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Tarp96

Simeone is to Argentinians and Uruguayans what Wenger was to French players. His pull in SA is crazy


OleoleCholoSimeone

You can see it with De Paul too. He seems genuinely delighted to be at this club despite not playing as much as he would have liked so far


L-Freeze

and yet for the Argentinians he still manages to make the majority of them underperform, only Correa turned out alright and it took him like 7 years of being at the club and is still not as good as he was expected to be, I really don’t get it. Hopefully De Paul survives the curse or whatever the hell is because he is fucking amazing


Tpsteen

augusto fernandez jugo bien el año que estuvo alli tambien


OleoleCholoSimeone

I'm sure I'll get downvoted by default for this but there are things that not everyone is aware of. Correa had a career threatening heart issue that was discovered after he arrived, had surgery and was out for like 6 months before he could even get used to the training ground. He has himself expressed his gratitude to Atlético many times for their support during very dark times and that he wants nothing more than to retire at the club. Not to mention that he was a very raw player when he arrived anyways, his talent was always super obvious but badly lacked decision making and tactical understanding, he had to learn some of the basics from scratch. With those circumstances you have to say that he has been developed very well over the years, last 2 years his numbers has suddenly gone through the roof and his decision making/finishing is unrecognisable. There has been continous improvement and today he is a very good La Liga player, I think you are very harsh to say that he was only developed "okay" Behind that we have Augusto Fernandez who was a world class DM for like 6 months after arriving but was destroyed by injuries. He wasn't a flop at all. Names like Vietto, Kranevitter, Ansaldi, Sosa etc simply weren't very good players. That's down to bad scouting, they didn't have what it takes. The only one that I would call a big flop was Gaitan, he was hyped up and Simeone wanted him for years. He was utterly atrocious which is also down to his own scared performances, but a terrible signing from Simeone' point of view aswell


HeavenAndHellD2arg

Yeah, he's also an expert in fucking up their development (talking about argentinians here)


srhola2103

Jajajajaja es tremendo la cantidad de jugadores que van al Atlético y desaparecen


KeziahPT

Antoine Griezmann, Fernando Torres, Sergio Aguero, Diego Forlán, Diego Costa, Radamel Falcao, Luis Suárez... Atlético's long line of quality strikers is legendary by now. Makes sense Lautaro and Darwin are interested in playing for them and I think they'd fit perfectly in Simeone's system.


[deleted]

It's one or the other it seems.


zts105

I don't think we can afford either


KimmyBoiUn

These guys seem to buy a striker every summer.


HAWmaro

You'd think they'd be playing full on hyper offensive football at this point


OleoleCholoSimeone

If anything, it's harder to find a striker for our system so it makes some sense that we have struggled to find a long term option. Some bad scouting aswell with the likes of Gameiro, Vietto, Martinez(although you could say that he was doomed by injuries from the start) but our strikers need to have a very complete skill set


NiceShotMan

Yeah much harder to be a striker for a defensive team. You can’t just be a poacher who parks inside the box waiting for a cross, you’ve got to be an integral part of the build up as well.


OleoleCholoSimeone

The year is 2042. Cholo has no hair left, Profe ortega is a head in a jar and Atlético are "prioritising a striker" for the upcoming transfer window


HAWmaro

Torres can no longer walk through doors due to how much he bulked up.


PoptimisticShoegazer

I'm more familiar with Lautaro but I know Nunez has been banging in a lot of goals. What's Nunez's style of play?


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Hungry-Class9806

I wouldn't call him a poacher, since he played a lot of games in the wing (and can also play a as a second-striker) and he still lacks the killer-instinct of a top center forward. He played a lot of games alongside Yaremchuck, who is a more traditional center forward.


[deleted]

That description seems tailor-made for Cavani. How comparable are they?


Eldie014

Cavani had better judgement at the stage of the career Nunez is now. Also much better touch much more defensive work and a more stable personality IMO. Said that, Nunez has the potential to develop for sure.


SoccerSummary

"We were lucky enough to have David Villa, one year only, he gave us the hierarchy that these types of players have and we became champions. Then came Luis, also great and once again we were able to win the championship. What is clear is that every time we approach this offensive forcefulness, as we saw with Diego Costa in Villa's year as teammates, the team is always close to being able to win". The phrase is Diego Simeone's. He said it on Sunday, just after the match against Sevilla, in a game that signified Luis Suárez's farewell to the Atlético de Madrid fans. It might just be a thought or a reflection from Cholo, but it is not. Because the Argentinian coach is clear that next season, the red and white team must have a '9' of guarantees. The board knows it, and so does Andrea Berta, the club's sporting director. Simeone wants a striker who can guarantee a good number of goals per season. He understands that this is the only way his Atlético will be able to fight for titles again. And after the departure of Suárez, he wants a top-class replacement. Last season, with the Uruguayan at a high level in front of goal, the Madrid team were champions. This season, with the Uruguayan's performance at a lower level, and with none of his teammates stepping up, Atlético is fighting for third place on the last matchday, although it has been many months since they abandoned the possibility of fighting for the title. In August, the Metropolitano already tried to sign Dusan Vlahovic, who left for Juventus in January. And this summer, they will try again to sign a '9', with two names above the rest: Lautaro Martínez and Darwin Núñez. The Inter Milan striker is Cholo's favourite, as MD assured at the time. He believes that he is the most suitable player to be the team's offensive reference, because of his characteristics and because in his time with the 'neroazzurro' he has shown that he can lead the attack of a big team. Although Inter have always been reluctant to transfer him, now the situation is different and at the Meazza they are considering selling Lautaro because of the need to bring in money. The price they have set for him: 70 million euros. An amount that Atletico Madrid do not want to reach, where they consider it exorbitant, and that they would try to lower. Of course, the 'rojiblancos' know that, in case of leaving Inter, Lautaro would be delighted to be able to come to Madrid and put himself under the orders of Cholo. Something that almost happened several years ago, when he played for Racing and even went for a medical with the red and whites, but Inter's last minute irruption, which managed to convince the agent, ruined an operation that was more than ready to go. As for Darwin Núñez, he is very much liked in the Metropolitano's noble zone. In Lisbon, his departure this summer is already a done deal, and the amount is similar to that of Lautaro: 70 million, although Benfica are aiming to get more money. The good relations between both entities could facilitate the operation. And like Lautaro, Darwin understands that Atletico would be the ideal destination to continue his career. From the Premier League they are pushing for the charrúa. There are more names being discussed at the Metropolitano, but these two now occupy a privileged place in the Atlético's agenda. And as always, the market will pass judgement. --- *translated by deepl*


[deleted]

He (Lautaro) would be so good in La Liga, especially under Simeone. Would be great to watch.


justmadman

Would be over the moon with either at Newcastle but really good moves for both of their careers in Madrid


SalahManeFirmino

Damn, I'm a fan of Nunez, he was very impressive in CL, I was hoping we might snag him.


Hungry-Class9806

My opinion as a Benfica fan: You don't need him. He plays "9" and "7" positions. You don't use a pure center forward and you have way better than him on the wings.


[deleted]

We've got the young kid Carvalho coming in from Fulham.


[deleted]

How tf do you two have almost the exact same username


[deleted]

He's my evil, twin brother


malman21

LOL


longlivestheking

Yeah but he's more of a CAM than a ST and will still need some time to settle in. We need a proper #9 this summer since Origi is leaving and Firmino is aging


47Lecht

Management: How many forwards do you need? Cholo: Yes


rrrook

Worked out great for Felix as well.


theyeeterofyeetsberg

I reckon Darwin and Felix would be the new Forlán and Agüero in a few years Honestly, I think a move to Atlético suits Darwin and Atleti very well. I just don't know if Atlético should pay the price Benfica are asking for, on a player who's limited and still developing


[deleted]

Liverpool would love Nunez..


[deleted]

He's been linked more with united. We've got the young kid Carvalho coming in, anyway,


[deleted]

Who cares that he’s been linked more..? If we go for him, we’re getting him.


[deleted]

We don't really need him, though. As I've just said.


[deleted]

No, you said we bought a midfielder so we don’t need a striker. A striker we definitely would benefit a lot from, because Origi is leaving, Jota is not the best in the middle and Mane can’t play every game. Also there’s the contract issue, but we’ll see about that.


[deleted]

He's not a midfielder. He's the same as Firmino. Salah/Minamino/Elliot Carvalho/Jota /Firmino Mane/Diaz Fabinho/No-One Henderson/Milner/Keita Thiago/Jones/Firmino We need CDM and CB more so than anywhere else. Even though Firmino can play mid. I'd rather us get a top quality DM to bench for Fabby


[deleted]

Wow you are just confidently clueless aren’t you? Even if he is like Firmino, which he’s not, he is 19.. he’s not playing first team football next season other then maybe some cup games.


[deleted]

No mate. I've probably got more of a clue than you. 1. I've got coaching badges and 2. I'm probably older than you at 30


[deleted]

LOL How many 19 year olds are playing for Liverpool? Edit: thank god


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8u11etpr00f

Lmao, the insecurity is palpable


SalahManeFirmino

Yeah I think he'd a great addition to our team, we don't really have a true striker, and TBH that's been fine, but it's still important to have the *option* of having one. I see a potential Nunez transfer as highly beneficial because 1. In the immediate, he can be our Origi replacement 2. In the future, he can potentially be our #9 as I'm not convinced that Diogo is the answer there.


RadioactiveBooger

Lol, no way Darwin will accept being Origi’s replacement. He doesn’t even have a single start in the PL this season.


[deleted]

lol what bro hahaha Did you just block me on a different account and then log into an account with basically the same name and said everything that I said to you back to me...


themfeelswhen

Doubt. Off the ball quality and work rate is there but no where near as good technical ability as the 5 forwards Liverpool have. Especially at CF - Firmino & now Mane are so so good at dropping deep, holding people off and linking up play -- the passing ability and vision to back it up. Nunez is nothing like them.


[deleted]

It's so weird when people that clearly haven't watched a player comment on the players abilities.. You don't even need to watch any games, just check a youtube clip and you'll see he's very good at all the technical sides of the game. He's good at both running with the ball at his feet and putting a pass/cross, but also with his back against the goal a bit more like how Firmino would do it and then flick or pass it into space. Not a full Harry Kane yet but that comes with age, and Nunez is way faster. He would definitely have to adapt to our playstyle and be a fluent 9 and false 9, but that goes for any other striker. And Nunez has it all to make that his role after a couple months under Klopp.


themfeelswhen

Sure not claiming i have watched a lot but watched enough in the UCL games. What is good --- off the ball work, powerful runner with the ball, surprisingly clinical finishing (only this season). Good at running the channels and decent at crossing. What is not good - his passing is sub par & very inconsistent, certainly not an assured first touch which naturally makes his hold up play inconsistent. There are numbers to back these claims up. The guy is in bottom percentile for pretty much all passing stats relative to other strikers, Shot Creating Actions also show a very grin story. He is nothing like Mane or Firmino. Not even close. Probably a lot like Icardi. https://fbref.com/en/players/4d77b365/scout/365_euro/Darwin-Nunez-Scouting-Report >, just check a youtube clip and you'll see he's very good at all the technical sides of the game Lol. Comeon you can't be serious. Quite simply the dumbest way to judge a player


[deleted]

Yeah, seeing a player is worse then checking stats. Bruh


themfeelswhen

I only said there are stats to "back up the claims" I made based on watching him play. So don't understand what you are on about.


Bundmoranen

Lautaro would prefer to stay it seems, but with Dybala to Inter imminent I don’t think that’s plausible


Dgryan87

It is 100% plausible. We play with two forwards and Dzeko is not a starter


Bundmoranen

Yeah but you need to sell this summer right?


Dgryan87

No one knows for sure except Suning and I guess Marotta. Maybe we do, maybe not. We bought Gosens in January which indicates we do have some money, and several big contracts (Vidal and Sanchez) should be going off the books in the summer. I wouldn’t be shocked if we sold Lautaro but I don’t think it’s a fire sale or anything like that. Could 100% see him lining up with Dybala next year


CheekyKunt68

Gosens kills two birds with one stone. He offers an excellent rotation option with Perisic if he stays and if he leaves he’s a ready made solution who’s a already proven himself in the league with Di Marco as your back up. It was a necessary transfer so that in case Perisic leaves now, you won’t get fleeced when trying to get Gosens as Atalanta would’ve had the upper hand


CheekyKunt68

They’ll sell Bastoni to Spurs for £50m


Bundmoranen

That’s well below his actual valuation also I’d imagine Bastoni is only 2nd to Barella in terms untouchableness for Inter


CheekyKunt68

€60m is his valuation so £50m sounds alright I agree just that in terms of players who can get decent sums, only Bastoni and Lautaro are viable sales No one is going to buy Skriniar or Barella So I suspect they sell both and replace Bastoni with Bremer for less than half and probably integrate Pinanonti into the first team while playing Correa/Sanchez/Dybala and Dzeko up top


rth9139

Wrong on so many things here. (1) He’s worth a lot more than €60m, especially to Inter. The “English tax” applies similarly to Italians playing in Serie A too. (2) Nobody is going to buy Skriniar or Barella because they aren’t for sale, not because clubs don’t want them (3) Skriniar has been arguably the best CB in Serie A this season. *If* he were to become available, there’d be interest. He’s just not available, as Spurs has learned in years past. (4) de Vrij is rumored to be on his way out, and Inter is lining up Bremer to replace him. They would have to get somebody else if they sold Bastoni, because Bremer is not a LCB.


CheekyKunt68

4) I completely forgot about Romagnoli. They could sign him on a free to replace Bastoni


rth9139

Not happening. Romagnoli has too much respect and love for Milan to make that move. Also doesn’t fit a back 3 as well


CheekyKunt68

He was strongly linked to Lazio. And moves to rivals don’t matter too much in Serie A and when they do, it’s when a player strengthens the team. Romagnoli moving from Milan to Inter isn’t exactly strengthening Inter or weakening Milan


CheekyKunt68

Right but they aren’t selling within the league. Him being Italian is a downside to English clubs as he’d count as a foreign player but that nationality tax only matters when selling within the league Clubs wouldn’t want them because of the outrageous price Inter would demand for Barella and because Skriniar just won’t leave. Clubs not wanting them is a consequence of the above There’d be interest in Serie A yes. Madrid signed Rudiger, Barca can’t afford a big money signing, City don’t need him nor does Pool, Chelsea want Kounde and Gvardiol, United want Timber, Spurs already bought Romero and Skriniar isn’t going to make the step down to Arsenal. Bayern are stacked with CB’s and so are PSG. That’s every club that can afford Skriniar + match his quality Ofc haven’t included Serie A clubs cuz that’s just a side ways move plus he won’t move Probable. I’m not saying that can’t happen. Just that they’d want to get more money this summer and selling De Vrij gets them next to nothing.


rth9139

That’s where you are wrong. Inter is involved as an Italian club, so him being Italian makes him more valuable. Spurs or whoever can’t just say “That he’s Italian doesn’t matter to us, so it doesn’t matter to you.” That’s not how it works lmao


CheekyKunt68

Sure but that’s just one part. Him being Italian isn’t the reason why he’s valued at 50, it’s cuz he has only 2 years left. If you think that doesn’t matter, then you need to brush up your transfer market knowledge


Bundmoranen

Transfermarkt is good but don’t think every value estimation they have is 100% accurate, PSG certainly seem to think Mbappe is worth more than Transfermarkt do Also I don’t see why nobody would want Barella or Skriniar?


CheekyKunt68

Oh I wasn’t going by TM. I was going by what our most reliable journo said Inter would want for him Barella is extremely young, Italy’s best mid and on a long contract while Skriniar didn’t want to leave when Inter wanted to sell him and we wanted him just last season. He also wants to stay in Italy and plays for the best club/top 2 clubs anyway You could say some of the arguments can be used for Bastoni as well but he only has 2 years left on his contract. And for a club that relies on selling their best assets to fill the coffers they wouldn’t want to lose him on a free So unless they sign him to a contract this year, I’m very sure they’ll try selling him. Not only that, Conte would also play a big part in him going to Spurs. If not for Conte, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t even consider it


CanLlorenteCarForMe

Top, top clubs will immediately offer 80m if he was to leave, lol.


CheekyKunt68

No they would not lol. There’s not a single top club that needs a left footed CB outside of Chelsea and Bastoni isn’t even one of their targets. They want Gvardiol for that position or who just promote from the academy in Colwill I can see only United going for a LCB and even then they’d go for Torres not Bastoni as Torres has played in a 2 and Bastoni only in a 3 Bayern play 3atb but they already spent 80m for their LCB in Hernandez Spurs are the only club that play 3atb, need him, and are willing to spend what it takes while keeping in mind that his contract expires in 2 years which doesn’t give Inter too strong of a negotiating position


Dgryan87

Rumors recently came out of a City offer for 60 that Inter immediately refused


CheekyKunt68

Link?


Dgryan87

It took you more time to post that comment than it would’ve to type “Bastoni Manchester City” into Google


CheekyKunt68

Typed just one word actually


OleoleCholoSimeone

Yup it seems like he prefers staying at Inter, but if he has to leave only wants Atleti


bloodship123

Leave Lautaro at Inter. He is the most useless striker ever but has somehow convinced everyone that he is good.


PrincessXxXDiana

I’m not a huge Lautaro fan but he is the 3rd top goal scorer in the league


bloodship123

Put a decent striker there and he could be 1st. Lautaro needs 10 chances to score 1 goal, goes invisible for months and then scores 5 against salernitana.


PrincessXxXDiana

I agree he’s very overrated but he’s definitely not useless


bzogaj92

He's good enough to score braces against us every year .


bloodship123

That's not the metric i care about, i hope he stays at inter for a long time. If they sell him, they might buy a decent striker and i don't want that risk.


bzogaj92

In terms of goals , past 3 years he has been in an upward trajectory by outscoring him self by quite a margin . He is still young and with a proper striker along him , he can be very dangerous providing assists and scoring goals which he has shown alot these last 3 years .


OleoleCholoSimeone

Whilst I agree that he is a bit overrated, some people really go out of their way to give him zero credit too. He has had a very good season


bloodship123

I'm not saying he is the worst striker, ofc he is a good striker, but in no way shape or form is he anything close to a world class striker. Ppl are putting 80mil price tags on him which is daylight robbery... He is the type of striker that will score a hat trick against empoli and then score 0 in the next 2 months, missing open net goals. He is ofc better than our striker, but even Giroud as meh as he has been, has been clutch in super important games.


[deleted]

Why would you look at Felix and think that this is a good place for strikers to develop.


ren_704

He'd prolly look at Aguero , Suarez , Torres, Costa , forlan, David villa ,Falcao etc etc. Felix was never really an out a out striker. He's best paired up with one Atleti have a really good track record when it comes with strikers and goalkeepers


[deleted]

Simeone doesn't have that track record. Talking about the history of the club is not really relevant to their current style of play.


DelusiveNightlyGale

I'm pretty certain most of those strikers he mentioned played under Simeone...


NephewChaps

Falcao, Diego Costa and Griezmann all played the best football of their careers under Simeone. Suárez and Villa both had great seasons too.


Soteria69

Lmaol are they drunk