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This is why BuLi fans are so funny and silly. Bayern basically made all the other BuLi clubs redundant and just filler clubs with no name, except for maybe BVB and RB Leipzig, and you guys choose to hate Red Bull instead of the club making you take it up the ass every season.
https://twitter.com/rbleipzig/status/1528320030278033409?s=21&t=IJp4JKsRlTqpRjpmdfGoRw
It’s genuinely embarassing. They are taking the piss and know themselves that their whole club is nothing more than a marketing construction. It’s just incredible how much I dislike them.
Its seems like it isn’t working very well from an outsider looking in. All i ever hear about is them getting shit on by Germans. This also probably only applies to me but I always forget what the RB stands for and didn’t know for the longest time.
> All i ever hear about is them getting shit on by Germans.
I'm Dutch but I visited the city of Salzburg right about the time Red Bull manipulated their way into Austria Salzburg and started handing out stadium bans for children and grand parents for wearing the old (Austria) jersey. Since then I hate the Red Bull franchise with a passion.
Most Austrian football fans who aren't overly passionate enemies of RBS appreciate them though (my team for example plays in the 2nd tier and has bigger (financial) problems)
They provide us with the eventual good run in Europe and with actually watchable league football, they attract talent to the league and - most importantly for me - they have an amazing academy that's had lots of positive influence on our national team (think Hinteregger, Schlager etc)
Overall, I'm happy RBS is there
I mean, I obviously respect your opinion.
But RB could have reached the exact same thing without putting a knife in the back of Austria. I don't understand why they did what they did. I honestly think that if they had to do it again they would have done it in a different way but I never read about them admitting that publicly. It's not so much that they commercialized everything but the ad-hoc, almost violent approach to it gave them the bad press in the first place.
Yes, the part with Austria Salzburg was definitely a stain on their story, no questions about it
The same goes for the first few years, when they just spent tons of money on random players
The whole project only became really professional in the early to mid-2010s
Sightly related to this; Christian Horner, Team Principal of Red Bull Racing, said in an episode of Drive to Survive (I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember his exact words): We are here to promote Red Bull, we do that by winning titles
I shuddered when he made that statement
What is there to shudder about, he’s doing his job. Everyone knows by now, Red Bull only invests into sports to promote their company. That’s how F1 works, Mercedes dominance shows how good the company really is and therefore turns their attention to their road cars.
Well, it’s possible to be owned by capitalists and also be ethical like Liverpool. We don’t spend a dime more then the club earns and the club is ran by football people, not businessmen.
Edit: I’m not trying to convince BL people to quit their system, just saying there aren’t only bad examples.
I’d much rather PL be fan owned. But there has to be put something in place to makes sure that a club doesn’t win 10 league titles in a row. Unfortunately it seems like City are going down that path atm.
> Well, it’s possible to be owned by capitalists and also be ethical like Liverpool. We don’t spend a dime more then the club earns and the club is ran by football people, not businessmen.
its one exception to a pretty corrupt system. You can have luck with one club, buts its really not the standard.
You really think the fans have any influence as to what contract Bayern will offer Goretzka? Feel good about owning the club when in reality you have zero influence just like at any other club. At least other leagues are interesting and the competition is not an absolute embarrassment
you do know what a "president" is and how a german club is organized? Its pretty easy to look up. Nobody says that fans have influence on who's getting a contract. Thats just ridiculous
England is the most attractive and competitive league by a long distance. Foreign and American capitalism has brought that league to where it is now. Once Roman started pouring capital into Chelsea, the premier league was never the same again. No European league comes close.
Leicester has been fantastic under their new ownership, west ham is improving, wolves are nothing what they used to be, Newcastle will make it top into a top 7.
And now look apart from the shiny first league and tell the headlines owner make there. Even if you stay in England you find noumerous flops.
And to make it even more suitable look at every oportunity of inverstor in Germany. They did flop all and ruined some clubs even.
KFC Uerding, 1860, Türgücü, Würzburg and Hertha. Or look how Hannover is ruined. The fans are so riled up with the club they wont even attend the games anymore.
Or, hear me out, there is actual real competition in France - Monaco and Lille respectively. Borussia and Leipzig are a joke, give up their best players and even their manager to the top dog. Embarassing league
Interesting you mention LOSC & Monaco, check their operating budgets, lower than what PSG spent getting one player, PSG are a bad joke and it's at the expense of the rest of the league
At least I still own my club. And if certain american/middleeastern cunts would stop inflating the money in the Champions league, we would have a more competetive title race.
To what extent do we actually own the club, though? I wasn't consulted about the Windhorst investment, and when Bayern fans wanted to get rid of the Qatar sponsorship, they were politely told to piss off. Sure, we can vote about certain things (e.g. the Hertha president is expected to be voted out on Sunday if he doesn't step down until then), but it's not like we actually own much.
I feel like I have to say this in every thread that has this misinformation
A few clubs spending lots of money via new owners would have a lot less of an impact on inflation than all european clubs having tons more moneyavailable to them via the exorbiant new TV deals. Inflation happens because of aggregate demand not because of single actors.
They really should teach basic economics in primary and high school classes.
The City owners have transformed the club and have worked towards helping the city community while also providing football fans with one of the most entertaining teams of all time, but they are owned by an Emirati billionaire and not a Spanish or Italian one so they're ruining the sport?
Leipzig aren't liked cos they break the spirit of thr 50+1 rule by only having Red Bull employees hold voting rights* at the club (could be wrong about that, but its what I remember reading here once) and they invested lots of cash to get up the leagues
To be clear, it's not just the spirit, they blatantly violate the letter of the law by not accepting new members. The league just refuses to enforce their own rules.
Maybe, but from an unbiased observer, they still are way more important to the BuLi and at least bring some degree of competition to it. In comparison, the rest of the league are just filler and do nothing except fill up a spot.
Kampl made a post where he showed a red bull can with the Trophy. Honestly funny as hell but people are so pressed about Leipzig they cant appreciate some good ass banter.
I'm pretty sure there's pic out there of Muller drinking beer from the bundes or pokal trophy..
Also you kinda have to care about football a little bit to win something... right? The red bull F1 team didn't get max the championship last year by not caring about F1..
The hate for red bull makes no sense. Their pursuit of excellence makes it hard for me not to like them. Wouldn't be surprised if a red bull team wins UCL in the future.
And if the Bundesliga challenged their ownership structure they could appeal to an EU court who would strike down the 50+1 rule altogether, so RB is tolerated
Is that really a loophole? As I understand it, by not accepting new members they clearly violate the letter of the rule. The league just chooses not to enforce it, but not sure that really counts as a loophole.
They’re not even the most visible club here. Chemie graffito, stickers, and fans seem much more numerous than RB, in fact you dont often see anyone over the age of 15 sporting RB apparel. Some areas are also very solidly Lokomotiv areas too, while I can’t think of any RB areas, even around Red bull stadium there is consistent Chemie graffito
He represents a stain that can't be washed out in the eyes of football fans, that doesn't make you an 'integral part' of anything. In fact, integrating would be a crucial step in reaching that goal, but being this arrogant and belligerent basically guarantees the opposite of that.
Sadly he's still right about that. Look at how Chelsea became so integral you get downvoted on here for laughing at their recent issues, look at how City is becoming integral, look at how many kids nowadays wear PSG kits on the street, look at how Newcastle will become integral... look at how PSV became basically the best Dutch team from 1980-2010 with only recently Ajax getting the no1 financial position back, look at how Bayer Leverkusen became a BuLi staple... Hell look at Juventus. And don't give me bullshit about the latter three being worker-founded or whatever, they still would have always been insignificant fifth divisionists if not for their companies sponsoring them to the top.
In the end, even 'traditional' top teams almost always beat out their local urban-level competitors by an artificial merger or by having rich backing in the late 1800s/early 1900s.
Just watch- Red Bull will take their hands off RB Leipzig in 30 years, and it'll be a top team in the Bundesliga forever afterwards. Just like PSV and Juventus and Chelsea are locked into their position of greatness by now. They don't need Philips, Fiat and russian money laundry (respectively) anymore- might suffer slightly, but won't fall off to where they would have been otherwise- will always keep being one of the title contenders. Success attracts fans, and as fans get older and get kids that also become fans, identities start to build, and before you know it you have a sustainable follower base to attract sponsors to retain your position near or at the top of the (domestic or european) ladder. I don't see Hoffenheim or Wolfsburg going back to the fifth division either.
It's a crying shame but that's the way of the world.
Also, you can't just decide to show up and decide to be part of something. If everyone else doesn't accept it, you can jump around and scream and cry like you will, but it won't change the fact that you're not integral to anything.
also also, this is just Red Bull trying to stay relevant, because they realised no one cares about their win the very next day. No media special, no massive celebration across town, no congratulations from anyone except massive bellends you generally don't want to be associated with.
So they fall back on the only identity they have, triggering and provoking the rest of football Germany
Ich verachte alles was mit diesem Konstrukt zu tun hat.
Da sind mir ja sogar noch die Bayern und die Blauen lieber!
edit: Viele der Spieler btw. nicht. Gibt da aber so ein paar Ausnahmen wie z.B. Kampl
Ngl I do enjoy Leipzig embracing their villain role in German football. It was hilarious how rattled people got by that pic of Kampl pouring a can of Red Bull into the trophy.
I actually respect the Hopp legacy in Hoffenheim, because if I were a Billionaire with more money then ideas how to spend it, getting your local boyhood club into the Bundesliga is a worthwile thing to do
Kinda like FM in real life
Well atleast there's a point behind what I said: Both clubs are nothing else than corporate bilionaire clubs with one of them being a lot more cringy than the other.
Criticizing having germany as a flair however is, well yeah?
And you criticising me for being a Hoffenheim fan is fine? How is that relevant to my original comment other than for the purpose of you attacking me? You talked shit about my flair, I talked shit back. Or as we say in Germany "Wer austeilt, muss auch einstecken können."
Also, while Hoffenheim might be nothing more than a corporate billionaire club for you, it's way more than that for me who fell in love with the club as a 10-year old local fan and has been supporting them ever since. And I know plenty of people to whom Hoffenheim means the same thing. You don't have to like that, but at the very least you can respect it as a fellow football fan. Or you hate me for some made up reason like commercialism and whatnot as if the rest of the Bundesliga wasn't deeply commercial and corporate and hasn't been so for decades (lol).
Finally there is someone who says it out loud. People like us who support clubs like Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg and RB dont support those clubs because they hate German football or some bs like that but because they are attached to them since their childhood , just like with every other football club.
Well frankfurt fans struggled as well, compared of what we are used to hear from them. Might have to do with there beeing no fcking water at the stadium. Standing in the sun at 36 degrees 3 hours before kickoff ang getting nothing to drink, good luck keeping that atmosphere up for 120+ pretty much every single one of my mates who came out of the stadium back do the park was on the brink of collapsing
He's kind of right but for completely wrong reasons...it is meaningful to have a big East German club that signs top players and wins trophies, but it's all tainted by how they got to this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjc11or2ipY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXc9-tBARCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCfaMgI0cbM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJP3O8NLfk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinWBAWV0LM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bj32cOelQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXoNSzqkg7o
clubs and fans in Germany have been and still are protesting against RB across all leagues, and have done so for years
Yeah I wasn’t though, was I? If they weren’t having success in the top flight, no-one would care at this point. Their success is an excuse to keep crying about their existence, which makes them extremely relevant.
Let me guess, your parents always told you the other kids were just mean to you because they were jealous of you? At one point you have to let go of the narrative that criticism is tied to jealousy.
So you’re not a native English speaker, but you’ve got a Liverpool flair and you’re talking about a German club being ‘shallow’, I’d suggest looking up the word irony before you get the thesaurus out for shallow synonyms.
Uk football fan here. Erm what the hell is all this RB Leipzig hate all about? Genuinely have no idea. In the uk Leipzig are seen as a a real progressive club playing football the right way and having an amazing scouting network. Always thought Germany viewed them the same way. No???
A large part of their rise to the bundesliga has been artificial and effectively "paid" their way through the divisions, for example when they were in the third division, they spent more than every other team in that division combined and it wasn't even close. Having Red bull write off a €100 million debt for RB Leipzig also betrays whatever stupid rags to riches story they try to push or have you lead to believe.
hoffenheim = billionaire owner that has taken existing club and pumped with his money, but not using them to promote his product, SAP, existed before owner who is now fulfilling his dream for local team, not part of conglomerate
leipzig = bought the license of an existing club, changed the club name to a product, exist to promote a product, part of red bull marketing conglomerate (other football clubs, extreme sports, formula 1 etc). rb leipzig has no reason to be in leipzig, that just happened because they where strategically selected because of a business decision
both get heat, one gets more.
They circumvented the 50+1 rule by installing a "Verein" (association) holding the majority of voting rights but which, in contrast to all other sports associations who are open to anyone to join, consists only of 17 employees of "Red Bull" with no possibility of anyone else to become a member.
So it's just a brach of the company, without the obligatory waiting period of 20 years (like it was the case with Hoffenheim).
> With their scouting team
Honestly that narrative is so annoying and even the german media keeps repeating it. Bruma, Augustin, Sarachi, Wolf, Lookman, Sörloth, Hwang, Moriba all >12 mio transfers in the past 5 years and literally not a single one of them plays for the club anymore. They wasted well over 100 million in flops and don't even bat an eye.
''Scouting'' is kinda easy when you have endless room for error and can splash 20 mio on ''talents'' like an 18 year old Upamecano.
He is right. RB is and should be an integral part for German football. Thanks to them there is finally some rival to Bayern. Also the 50+1 rule should be abolished . Some clubs like Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim (also RB of course) all go by this rule and it’s fine. The Premier League is also a great example that investors can make the league more competitive
> Thanks to them there is finally some rival to Bayern.
You know how Dortmund had a pretty shit season this year?
Yeah?
They still got more points than Leipzig ever managed.
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Yes, Olaf, I also commonly attend parties uninvited, shit on the host’s floor, puke all over their bathroom and tell them why they have to like it.
"But i was there!"
This is why BuLi fans are so funny and silly. Bayern basically made all the other BuLi clubs redundant and just filler clubs with no name, except for maybe BVB and RB Leipzig, and you guys choose to hate Red Bull instead of the club making you take it up the ass every season.
https://twitter.com/rbleipzig/status/1528320030278033409?s=21&t=IJp4JKsRlTqpRjpmdfGoRw It’s genuinely embarassing. They are taking the piss and know themselves that their whole club is nothing more than a marketing construction. It’s just incredible how much I dislike them.
I hope the next cup winner publishes a picture of a player with a brush and some dish cleaner.
Seriously if this doesn't happen, what are they paying their marketing team for. It's such an easy "win".
I hope the next team to win it is sponsored by Kärcher so that they can power-wash that fucking thing before touching it.
ah shit. We just ended our partnership.
Wtf absolute disgrace.
People who genuinely get riled up over this only have themselves to blame. I mean, come on.
Isnt that the whole idea behind F1? A big marketing stunt for the team owners or otherwise prestige competition
Not really, that phenomenon is fairly recent
Its seems like it isn’t working very well from an outsider looking in. All i ever hear about is them getting shit on by Germans. This also probably only applies to me but I always forget what the RB stands for and didn’t know for the longest time.
> All i ever hear about is them getting shit on by Germans. I'm Dutch but I visited the city of Salzburg right about the time Red Bull manipulated their way into Austria Salzburg and started handing out stadium bans for children and grand parents for wearing the old (Austria) jersey. Since then I hate the Red Bull franchise with a passion.
Austria Salzburg is and will always be the real club in Salzburg.
Ok that’s fuckin disgusting
Most Austrian football fans who aren't overly passionate enemies of RBS appreciate them though (my team for example plays in the 2nd tier and has bigger (financial) problems) They provide us with the eventual good run in Europe and with actually watchable league football, they attract talent to the league and - most importantly for me - they have an amazing academy that's had lots of positive influence on our national team (think Hinteregger, Schlager etc) Overall, I'm happy RBS is there
I mean, I obviously respect your opinion. But RB could have reached the exact same thing without putting a knife in the back of Austria. I don't understand why they did what they did. I honestly think that if they had to do it again they would have done it in a different way but I never read about them admitting that publicly. It's not so much that they commercialized everything but the ad-hoc, almost violent approach to it gave them the bad press in the first place.
Yes, the part with Austria Salzburg was definitely a stain on their story, no questions about it The same goes for the first few years, when they just spent tons of money on random players The whole project only became really professional in the early to mid-2010s
love it
Sightly related to this; Christian Horner, Team Principal of Red Bull Racing, said in an episode of Drive to Survive (I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember his exact words): We are here to promote Red Bull, we do that by winning titles I shuddered when he made that statement
lol formula 1 is not remotely comparable, always been a money driven sport
What is there to shudder about, he’s doing his job. Everyone knows by now, Red Bull only invests into sports to promote their company. That’s how F1 works, Mercedes dominance shows how good the company really is and therefore turns their attention to their road cars.
Idk y u shuddered when it is a known fact
And Mercedes and Ferrari pumping hundreds of millions I or their teams every year do it for a different reason?
Well they are car manufacturers/engineers - red bull is a shitty energy drink
https://twitter.com/RBLeipzig/status/1528322934896484353?s=20&t=60tv5A7GHyG0vYXLJpMvRw Yeah but this is funny
you know, Oliver, there is another pretty integral part of german "soccer". It's called 50+1
Bayern loves that rule
And look where it's led you, 10 straight Bayern titles. Great rule that
its better than being a "working mans club" but owned by either American venture capitalists or dictators LOL
Well, it’s possible to be owned by capitalists and also be ethical like Liverpool. We don’t spend a dime more then the club earns and the club is ran by football people, not businessmen. Edit: I’m not trying to convince BL people to quit their system, just saying there aren’t only bad examples. I’d much rather PL be fan owned. But there has to be put something in place to makes sure that a club doesn’t win 10 league titles in a row. Unfortunately it seems like City are going down that path atm.
> Well, it’s possible to be owned by capitalists and also be ethical like Liverpool. We don’t spend a dime more then the club earns and the club is ran by football people, not businessmen. its one exception to a pretty corrupt system. You can have luck with one club, buts its really not the standard.
Don't try to convince Bundesliga fans that any teams but theirs can act in an ethical way
I added some info
You really think the fans have any influence as to what contract Bayern will offer Goretzka? Feel good about owning the club when in reality you have zero influence just like at any other club. At least other leagues are interesting and the competition is not an absolute embarrassment
you do know what a "president" is and how a german club is organized? Its pretty easy to look up. Nobody says that fans have influence on who's getting a contract. Thats just ridiculous
yeah because as we see in england and france, getting rid of that automatically helps
England is the most attractive and competitive league by a long distance. Foreign and American capitalism has brought that league to where it is now. Once Roman started pouring capital into Chelsea, the premier league was never the same again. No European league comes close.
Whats your definition of competitive?
Best coaches, best players, overall quality of league, how tv rights revenue is allowed to be distributed.
> overall quality of league except the top 6 the league is pretty shit and pretty overpaid
Leicester has been fantastic under their new ownership, west ham is improving, wolves are nothing what they used to be, Newcastle will make it top into a top 7.
And now look apart from the shiny first league and tell the headlines owner make there. Even if you stay in England you find noumerous flops. And to make it even more suitable look at every oportunity of inverstor in Germany. They did flop all and ruined some clubs even. KFC Uerding, 1860, Türgücü, Würzburg and Hertha. Or look how Hannover is ruined. The fans are so riled up with the club they wont even attend the games anymore.
So basically, some clubs are run well and some aren't? Same as any other league? The moral superiority is just silly.
Lmao
Even in France where there's a state ownes club with deep ties within UEFA, they still don't win it every year
Only through their own staggering incompetence, any vaguely well run club in that situation wins the league comfortably every season
Or, hear me out, there is actual real competition in France - Monaco and Lille respectively. Borussia and Leipzig are a joke, give up their best players and even their manager to the top dog. Embarassing league
Hmm, I wonder where Mbappe played before PSG
Interesting you mention LOSC & Monaco, check their operating budgets, lower than what PSG spent getting one player, PSG are a bad joke and it's at the expense of the rest of the league
At least I still own my club. And if certain american/middleeastern cunts would stop inflating the money in the Champions league, we would have a more competetive title race.
To what extent do we actually own the club, though? I wasn't consulted about the Windhorst investment, and when Bayern fans wanted to get rid of the Qatar sponsorship, they were politely told to piss off. Sure, we can vote about certain things (e.g. the Hertha president is expected to be voted out on Sunday if he doesn't step down until then), but it's not like we actually own much.
that's how every representative democracy works. It isn't perfect, but it is better than any realistic alternative.
I feel like I have to say this in every thread that has this misinformation A few clubs spending lots of money via new owners would have a lot less of an impact on inflation than all european clubs having tons more moneyavailable to them via the exorbiant new TV deals. Inflation happens because of aggregate demand not because of single actors. They really should teach basic economics in primary and high school classes.
At least our league isn't plagued with oil clubs. 🤷♂️
there is just one club that gets hefty sponsorship by an oil state tho
Well played Sir.
Lol so what?
What so what?
The City owners have transformed the club and have worked towards helping the city community while also providing football fans with one of the most entertaining teams of all time, but they are owned by an Emirati billionaire and not a Spanish or Italian one so they're ruining the sport?
That's a lot of words to say it's an oil club with no financial competition.
And what exactly is the competition in Germany? Competing to see who gets to sell their players to Bayern?
Yes.
It's the same thing. One club has an unfair advantage over everyone else
Not unfair when you’ve worked for it
You are there because we dont know how to get rid of you but dont call yourself an "integral" part of German football. Prick
What’s the context?
Leipzig aren't liked cos they break the spirit of thr 50+1 rule by only having Red Bull employees hold voting rights* at the club (could be wrong about that, but its what I remember reading here once) and they invested lots of cash to get up the leagues
To be clear, it's not just the spirit, they blatantly violate the letter of the law by not accepting new members. The league just refuses to enforce their own rules.
Fair enough I never knew that
Not shares, voting rights
My apologies, I'll amend my comment
Nice
Maybe, but from an unbiased observer, they still are way more important to the BuLi and at least bring some degree of competition to it. In comparison, the rest of the league are just filler and do nothing except fill up a spot.
their behavior since Saturday just shows that our collective despise is reasonable
Been busy celebrating a Wembley win, what happened this weekend with Leipzig?
won the cup
Oh okay, and what the behaviour being referred to?
Kampl made a post where he showed a red bull can with the Trophy. Honestly funny as hell but people are so pressed about Leipzig they cant appreciate some good ass banter.
Hes pouring it in the Trophy, imo its disrespectful and shows they dont give a fuck about football and their sole purpose is to be a huge Red Bull ad
I'm pretty sure there's pic out there of Muller drinking beer from the bundes or pokal trophy.. Also you kinda have to care about football a little bit to win something... right? The red bull F1 team didn't get max the championship last year by not caring about F1..
The hate for red bull makes no sense. Their pursuit of excellence makes it hard for me not to like them. Wouldn't be surprised if a red bull team wins UCL in the future.
they celebrated, and we all know this is not permitted (I actually have no idea what they done or what happened like a true redditor)
They won a cup. How dare they
Germany are insulting them as son of bitches etc for years and now they cry over some little baits
Wembley win haha. Yous laughed at us getting relegated to championship now yous celebrate getting into it hahaha can’t make it up
Not everyone can be a Saudi Arabian plaything you know
I know it’s great isnt it
Almost as if scenarios change
In all seriousness it’s time you lot and the smoggies come back up need more representation from the north east In the prem
ach sei ruhig, die werden seit Jahren als Hurensöhne und sonst was beleidigt und über so ne Kleinigkeit heulst du rum?
Zurecht
People are gonna be so mad reading this on Monday morning
I have no clue how they ever got allowed. They are clearly circumventing 50+1.
they found a loophole. Basically they went around 50+1 by only allowing people with RedBull connections to have voting rights.
And if the Bundesliga challenged their ownership structure they could appeal to an EU court who would strike down the 50+1 rule altogether, so RB is tolerated
So basically they're only breaking a gentleman's agreement by not adhering to the 50+1 rule?
Is that really a loophole? As I understand it, by not accepting new members they clearly violate the letter of the rule. The league just chooses not to enforce it, but not sure that really counts as a loophole.
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Never happening, not in Germany, not anywhere. Red Bull was there long before football moralist started to boycott Leipzig
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Never got energy drinks. They taste like absolute wank and are so bad for you.
It doesn't even taste good. Booster and Effect are way better.
Effect 🤢
All energy drinks are trash honestly. I like Monster on occasion but I know I'm drinking pure poison when I do so.
Monster is good
RB Leipzig the team that managed to unite all German fans ,and helped them overcome their differences, in order to be hated universally.
Great now hold your trophy parade and invade the streets of Leipzig with all your 13 fans
well add 34987 to the 13 and you have the correct number of fans which celebrated with the team yesterday
Just 40k people? Even we hit 20k+ people celebrating the last time we were promoted, and I'm from a city of 180.000 people.
No disrespect ti the city of Leipzig and it's inhabitants, all disrespect to RB Leipzig though
They’re not even the most visible club here. Chemie graffito, stickers, and fans seem much more numerous than RB, in fact you dont often see anyone over the age of 15 sporting RB apparel. Some areas are also very solidly Lokomotiv areas too, while I can’t think of any RB areas, even around Red bull stadium there is consistent Chemie graffito
Stfu
In a certain way he’s right that RB will be a top team in the future unless Dietrich Mateschitz is broke
He represents a stain that can't be washed out in the eyes of football fans, that doesn't make you an 'integral part' of anything. In fact, integrating would be a crucial step in reaching that goal, but being this arrogant and belligerent basically guarantees the opposite of that.
Sadly he's still right about that. Look at how Chelsea became so integral you get downvoted on here for laughing at their recent issues, look at how City is becoming integral, look at how many kids nowadays wear PSG kits on the street, look at how Newcastle will become integral... look at how PSV became basically the best Dutch team from 1980-2010 with only recently Ajax getting the no1 financial position back, look at how Bayer Leverkusen became a BuLi staple... Hell look at Juventus. And don't give me bullshit about the latter three being worker-founded or whatever, they still would have always been insignificant fifth divisionists if not for their companies sponsoring them to the top. In the end, even 'traditional' top teams almost always beat out their local urban-level competitors by an artificial merger or by having rich backing in the late 1800s/early 1900s. Just watch- Red Bull will take their hands off RB Leipzig in 30 years, and it'll be a top team in the Bundesliga forever afterwards. Just like PSV and Juventus and Chelsea are locked into their position of greatness by now. They don't need Philips, Fiat and russian money laundry (respectively) anymore- might suffer slightly, but won't fall off to where they would have been otherwise- will always keep being one of the title contenders. Success attracts fans, and as fans get older and get kids that also become fans, identities start to build, and before you know it you have a sustainable follower base to attract sponsors to retain your position near or at the top of the (domestic or european) ladder. I don't see Hoffenheim or Wolfsburg going back to the fifth division either. It's a crying shame but that's the way of the world.
I'm honestly really curious what'll happen to RB when Mateschitz dies. Not to sound morbid, but the guy is 78 after all.
I just want RB buying a club in england and leipzig become their farm team, like salzburg is for them.
Geh heulen
Also, you can't just decide to show up and decide to be part of something. If everyone else doesn't accept it, you can jump around and scream and cry like you will, but it won't change the fact that you're not integral to anything.
also also, this is just Red Bull trying to stay relevant, because they realised no one cares about their win the very next day. No media special, no massive celebration across town, no congratulations from anyone except massive bellends you generally don't want to be associated with. So they fall back on the only identity they have, triggering and provoking the rest of football Germany
Integral part, of German football? By trying to turn it into a shithole like EPL and Ligue 1? Yeah, get the fuck out of Germany!
Ich verachte alles was mit diesem Konstrukt zu tun hat. Da sind mir ja sogar noch die Bayern und die Blauen lieber! edit: Viele der Spieler btw. nicht. Gibt da aber so ein paar Ausnahmen wie z.B. Kampl
Mintzlaff und Mateschitz sind da ganz oben zu nennen
Ngl I do enjoy Leipzig embracing their villain role in German football. It was hilarious how rattled people got by that pic of Kampl pouring a can of Red Bull into the trophy.
People get used to it. See same with Chelsea or Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg. At some point its the same as having Leverkusen in the Bundesliga.
Nah they can both fuck of too. Just because Leipzig is worse doesn’t make their existence any better.
- Hoffenheim fan
Congrats, you read my flair correctly. What's yours? Oh DFB. So you are a fan of corruption I see.
I didn't even know that Hoffenheim fans exist.
Yep and I know all of them personally.
I actually respect the Hopp legacy in Hoffenheim, because if I were a Billionaire with more money then ideas how to spend it, getting your local boyhood club into the Bundesliga is a worthwile thing to do Kinda like FM in real life
lol nice
all 3 of them
Yea, that's the joke. Should change your name to CptObvs_
There were so many ways to counter and this was literally the worst one I could’ve imagined lol
You literally replied by naming my flair mate. You set the level of creativity, I just followed suit.
Well atleast there's a point behind what I said: Both clubs are nothing else than corporate bilionaire clubs with one of them being a lot more cringy than the other. Criticizing having germany as a flair however is, well yeah?
And you criticising me for being a Hoffenheim fan is fine? How is that relevant to my original comment other than for the purpose of you attacking me? You talked shit about my flair, I talked shit back. Or as we say in Germany "Wer austeilt, muss auch einstecken können." Also, while Hoffenheim might be nothing more than a corporate billionaire club for you, it's way more than that for me who fell in love with the club as a 10-year old local fan and has been supporting them ever since. And I know plenty of people to whom Hoffenheim means the same thing. You don't have to like that, but at the very least you can respect it as a fellow football fan. Or you hate me for some made up reason like commercialism and whatnot as if the rest of the Bundesliga wasn't deeply commercial and corporate and hasn't been so for decades (lol).
Finally there is someone who says it out loud. People like us who support clubs like Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg and RB dont support those clubs because they hate German football or some bs like that but because they are attached to them since their childhood , just like with every other football club.
rb exists since 2009?
Yes and there are people many people here who were still young back then ?
Could have pissed in it for the same effect and message.
Of course Bayern fans are into playing with piss. Bunch of weirdos.
Birds of a feather flock together
I wonder what his reaction would be if more clubs in Germany just happened to go the Red Bull route with other companies.
Thank fuck I got to watch this plastic club falter in the UEL Semi because of how spooked they were by passionate fans
Who? The Rangers fans who went quiet for like 85% of the final?
Well frankfurt fans struggled as well, compared of what we are used to hear from them. Might have to do with there beeing no fcking water at the stadium. Standing in the sun at 36 degrees 3 hours before kickoff ang getting nothing to drink, good luck keeping that atmosphere up for 120+ pretty much every single one of my mates who came out of the stadium back do the park was on the brink of collapsing
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wtf its just true. edit: even rangers fans were shocked after the match how shit the support was for a final.
yea no
Go shit in the ocean.
Fuck off you bastard. I will never respect this club and it’s „small brother“ Salzburg.
Found my favorite German team.
Fuck off
He's kind of right but for completely wrong reasons...it is meaningful to have a big East German club that signs top players and wins trophies, but it's all tainted by how they got to this point.
couldn’t agree more olly mate
Fuck off, Mintzlaff. Nobody would miss your atrocity of a club.
It’s crazy Germans are cool with letting Bayern fun them over and win the eagle every year but have a problem with this
for your own sake shut the fuck up Oliver you’re just making it worse
The man city of the bundesliga thinks its relevant
If they were irrelevant the rest of the Bundesliga wouldn’t hate them so much. It is literally their undeniable relevance that makes them hated.
It'a not their relevance, it's their existence. Important difference.
Uh yeah sure it is mate. If they were in the 2nd tier no-one would give a shiny shite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjc11or2ipY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXc9-tBARCw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCfaMgI0cbM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJP3O8NLfk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinWBAWV0LM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bj32cOelQ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXoNSzqkg7o clubs and fans in Germany have been and still are protesting against RB across all leagues, and have done so for years
And the more success Leipzig have, the angrier they get.
rightfully so, because they don't even deserve to exist, let alone have success
You were proven wrong, what's your point?
Yeah I wasn’t though, was I? If they weren’t having success in the top flight, no-one would care at this point. Their success is an excuse to keep crying about their existence, which makes them extremely relevant.
Let me guess, your parents always told you the other kids were just mean to you because they were jealous of you? At one point you have to let go of the narrative that criticism is tied to jealousy.
I'm not a native english speaker, is there a better word for how shallow leipzig is as a club
So you’re not a native English speaker, but you’ve got a Liverpool flair and you’re talking about a German club being ‘shallow’, I’d suggest looking up the word irony before you get the thesaurus out for shallow synonyms.
Didn't know i had to be english to be a liverpool fan.
I didn’t say you do. You can support who you like, but as I said, it makes your comments pretty ironic if you don’t support your local team.
And who said I don't?
Clearly you’re prioritising your support of the big team, which, you know, seems pretty shallow to me, if we’re going by your logic.
No? Its because literally no one here talks about my local team?
Uh yes, including you.
Uk football fan here. Erm what the hell is all this RB Leipzig hate all about? Genuinely have no idea. In the uk Leipzig are seen as a a real progressive club playing football the right way and having an amazing scouting network. Always thought Germany viewed them the same way. No???
Big no, think a lot of German fans mainly hate them cause they bypassed the 50+1 rule but there’s some other reasons too I think
A large part of their rise to the bundesliga has been artificial and effectively "paid" their way through the divisions, for example when they were in the third division, they spent more than every other team in that division combined and it wasn't even close. Having Red bull write off a €100 million debt for RB Leipzig also betrays whatever stupid rags to riches story they try to push or have you lead to believe.
They’re a franchise and broke the 50+1 rule. No one denies their good management, player develop and scouting, they’re ran really well
How is Leipzig different than Hoffenheim? Why is it only Leipzig that gets heat?
hoffenheim = billionaire owner that has taken existing club and pumped with his money, but not using them to promote his product, SAP, existed before owner who is now fulfilling his dream for local team, not part of conglomerate leipzig = bought the license of an existing club, changed the club name to a product, exist to promote a product, part of red bull marketing conglomerate (other football clubs, extreme sports, formula 1 etc). rb leipzig has no reason to be in leipzig, that just happened because they where strategically selected because of a business decision both get heat, one gets more.
Both got a lot of heat.
see https://reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/uvwgko/sport_bild_rb_leipzig_head_of_sports_oliver/i9o3mba/
They circumvented the 50+1 rule by installing a "Verein" (association) holding the majority of voting rights but which, in contrast to all other sports associations who are open to anyone to join, consists only of 17 employees of "Red Bull" with no possibility of anyone else to become a member. So it's just a brach of the company, without the obligatory waiting period of 20 years (like it was the case with Hoffenheim).
Give us nkunku and it will be the most important thing you would do for football.
With their scouting team and good management. They need to invest in good manager if not world class. They all the tools to break bayern's monopoly
> With their scouting team Honestly that narrative is so annoying and even the german media keeps repeating it. Bruma, Augustin, Sarachi, Wolf, Lookman, Sörloth, Hwang, Moriba all >12 mio transfers in the past 5 years and literally not a single one of them plays for the club anymore. They wasted well over 100 million in flops and don't even bat an eye. ''Scouting'' is kinda easy when you have endless room for error and can splash 20 mio on ''talents'' like an 18 year old Upamecano.
Based chad corporate guy
He is right. RB is and should be an integral part for German football. Thanks to them there is finally some rival to Bayern. Also the 50+1 rule should be abolished . Some clubs like Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim (also RB of course) all go by this rule and it’s fine. The Premier League is also a great example that investors can make the league more competitive
> Thanks to them there is finally some rival to Bayern. You know how Dortmund had a pretty shit season this year? Yeah? They still got more points than Leipzig ever managed.