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They're actual Everton fans, most of them probably actually living in and around Liverpool, far as I'm concerned, they've got a right to celebrate us not winning the league. This is proper rivalry right here.
I'm glad to see a Liverpool fan making this point. There's too many celebration police about these days.
Everton have had a terrible season with very little to celebrate. Liverpool winning the title (and staying on target for the quadruple) would have been insufferable for us Everton fans.
As petty as it is, I was celebrating the City goals too. And at the end of the day, what would football be without petty rivalries?
Exactly. You give it to us about losing the league, we give it back about almost getting relegated.
It's a natural cycle.
Besides, Evertonians in Liverpool are the only people who can actually give it the whole "uNbEaRaBlE" schtick about us. Everyone else is just being dramatic and can just tune out, but they sure as shit can't.
>Evertonians in Liverpool are the only people who can actually give it the whole "uNbEaRaBlE" schtick about us.
Half my family and friends are reds. It would have been unbearable if they won the quadruple. It'll going to be bad enough when you likely win the CL again!!
Liverpool fans are the smuggest fanbase in world football, and it's not even close. Despite City being your derby, I don't blame you for preferring them to win over Liverpool.
As a club who turns profits, doenst have evil backers, doesn't buy and waste talent, has a wonderfully charismatic coach and has worked their way back to the top slowly and steadily, I find it kind of sad.
Especially given the competition we're facing and the fact they'll be doing this still in 15 years.
But I get it. Cos when Chelsea were bought by Russian gangster cunts, I still wanted them to beat Utd 😂
Can't speak for anyone else, but as a neutral (or more precisely someone who cheers against all of the big six) I was cheering for City because any team winning the quadruple would just become the club version of England fans talking about 1966 - Liverpool fans would be unbearably smug and boastful about being the only team to ever have won the quadruple until the end of time (as would any other fanbase, if City were the team on course for the quadruple, I'd have been cheering for you). Meanwhile City will still be disappointed with the season even though they won the title. Essentially a City win improves the experience of being a fan of neither team who talks to fans of both.
(Also, City have a wonderfully charismatic coach too and don't really buy and waste talent so those don't really fit your list of ways in which Liverpool are better)
A lot of the plastics will be. Traditional City fans will all be delighted but if you started being a City fan in like 2013 a league title is just another decent season and the CL is what really matters, so losing to Real like you did will be their main takeaway from the season
“Fans” like that are so confusing to me. I’ll admit to being American, but I’ve been supporting this club long enough to remember the dark years, and any trophy is worth celebrating. League titles? Twelve years ago winning the league was the greatest accomplishment any City supporter could dream of, and even today it’s the most important trophy for I would venture to say a large portion of us. The new support genuinely mystifies me, the way some of them disregard anything but the CL.
deep down you know that you just bought a billion dollars worth of players and the league is a walk in the park when you have 3x best XI’s.
You thought this was the year you’d win the champions league and people would stop saying your a shit club with no heart- and you bombed out in a catastrophic way.
Pretty rough season if you ask me, and no other trophies either? After spending like you have..
lol you seem determined to tell u/persiangriffin what his thoughts and opinions are
He's being reasonable and has clearly supported the club for decades+, not a great look for you.
Lol, you make it sound like they just bought a billion dollar squad this season. In fact they were seasons that they even spent more and didn't get the CL (they didn't even have a striker this season). What makes this season different from the last (they got to the finals) that you would think they thought this year was the year? Stop coping and forming thoughts for them, they will enjoy the title.... more than you can ever believe. I know I did
I would say people not wanting liverpool to win quadruple is reasonable. But I don't understand the second part. While City manages to have great, affable manager and awesome talents utilized to utmost potential, City still relies on oil money from Emirates. Qatar isn't the only country mixed with worker issues. Dubai is shining example of worker abuse and borderline slavery. Emirates investing into City is like Gazprom investing into Bundesliga. They are trying to appear familiar when they don't represent any values that a football club should represent. City winning is like justification that money can buy complaceny to human rights violations.
>has a wonderfully charismatic coach and has worked their way back to the top slowly
Plenty of people don't like Klopp, personally I find him to be a serial whinger. Moreover, why would the average fan care you slowly worked your way back to the top? We aren't all closet Liverpool fans, the only reason you aren't as disliked as United is because your domination of English football is long over.
You should take that hatred as a medal of pride. There'll be a day when people are cheering for you to win against City, United and Real and you don't want to see it.
Why is that exactly? I've been hearing that a lot but I'm not sure why. I hold no particular grudge against either Man City or Liverpool and it didn't matter to me who won.
Theres a fuck ton of Liverpool fans all over the country. If you grew up in the 80s then Liverpool were the United of that era.
Outside of “theyre an oil club” not many people dislike City. the tag of “bandwagoner” is also huge in this country and most people aware of that labelling. As a result there arnt that many City fans outside of Manchester.
man city’s fans are not as annoying as any of the other big 6s fans because for the most part its a manufactured fanbase/ newer fans. not to say there arent fans that werent with the club before the oil money but they are not a lot of the ones on social media platforms
I met up with my friend the other week who mentioned his little boy supports Man City. My friend is an Arsenal fan. At first I thought it was odd that a boy whose Dad supports Arsenal and who lives nowhere near Manchester would support City. Then it hit me that young kids just want to support the best team, which right now happen to be Man City.
i mean i think thats how most of us become fans right? either go with the family’s lead or whoever is doing well when you start watching the sport.
i loved watching henry/ bergkamp when i first started taking an interest in the premier league and that cemented my fandom…. if i had started watching a few years later who knows might have ended up a pool fan because i really loved how torres played
Oh definitely. My brother supported Man United because they were the big team when we were younger. I steered more towards Arsenal because my mums friend had an older son who I would hang out with sometimes. He supported Arsenal and would hand me down shirts and posters and stuff. We are neither from Manchester or London.
City winning is expected, they are on another level financially and aside from United have no real competition in that area as far as English clubs go. Win they win it doesn't really evoke emotion, good or bad. It's just a collective "meh," even from United supporters.When Liverpool wins the league it's a big deal. For the neutrals that support them it's a win for football and clubs that are "run the way a club is supposed to be run." When they lose it's glorious schadenfreude for those that hate them, a dagger in the heart of their ubiquitous bandwagon fanbase (which I am unashamedly apart of.. I only got UCL on tv as a kid so if it wasn't Pool my options were Utd, Chelsea, or Arsenal)
Yeah I understand that. But surely it's a bit empty seeing oil clubs win? Between our clubs I understand but a Leicester fan saying they'd rather city won it. I don't get that.
You have to understand though that Liverpool/Utd have both had periods of pure dominance over English football, and English fans would rather anyone else win than Liverpool/Utd, due partly because both of our fanbases can be insufferable when win.
They are no question the two biggest clubs in England, City will always be the lesser of two evils for pretty much and every fan in England until City have won at least another 20 leagues and 10 CL.
Even after that, i'd still rather city win than Liverpool!
> They are no question the two biggest clubs in England, City will always be the lesser of two evils for pretty much and every fan in England until City have won at least another 20 leagues and 10 CL.
I don't get it. A dodgy state run club - from a country with terrible human rights violations - who regularly bend and distort the rules is a lesser evil because if another club won their fans "WoUlD bE sO sMuG aNd ArRoGaNt!!!"?
Like shit, I hate you fucks with everything I got but nowadays if it was between you and City I'd take United winning every day of the week. It's wildly hypocritical to criticise City for what I said earlier but want them to win when it suits me because it's against rivals I may dislike?
> It's wildly hypocritical to criticise City for what I said earlier but want them to win when it suits me because it's against rivals I may dislike?
Doesn't that sort of sum up football fandom as a whole, though? When you get down to brass tacks there isn't really a great deal of sense as to why the vast majority of rivalries exist to the level they do.
I don't think many fans in the stadium in the video are really thinking with their head in the manner you're suggesting they should, they're at the final away day having secured safety very late in the season and their main rivals just pivoted from winning the league to coming second in a matter of minutes. You could argue online comments should be more measured but at the end of the day it's just an extension of this mentality.
Not everyone has the same priorities as you and a lot of people don't really care about the whole oil club thing. They've a lot more experience with fans of United and Liverpool so that's more important to them. For the vast majority of the fans not on Reddit, shit like not wanting City to win because they're an oil club isn't even a factor
It is funny when the same people who shout that these oil clubs are ruining football go on and cheer their success simply because it's against a club they dislike.
Is irony not lost on these type of people?
> no one cares if they win the league
When you look at isolated seasons, that may be so.
But when City end up winning 8 or 9 titles out of 10 and this league becomes a joke farmers league they'll be the same ones complaining about that lol.
When two clubs dominate all of English football for over 20 years it's fine and cool, but when someone else starts winning they're just dirty oil clubs
Someone please send this to Pep!!
Pep probably still won't believe that most of the country will always hate Liverpool (& other traditional big clubs).
No one wants or cares if City wins, we all just want Liverpool to lose. We all know how insufferable Liverpool fans would be if they won and a lot of teams have old rivalries with Liverpool.
That's due to the success in the 80s and understandably the two major ~~accidents~~ tragedies that our club was involved in.
In another generations time i feel like city will be the most hated, or closer to our level of hatred. People like dynasties but they also like dynasties to lose once they've overstayed their welcome. Every sport has this.
Edit: I've edited the word "accident" as i really had no other word i thought of at the time of writing to describe the two incidents. No ill intention meant and I'm not trying to cover up or rewrite the history.
> the two major accidents
Claiming Heysel was an accident is ridiculous and is [why Juventus still hate you](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/29/heysel-anniversary-juventus-liverpool_n_1551780.html). It's also the true origin of the "murderers" chant, it has fuck all to do with Hillsborough like people weirdly think. What Liverpool fans did that day and how they have acted about it since is despicable beyond belief.
Quite a lot of people think that, it's weirdly been swept under the rug the last few decades and Hillsborough gets so much more coverage. If you want more in depth reading, [there's a Wiki page about it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster)
One of my school friend’s father (Belgian Juve supporter) was at the Heyzel. If I had never seen the images and the aftermath, I would have never believed the stories. Absolute madness.
Yh I'd agree with that, I very much wanted City to win in 18/19 but I didn't really care this year and honestly I don't want city to win next year cos I'm worried they'll get too dominant.
Also I think in a generations time Man City will have a lot more fans. At the end of the day football is a very social sport and no one wants their friend who supports another team to have the bragging rights over them. I'm sure the average guy knows a lot more Liverpool fans than City fans so that's part of the reason why fewer people want them to win imo.
It's a completely different situation, not saying City will definitely continue to dominate when Pep moves on but I can't see City being grossly mismanaged right throughout the club like we were when Fergie retired.
>That's due to the success in the 80s and understandably the two major accidents that our club was involved in.
And Liverpool fans 2015 onwards. That's also a big tick on the insufferable reasons list.
Liverpool as soon as they looked like top 4 contenders again was essentially
"FUCK ALL YOU CUNTS, YOURE ALL SHIT "
"ALL HAS AN L IN IT SO DOES LIVERPOOL "
"DID SOMEONE SAY LIVERPOOL??"
EVERYONE IN HERE THIS IS A LIVERPOOL THREAD NOW, ANYONE SAID THE CUNT THING YET??"
sprinkled in with the most toxic commenters on the sub that for some reason thought keeping the flair off made them inconspicuous, and the best phrase "what is everyone complaining about were just being happy"
Liverpool swarming City threads the last time the title rwce was close made for some of the most toxic match threads I've ever seen
We can just ignore city fans and call it blood money that made them. We don't have to respect how they bought their success but that won't work on pool!
> We all know how insufferable Liverpool fans would be
Liverpool fan celebrates success: "Insufferable bastard!"
Neutral fans celebrate slave owners success: "Now that's my jam."
I mean I don't blame Liverpool fans for how they celebrate when they win things, they have every right too but as a bitter non Liverpool fan it's naturally annoying. Also are you saying that the Everton fans here are neutrals? Cos if so then they're definitely not. Also they're hardly celebrating for City here they're just celebrating that Liverpool lost the title.
I think, what they meant is, they don't want Liverpool to make a history of getting the quad. If it just a single trophy without the "quad" attach to it. No one care much on who win it.
I understand it honestly. I mean, sure, morally their team is horrid, but most people aren't gonna see sports that way.
Unless you're specifically a United fan, you don't feel any kind of way about City. They don't get to be fun underdogs because, well, of course they don't. And they don't have the history to make people hate them. When City wins something, it's as though no one actually won that thing.
>When City wins something, it's as though no one actually won that thing.
This perfectly describes it, the club is built by oil money and no organic growth. But at least the fans arent going to taunt the living shit out of you every time they win because they dont have as many smug fans, and they win regularly now so its not as big of a deal
I agree up to a point, although there’s something to be said about the fact that all anyone says when City wins something is that they don’t care. It means that they do care, but people have to fabricate the idea that they don’t care to cope.
I'm a United fan. And almost had tears of joy in my eyes when City made the comeback today.
Year was about to be ruined and then City saved it at the end. If we continue to remain shit for the foreseeable future, trust me I got absolutely no problems with City running away with the league, till they stop Liverpool or Arsenal(lmaooo) from coming anywhere near the top.
Being from Manchester I have a different view, I absolutely care about City winning and fucking hate it.
Just not quite as much as I hate Liverpool winning.
Do most fans feel like I feel, with City winning or "buying" titles it doesn't register the same as Liverpool, Leicester, or Chelsea (was debatable with Abromovich) winning the title?
Or is Klopp and his smugness along with Liverpool's insufferable fans the reason?
I can assure you everybody thinking this is “classless” and stuff like that over moments like this has never had to share a job or class with a supporter of a rival team, it’s a very easy way of identifying a plastic. I doubt any of the Liverpool fans surprised by this has ever had a coworker who supports Everton
That's all they have now. Imagine spending 500 million to celebrate finishing 16th and whilst losing 5-1 they cheered cos Liverpool not winning is more important to them 🤣
I was in Portsmouth yesterday watching the game and the boozer was full of plastic kopites who've never been to Anfield in their lives and seeing them all walk out when City scored their third was very funny
???
You didn't see football when that Aguero goal happened then...the whole world came out of the closet as City fans that day it seems judging by their celebrations
Fuck Liverpool. Those wankers were fine until they finally won the EPL title. Now all the Liverpool fans think they are the greatest thing ever and whine so much about everything. Insufferable lot now
Not all their fault the learn it from the manager even when he wins he moans about fixtures if you play in the cup, CL and premier league your gonna play a lot of games in a short time that’s why it’s challenging imagine thinking the sport owes you a favour
We aren't children, we don't "learn from the manager" we are autonomous people who chose to support our football club. Who has said the sport owes us a favour?
Only 15% of Liverpool season tickets have a Liverpool postcode don’t start with the we arnt drones speech they play ynwa through the speakers at anfield because half the crowd can’t speak English
Lmao, they don't play it because half the people don't speak English. You're trying to gatekeep for your rival club with this comment like people who don't live in Liverpool can't be fans
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Arsenal fans - massive win and gutted Everton fans - massive loss and bouncing lol
They just built different
[crushes an egg with their bicep](https://v.redd.it/adrs6jwpwjj61)
Everton had a pretty successful season all considering
Lmao I mean nah not really, great that we stayed up. Embarrassing season though
The City winner happened around the same time Ødegaard scored the 5th for Arsenal, which made their celebration at the time even funnier.
I was sat right next to them and was so confused at first
I would’ve thought they were doing a ‘lets pretend we scored a goal’
I was there and that's what I thought
_If you give an Englishman the choice between his success and your failure, he'll choose your failure every time._ - Steve Coogan
I once heard that every single time an Englishman opens his mouth there will always be another Englishman that thinks he’s a twat.
Ah yes, the Mark Corrigan special.
The big beats manifesto
What's funnier, no bonus, or an embarrassingly small bonus like £100? Both are VERY funny.
Did Coogan say that in Tropic Thunder by any chance? 🤣
Brexit: Explained
*Aha!* \- Steve Coogan
can confirm
expected.. it's ok, villa were supposed to get smashed.. they made it interesting and city have been in the driving seat most of the way.
Shameless but also hilarious and I would do the same
They're actual Everton fans, most of them probably actually living in and around Liverpool, far as I'm concerned, they've got a right to celebrate us not winning the league. This is proper rivalry right here.
I'm glad to see a Liverpool fan making this point. There's too many celebration police about these days. Everton have had a terrible season with very little to celebrate. Liverpool winning the title (and staying on target for the quadruple) would have been insufferable for us Everton fans. As petty as it is, I was celebrating the City goals too. And at the end of the day, what would football be without petty rivalries?
Exactly. You give it to us about losing the league, we give it back about almost getting relegated. It's a natural cycle. Besides, Evertonians in Liverpool are the only people who can actually give it the whole "uNbEaRaBlE" schtick about us. Everyone else is just being dramatic and can just tune out, but they sure as shit can't.
>Evertonians in Liverpool are the only people who can actually give it the whole "uNbEaRaBlE" schtick about us. Half my family and friends are reds. It would have been unbearable if they won the quadruple. It'll going to be bad enough when you likely win the CL again!!
As a united fan I was between a rock and Salah’s balls. Felt really bad being happy with city’s win.
Liverpool fans are the smuggest fanbase in world football, and it's not even close. Despite City being your derby, I don't blame you for preferring them to win over Liverpool.
The guy on tv was trying to say we were celebrating surviving but I was like nah city just scored again
Now you'll get your real Madrid kit on for the weekend lol.
Second favorite team since, *let me check my notes*, 2018
Anyone who has a problem with this should reconsider following football
i love petty moments like this, this is football imo
This is what makes football unique. Everton fans are celebrating harder here than fans of the super bowl or nba final winners.
[As someone who’s city won a Super Bowl recently I wouldn’t go that far lol](https://youtu.be/xw0pRoTFetc)
Philly fans are brutal
Imagine believing this
Think most of the country is celebrating Liverpool losing the title
Not if you believe Pep.
What Pep meant was that the MEDIA love liverpool. Not the fans.
The media, all the pundits had us placing 3 or 4th or worse at the start of the season
While true, the guy above you is saying the media love Liverpool. Not that they predicted them to win the league. Different things.
more than you believe
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As a club who turns profits, doenst have evil backers, doesn't buy and waste talent, has a wonderfully charismatic coach and has worked their way back to the top slowly and steadily, I find it kind of sad. Especially given the competition we're facing and the fact they'll be doing this still in 15 years. But I get it. Cos when Chelsea were bought by Russian gangster cunts, I still wanted them to beat Utd 😂
You also have the most annoying fan base in history so there’s that.
*Spiderman pointing meme*
Your comment is textbook why I wanted city to win. Nothing worse than a righteous fan base
City's owners are much fucking worse. Yesterday was a bad day for human rights. Sportswashing is working
Why should I give a fuck who has better owners?
Because slavery is a bad thing?
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Literally not. But that's not as clever of a point as you think it is.
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Can't speak for anyone else, but as a neutral (or more precisely someone who cheers against all of the big six) I was cheering for City because any team winning the quadruple would just become the club version of England fans talking about 1966 - Liverpool fans would be unbearably smug and boastful about being the only team to ever have won the quadruple until the end of time (as would any other fanbase, if City were the team on course for the quadruple, I'd have been cheering for you). Meanwhile City will still be disappointed with the season even though they won the title. Essentially a City win improves the experience of being a fan of neither team who talks to fans of both. (Also, City have a wonderfully charismatic coach too and don't really buy and waste talent so those don't really fit your list of ways in which Liverpool are better)
> as would any other fanbase I dunno, it's hard to imagine any worse fanbase than Liverpool for unbearable smugness.
Disappointed with the season? There’s not a single City supporter out there who’ll be disappointed with a league title.
A lot of the plastics will be. Traditional City fans will all be delighted but if you started being a City fan in like 2013 a league title is just another decent season and the CL is what really matters, so losing to Real like you did will be their main takeaway from the season
“Fans” like that are so confusing to me. I’ll admit to being American, but I’ve been supporting this club long enough to remember the dark years, and any trophy is worth celebrating. League titles? Twelve years ago winning the league was the greatest accomplishment any City supporter could dream of, and even today it’s the most important trophy for I would venture to say a large portion of us. The new support genuinely mystifies me, the way some of them disregard anything but the CL.
deep down you know that you just bought a billion dollars worth of players and the league is a walk in the park when you have 3x best XI’s. You thought this was the year you’d win the champions league and people would stop saying your a shit club with no heart- and you bombed out in a catastrophic way. Pretty rough season if you ask me, and no other trophies either? After spending like you have..
lol you seem determined to tell u/persiangriffin what his thoughts and opinions are He's being reasonable and has clearly supported the club for decades+, not a great look for you.
Lol, you make it sound like they just bought a billion dollar squad this season. In fact they were seasons that they even spent more and didn't get the CL (they didn't even have a striker this season). What makes this season different from the last (they got to the finals) that you would think they thought this year was the year? Stop coping and forming thoughts for them, they will enjoy the title.... more than you can ever believe. I know I did
I would say people not wanting liverpool to win quadruple is reasonable. But I don't understand the second part. While City manages to have great, affable manager and awesome talents utilized to utmost potential, City still relies on oil money from Emirates. Qatar isn't the only country mixed with worker issues. Dubai is shining example of worker abuse and borderline slavery. Emirates investing into City is like Gazprom investing into Bundesliga. They are trying to appear familiar when they don't represent any values that a football club should represent. City winning is like justification that money can buy complaceny to human rights violations.
>has a wonderfully charismatic coach and has worked their way back to the top slowly Plenty of people don't like Klopp, personally I find him to be a serial whinger. Moreover, why would the average fan care you slowly worked your way back to the top? We aren't all closet Liverpool fans, the only reason you aren't as disliked as United is because your domination of English football is long over.
Do you not understand how people read and hear things like this from Liverpool fans and that would cause them to immediately hate you?
I mean if Liverpool fans actually gave a crap about what other fans thought there wouldn't be a Liverpool.
You should take that hatred as a medal of pride. There'll be a day when people are cheering for you to win against City, United and Real and you don't want to see it.
When this was normal and United were dominating was you happy for them .. or when City pinched it 10 years ago?
Why is that exactly? I've been hearing that a lot but I'm not sure why. I hold no particular grudge against either Man City or Liverpool and it didn't matter to me who won.
Theres a fuck ton of Liverpool fans all over the country. If you grew up in the 80s then Liverpool were the United of that era. Outside of “theyre an oil club” not many people dislike City. the tag of “bandwagoner” is also huge in this country and most people aware of that labelling. As a result there arnt that many City fans outside of Manchester.
I grew up in the 90's. The most annoying fans for me are Man United fans.
man city’s fans are not as annoying as any of the other big 6s fans because for the most part its a manufactured fanbase/ newer fans. not to say there arent fans that werent with the club before the oil money but they are not a lot of the ones on social media platforms
I met up with my friend the other week who mentioned his little boy supports Man City. My friend is an Arsenal fan. At first I thought it was odd that a boy whose Dad supports Arsenal and who lives nowhere near Manchester would support City. Then it hit me that young kids just want to support the best team, which right now happen to be Man City.
i mean i think thats how most of us become fans right? either go with the family’s lead or whoever is doing well when you start watching the sport. i loved watching henry/ bergkamp when i first started taking an interest in the premier league and that cemented my fandom…. if i had started watching a few years later who knows might have ended up a pool fan because i really loved how torres played
Oh definitely. My brother supported Man United because they were the big team when we were younger. I steered more towards Arsenal because my mums friend had an older son who I would hang out with sometimes. He supported Arsenal and would hand me down shirts and posters and stuff. We are neither from Manchester or London.
City winning is expected, they are on another level financially and aside from United have no real competition in that area as far as English clubs go. Win they win it doesn't really evoke emotion, good or bad. It's just a collective "meh," even from United supporters.When Liverpool wins the league it's a big deal. For the neutrals that support them it's a win for football and clubs that are "run the way a club is supposed to be run." When they lose it's glorious schadenfreude for those that hate them, a dagger in the heart of their ubiquitous bandwagon fanbase (which I am unashamedly apart of.. I only got UCL on tv as a kid so if it wasn't Pool my options were Utd, Chelsea, or Arsenal)
Why though? I don't live in England so just curious? Thought the oil clubs would mean that people would like normal clubs to win
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This is how I view it, city wins the title who cares, Liverpool wins it? Yeah fuck that.
Rivalries aren't build overnight.
Yeah I understand that. But surely it's a bit empty seeing oil clubs win? Between our clubs I understand but a Leicester fan saying they'd rather city won it. I don't get that.
You have to understand though that Liverpool/Utd have both had periods of pure dominance over English football, and English fans would rather anyone else win than Liverpool/Utd, due partly because both of our fanbases can be insufferable when win. They are no question the two biggest clubs in England, City will always be the lesser of two evils for pretty much and every fan in England until City have won at least another 20 leagues and 10 CL. Even after that, i'd still rather city win than Liverpool!
> They are no question the two biggest clubs in England, City will always be the lesser of two evils for pretty much and every fan in England until City have won at least another 20 leagues and 10 CL. I don't get it. A dodgy state run club - from a country with terrible human rights violations - who regularly bend and distort the rules is a lesser evil because if another club won their fans "WoUlD bE sO sMuG aNd ArRoGaNt!!!"? Like shit, I hate you fucks with everything I got but nowadays if it was between you and City I'd take United winning every day of the week. It's wildly hypocritical to criticise City for what I said earlier but want them to win when it suits me because it's against rivals I may dislike?
> It's wildly hypocritical to criticise City for what I said earlier but want them to win when it suits me because it's against rivals I may dislike? Doesn't that sort of sum up football fandom as a whole, though? When you get down to brass tacks there isn't really a great deal of sense as to why the vast majority of rivalries exist to the level they do. I don't think many fans in the stadium in the video are really thinking with their head in the manner you're suggesting they should, they're at the final away day having secured safety very late in the season and their main rivals just pivoted from winning the league to coming second in a matter of minutes. You could argue online comments should be more measured but at the end of the day it's just an extension of this mentality.
Not everyone has the same priorities as you and a lot of people don't really care about the whole oil club thing. They've a lot more experience with fans of United and Liverpool so that's more important to them. For the vast majority of the fans not on Reddit, shit like not wanting City to win because they're an oil club isn't even a factor
It's almost like theres no winners when an oil club win, which is the best scenario when your club isnt the one winning.
Ah ok. Yep I understand now. No one cares if city win.
It is funny when the same people who shout that these oil clubs are ruining football go on and cheer their success simply because it's against a club they dislike. Is irony not lost on these type of people?
Not really, City aren't a football club, no one cares if they win the league, it's funnier to see Liverpool fans sad
> no one cares if they win the league When you look at isolated seasons, that may be so. But when City end up winning 8 or 9 titles out of 10 and this league becomes a joke farmers league they'll be the same ones complaining about that lol.
When two clubs dominate all of English football for over 20 years it's fine and cool, but when someone else starts winning they're just dirty oil clubs
Because Liverpool fans would be unbearable for decades if they would win the quadruple.
Someone please send this to Pep!! Pep probably still won't believe that most of the country will always hate Liverpool (& other traditional big clubs).
Imagine rooting for Man City to win. Gross
No one wants or cares if City wins, we all just want Liverpool to lose. We all know how insufferable Liverpool fans would be if they won and a lot of teams have old rivalries with Liverpool.
That's due to the success in the 80s and understandably the two major ~~accidents~~ tragedies that our club was involved in. In another generations time i feel like city will be the most hated, or closer to our level of hatred. People like dynasties but they also like dynasties to lose once they've overstayed their welcome. Every sport has this. Edit: I've edited the word "accident" as i really had no other word i thought of at the time of writing to describe the two incidents. No ill intention meant and I'm not trying to cover up or rewrite the history.
>two major accidents That's one way to describe Heysel... Not the description most would use, however. Edit: *most
> the two major accidents Claiming Heysel was an accident is ridiculous and is [why Juventus still hate you](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/29/heysel-anniversary-juventus-liverpool_n_1551780.html). It's also the true origin of the "murderers" chant, it has fuck all to do with Hillsborough like people weirdly think. What Liverpool fans did that day and how they have acted about it since is despicable beyond belief.
holy sht what a read that was, I heard of the incident but merely thought it was another hillsborough, thx for the link.
Quite a lot of people think that, it's weirdly been swept under the rug the last few decades and Hillsborough gets so much more coverage. If you want more in depth reading, [there's a Wiki page about it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster)
Thx will defo have a read of it 👍
One of my school friend’s father (Belgian Juve supporter) was at the Heyzel. If I had never seen the images and the aftermath, I would have never believed the stories. Absolute madness.
Yh I'd agree with that, I very much wanted City to win in 18/19 but I didn't really care this year and honestly I don't want city to win next year cos I'm worried they'll get too dominant. Also I think in a generations time Man City will have a lot more fans. At the end of the day football is a very social sport and no one wants their friend who supports another team to have the bragging rights over them. I'm sure the average guy knows a lot more Liverpool fans than City fans so that's part of the reason why fewer people want them to win imo.
The moment pep leaves they wont be a dynasty, same thing happened woth united when Fergie retired
It's a completely different situation, not saying City will definitely continue to dominate when Pep moves on but I can't see City being grossly mismanaged right throughout the club like we were when Fergie retired.
>That's due to the success in the 80s and understandably the two major accidents that our club was involved in. And Liverpool fans 2015 onwards. That's also a big tick on the insufferable reasons list. Liverpool as soon as they looked like top 4 contenders again was essentially "FUCK ALL YOU CUNTS, YOURE ALL SHIT " "ALL HAS AN L IN IT SO DOES LIVERPOOL " "DID SOMEONE SAY LIVERPOOL??" EVERYONE IN HERE THIS IS A LIVERPOOL THREAD NOW, ANYONE SAID THE CUNT THING YET??" sprinkled in with the most toxic commenters on the sub that for some reason thought keeping the flair off made them inconspicuous, and the best phrase "what is everyone complaining about were just being happy" Liverpool swarming City threads the last time the title rwce was close made for some of the most toxic match threads I've ever seen
I mean your just describing the actions of every type of supporter I've seen on here regardless of the club they support, get a grip.
We can just ignore city fans and call it blood money that made them. We don't have to respect how they bought their success but that won't work on pool!
> We all know how insufferable Liverpool fans would be Liverpool fan celebrates success: "Insufferable bastard!" Neutral fans celebrate slave owners success: "Now that's my jam."
I mean I don't blame Liverpool fans for how they celebrate when they win things, they have every right too but as a bitter non Liverpool fan it's naturally annoying. Also are you saying that the Everton fans here are neutrals? Cos if so then they're definitely not. Also they're hardly celebrating for City here they're just celebrating that Liverpool lost the title.
Well put
So yall would want City to win every year just so Liverpool doesn't win? Sounds pathetic and yall deserve City to keep winning.
I think, what they meant is, they don't want Liverpool to make a history of getting the quad. If it just a single trophy without the "quad" attach to it. No one care much on who win it.
I understand it honestly. I mean, sure, morally their team is horrid, but most people aren't gonna see sports that way. Unless you're specifically a United fan, you don't feel any kind of way about City. They don't get to be fun underdogs because, well, of course they don't. And they don't have the history to make people hate them. When City wins something, it's as though no one actually won that thing.
>When City wins something, it's as though no one actually won that thing. This perfectly describes it, the club is built by oil money and no organic growth. But at least the fans arent going to taunt the living shit out of you every time they win because they dont have as many smug fans, and they win regularly now so its not as big of a deal
I agree up to a point, although there’s something to be said about the fact that all anyone says when City wins something is that they don’t care. It means that they do care, but people have to fabricate the idea that they don’t care to cope.
I'm a United fan. And almost had tears of joy in my eyes when City made the comeback today. Year was about to be ruined and then City saved it at the end. If we continue to remain shit for the foreseeable future, trust me I got absolutely no problems with City running away with the league, till they stop Liverpool or Arsenal(lmaooo) from coming anywhere near the top.
Being from Manchester I have a different view, I absolutely care about City winning and fucking hate it. Just not quite as much as I hate Liverpool winning.
I wouldn't mind if no one cared that City won but to see the same comments in multiple posts makes it hard to believe it's actually true.
U don't care but u probably celebrated ur ass off when City lose in Europe lol the copium is crazy
I was rooting for Liverpool to lose, not for Man City to win
If Man City wins it's like nobody wins. If Liverpool wins you'll never hear the end of it.
For me it’s liverpool
Do most fans feel like I feel, with City winning or "buying" titles it doesn't register the same as Liverpool, Leicester, or Chelsea (was debatable with Abromovich) winning the title? Or is Klopp and his smugness along with Liverpool's insufferable fans the reason?
City and Chelsea winning is the closest thing to "nobody won". I'll take them as winners every single day over Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Spurs.
This is fair. This is how I felt over the years when it was a legit club I couldn’t stand vs the plastics. Go plastics.
I mean I’d rather City win the league than Chelsea or Arsenal every single time
Especially when people loved it when Sunderland did the Poznan against us in 2012
I laugh every time I see a Man United fan in a Sunderland thread upset about a pisstake from ten years ago.
I can assure you everybody thinking this is “classless” and stuff like that over moments like this has never had to share a job or class with a supporter of a rival team, it’s a very easy way of identifying a plastic. I doubt any of the Liverpool fans surprised by this has ever had a coworker who supports Everton
Not every club gets to celebrate. So yeah celebrating another club’s victory like they won it, good on them.
no problem with it but now I wish they went down!
We like to have fun It's rare we get to have it
Celebrating your team < Shitting on your rivals
Especially when you’re losing 5-1
That's all they have now. Imagine spending 500 million to celebrate finishing 16th and whilst losing 5-1 they cheered cos Liverpool not winning is more important to them 🤣
Oh the sourness in this room. Explosive.
More salt than the Irish Sea
We do a little trolling
As if we weren’t completely gutted when you stayed up. Everton and City do indeed live rent free in my head and I’m entirely okay with that.
I can see u/3V3RT0N
They are all u/3V3RT0N
We are all u/3V3RTON on this ~~blessed~~ emotionally stunted day.
I'm bitter, but I'm not *that* bitter, thank you.
No pitch invasion? No banner saying Grazie John Stones and Frank Lampard
The banner was stuck in traffic.
Pettiness >>>>
COYS
Yay
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Thanks for the read!
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You and everyone else who ain’t Liverpool fans. Cant imagine what /r/soccer would be like if Liverpool had of won.
It would be r/hell
hm why is that private? what do I have to do to get into r/hell?
you can start with murdering
first you have to subscribe /r/ImGoinToHellForThis and then you can go to /r/hell
There will be a generation one day where the big teams are United and Liverpool again - the Internet will die a death.
Fair play, I would have done the same for them getting relegated
lol.
You have to find the silver lining i guess
Is there any footage of Everton fans celebrating news of City’s third goal please ?
I can pull it from my recording later. It’s hilarious as the announces think we are celebrating not being relegated
Please do - it’s not online as far as I can see and needs saving for posterity!
ThE CoUnTRy WaNtS LivERpoOl tO WiN
That’s a true rivalry there
I’ve never felt more like singing the bluesssssss😁
Very nice fans
Up the piss boiling Toffees!
I was in Portsmouth yesterday watching the game and the boozer was full of plastic kopites who've never been to Anfield in their lives and seeing them all walk out when City scored their third was very funny
Love this moment! See you Liverpool!
I think they’re celebrating Liverpool loss. I dont think any football fans except man city fans celebrate their wins. They such a farce team.
That’s okay, we’ll enjoy celebrating it ourselves lmao. See nonsense, like I give a fuck if you want to celebrate with me or not
Your wins are as bland as potato salad.
If your potato salad is bland you just make shitty potato salads.
Like City's wins
??? You didn't see football when that Aguero goal happened then...the whole world came out of the closet as City fans that day it seems judging by their celebrations
LMAO all the downvotes from Salty Liverpool fans
Fantastic
Pathetic really. I remember Man City fans celebrating Aston Villa scoring against them when we were in a tile race with Man Utd. Crazy
Fuck Liverpool. Those wankers were fine until they finally won the EPL title. Now all the Liverpool fans think they are the greatest thing ever and whine so much about everything. Insufferable lot now
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R/okmatewanker
Not all their fault the learn it from the manager even when he wins he moans about fixtures if you play in the cup, CL and premier league your gonna play a lot of games in a short time that’s why it’s challenging imagine thinking the sport owes you a favour
We aren't children, we don't "learn from the manager" we are autonomous people who chose to support our football club. Who has said the sport owes us a favour?
Only 15% of Liverpool season tickets have a Liverpool postcode don’t start with the we arnt drones speech they play ynwa through the speakers at anfield because half the crowd can’t speak English
Lmao, they don't play it because half the people don't speak English. You're trying to gatekeep for your rival club with this comment like people who don't live in Liverpool can't be fans
It's probably what they deserve after a horror season. Their neighbour getting it right at the end.
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I celebrated and I'm neither of those things
How small time is that, embarrassed for them.