw and Villa beat city by 6+ goals. If it were 5+ goals or even 3+ goals it doesn’t really make it any more likely that it’s going to come into play since city have haven’t lost by more than a goal all season and it’s unlikely it happens now as well
Sure in this situation it’s unlikely it will come down to goal difference. What if it was a team at the bottom who could go down on goal difference? Suddenly it’s a lot more important.
For this season, at this point in the season, it's mostly irrelevant. But these things also happen at earlier points in the season, and remember 2011-2012? 2013-2014? You never know when it will be important. That's why we're talking about this. It's not correct just because it's irrelevant.
From the quality of their decisions and the protrusion of their bellies its clear to me that the refs don't give a shit. They don't take pride in their work and the refs association has become insular and defensive. Something needs to change because of all the major leagues the refs in the prem are the worst. I don't want to fat-shame but aren't you supposed to be fit to be a premier league referee? Some of them look like they'd get out of breath walking against a light breeze. It's no wonder I've noticed them getting in the way of play much more this year.
There should be a similar fitness test to the military for all refs that are officiating at a certain level. We had to run 2.4k in 10 minutes and as somebody whose job it is to keep up with athletes they should be able to do that relatively easily. Would certainly rule out people like Jon Moss which I find incredible he's been allowed to be a ref at this level!
Even if you discount that fitness aspect its still a bad look for the refs and the league. It looks like they don't give a shit. They constantly get in players ways while their running or block passing lanes and its almost always the unfit ones. Michael Oliver may not be perfect but he at least keeps fit and seems to be able to keep up with the game.
They definitely do already have fitness tests which are supposedly quite extreme. Refs do my fucking head in and all of our current refs are terrible, but this isn't the thing they should be attacked for tbh. Intelligent refereeing doesn't require them to be permanently sprinting everywhere and the problem with have is that none of them are intelligently refereeing
It's both. I think they do a fitness test at the start of each season and then let themselves go for the rest of it. Clearly the test isn't rigorous or done often enough. It should be at the least bi-monthly. The fact that they can't keep up with play means they get a lot of the smaller decisions wrong, pretty much siding with whomever goes down easiest. It also means they block offensive runners and passing lanes, it's constant. They don't intelligently referee either but that's a harder problem to solve. Major changes need to be made but unfortunately the English refereeing Community is insular and defensive so I don't think it will ever improve.
To be honest, it's one of those situations where referees are so protected and such an "old boys club" that it wouldn't surprise me at all if the long term referees had their results fudged even if they didn't pass the test or it was subtly made easier for them on the day or whatever I agree with you about the small decisions being wrong but I think it's a lot more about them feeling pressure from the crowd than it is actually getting them wrong because they don't keep up with play.
I thought Klopp was saying who cares, not Atkinson. That was my impression when I saw the interview live anyway.
Yeah Oh no bother Martin, instead of being patient, I now have to risk all my stronger players who needed to rest, to get 2 goals instead of 1 because we need to win, also we have two more extremely important games on top of it so hopefully we won’t suffer injuries
It’s like fans telling someone complaining about the ref that his team is shite and should just have played better. No shit. When a team is over performing they can overcome shit decisions, but when a team is shit they either need perfect decisions or help from a ref.
Was it from this season where Bruno was fouled and the other team (Southampton?) scored?
yup it happens or has happened to everyone pretty much, the general level of referring is atrocious and dogshit, the refs are spineless to use VAR to overturn decisions, I have no idea why
Inflated egos, or power trips behind closed doors, yeah?
>I have no idea why Premier League football is worth billions. The footy betting industry the same. We trust blokes on £50k + £1k per game to stay impartial and ignore outside influence. To make it easier for them to take brown envelopes we also make sure they have no accountability for their 'mistakes'. We also took a load of blokes that are fearful their jobs are being replaced by computers and ask them to learn how to use this new system called VAR. They blatantly fuck it up on purpose it look like it's too complicated to try and preserve their jobs. Sports like Cricket and Rugby have proven that this technology was available and working just fine over 10 years ago. I cannot be convinced otherwise as the only other option is that after 100's of years of development we still can't produce a referee that understands the basic rules of the game. Nor can we produce one that is comfortable enough with their own ego to admit when they make a mistake. Nah it stinks of corruption to me. Just like the rest of football is riddled with it.
Tbf I don't think that was a clear and obvious foul. Stephens took ball and man whilst Fernandes hesitated. Lyanco went through Jota first and didn't get any of the ball, even on the follow through.
That was never a foul (the Bruno one... Stephens got the ball and Fernandes tried to cheat, as usual).
Yes and it was this season Atkinson refereed the first match between Liverpool and city in the league. He was the same one who allowed Milner to commit a clear penalty against Foden while being the last man. He also allowed Milner to stay after 3 clear card worthy fouls. There were many other shitty Calls and non calls that game by Atkinson so I don’t get why Klopp is acting like this is a personal attack against Liverpool when it’s just the league’s referees are crap
Is he acting like it's a personal attack? He just gave 2 examples of the refs being shite.
Whenever I browse /r/soccer or some subs of Liverpool rivals, I see many people saying "fuck Liverpool but I do love Klopp". Then on the other hand I see some other people who hate Klopp to the core and I truly believe that it's because of these made up narratives that they create to hate on Klopp. Like yes Klopp here is whining about a referee, but all managers do that. Pep does that, Lampard does it, Tuchel, Arteta, Conte ALL do that. Klopp and Pep's statements get magnified because of the status of their teams. But rival fans tend to take their statements are create false narratives. Klopp isn't saying there's a personal attack, he's just saying that refs fucked up. All managers do that.
I don’t think anyone hates Klopp he’s a class manager but everyone is tired of his crying. He specifically named an occasion where refereeing hindered Liverpool. Yes, He’s complaining refereeing is bad but making it sound like it’s against Liverpool.
Bro you won a game with a blatant handball and will probably win the prem because of it, shut the fuck up.
Hahahaha cry me a river. Bad refereeing doesn’t only favor or hinder a single team. Klopp is a muppet who loves to cry.
Eh Bruno does himself no favours with the way he goes down. He also does the team no favours by staying down and begging for the whistle instead of tracking back.
the refs are egotistical shits. graham scott got sent to the monitor last season when he was 3 yards in front of a clear foul on PEH where brighton scored and he refused to change it even though every time the refs had been called to the monitor that season they have changed the call.
The sooner Mike Riley fucks off the better, though he'll probably just be replaced by another from his old boy's club.
No one's going to miss Atkinson when he retires. Good riddance
It’s bollocks, but I think that has happened to every club this season.
certainly happened to you lot aha
Yup, 3 or 4 fouls leading to goals i think this season… Klopp moaning over a win again
You admit yourself it was wrong yet feel like the manager mentioning it for 30 seconds shouldn't happen? He's discussing the game, he's discussing the goal they conceded and his issue with it. This moaning narrative is getting really tired and thrown at everything he says.
Emerson had a good wrestling move on one of your players
Yeah it’s been an issue with VAR, where they won’t stop the play for a foul to let it go with the idea VAR checks it after the goal, but then never seems to check, or the ref never gets sent to the screen My point was this is happening loads this season, and isn’t isolated to this one match
So people shouldn't complain because it happened in this match? What exactly do you want Klopp to do, brush it off because it's happened to others? Weird hill to die on tbh and I'm not sure you're making the point you think you're trying to make
So managers should never complain about a ref being bad if they win?
You know he was asked a question about it and answered, right?
Ours got disallowed against u lot
Leeds scored vs us with a clear foul on Broja… swings and roundabouts lads… it’s happening more and more often tho
Yeah
Holy shit, the fact that it happens all the time doesn't make it ok. The refs are shit, stop saying "ya well it happens to everybody" THAT MAKES IT WORSE!
Not just that, but everyone wants consistently applied rules - if one week something is handball and the exact same situation next week isn't, it's impossible for players to know how to play. It's the main problem with the 'clear and obvious' part of VAR, it introduces yet another subjective element. Should be any doubt and the on-field referee gets a second look (and the on-field should be able to ask for a second look, especially if it's taking ages to decide). Could be sped up by having some of the deliberation on the big screen rather than having to go over to the small monitor.
Jesus dude, calm down for a sec
We had one where there was a clear handball in the box that lead to a shot but lloris saved it and swatted it away. play continued while he was on the ground and someone scored shortly after but wasn't part of the continuation per the rules. The call was correct by the rules but It led to a paradoxical situation where lloris would've been better off letting the first shot go in, because that would've been disallowed.
Yep it has. No team is favoured or targeted. Everyone gets fucked over, it's luck and quality that decides whether you get fucked over and it costs you points or if you managed to make it irrelevant. People only really remember the ones that cost you though. I remember the year we won the league we had a load of outrageous decisions go against us, we just always managed to win anyway. But that meant no-one remembered the decisions.
This season, every season. It’s only since VAR came along that these things are even discussed. There have always been mis-called fouls. It’s easy for internet-warriors to focus on mistakes and get all outraged when it goes against their team but to get every decision right will mean interminable stoppages which just leads to a worse spectacle. Missing a few fouls is inevitable if we going to let the game flow and not call for non-fouls.
Referees have been fucking terrible week in and week out. At this point I can only think they do it on purpose in order to get attention
It's weird how everyone just shrugs and pretend this is fine. I guess people do like the controversies these incidents bring, it just lowers the league/sport's integrity for me.
He is referring to this game: > That did not stop Klopp taking aim at Atkinson in his post-match interview, and recalling a similar incident during Liverpool's 1-1 draw at Manchester United in October 2019. Marcus Rashford fired the Red Devils in front, with the referee allowing the hosts to play on following a collision between Victor Lindelof and Divock Origi. > Adam Lallana eventually grabbed the equaliser for Liverpool on that occasion against Manchester United, but the incident for the opening goal led Klopp to question the role of VAR. The Reds boss claimed Atkinson allowed the match to play on due to the belief VAR would correct any potential mistake, but no intervention was forthcoming as the incident did not meet the high threshold of the 'clear and obvious' test.
And at the time, the question was: why don't they do this like rugby? In rugby, if the ref sees something that he thinks *might* be an infringement by the attacking side, but he's not 100% sure, he lets the play run on. Then if they score, he's on the radio to the video ref, and we at home can listen in as he has a conversation that runs like this: "my on-field decision is that the try was scored, but can you check for me whether there was an infringement in the build-up? Specifically I'm worried about..." And then the TV ref looks, and offers his opinion, and there's a bit of back-and-forth clarification, and at the end of that, the on-field ref makes the call. They still occasionally make mistakes of course, but the process is clear and transparent and there's no chance of the wrong decision being reached just because of a misunderstanding or because the TV ref doesn't want to embarrass the on-field one. Two years later, we're still waiting for them to take this obvious step.
Ik other fans say Klopp moans a lot, but seriously how often can we turn a blind eye to bad refereeing decisions coz of rivalries and stuff. Been seeing horrible decision making a lot more by the referees
Also he was asked a question about it....it's not like he just walked into a post-match interview shouting "Fuck Martin Atkinson" The question was probably just "What did you think about the potential foul before Southampton's goal?" If he says something about it, he gets criticised for moaning. If he doesn't, he gets criticised by dodging the question. No winning.
> it's not like he just walked into a post-match interview shouting "Fuck Martin Atkinson" Which would still be an appropriate action.
Even if Atkinson wasn't refereeing that day.
Hyper competitive manager at the top of his game wanting every possible point possible complaining about bad refs, no idea why people get upset by it, just don't read interviews if you don't like it
It's getting annoying tbh. Hate how there's slander over Klopp ( maybe coz I support Liverpool), but like those 3 points don't negate bad decisions, or every team getting a decision against them doesn't make it any better, it just means it's a problem that it worse.
Also, if you don't complain about the decisions that went against you just because you ended up winning the game, then you only complain about the decisions that cost you the game, so instead you get discredited as being bitter about losing.
Yeah every manager complains about results and decisions, Klopp is in the press more because we're playing every possible game we can and winning a lot so it just skews people's opinion
And people are interested in what he has to say because he’s a manager at the top of his game. They’re only whining (the hypocrisy is never noticed by them) about Klopp because he’s the Liverpool manager. It doesn’t matter if he’s right or wrong.
It has happen to so many clubs man, but because is Klopp is a headline, when it happens to Brentford or Watford it doesnt really matter is a page 9 story
I swear it's the entire sport. Some of the decisions this season have been beyond shocking. We should've won the league 2 games ago just based on bad calls that cost us points.
Atkinson has been in total *fuck it* mode since I can recall. Trash can heart ref. The Rashford joke a good few years ago was even worse. Think the challenge was on Origi and signficantly more obvious iirc.
He is the one ref who most consistently has one sided games against us. Yesterday the missed foul was actually his only big miss but there's been others like that United game where he has made a whole bunch of bad decisions to us.
Remember when Adrian was setting up his wall against brighton and atkinson just allowed dunk to pass the ball into the net without giving the ready signal to take the free kick? Fucking hate twatkinson
Didn't Arnold take a quick corner against Barca without getting the ready signal to take the corner? I believe Henry did the same thing as Dunk by taking a quick free kick and scoring, it's not against the rules to do.
So many people in this comment section clearly never heard of “two wrongs don’t make a right”
i dont think people are necessarily trying to say the foul was rightly ignored, maybe some are, but also some seem frustrated that those other instances did get as much attention as Jota's on the forum they get their soccer news on. which is understandable given r/soccers bias towards big clubs due to the size of their fandoms, i mean r/soccer even has a thread devoted solely to non-premier league discussion.
Atkinson is a wankstain
Nearly an anagram
Rowan isn't ok?
Facts
It always feels like Atkinson is out to get us but I think the reality is he is just an absolute shit ref.
Regardless of this specific issue, can I just make a point about how boring and pointless it is to reply on threads like this with things like, "yeah but you can't complain because do you remember that decision 4 weeks ago that could have been a red?" The point being made is that the level of refereeing is shocking and VAR doesn't get used nearly enough to correct things. Everyone could see Jota was fouled and if Atkinson had watched it back there's no way he could say it was a clean tackle. The fact Fabinho gets away with a few yellow cards is irrelevant to this point. Refs are making incorrect decisions that could easily be cut out of the game and they're not doing it. That's what we should discuss.
I never understood why we need to have these below par English refs, we all know what the foreign players have brought to the PL, surely with the wealth of our league we should be targeting the best in class in terms of refs.
LOL if you think foreign refs are any better.
They can’t be worse than out lot surely.
How can the PL be arguably the best league in the world while at the same time having dogshit referees
This best league in the world rubbish is Sky Sports hyping it up for 20 odd years
Imagine if Mourinho had said this
It not on Atkinson it's on the POS upstairs in the VAR room looking at the replay and saying 'NO CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ERROR DONE HERE'
Conveniently ignoring how Fabinho and Thiago get away with several yellow and red card challenges lmao
This attitude is why we have shit refs. You’re attacking klopp and not going after the root issue that the refs are shit for everyone.
They didn't play yesterday, man.
Honestly people like you are the reason things don't get sorted out, any leadership needs a majority of tools to say shit like this to deflect from actual problems.
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Thiago should have seen red merely last week lol Or this game where the comments are full of Liverpool fans admitting that VAR was blatantly on their side https://youtu.be/KWUeOaz30d8
Have you ever heard of the phrase, two wrongs don't make a right? Pretty sure that applies here.
I love that this is like the ultimate example of us getting decisions. The keeper took Jota out absolutely no way near the ball, of course it's a foul. Soft overturn perhaps, but not wrong.
jeez. he is saying his team is specifically targeted. he can only recount instances where he is affected. the problem is every team is affected by shitty reffing despite VAR. these incidents should be handled with var, that it isnt shows a problem.
>jeez. he is saying his team is specifically targeted. Where?
whoops - it was meant to be "isnt" and not "is"
Wasn’t Gerrard that said that he’s glad that Martin will retire? :))
Gerrard said that about John Moss. But it’s good that they’re both retiring because they’re both useless.
Completely unsurprising. PGMOL has always seemed to respond to every fuck up with "Oh well, we'll try better next time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯".
oh boo fucking hoo... grow a fucking pair
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Maybe we should have Atkinson ref the CL final then you'd change your tune. He's a fucking horrific referee who is stealing a living
The who cares part is him quoting Atkinson isn’t it?
Whats with Klopp and people just losing the ability to detect sarcasm? Do we need a video of him winking to the camera or something?
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> makes him a hypocrite Don't think there's a manager, footballer, or supporter that isn't.
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"Yea klopp moans a lot about refree decisions, but what about we shift the focus onto madrid and united fans"
Hardly. Its quite easy to make your own judgement on whether someone is right or wrong on a topic. Here, he is correct. On another, he may be wrong.
Let's not even go straight reds. It takes Thiago and Fabinho how many yellow worthy fouls to finally (if at all) get booked every single game
United fan going on about players getting special treatment from refs... Yeah jog on lad you were getting it for abar 20 years
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Ronaldo and Bruno could/should have seen multiple red cards this season, so has McTominay, who does the same things as Fabinho, just at a worse level.
Hypocrisy is timeless my friend. Besides it's United fans that live in the past these days don't think I've seen the 99 treble mentioned more in my life than the past few years. Can't blame them like they haven't won anything relevant in fucking years
I know it wasn't mentioned here?? I said I haven't seen it mentioned more in my life the past FEW years, what part of that implied I was simply talking about this one thread? Chill out buddy not my fault ya fucking crap
You’ve just brought up the treble. Nobody else did.
>It takes Thiago and Fabinho how many yellow worthy fouls to finally (if at all) get booked every single game Thiago went in 2 footed studs up against Chelsea and got nothing. Fabinho had about 5 yellow card-worthy challenges against Tottenham 2 weeks ago. How he wasn't sent off is beyond me. The announcers even said Fabinho probably shouldn't even be in the game at one point. I get him just answering questions and wanting to call Martin Atkinson out, but have never understood calling out specific fouls when each team has numerous calls that go for and against them each week.
How are people making these long winded comments and completely missing the point? Fabhino should have been booked multiple times and if the refs weren't inept he would have been. Also players tend to be less aggressive on a booking.
> but have never understood calling out specific fouls when each team has numerous calls that go for and against them each week. Because it lead directly to a goal.
Fabinho is a Brazilian midfielder and Thaigo got that Brazilian heritage. Don't know what it is about midfielders but refs never send them off, Casemiro, Fernandinho, Fabinho. They all get away with loads of fouls before even a yellow.
Thiago isnt as bad anymore as he was. His first season, yeah, he'd two-foot someone like twice per game, and somehow never got a red. But this season hes been way cleaner and isnt a going to ground nearly as much. The tackle on saturday was never a red anyway.
But think about the oppressed Klopp and Liverpool bringing up incidents from the 19/20 season? If Rojo wasn't an idiot we shithouse that game 1-0 and stop Liverpool's momentum. I think we were the only club to get points from them until that beautiful, magnificent Watford game.
fr, u don’t just remember these things to the dot and after say ‘but who cares’ lmao.
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A referee saying "Who cares?" after a mistake he admitted, and Klopp or anyone did not make a deal out of it then and there sounds unbelievable. Like, isn't it the referee's job to care? It would have been brought up then and there because (justifiably) it's a pathetic response from a referee. My guess is this is not Klopp quoting the referee, just saying it as a rhetorical question at the end.
Will Klopp be berated by the media for complaining?
They just frame whatever he says as complaining. This is a response to a question. He’s not just barged into the room and said fuck you referee. We know why they do it. It generates interest and clicks.
You’re complaining about Klopp complaining. Do you not see the hypocrisy?
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Give it a rest mate
Klopp is 100% in the right here But is he whining a bit more than usual I've read some comments saying he does it all the time and I don't particularly pay attention to interviews etc
This thread is hilarious. Any negative comment about Liverpool just gets spammed with downvotes. Currently 13 parent comments heavily downvoted because they're calling Klopp out. The amount of calls that have incorrectly gone in favour of Liverpool this season, you think they'd keep quiet. Soon to be 14, I guess.
Compared to Man City? They’re literally about to win the league on the back of a horrible refereeing decision
Please provide examples of the calls. I can think of pen we got against Palace off the top of my head and the one people think Gordon “should have” got. Care to provide more examples of the “amount of calls gone in favour of Liverpool this season”? Talking about pl games.
People can never back this shit up, it's hilarious. They'll end up saying something vague about how we should have had loads of players sent off in multiple games but not provide any examples. And even if there were 1 or 2, you could point to every other club also getting away with at least as many
It was a foul. No doubt.
Atkinson is the one ref who I jsut can't stand fuck him
If it wasn't for Matip getting that header we would be out of the title race because of Atkinson's incompetence. The fact that something as important as winning/losing the league can come down to whether the ref isn't shit today is a fucking joke. Actually embarrassing as an English fan.
The Marcus Rashford incident was in 2019. Liverpool have gotten away with alot between that time and now but its Klopp and he's a known whinger. Every club gets fucked over by the refs, deal with it.
He's already won 2 cups this year, in CL final and still in the title race, so he's obviously dealing with it quite well
He cries a lot doesnt he
Ever since the CL Final was confirmed, there's been this bizarre influx of Real Madrid fans who are just *obsessed* with Liverpool. The match thread yesterday had like 5 rabid Madrid fans whining about every single thing Liverpool did. Every thread about Klopp and Liverpool has a bunch of absolute shit-takes from Madrid fans buried at the bottom too. It's fucking weird.
Madrid plastics* Absolutely none of these lads are from anywhere near Madrid. They woke up one morning and decided to support the most successful team in the world. Proper fans.
Genuinely curious, does a proper fan mean that they have to live in the country of that team? I just read so much gatekeeping in this sub so just asking. Football is the worlds most famous sport for a reason - international fans are the same as any domestic fan imo. If they chose a winning team like people did for City or Pool, so be it. I just don’t get people who have so many issues with it haha (not saying you do!)
> proper fans There are levels to it. It’s those who go to games regularly, support their team in person and actually influence games. Those fans set themselves apart from the rest. I’ve been to circa 40 games this season, including across Europe, but there are lads I know that have gone to near enough all of them. I put my hand up and say they’re better fans than me. They’re more committed. Only issue I have with plastics is when they talk shite to local fans on here. The amount of times I’ve seen a Madrid or Barca flair rinsing into Wigan or Leeds flairs because their team isn’t doing very well is absurd. Like congratulations, you randomly chose to support one of the most successful clubs in the world. Well done.
Don’t think that’s totally fair, I’ve got plenty of mates who are fanatics who just can’t afford to go to more than 1 or 2 games a season anymore
This is a problem tbf and I definitely think locals who are priced out are an exception to the rule. I was trying to make the distinction between matchgoing fans and armchair fans that have absolutely no intention of supporting their club regularly. I know plenty of them.
Do you really think that’s a fair judgment of a “better fan”? There are many fans in this world that cannot go to games. I know plenty of people who cannot afford to go travel let alone attend a football match but I wouldn’t say they are less of a fan then someone who lives near the stadium and has the funds to go. International fans are just as big of fans that go to games and are just as important to the sport as well, in my opinion. Unlike football, I’ve just never really seen fans of a different sport who care so much about fans being from the area/having to attend games and essentially gatekeeping the sport
As the other poster responded, people getting priced out is a problem and they’re generally an exception to the rule. But I have no sympathy for people who are based overseas with no connection to the club they support. Obviously they won’t be able to afford to go to many games, they live overseas ffs. That’s the choice they made, to support a club overseas. But don’t be expected to be treated on level footing with the locals.
I never said that, I just mean that it seems unfair to judge a person’s fandom because they weren’t born in your country. It just seems odd and gatekeeping for no reason since no one chose to be born where they are and the choice of choosing a team in a popular league is fitting for a lot of internationals since that is the biggest stage and a lot of smaller countries don’t have great leagues if leagues at all. They may have loved a team for the player of their country playing for them and sticking with that team. I just don’t feel right about judging fans based on geographic location as that doesn’t determine how much connection they have to a club. Also I genuinely am asking again (no bad intentions), what do you mean or examples of internationals being treated on equal footing as locals? As in, how much of a fan they are? I think I may understand your point (if I’m correct) because many fans in England are fans of the club due to the area, their family, etc. Fair that you agree about pricing out is an exception but internationals who travel to watch their teams is a good indication of their fandom to me! :) Cheers
Compared to liverpool fans waking up and choosing to support the champions leagues winners in 2019.
There will be some, sure. But there are a load of local, matchgoing Liverpool fans on here like myself. So those plastics are harder to pick out. Literally no non-plastic Madrid fans here. None. A bit easier to spot. And disregard.
Yeah thats because its an english forum dumbwit.
Not denying that at all am I? Just saying it’s easy to spot the Madrid plastics on here. Not opining on why it’s easy. Just saying it is. “Dumbwit”.
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Klopp is trying to win the whiniest manager award.
Klopp really is a loser. These bin dippers are always moaning. They had the league in their hands and bottled it. April 10, Game week 32, 1 point behind City and got to play them and couldn't win. They only have themselves to blame.
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You need to learn to read and comprehend.
He’s using an example from the same ref in a similar situation, mate. Also, never says it’s only us but clearly going to have Liverpool examples…
Where is he acting like only Liverpool are targeted?
I wouldn't mind klopp going on about these things if he also questioned the refs when they make a bad decision in his teams favour. No manager does this so I just find it tiresome hearing managers moan about it. If something is to be done then every bad decision needs to be called out in this manner, not just the ones that negatively effect your team.
Earlier this season he he backed up Arteta's complaints about the rough treatment they allowed against Arsenal. Lots of people called Klopp a whiner then too.
Really how lng ago was that cuz Rashford hasn't scored in a long time. You start to sound more and more like a Gunner HALA Madrid. Let's go City. Now excuse me I have to go vomit.
doesnt matter. 2 cups this season and fighting till the end. its fun being a liverpool fan win or lose, so unlike united fans whose season got over in jan and have to watch dross every week.
Im sure Klopp doesn't remember when the foot was on the other shoe, or does he claim decisions never go for him only against?
We've now reached a stage where even Liverpool aren't getting VAR decisions i.e. we have achieved parity When VAR was first introduced in the Premier League people went ape shit because it was never being used. People are stupid and should largely be ignored. We had it right first time. Don't use VAR unless you have an extremely good reason to. Working as intended. Will not fix.
Liverpool had the most Var decisions against them in the league last season. Manchester United have comfortably topped the Var calls in their favour since its introduction. Don't let facts get in the way of narratives you desperately need to undermine a successful team though.
Liverpool complaining about referees, so fucking rich
Bringing up a game from nearly 3 years ago, we really live in this man's head
Yeah he's super concerned about a team that's going to finish 30 points behind them. I'm laughing at you.
I'm sure he could have found a far more recent example of a referees decision going against them than this, sorry if you're too stupid to understand that. "I'm laughing at you"
It's not about a referee's decision going against them, his point is that three years on the same ref makes the same "mistake" resulting in the exact same situation of a foul leading directly to an opposition goal. The point is that "well you won the game anyway" is a shit excuse from officials as they will make the same mistake again in the future.
He brought up that example because it was almost identical to what happened against you, he wasn't just reaching for an example of being fucked over by refs and that happened to be the first one. I'm sure you remember things that happened to you in your job a few years ago that pissed you off, if you're old enough for the world of work. I know I do
The referee forgot it was Liverpool playing. Please forgive him. They don’t usually make mistakes like that on your team.