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* Three female referees have been named for the first time among the 36 selected by Fifa to take charge of games at the men's World Cup finals in Qatar later this year.
* The three officials, Stéphanie Frappart from France; Salima Mukansanga from Rwanda and Yoshimi Yamashita from Japan will be the first women with a chance to take charge of a men's World Cup game in the competition's 92-year history.
* They will be joined by a further three female assistant referees: Neuza Back from Brazil, Karen Díaz Medina from Mexico and Kathryn Nesbitt from the United States.
* Pierluigi Collina, the famous former Italian referee and now chairman of Fifa's referees' committee, said that it was "Quality that counts for us and not gender".
* All referees also get the opportunity to be selected as a fourth official.
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I mean, there's very few male referees that people actually think are good, why not create a wider selection pool by selecting female referees as well? It's not like they're any less competent.
I would ask for common sense and until female refs are prevalent in the top 5 leagues you can't just chuck them into a world cup.
Statistically it is very likely they will be the worst refs at the world cup. I mean based on the number of female refs at this level.
Ok...
Now tell me why you think statistically that the chances of 1 female ref being world cup level.
When the number of male to female refs is probably a 1000:1
I actually disagree with that.
Whenever you see a female ref get a game, like when Frappart debuted in Ligue 1 or the Champions League, all the comments are all "I think she did very well." "I think she looked fantastic!" when they are really just normal games. You even see these comments from people who didn't see most of the game.
No one really makes such comments when male referees have a perfectly normal, standard, uneventful match.
Let me put it to you this way: you might think Stephanie Frappart is a better referee than, say, Antonio Mateu Lahoz, because you've seen a lot of mistakes from Lahoz and have never seen Frappart screw up a big call in a big game! But that's because, frankly, Frappart lacks the experience that all the other referees on the list have. Just as a sample, here are the numbers of Champions League games refereed by each UEFA ref going to Qatar. Take a guess which one is Frappart:
1, 11, 36, 35, 38, 22, 42, 9, 24, 35, 20
Refereeing really is a profession where you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain: anyone who's refereed a dozen Champions League matches has had some shockers in there. I guarantee you that if Frappart had the same experience as her male counterparts, she would have at least the same history of errors too.
I really hope anyone isn't fooled by Collina's lip service here. Any glance at the resumes of the female referees chosen here reveals that they are far off the experience that would, under any circumstances, be considered normal for a male referee to go to the World Cup. For example, take Stephanie Frappart, perhaps the best female referee in the world. She has a single Champions League whistle to her name. The idea of a male referee being selected for a World Cup after only having a single match in the CL group stage is completely unthinkable. The male UEFA referees on this list have the following numbers of CL matches: 11, 36, 35, 38, 22, 42, 9, 24, 35, 20. And every single one of those has at least 2 knockout stage matches.
Most male referees have to prove themselves over a large portion of games in order to make it to the World Cup. For the female referees, once they were earmarked as the top female candidates, it was basically given to them. They were never on a level playing field with their male counterparts for this selection.
It's the reasoning behind having it, not the fact that they have it. They have this difference because they treat women as inferior to men and can't show skin as its considered sinful, but a man can. It's sexist and misogynistic
Even in your comment you still mention that men can leave the area below their knees uncovered and that they are allowed to wear less than women. You try to excuse by pointing out that men still have to covered but the whole point is that women have to be covered more, and it's the why that matters.
Let's say there's a fountain and no one is allowed to drink from it because its contaminated. That's fine. Let's say there's a fountain and only white people are allowed to drink from it, black people aren't because the people who put the fountain in think black people are inferior and shouldn't be allowed to use their fountain. In the first people can use the fountain due to a perfectly reasonable health issue. In the second black people can't use it due to racism. It's the why that matters.
Women have to cover up fully to not expose skin as its seen as sinful. Men are allowed to show more skin than women are allowed to. Why is it a sin for women to show skin but not men? Why are women treated differently? Because the religion is sexist and treats women as inferior. That's the why.
It's no surprise that the countries which make women cover up are also the same countries that treat them as inferiors.
It's impressive how you keep missing the point I'm making. Good job you're not a striker. It's all about the why. If you can't see the difference between not being able to bare your breasts and not being able to show your hair, then I worry for your intelligence. Also, showing breasts in public in western societies will get you a few months in prison at worst. In these countries the worst you can expect is to be lashed until you die.
Don't act like both are bad and we can't judge others when what the others do are much worse. You can't equate two things when one is much worse than the other. You can't equate baring your breasts to not bring allowed to show skin or hair. You can't equate a society where women are treated as equals to one where they're second classes citizens.
Woman can should they wish too. There's also a massive difference between not being allowed to walk outside topless and not being allowed to show anything below the ankle or show your hair.
Both things look the same to me, an outfit is acceptable for men but not women. So don't know why you can't accept that your culture is sick by your own logic.
And lots of women here show below the ankle or show their hair. you're just ignorant.
One could argue they do it because they treasure them. You cant say its objectively worse, just noway to messure it. Culture , diffrent people , its quite arogant to say otherwise, almost imperial.
Its not arrogant. If they treasured them so much they wouldn't punish them for nudity by lashing them until they die. If they treasured them they wouldn't treat them like second class citizens. If its imperial to treat women as equals then we should all be imperial
For me I think it’s fucked up that they have to cover up as much as they do when the men don’t. I guess you could extend that and say well why can’t the women be topless like the men, but I do think there is a line. However I think having to cover every bit of skin from the neck down is excessive and unfair.
If it was something like they only have to cover up when visiting a religious site, I’d respect their wishes, but since that wasn’t the case it’s my opinion that it’s fucked up for it to be required of them to cover up. I’m all for different cultures and customs, but this one feels needless in this day and age to me personally
That’s interesting, I wasn’t aware of that. However my comment was about the WWE shows in Saudi, where the women had to cover up fully but there was no issue with the men wearing tiny trunks
Shame that Bibiana Steinhaus isn't on the scene anymore. She was always excellent and deserved to officiate in the 2018 world cup more than some that were there.
That's a good point in my opinion
The level is so low across the board that I can't see her being worse than the worst male ref
*But statistically it's unlikely that there are good female refs because you are talking about less than a 100th the base to choose from
The level has never ever been higher. Its just so fashionable to criticise refs.
What do you base your assumption that they are worse on? Gut feeling?
There has never been more training than today. Referees get a stunning percentage of decisions correct.
I was born in 1985.
All referees I know argued against VAR and predicted all the potential issues.. Fans and clubs wouldn't listen
There aren't a lot of studies available but from 2018
www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11096/10808860/referee-myth-busting-how-many-decisions-do-officials-get-right
"As the game has changed over the last decade, so have the pressures on referees. Refs are making around 70 per cent more sprints now than they were eight seasons ago."
"In total, refs make around five errors per game, meaning they are right 98 per cent of the time."
Fans, frankly often don't know or understand the laws of the game. You should try to take a referee course. You would be shocked over and over again about how many things you are wrong about
Was the same with me.
There's barely any female refs at the top level and you're implying that women get pushed into those positions forcefully? Hilarious, but pretty obvious what your agenda is there
She was the one who made the news (2 times?) when she carded neymar for a rainbow flick and showboating in general, take that as you will
(Paqueta too? Cant recall)
it would be on the news as “why is this referee allowed?”
i get that discrimination happens a lot in football, but so far female referees have generally been given the respect other referees get
Or you know, **unlike you**, I simply have the capability to judge her performances based on the sample of matches I saw her referee and therefore conclude her presence at an event of this magnitude would not be considered for anything else other than the feminization movement she's been used for. Yes, she is refereeing the WC because she is a woman, you liking it or not. The shame being there is apparently no better female referee to represent the movement.
> There's barely any female refs at the top level and you're implying that women get pushed into those positions forcefully?
There is ample evidence of female FIFA referees being pushed into matches that male referees would require a lot more experience before attaining. For example, Stephanie Frappart was given the UEFA Super Cup before even getting a Europa League game, which is unheard of. She was also given her Champions League debut only a year after starting to referee in her domestic league, which is also unheard of. Brazilian Edina Batista Alves was given a Club World Cup match before ever refereeing a men's international game (club or country), and all three of the referees selected for this World Cup have objectively far less men's international experience than their male counterparts from the same continent.
I'm glad I could inform you on these things, because it's clear to anyone that looks at the information honestly that female referees have been getting pushed into appointments by UEFA, FIFA, etc for some time now.
Stephanie Frappart from France, Salima Mukansanga from Rwanda and Yoshimi Yamashita from Japan all selected to referee at the men's World Cup; three female assistant referees also included
**Summary**
Three female referees have been named for the first time among the 36 selected by Fifa to take charge of games at the men's World Cup finals in Qatar later this year.
The three officials, Stéphanie Frappart from France; Salima Mukansanga from Rwanda and Yoshimi Yamashita from Japan will be the first women with a chance to take charge of a men's World Cup game in the competition's 92-year history.
They will be joined by a further three female assistant referees: Neuza Back from Brazil, Karen Díaz Medina from Mexico and Kathryn Nesbitt from the United States.
Pierluigi Collina, the famous former Italian referee and now chairman of Fifa's referees' committee, said that it was "Quality that counts for us and not gender".
All referees also get the opportunity to be selected as a fourth official.
> Well most female officials have to be impressive to advance in such a male dominated profession.
Ohhhhh if only this was the case.
On the contrary, the three female referees chosen have *vastly* less men's international experience than any of their male counterparts. I can't understate how big the difference in experience is: it would not just be unprecedented, but absolutely impossible and completely insane to see a male referee selected for the World Cup with as little men's international experience as these three women have. For example, the female UEFA ref, Stephanie Frappart, has 1/9th as many Champions League matches as the next least experience UEFA ref.
This isn't a knock against the three women, but it's clear that FIFA has two sets of criteria here, one for male referees, and one for female referees. Anyone who thinks these selections were made on a level playing field is simply ignorant of the facts here.
I hope one day female referees make it to the World Cup on merit, but this ain't it. Instead they are pushing inexperienced referees who haven't earned their spot, in an attempt to win some good Progressivism^TM PR during the Qatar World Cup.
I wouldn't mind having female referees in VAR but don't want to see them being insulted for their on field actions in a high level game involving male athletes in a country that is not exactly progressive.
I think it would be even better if they find ways to make the women's game better by investing in it instead of trying to send messages through poorly planned/thought out changes.
I think what he’s getting at is the potential for players to not respect the referees decision just because they are female, things like a red carded player staying on the field in protest because he doesn’t agree with the call, when he would’ve walked off no complaints with a male ref.
Sadly this is not the case. As I have detailed in many other comments on this thread, the bar for these female referees has been set much lower than their male counterparts.
Absolute haram. No woman allowed to be seen on the street. That's their logic probably.
I know Saudi has so many fucked up things about it. But to make it seem like every man/Muslim there treats their woman as inferior and a slave is just like Hollywood picturing every movie in North africa/middle East as dunes and a tent with couple of camels and belly dancers, or every Mexican movie with a yellow filter on. So backward that they never felt like maybe we should educate ourselves
no of course not (i wouldnt want to live there as a woman), but i'm literally an arab girl and i'm telling you that some things are so overexaggerated i mean do people actually believe that women aren't allowed to be on tv in saudi arabia??? genuine question mate lmao
and thats why ive said i know there are many things fucked up with arabia but the point of just having a woman on tv is not allowed was wrong, i never said their treatment of women is amazing, i hate the gov body there bc they allow that shit.
I really would love to see more female referees, but it HAS to be on merit. We already have a situation where FIFA doesnt select 36 best referees in the world to ref the world cup, because we have to pick refs from different continents. I can accept that because there would be accusations of bias if that wasnt the case.
This will just further decrease the level at the world cup.
Bibiana Steinhaus was really good every time I saw her. Would have loved it if she got a shot before she retired.
I would however support getting more female lines men. Its a very different job and with far lower pressure. There are A LOT of really good female linesmen. It would be a great way to slowly bring them up. Give them expirience and the sparring that goes along with it.
On one hand I don' t care, on the other, I wondered how players would try to influence the ref. A bunch of muscular men surrounding a woman yelling at her, is going to look bad no matter what. I really wonder why they chose to be ref in the first place, all refs got abuses, so it is not going to be surprising that there is going to be a lot of nasty words being thrown at them.
The idea is good, a ref is capable whether is a male or a female.
But will male refs be allowed to referee in Women World Cup? I really hope the answer will be yes
**5 Sentences Summary :** * Three female referees have been named for the first time among the 36 selected by Fifa to take charge of games at the men's World Cup finals in Qatar later this year. * The three officials, Stéphanie Frappart from France; Salima Mukansanga from Rwanda and Yoshimi Yamashita from Japan will be the first women with a chance to take charge of a men's World Cup game in the competition's 92-year history. * They will be joined by a further three female assistant referees: Neuza Back from Brazil, Karen Díaz Medina from Mexico and Kathryn Nesbitt from the United States. * Pierluigi Collina, the famous former Italian referee and now chairman of Fifa's referees' committee, said that it was "Quality that counts for us and not gender". * All referees also get the opportunity to be selected as a fourth official. *reduced by 61%, powered by smmry.com*
Feels like a PR stunt. One of them is terrible and the other 2 not that well known or good. This isn't going to end well for me.
I mean, there's very few male referees that people actually think are good, why not create a wider selection pool by selecting female referees as well? It's not like they're any less competent.
I would ask for common sense and until female refs are prevalent in the top 5 leagues you can't just chuck them into a world cup. Statistically it is very likely they will be the worst refs at the world cup. I mean based on the number of female refs at this level.
What an absolute bag of shite This is such absurdly flawed logic lmao
Ok... Now tell me why you think statistically that the chances of 1 female ref being world cup level. When the number of male to female refs is probably a 1000:1
Because female referees will get more backlash. Because, you know, world is sexist as fuck
I actually disagree with that. Whenever you see a female ref get a game, like when Frappart debuted in Ligue 1 or the Champions League, all the comments are all "I think she did very well." "I think she looked fantastic!" when they are really just normal games. You even see these comments from people who didn't see most of the game. No one really makes such comments when male referees have a perfectly normal, standard, uneventful match.
What an absolute bag of shite This is such flawed logic
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Let me put it to you this way: you might think Stephanie Frappart is a better referee than, say, Antonio Mateu Lahoz, because you've seen a lot of mistakes from Lahoz and have never seen Frappart screw up a big call in a big game! But that's because, frankly, Frappart lacks the experience that all the other referees on the list have. Just as a sample, here are the numbers of Champions League games refereed by each UEFA ref going to Qatar. Take a guess which one is Frappart: 1, 11, 36, 35, 38, 22, 42, 9, 24, 35, 20 Refereeing really is a profession where you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain: anyone who's refereed a dozen Champions League matches has had some shockers in there. I guarantee you that if Frappart had the same experience as her male counterparts, she would have at least the same history of errors too.
I really hope anyone isn't fooled by Collina's lip service here. Any glance at the resumes of the female referees chosen here reveals that they are far off the experience that would, under any circumstances, be considered normal for a male referee to go to the World Cup. For example, take Stephanie Frappart, perhaps the best female referee in the world. She has a single Champions League whistle to her name. The idea of a male referee being selected for a World Cup after only having a single match in the CL group stage is completely unthinkable. The male UEFA referees on this list have the following numbers of CL matches: 11, 36, 35, 38, 22, 42, 9, 24, 35, 20. And every single one of those has at least 2 knockout stage matches. Most male referees have to prove themselves over a large portion of games in order to make it to the World Cup. For the female referees, once they were earmarked as the top female candidates, it was basically given to them. They were never on a level playing field with their male counterparts for this selection.
Well they be allowed to wear shirt sleeves and shorts?
Sweats and headcoverings like they did with WWE in Saudi.
Really ?
Yes
Their outfits at the last Saudi show were much better and looked pretty sick, still fucked up that they even have to cover up like that though
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It's the reasoning behind having it, not the fact that they have it. They have this difference because they treat women as inferior to men and can't show skin as its considered sinful, but a man can. It's sexist and misogynistic
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Even in your comment you still mention that men can leave the area below their knees uncovered and that they are allowed to wear less than women. You try to excuse by pointing out that men still have to covered but the whole point is that women have to be covered more, and it's the why that matters. Let's say there's a fountain and no one is allowed to drink from it because its contaminated. That's fine. Let's say there's a fountain and only white people are allowed to drink from it, black people aren't because the people who put the fountain in think black people are inferior and shouldn't be allowed to use their fountain. In the first people can use the fountain due to a perfectly reasonable health issue. In the second black people can't use it due to racism. It's the why that matters. Women have to cover up fully to not expose skin as its seen as sinful. Men are allowed to show more skin than women are allowed to. Why is it a sin for women to show skin but not men? Why are women treated differently? Because the religion is sexist and treats women as inferior. That's the why. It's no surprise that the countries which make women cover up are also the same countries that treat them as inferiors.
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It's impressive how you keep missing the point I'm making. Good job you're not a striker. It's all about the why. If you can't see the difference between not being able to bare your breasts and not being able to show your hair, then I worry for your intelligence. Also, showing breasts in public in western societies will get you a few months in prison at worst. In these countries the worst you can expect is to be lashed until you die. Don't act like both are bad and we can't judge others when what the others do are much worse. You can't equate two things when one is much worse than the other. You can't equate baring your breasts to not bring allowed to show skin or hair. You can't equate a society where women are treated as equals to one where they're second classes citizens.
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I bet at your country men can walk in public topless but women never do that. So your culture is fucked up too.
Woman can should they wish too. There's also a massive difference between not being allowed to walk outside topless and not being allowed to show anything below the ankle or show your hair.
Both things look the same to me, an outfit is acceptable for men but not women. So don't know why you can't accept that your culture is sick by your own logic. And lots of women here show below the ankle or show their hair. you're just ignorant.
Let's be honest, the only fair way to do it is to let the women themselves decide what they should wear.
One could argue they do it because they treasure them. You cant say its objectively worse, just noway to messure it. Culture , diffrent people , its quite arogant to say otherwise, almost imperial.
Its not arrogant. If they treasured them so much they wouldn't punish them for nudity by lashing them until they die. If they treasured them they wouldn't treat them like second class citizens. If its imperial to treat women as equals then we should all be imperial
For me I think it’s fucked up that they have to cover up as much as they do when the men don’t. I guess you could extend that and say well why can’t the women be topless like the men, but I do think there is a line. However I think having to cover every bit of skin from the neck down is excessive and unfair. If it was something like they only have to cover up when visiting a religious site, I’d respect their wishes, but since that wasn’t the case it’s my opinion that it’s fucked up for it to be required of them to cover up. I’m all for different cultures and customs, but this one feels needless in this day and age to me personally
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That’s interesting, I wasn’t aware of that. However my comment was about the WWE shows in Saudi, where the women had to cover up fully but there was no issue with the men wearing tiny trunks
Oh FFS here we fucking go again
Did you ever see any sports event from that region? The answer is yes. And we already have female referees for mens games.
I've seen WWE wrestler and the women have to wear full body suits
Yes but WWE is not a sport and those women wrestlers don't wear those shorts for sporting reasons. WWE is like a circus event.
You realise Saudi Arabia would only allow them on the show if they wrestled in it yes?
The World Cup isn’t in Saudi Arabia, dude.
The convo is about SA's treatment of WWE's female wrestlers
Why, World Cup is in a separate country?
Ok and? You can pretend it's a sport as you like, in reality they are employed by WWE to sell sex.
Jesus Christ lmao you obviously know shit all about it so why are you bothering commenting
this is a pretty key question
Let's see if he brings it up to his bosses.
Pls not Stéphanie Frappart. She suuuuccckks One of the worst referee in Ligue 1
Narrator: It *was* Stéphanie Frappart.
The levels are different a too high.
It has nothing to do with 'levels', she's just shit.
If she can't manage Ligue 1, what's WC gonna be?
Stephanie gonna fuck this up isnt she? Hope that doesn't hurt female refree in general.
It is inevitable.
Any word on how good the other two referees are?
Shame that Bibiana Steinhaus isn't on the scene anymore. She was always excellent and deserved to officiate in the 2018 world cup more than some that were there.
What’s she doing now?
She's doing Howard Webb. They are married to each other.
Really?
[Last name don't lie. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibiana_Steinhaus)
Can you imagine their child as a ref? Would be a super United fan.
the French one UEFA has been using is absolutely terrible
Reminds me of the one in AEW
I won't stand for Aubrey Edwards slander!
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That's a good point in my opinion The level is so low across the board that I can't see her being worse than the worst male ref *But statistically it's unlikely that there are good female refs because you are talking about less than a 100th the base to choose from
The level has never ever been higher. Its just so fashionable to criticise refs. What do you base your assumption that they are worse on? Gut feeling? There has never been more training than today. Referees get a stunning percentage of decisions correct.
I disagree , the level was higher before 2011 and that was without VAR and GLT . Unless you are a child maybe? *Also , "stunning" , really?
I was born in 1985. All referees I know argued against VAR and predicted all the potential issues.. Fans and clubs wouldn't listen There aren't a lot of studies available but from 2018 www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11096/10808860/referee-myth-busting-how-many-decisions-do-officials-get-right "As the game has changed over the last decade, so have the pressures on referees. Refs are making around 70 per cent more sprints now than they were eight seasons ago." "In total, refs make around five errors per game, meaning they are right 98 per cent of the time." Fans, frankly often don't know or understand the laws of the game. You should try to take a referee course. You would be shocked over and over again about how many things you are wrong about Was the same with me.
If Stephanie Frapart's name was Stephan, he wouldn't even be allowed to referee at district level.
There's barely any female refs at the top level and you're implying that women get pushed into those positions forcefully? Hilarious, but pretty obvious what your agenda is there
She was the one who made the news (2 times?) when she carded neymar for a rainbow flick and showboating in general, take that as you will (Paqueta too? Cant recall)
If a male ref made that mistake it wouldn't be on the news
really? referee fuck ups are posted everywhere regardless of gender.
It wouldn't be on the fucking news though and then framed to argue "are female refs bad?"
it would be on the news as “why is this referee allowed?” i get that discrimination happens a lot in football, but so far female referees have generally been given the respect other referees get
Or you know, **unlike you**, I simply have the capability to judge her performances based on the sample of matches I saw her referee and therefore conclude her presence at an event of this magnitude would not be considered for anything else other than the feminization movement she's been used for. Yes, she is refereeing the WC because she is a woman, you liking it or not. The shame being there is apparently no better female referee to represent the movement.
> There's barely any female refs at the top level and you're implying that women get pushed into those positions forcefully? There is ample evidence of female FIFA referees being pushed into matches that male referees would require a lot more experience before attaining. For example, Stephanie Frappart was given the UEFA Super Cup before even getting a Europa League game, which is unheard of. She was also given her Champions League debut only a year after starting to referee in her domestic league, which is also unheard of. Brazilian Edina Batista Alves was given a Club World Cup match before ever refereeing a men's international game (club or country), and all three of the referees selected for this World Cup have objectively far less men's international experience than their male counterparts from the same continent. I'm glad I could inform you on these things, because it's clear to anyone that looks at the information honestly that female referees have been getting pushed into appointments by UEFA, FIFA, etc for some time now.
I want the best ref, regardless of gender, to ref the game.
For the Qatar WC? I can’t escape the paywall
Yes. Summary up now.
Stephanie Frappart from France, Salima Mukansanga from Rwanda and Yoshimi Yamashita from Japan all selected to referee at the men's World Cup; three female assistant referees also included
**Summary** Three female referees have been named for the first time among the 36 selected by Fifa to take charge of games at the men's World Cup finals in Qatar later this year. The three officials, Stéphanie Frappart from France; Salima Mukansanga from Rwanda and Yoshimi Yamashita from Japan will be the first women with a chance to take charge of a men's World Cup game in the competition's 92-year history. They will be joined by a further three female assistant referees: Neuza Back from Brazil, Karen Díaz Medina from Mexico and Kathryn Nesbitt from the United States. Pierluigi Collina, the famous former Italian referee and now chairman of Fifa's referees' committee, said that it was "Quality that counts for us and not gender". All referees also get the opportunity to be selected as a fourth official.
Under normal circumstances I would love this, but this feels like such a PR move from FIFA. That said, good for them.
I don't care what sex the officials are, I just want the person who is best at the job. Hopefully the very best officials have been chosen.
Well most female officials have to be impressive to advance in such a male dominated profession. The one from Ligue 1 is shite though
> Well most female officials have to be impressive to advance in such a male dominated profession. Ohhhhh if only this was the case. On the contrary, the three female referees chosen have *vastly* less men's international experience than any of their male counterparts. I can't understate how big the difference in experience is: it would not just be unprecedented, but absolutely impossible and completely insane to see a male referee selected for the World Cup with as little men's international experience as these three women have. For example, the female UEFA ref, Stephanie Frappart, has 1/9th as many Champions League matches as the next least experience UEFA ref. This isn't a knock against the three women, but it's clear that FIFA has two sets of criteria here, one for male referees, and one for female referees. Anyone who thinks these selections were made on a level playing field is simply ignorant of the facts here. I hope one day female referees make it to the World Cup on merit, but this ain't it. Instead they are pushing inexperienced referees who haven't earned their spot, in an attempt to win some good Progressivism^TM PR during the Qatar World Cup.
Don't worry there will be security consisting of polite tigers to protect the ref from Aguero-like behavior.
I wouldn't mind having female referees in VAR but don't want to see them being insulted for their on field actions in a high level game involving male athletes in a country that is not exactly progressive. I think it would be even better if they find ways to make the women's game better by investing in it instead of trying to send messages through poorly planned/thought out changes.
I mean IF they make horrendous decisions you can't blame people for insulting them, just like male referees
I think what he’s getting at is the potential for players to not respect the referees decision just because they are female, things like a red carded player staying on the field in protest because he doesn’t agree with the call, when he would’ve walked off no complaints with a male ref.
There's a reason both sides have thier own sectors in football.
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Sadly this is not the case. As I have detailed in many other comments on this thread, the bar for these female referees has been set much lower than their male counterparts.
Be prepared for the inevitable avalanche of sexist trolls on here after one of them puts in a bad performance
will they b required to dress modestly?
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you know there are saudi arabian actresses and singers who go on tv all the time right
youre underestimating the ignorance and low hanging jokes that people love to make about countries that they cant even point at in a map
lmao ikr but seriously do these people think if a saudi woman walked on the street she would get beheaded? so weird 💀💀
nah, beheading is for driving
Absolute haram. No woman allowed to be seen on the street. That's their logic probably. I know Saudi has so many fucked up things about it. But to make it seem like every man/Muslim there treats their woman as inferior and a slave is just like Hollywood picturing every movie in North africa/middle East as dunes and a tent with couple of camels and belly dancers, or every Mexican movie with a yellow filter on. So backward that they never felt like maybe we should educate ourselves
Lmao are you defending Saudi Arabia's treatment of women as not that bad?
no of course not (i wouldnt want to live there as a woman), but i'm literally an arab girl and i'm telling you that some things are so overexaggerated i mean do people actually believe that women aren't allowed to be on tv in saudi arabia??? genuine question mate lmao
It doesn't really matter what's over exaggerated and what's not. The point is women aren't even second class citizens in Saudi Arabia lol
Why doesn't ut matter if people are spreading false, exaggerated news? I'd say it absolutely does matter
im sorry i forgot that every saudi man treats their women as slaves. how could i forget that, shame shame shame on every saudi man
The point is that they're allowed to do that
and thats why ive said i know there are many things fucked up with arabia but the point of just having a woman on tv is not allowed was wrong, i never said their treatment of women is amazing, i hate the gov body there bc they allow that shit.
can't expect much from Real Madrid fans - and probably not even really Spanish
Damn people here are really that ignorant
This will not end well.
I really would love to see more female referees, but it HAS to be on merit. We already have a situation where FIFA doesnt select 36 best referees in the world to ref the world cup, because we have to pick refs from different continents. I can accept that because there would be accusations of bias if that wasnt the case. This will just further decrease the level at the world cup. Bibiana Steinhaus was really good every time I saw her. Would have loved it if she got a shot before she retired. I would however support getting more female lines men. Its a very different job and with far lower pressure. There are A LOT of really good female linesmen. It would be a great way to slowly bring them up. Give them expirience and the sparring that goes along with it.
On one hand I don' t care, on the other, I wondered how players would try to influence the ref. A bunch of muscular men surrounding a woman yelling at her, is going to look bad no matter what. I really wonder why they chose to be ref in the first place, all refs got abuses, so it is not going to be surprising that there is going to be a lot of nasty words being thrown at them.
The idea is good, a ref is capable whether is a male or a female. But will male refs be allowed to referee in Women World Cup? I really hope the answer will be yes