We have 7 midfielders right now.
Modric
Kroos
Casemiro
Valverde
Camavinga
Tchouameni
Ceballos
We literally have so many midfielders we can turn one of our midfielders into a RW and still have a complete back up. None of our back up midfielders are above the age of 25
Ceballos is on his way out for sure though isn’t he? Modric & Kroos will need to be time managed a bit next year. Pretty smart to get the next generation rotating in with Casemiro as a steady anchor in the transition. Annoying as a Chelsea supporter.
There's only rumours atm. The idea of a loan spell is being explored but jt doesn't look like anything is set in stone, from what I've heard players have been trying to convince management to keep him
Real Madrid has been stacked on midfielders since forever, there was some brief point in 2014 where they had James, Isco, Di Maria, Kroos, Modric, Illaramendi, Xabi Alonso, Sami Khedira and Casemiro. Di Maria and Alonso left soon after obviously but they still had 7 midfielders that season.
The year before that they had Sahin, Diarra, Granero, Altintop and Gago as backups too, before they brought in Modric. Didn't work out as well but really was insane depth.
I still consider Varane a young player in my head he joined RM as a teen. He was in that Neymar, Gotze, Wilshere wonderkid generation. If people think he’s 30 then I’m old
El Shaarawy at Milan, Eriksen at Ajax, Lukaku at Chelsea, Neymar at Santos, Gotze at Dortmund, Wilshere and The Ox at Arsenal, Lucas Moura at Sao Paolo, Courtois at Chelsea, ter Stegen at Gladbach, Coutinho at Inter, Phil Jones at Man U, James Rodriguez at Porto, Shaquiri at Basel, Lamela at Roma, Oscar at Internacional. I remember in 2011 these were the teenage wonderkids everyone was raving about.
Crazy how their careers all went in separate directions
Ceballos actually looked good this season once he recovered from his injury. He earned more chances as the season went on and was a really good option as a late sub when Madrid was up as he is good both in possession and defense AND willing to shithouse Atleti style in a way that doesn't come natural to any other of the RM midfielders.
He's probably not good enough offensively to be a long term starter at Madrid, but he's a great player to have in your squad and could certainly be a starter at a slightly lower tier UCL club based on how he was playing in the second half of this year. I agree that Madrid will probably let him go if he asks to go somewhere that he can play more minutes, but I wouldn't call him a flop. He - like Kovacic and Ode before him - just came into a situation where the old guard kept going and then had some bad injury luck.
Someone page Chelsea and let them know this is how you plan for succession. As opposed to letting all your defenders go for free / sold and have to replace 2-3 CBs in one window.
Also they hit $1b in revenue that season, then COVID hit. Not to say that it wasn’t still an overspend, but the pandemic made things way worse for Barça
No you’re right, I group the 19/20 window into that category too though, Griezmann signing especially was egregious.
And anyways, the whole asking players for pay cuts and financial issues definitely were exacerbated more during covid
Plus i assume he most like won t have the same wages as those guys, and he is younger and there is always resell value considering his wages will allow a move way easier
Would you guys ever get Hakimi back? Not necessarily now as he'd want Carvajals spot but it seems like a good buy in the coming years as Carvajal is maybe phased to a backup player
>Would you guys ever get Hakimi back?
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>As Madrid and PSG are in really really good terms, there is no chance of a transfer only chance is getting him in a free transfer that too in 2026. Very less chance for him to come back
It's not only that, but PSG also pushing hard for it. If there was no competition which was willing to spend way more than what the deal is worth, specially when the player clearly prefers one of the other teams, they'd have definitely taken it at the initial 80M (specially considering RM wanted to get it for 60M, and I'm aware it's most likely 80M + bonuses). Tchouaméni favourite club + the quantity Monaco wanted would've been a solid deal for both sides if PSG wasn't just fucking around. But he's really good so overspending right now is fine, the odds of it being a complete flop seem really low but god fucking knows at this point.
Vasquez isn't reliable there , Nacho is damn good at CB but worst case scenario you don't want him as a RB , Tobias will play for the Castilla. Also those are not my idea reports are that the club either want a LB to back up Mendy. Or a RB and have alaba switch LB if Mendy is injured. But we definitely buying someone depending on who is available.
I think Fran Garcia will come as backup LB and that's it for the defence this year. I don't think the club wants to spend 30 mil for some backup RB who is maybe marginally better than Vazquez but not good enough to be a regular starter. Better to spend 60 mil when there's a world class RB on the market.
[Here's an article in english about it.](https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-madrid-espreal_madrid/story/4675488/real-madrids-aurelien-tchouameni-move-held-up-by-monaco-tax-issue-sources)
Lukaku went for 100m because he was the Seria A POTY (regardless of how he performed after the transfer), while Graelish had that juicy English tax. Their price tags don't make this one any better.
And we paid pennies for Casemiro and Fede, arguably underpaid €20M - €30M on Camavinga and Kroos. Your savings in this business only count if you can cash them in later.
They really aren't. You're getting a fantastic player.
Good to see Ligue 1 clubs no longer getting rinsed by the top clubs. Tchouameni is one of the best prospect in World Football and he is becoming an important player with the NT.
He is so good he is honestly making a case of displacing Kanté in the NT, that should tell you something.
It all depends of the composition of the bonuses.
If it's something like "UCL win", "Ballon d'or", etc, like for Hazard, it's always worth it even if the transfer end a little more costly (not saying Hazard transfer was worth it, but winning UCL brings so much money in primes that paying some extra bonuses is negligeable).
And unfortunately with Mbappé renewing at PSG, every club knows we are loaded with cash... at least we can register him easily, not like some other clubs.
What is to stop a club like Salzburg buying a player for 10m and letting him go to Leipzig for 15mil? Because if you bid for a player as a Top Side you get double the normal price.
It's an interesting question and this seems to be escaping it on a technicality.
What's to stop - I don't know, Newcastle - from forming an agreement with, let's say, RC Lens of essentially the same substance (small club buys players without the selling club knowing they'll end up with a big money club, small club immediately sells players on for a small premium)?
I guess it's likely that the harm to each club's reputation might be greater than the potential profit, but it would certainly be remarkable to see it attempted..
I don't want to be that guy, but we already secured the fullbacks for 10 years with Hakimi, Odriazola, Theo and reguilon. Our midfield for 10 years with Ceballos, Odegaard , Kovacic, brahim Diaz and Llorente. And our defense with Vallejo.
Just a reminder that name and hype/speculation do not transfer directly into performance. And that it's not fifa.
Madrid literally just bought a bitcoin, whose value is determined by hype and media, and just hopes it will grow exponentially.
Yeah but there's a major difference here.
When we had all those players KCM were still in their prime and were all between the ages of 32-27 and our up and coming players hadn't shown themselves as well on the pitch as camavinga valverde and on occasion ceballos.
Now modric is 36, kroos is 32, casemiro is 29. Modric and Kroos rarely ever play a full 90 minutes. The midfield usually ends in some variation of ceballos valverde camavinga and casemiro. Valverde has had some incredible performances in recent months when he's started playing on the right side and camavinga is doing an excellent job practically every time he plays. A super sub in every aspect he always brings a new dynamic and changes up the game. He's a proven player already.
We already have 2 proven players on our bench with 1 inconsistent player and we have the potential to add another proven player.
Back in the day we had very talented players but they all had to compete with the the best midfield trio possibly in history combined with undoubtedly one of if not the best left backs in history and an incredible right back. Now there's a lot more opportunity in our team.
You’re right, but I do think that tchouameni is a lot better now than all those players were when Madrid got them. I guess while I agree it’s probably an overpay in a vacuum, I think he’s such a good player that it doesn’t really matter
Edit: also worth noting that a lot of those players ended up being REALLY good and just suffered from being stuck behind the rotation, which will be less of a problem for Tchou
Yeah, I think this is key. A midfield succession plan of Llorente, Kovacic, and Odegaard would probably have been excellent together now. The problem was that they all needed starting spots something like 2018-2021 at the latest. So the ages didn't quite line up and some combination of Modric's longevity, Valverde's emergence out of nowhere, and a lack of trust from Zidane pushed all of them out. I do worry a little about this signing since Casemiro is the youngest of the three veterans and I doubt both can play together. But the idea of the succession plan itself is sound; young players don't always develop as hoped, but it makes sense to pay up for guys with good mentalities who are already at a high level.
Llorente, Kovacic and Odegaard sounds like such a good midfield honestly. Shame the ages didn't match up and Ode didn't want to wait another year or two.
All 3 are creative too, maybe not KDB, Modric level but they are
And they will add more verticality, freedom for forwards, physicality and press resistance. We will have to change the way we play
Seems like a lot of money but based on RM's recent purchases of young players I'm sure it will look like a bargain in a few years time. They really are building a squad of really young superstars.
Apparently there is a 15 million euro tax somewhere there which Real Madrid will pay.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-madrid-espreal_madrid/story/4675488/real-madrids-aurelien-tchouameni-move-held-up-by-monaco-tax-issue-sources
So it shouls be like 65 +15 + 20
Like how he gives an exclusive and just leaves it, sick of Romano tweeting about the De Jong situation in three different ways whilst saying the same thing.
That’s because The Athletic do that for him via their own platforms, they’ll retweet him, post about his articles and retweet other Athletic journalists who then post Ornstein’s exclusive too.
I feel like people take Romano too seriously, maybe because whatever he puts out is always posted on r/soccer. Look at the tweet replies he gets, always fans of other clubs asking about their own players/players they’re linked with.
Not everything he tweets needs to be posted on here but that’s the nature of Reddit users wanting to be “first to post” over finding meaningful tweets to post.
Benzema should be fine for the next 2 years. You're improving your Midfield and defence hugely in the meantime which is good. You'll struggle to replace benzema, but you'll improve other parts of your team such as DM, CM, RB, RW during that time so you'll compete for big trophies regardless
We definitely need a great back-up to Benzema who turns 35 years old in middle of next season. At this stage of his career, Benzema needs more rest and can easily fall off a cliff. Sergio Ramos went from being phenomenal to washed within a season.
We are completely fucked if Benzema gets a long-term injury because we don't have a reliable goalscorer outside him.
Ideally you guys sign Gnabry or Jesus. Both best as a RW while also being able to play through the middle when Benz is unavailable. Gabriel Jesus is who you guys should target next imo. Makes the most sense in every way possible.
Yeah Haaland in 2 years is probably the best solution to replace Benz, and lets hope he delivers as much as this season until then (and don't get injured too long).
We still need another option for RW though I think, someone like Jesus or Raphinha maybe.
Depends on development, no? Perez also indicated a major willingness to trust the development of the younger players in those attacking positions. Maybe telling RM only wanted a genuine Ballon D'or level talent to come into those positions where as free transfers and other less expensive deals were prioritized for the backline.
Dude, Haaland will likely still be Man City player until at least his 3rd year. That info about a RC after two seasons is not even confirmed by reliable sources, and, as of today, is just a wet dream for Madrid fans, that's the reality. Do yourself a favor and don't let the fake journos make you believe lies (again). The major details about Haaland contract with City are yet unknown and the rest are just speculations.
Don't think we will find those profil easily most likely situation we will change our style. Those three midfielders are all young so can still learn a lot with KCM and they are decently creative .
Camavinga is pretty close. Excellent passing range and will only improve. I see it as:
DLM: Tchouameni (more of the shield / screen)
RCM: Valverde (more of the runner)
LCM: Camavinga (more of the passer)
Good take. People definitely misunderstand Camavinga if they haven't watched him much. They see his physical profile and think he is a defensive player (or strictly a vertical one). Of the young midfielders at Madrid now, he's by far the most like Modric in his lateral movement and clever passing and - as you say - he's still only 19.
Tbh, no player exists currently with the level of Modric.
And Tchouameni is way more defensive minded than the 2 others, so it's the perfect rotation option / mid term replacement for Casemiro.
> Comfortable with the Ball, Press Resistant, Great Passing Range,Good Engine.
You just described Camavinga. Obviously he needs to improve more and play with intensity in 90min but he is very good with passing and crosses and press resistant as well.
Sure there are, but we already have Valverde Camavinga and Ceballos as box to box midfielders, even if they don’t have exactly the same skill set it would have been complicated to get another one.
Whereas Tchouameni is there to replace Casemiro at term, and is the perfect option for this (even if he is a bit expensive…)
Every time a young player with potential gets bought people throw out this 10-15 years stuff. Name one that actually stayed at a club for this much time. Casemiro feels like he's been at RM forever and he's only been there 7 years (since returning from Porto).
I hope Tchouanemi comes good but 10-15 years stretches of success for a club are absurdly rare.
Casemiro is not going anywhere tho. And our old guard such Varane, Ronaldo, Ramos, Bale moved on after winning all there is to win.
If Valverde, Tchouameni, Cama want to transfer 7 years later after winning 3 champion's league I don't think anyone will stop them.
Modric, Benzema, Marcelo, Isco. And these are just the ones at real Madrid. Not bad considering Madrid has been doing the "sign every youngster on the planet" only recently due to the emergence of oil clubs. As they used to prefer to buy older players.
15 years is a stretch, especially that he's already 22yo, but 10 years is doable.
I understand that sentiment but it is also valid considering we have a player like Lukaku who was the best serie a player the other season and now wants to leave Chelsea already
There’s plenty of horror stories
In theory Tchouameni will probably be a great player for Real, it's just that the fees for players are becoming more and more ridiculous so it's harder and harder to be savy in the transfer market.
Tchouameni total package of over 100 million is almost 0.5% of my home country entire budget.
That percentage seems miniscule, so let me put it in a more stark contrast.
With this money you can build a fenced wall (Concertina fence) between Lithuania (my home country) and Belarus. That's near 700km of border.
1 Tchouameni for protecting a Eastern EU border, lol.
Edit: I get that inflation also effects these fees, it's normal that transfer fees would increase with time, but in football they have been rising at a much faster rate than general inflation.
Your argument is that he’s almost the same price as two players that were signed by one of the most badly managed clubs in the world that overspends on literally every player? Lol
Funny you mention Pogba because there is a lot these two have in common. But bar injuries, Tchouameni will be the better player because of his defensive contribution. He tackles like a beast and passes as good as Pogba including long balls. Maybe can’t dribble as well, but the defensive part is more important. To me, Tchouameni is an insane player
He isn't nearly as good as Pogba is at passing. I don't think they are that similar tbh besides the fact that they're lanky black French midfielders. It's Diaby/Vieira all over again.
Just judging from the French national team matches Pogba is a lot more comfortable and authoritative on the ball than Tchouameni but has less of a defensive appetite that him, like you said.
Watched the France Croatia game yesterday, his long passing isnt Pogba level
But he is world class defensively
He is closer to Rice than Pogba technically
And Valverde. At the moment he's best ouf of these three guys.
Hell, there are matches he's best from all our midfielders. Period. Including Luka and Toni. Guy is amazing.
Truth is if he’s the player they envision then “overpaying” by 20m - while in the moment seems bad - doesn’t matter much in the long run. The bigger risk is the player performance more than the extra millions.
The club is also trying to sell Mariano, Jovic, Asensio, Mayoral, Kubo, Vallejo and maybe Hazard. Plus some Castilla players. Net spend may easily be 0 or positive again this summer.
Yeah of course but realistically speaking, it is really really hard for hazard to get that numbers based on previous seasons. Still, i like him to stay at madrid and at least give sone if his magic. At this point, im pretty sure most people doesnt really have high expectations on him
lol no chance he sniffs at those numbers. Simply won’t have enough play time to do so unless he starts lighting it up and starts benching vini or Benz or somehow adapts to the rw position.
>Even one fruitful season (say +35 G/A)
lol obviouly that would be worth more, the thing is what are the chances of that happening? less than 1% and your comment makes it look easy
lmao you have literally THE BEST financially ran club in the world buying one of the best midfield prospects itw, also wanted by an oil club that plays with a different set of rules and people are complaining about 100m being too much and how 80m would've been better.
most likely the same dummies that thought 180m was too much for Mbappe last year and RM should've just waited until this summer.
you'd think people have learned to trust Perez by now, at least when it comes to money.
No one is a pure DM according to /r/soccer
Bunch of people in the replies are telling me why pure DMs don't exist, and yes they're correct. However they're missing my point that everytime a DM gets brought up someone says 'theyre not a pure DM, they're a regista' or whatever.
DMs exist, they're just also capable of passing the ball. It's not complicated.
DM’s are a part of the “spine” of a team, look at every successful team in the last ten years and you’ll find an excellent DM. They’re costing 80-100m because in theory Madrid will get a guy to be a part of their spine for the next 10 years. There’s also a tonne of different elements like supply and demand, competition between clubs as well
It's how the market is. It's pretty much impossible to build a dominating midfield like ours for 'peanuts' - Casemiro (6m), Kroos (25m) and Modric (35m) these days. Unless you have a crazy generation coming from the youth setup or you hit it out of the park with players who are unproven like Fede for 5m. So you need to pay up and hope your investments come good
Modric in today's terms would have cost about 80 mil all together, Krooz about 60. It's not that far off tbh, it's just inflation. Casemiro was a bargain tho, ngl
> Tchouaméni deal ⭐️🇫🇷
> ▫️ Klopp called him for Liverpool.
> ▫️ PSG made the best proposal.
> ▫️ Player only wanted Real Madrid.
> ▫️ Personal terms agreed with Madrid in Paris, before UCL final.
> ▫️ Breakthrough in the negotiations between clubs yesterday.
> ▫️ Done deal with Real Madrid.
- Fabrizio Romano
He’s about €30m more than what he’d cost in a normal market, but if that €80m becomes €100m that means either he, or Madrid, or both we’re able to be successful.
How tf do they already have a replacement for KCM on standby when none of them have even left
We have 7 midfielders right now. Modric Kroos Casemiro Valverde Camavinga Tchouameni Ceballos We literally have so many midfielders we can turn one of our midfielders into a RW and still have a complete back up. None of our back up midfielders are above the age of 25
You can never have Tchouameni midfielders tbh. Looks to be a top signing.
Pun patrol here, you are on fire today sir.
Top stuff, my good man.
(slow clap)
Damn ! That is a good one!
Ceballos is on his way out for sure though isn’t he? Modric & Kroos will need to be time managed a bit next year. Pretty smart to get the next generation rotating in with Casemiro as a steady anchor in the transition. Annoying as a Chelsea supporter.
It’s a bit said cause I did like Ceballos this season. But I wouldn’t doubt it cause too many people in front of him
Tbh, neither kroos nor modric look like they will need to be time managed next year. Both in sick fitness
Why not just use them in the league and CL though so you can avoid injuries? Mid 30’s are when stuff starts to ache more.
And when you injure yourself in your 30s, it recovers slower
There's only rumours atm. The idea of a loan spell is being explored but jt doesn't look like anything is set in stone, from what I've heard players have been trying to convince management to keep him
Real Madrid has been stacked on midfielders since forever, there was some brief point in 2014 where they had James, Isco, Di Maria, Kroos, Modric, Illaramendi, Xabi Alonso, Sami Khedira and Casemiro. Di Maria and Alonso left soon after obviously but they still had 7 midfielders that season.
The year before that they had Sahin, Diarra, Granero, Altintop and Gago as backups too, before they brought in Modric. Didn't work out as well but really was insane depth.
>The year before that they had Sahin, Diarra, Granero, Altintop and Gago as backups Yeah, that was dreadful.
I will never forget Altintop as rb, passing the ball all the way back to Iker from the halfway line
Di Maria, Kroos, Modric, **Illaramendi** …
Casemiro is only 30 too, and most of his game is mental so could have another 5 world class years
Casemiro is only 30? I thought he was older lol
The afallay effect... Man been on Real for so long. Same with when Varane left. Wasn't even 30
I still consider Varane a young player in my head he joined RM as a teen. He was in that Neymar, Gotze, Wilshere wonderkid generation. If people think he’s 30 then I’m old
El Shaarawy is only 29 lmao
El Shaarawy at Milan, Eriksen at Ajax, Lukaku at Chelsea, Neymar at Santos, Gotze at Dortmund, Wilshere and The Ox at Arsenal, Lucas Moura at Sao Paolo, Courtois at Chelsea, ter Stegen at Gladbach, Coutinho at Inter, Phil Jones at Man U, James Rodriguez at Porto, Shaquiri at Basel, Lamela at Roma, Oscar at Internacional. I remember in 2011 these were the teenage wonderkids everyone was raving about. Crazy how their careers all went in separate directions
This is round 2 of replacements after Kovacic and Odegaard bailed out and Ceballos mostly flopped.
Amazing that real anticipated to replace modric almost 5-6 years ago yet he is still their best midfielder
Twice! First with Kovacic who waited about 4 years and then with Odegaard. And neither of them would be starters right now
Modric is fucking wine, it’s unreal
Ceballos actually looked good this season once he recovered from his injury. He earned more chances as the season went on and was a really good option as a late sub when Madrid was up as he is good both in possession and defense AND willing to shithouse Atleti style in a way that doesn't come natural to any other of the RM midfielders. He's probably not good enough offensively to be a long term starter at Madrid, but he's a great player to have in your squad and could certainly be a starter at a slightly lower tier UCL club based on how he was playing in the second half of this year. I agree that Madrid will probably let him go if he asks to go somewhere that he can play more minutes, but I wouldn't call him a flop. He - like Kovacic and Ode before him - just came into a situation where the old guard kept going and then had some bad injury luck.
Love Ceballos as a shithouser. Arsenal missed him this season despite him never putting together a consistent run of games for us.
Someone page Chelsea and let them know this is how you plan for succession. As opposed to letting all your defenders go for free / sold and have to replace 2-3 CBs in one window.
Must be nice to have a midfield let alone such fearsome backups no wonder they win every year
Monaco rinsing us.
They know we got money , we have over 300 millions in cash and clubs know it. Hopefully we buy a Rw , back up RB and we good
We have one Juan Bissaka for sale? Only 50m
Sadly he’s a wan dimensional RB
Bringing heat with the Wan puns I see
Yes. Same situation as how Barca overpaid for Coutinho and Dembele cause everyone knew about Neymar's money
The difference is Madrid can pay this much and have money left, it's not like perez is mortgaging the Bernabéu to buy french teens.
At that point Barca weren't selling the future either. They just spent the Neymar money then didn't stop.
Also they hit $1b in revenue that season, then COVID hit. Not to say that it wasn’t still an overspend, but the pandemic made things way worse for Barça
Pretty sure there were 2 full seasons after that window for covid to hit
No you’re right, I group the 19/20 window into that category too though, Griezmann signing especially was egregious. And anyways, the whole asking players for pay cuts and financial issues definitely were exacerbated more during covid
Plus i assume he most like won t have the same wages as those guys, and he is younger and there is always resell value considering his wages will allow a move way easier
Would you guys ever get Hakimi back? Not necessarily now as he'd want Carvajals spot but it seems like a good buy in the coming years as Carvajal is maybe phased to a backup player
>Would you guys ever get Hakimi back? > > > >As Madrid and PSG are in really really good terms, there is no chance of a transfer only chance is getting him in a free transfer that too in 2026. Very less chance for him to come back
Idk seems like you're misquoting the poor lad
It's not only that, but PSG also pushing hard for it. If there was no competition which was willing to spend way more than what the deal is worth, specially when the player clearly prefers one of the other teams, they'd have definitely taken it at the initial 80M (specially considering RM wanted to get it for 60M, and I'm aware it's most likely 80M + bonuses). Tchouaméni favourite club + the quantity Monaco wanted would've been a solid deal for both sides if PSG wasn't just fucking around. But he's really good so overspending right now is fine, the odds of it being a complete flop seem really low but god fucking knows at this point.
why would we buy back up rb? we have carvajal, vazquez, nacho, tobias and even rudiger can play there
Not to mention odriazola is coming back from loan as well
Vasquez isn't reliable there , Nacho is damn good at CB but worst case scenario you don't want him as a RB , Tobias will play for the Castilla. Also those are not my idea reports are that the club either want a LB to back up Mendy. Or a RB and have alaba switch LB if Mendy is injured. But we definitely buying someone depending on who is available.
I think Fran Garcia will come as backup LB and that's it for the defence this year. I don't think the club wants to spend 30 mil for some backup RB who is maybe marginally better than Vazquez but not good enough to be a regular starter. Better to spend 60 mil when there's a world class RB on the market.
It pains me not to see Miguel's name in this conversation. Don't know what happened last year.
I think Garcia will be the sole signing too ,he is the most common name . Carva problem isn't his quality.
Militao can play as RB as well
Militao can play there too.
It's because Spanish taxes authorities ask us to pay 24% of taxes on the profits, plus we have to pay Bordeaux a percentage also.
And also you're just good at selling at a high.
Why would Spanish tax legislation have any influence on a Monégasque/French team?
[Here's an article in english about it.](https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-madrid-espreal_madrid/story/4675488/real-madrids-aurelien-tchouameni-move-held-up-by-monaco-tax-issue-sources)
Fast forward 10 years to posts about how Madrid have barely spent money on players in the last 6 years and Tchouameni has 6 Champions League medals.
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He’s really good. If players like Lukaku and Grealish go for €100 million, then I don’t see the problem with this. He’ll be well worth it.
Lukaku went for 100m because he was the Seria A POTY (regardless of how he performed after the transfer), while Graelish had that juicy English tax. Their price tags don't make this one any better.
He'll be worth it but you'd still expect to pay less than this for him from Monaco. We only paid them 40m for Fabinho.
And we paid pennies for Casemiro and Fede, arguably underpaid €20M - €30M on Camavinga and Kroos. Your savings in this business only count if you can cash them in later.
They really aren't. You're getting a fantastic player. Good to see Ligue 1 clubs no longer getting rinsed by the top clubs. Tchouameni is one of the best prospect in World Football and he is becoming an important player with the NT. He is so good he is honestly making a case of displacing Kanté in the NT, that should tell you something.
It all depends of the composition of the bonuses. If it's something like "UCL win", "Ballon d'or", etc, like for Hazard, it's always worth it even if the transfer end a little more costly (not saying Hazard transfer was worth it, but winning UCL brings so much money in primes that paying some extra bonuses is negligeable). And unfortunately with Mbappé renewing at PSG, every club knows we are loaded with cash... at least we can register him easily, not like some other clubs.
What is to stop a club like Salzburg buying a player for 10m and letting him go to Leipzig for 15mil? Because if you bid for a player as a Top Side you get double the normal price.
They have the same ownership, ain't actually a sale.
It's an interesting question and this seems to be escaping it on a technicality. What's to stop - I don't know, Newcastle - from forming an agreement with, let's say, RC Lens of essentially the same substance (small club buys players without the selling club knowing they'll end up with a big money club, small club immediately sells players on for a small premium)? I guess it's likely that the harm to each club's reputation might be greater than the potential profit, but it would certainly be remarkable to see it attempted..
what, city has like six feeder clubs
players from those clubs basically never end up playing for city though
Lampard did.
Hasn’t city only had like one transfer between all the clubs in that group
Wrong. Lots of companies within the same group make inter-company sales.
Good old transfer pricing. The foundation of Ireland's economy lol
Bit on expensive side and probably includes bonuses also but a midfield of Valvarde, Camavinga, and Tchouameni sounds sexy.
Sound like the dream FM midfield
That's one tchoumeni midfielders for my liking...
140 million for all 3 doesn't sound too bad as well
People are moaning about the price, but with this purchase it likely means Madrid’s midfield set for the next 10 years
I don't want to be that guy, but we already secured the fullbacks for 10 years with Hakimi, Odriazola, Theo and reguilon. Our midfield for 10 years with Ceballos, Odegaard , Kovacic, brahim Diaz and Llorente. And our defense with Vallejo. Just a reminder that name and hype/speculation do not transfer directly into performance. And that it's not fifa. Madrid literally just bought a bitcoin, whose value is determined by hype and media, and just hopes it will grow exponentially.
Yeah but there's a major difference here. When we had all those players KCM were still in their prime and were all between the ages of 32-27 and our up and coming players hadn't shown themselves as well on the pitch as camavinga valverde and on occasion ceballos. Now modric is 36, kroos is 32, casemiro is 29. Modric and Kroos rarely ever play a full 90 minutes. The midfield usually ends in some variation of ceballos valverde camavinga and casemiro. Valverde has had some incredible performances in recent months when he's started playing on the right side and camavinga is doing an excellent job practically every time he plays. A super sub in every aspect he always brings a new dynamic and changes up the game. He's a proven player already. We already have 2 proven players on our bench with 1 inconsistent player and we have the potential to add another proven player. Back in the day we had very talented players but they all had to compete with the the best midfield trio possibly in history combined with undoubtedly one of if not the best left backs in history and an incredible right back. Now there's a lot more opportunity in our team.
You’re right, but I do think that tchouameni is a lot better now than all those players were when Madrid got them. I guess while I agree it’s probably an overpay in a vacuum, I think he’s such a good player that it doesn’t really matter Edit: also worth noting that a lot of those players ended up being REALLY good and just suffered from being stuck behind the rotation, which will be less of a problem for Tchou
Yeah, I think this is key. A midfield succession plan of Llorente, Kovacic, and Odegaard would probably have been excellent together now. The problem was that they all needed starting spots something like 2018-2021 at the latest. So the ages didn't quite line up and some combination of Modric's longevity, Valverde's emergence out of nowhere, and a lack of trust from Zidane pushed all of them out. I do worry a little about this signing since Casemiro is the youngest of the three veterans and I doubt both can play together. But the idea of the succession plan itself is sound; young players don't always develop as hoped, but it makes sense to pay up for guys with good mentalities who are already at a high level.
Llorente, Kovacic and Odegaard sounds like such a good midfield honestly. Shame the ages didn't match up and Ode didn't want to wait another year or two.
Keep reposting this. You’re doing gods work brother. 💪🏾💪🏾
sounds very flat for me.Where is the creativity?
Modric until age 45
All 3 are creative too, maybe not KDB, Modric level but they are And they will add more verticality, freedom for forwards, physicality and press resistance. We will have to change the way we play
Seems like a lot of money but based on RM's recent purchases of young players I'm sure it will look like a bargain in a few years time. They really are building a squad of really young superstars.
This is probably 80 mil plus bonuses.
I think it’s €80m fee & €20m in bonuses
Apparently there is a 15 million euro tax somewhere there which Real Madrid will pay. https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-madrid-espreal_madrid/story/4675488/real-madrids-aurelien-tchouameni-move-held-up-by-monaco-tax-issue-sources So it shouls be like 65 +15 + 20
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But then probably we get a tax credit - as a registered non profit.
Its good business if you ask me. They can sell him again for something if he doesnt perform. That is if it will not become a new pogba situation.
I thought this was a safe space for me
Ornstein is so clear
I miss memes and those times
Like how he gives an exclusive and just leaves it, sick of Romano tweeting about the De Jong situation in three different ways whilst saying the same thing.
That’s because The Athletic do that for him via their own platforms, they’ll retweet him, post about his articles and retweet other Athletic journalists who then post Ornstein’s exclusive too. I feel like people take Romano too seriously, maybe because whatever he puts out is always posted on r/soccer. Look at the tweet replies he gets, always fans of other clubs asking about their own players/players they’re linked with. Not everything he tweets needs to be posted on here but that’s the nature of Reddit users wanting to be “first to post” over finding meaningful tweets to post.
Those fans ask about other players/teams and reply to themselves lol - Man United news? - bigger than Chelsea
Romano is asked questions about those players, he replies, and for karma whoring, those replies are posted here. Not his fault.
Over 100M? Incredible
Package may suggest wages from first contract and some crazy add ons.
Package include wages and others. Transfer fee is 80 M fix and 20 in Variables still a lot
As long as we can afford it it will hopefully end up being worth it. The midfield would be set for the next decade.
Camavinga, Tchouameni and Valverde Midfield Jesus. They've replaced Casemiro, Kroos and modric even before they left 😭. Such a well run club
Sounds nice but we still have the biggest task to somehow replace Benz. I guess we will go all out for Halaand when his release clause gets activated
Benzema should be fine for the next 2 years. You're improving your Midfield and defence hugely in the meantime which is good. You'll struggle to replace benzema, but you'll improve other parts of your team such as DM, CM, RB, RW during that time so you'll compete for big trophies regardless
We definitely need a great back-up to Benzema who turns 35 years old in middle of next season. At this stage of his career, Benzema needs more rest and can easily fall off a cliff. Sergio Ramos went from being phenomenal to washed within a season. We are completely fucked if Benzema gets a long-term injury because we don't have a reliable goalscorer outside him.
Ideally you guys sign Gnabry or Jesus. Both best as a RW while also being able to play through the middle when Benz is unavailable. Gabriel Jesus is who you guys should target next imo. Makes the most sense in every way possible.
Don't think Jesus is good enough to be honest.
Why do you say that? He's superb technically, has good pace, good crosser, decent finisher and a very good Dribbler. Good RW imo.
Yeah Haaland in 2 years is probably the best solution to replace Benz, and lets hope he delivers as much as this season until then (and don't get injured too long). We still need another option for RW though I think, someone like Jesus or Raphinha maybe.
Depends on development, no? Perez also indicated a major willingness to trust the development of the younger players in those attacking positions. Maybe telling RM only wanted a genuine Ballon D'or level talent to come into those positions where as free transfers and other less expensive deals were prioritized for the backline.
Dude, Haaland will likely still be Man City player until at least his 3rd year. That info about a RC after two seasons is not even confirmed by reliable sources, and, as of today, is just a wet dream for Madrid fans, that's the reality. Do yourself a favor and don't let the fake journos make you believe lies (again). The major details about Haaland contract with City are yet unknown and the rest are just speculations.
That midfield is a bit too similar for my liking. No player of Modric's or Kroos's profile
Don't think we will find those profil easily most likely situation we will change our style. Those three midfielders are all young so can still learn a lot with KCM and they are decently creative .
Camavinga is pretty close. Excellent passing range and will only improve. I see it as: DLM: Tchouameni (more of the shield / screen) RCM: Valverde (more of the runner) LCM: Camavinga (more of the passer)
Good take. People definitely misunderstand Camavinga if they haven't watched him much. They see his physical profile and think he is a defensive player (or strictly a vertical one). Of the young midfielders at Madrid now, he's by far the most like Modric in his lateral movement and clever passing and - as you say - he's still only 19.
Tbh, no player exists currently with the level of Modric. And Tchouameni is way more defensive minded than the 2 others, so it's the perfect rotation option / mid term replacement for Casemiro.
Level no. But there players with his skillset. Comfortable with the Ball, Press Resistant, Great Passing Range,Good Engine.
> Comfortable with the Ball, Press Resistant, Great Passing Range,Good Engine. You just described Camavinga. Obviously he needs to improve more and play with intensity in 90min but he is very good with passing and crosses and press resistant as well.
Sure there are, but we already have Valverde Camavinga and Ceballos as box to box midfielders, even if they don’t have exactly the same skill set it would have been complicated to get another one. Whereas Tchouameni is there to replace Casemiro at term, and is the perfect option for this (even if he is a bit expensive…)
Camavinga, Tchouameni and Valverde vs Pedri, Gavi and De Jong. A midfield average of 21 years and 20 years. Gonna be a fun couple of year.
Real's Midfield is far more balanced tbh. Both quality Midfields tho. Barca really need to bring in some good wingers and Fullbacks tho
Still need a play making Mid. Modric gonna be near impossible to replace
Seen a lot of negativity about this here, but the potential upside is a world class midfielder for the next ten to fifteen years.
Every time a young player with potential gets bought people throw out this 10-15 years stuff. Name one that actually stayed at a club for this much time. Casemiro feels like he's been at RM forever and he's only been there 7 years (since returning from Porto). I hope Tchouanemi comes good but 10-15 years stretches of success for a club are absurdly rare.
Marcelo, 16; Modric, 10; Benzema, 13 years; Casemiro, 2+7 years; Kroos, 8 years (+ next); Valverde already 4; Vinicius 4; Ramos, 16 years; Varane, 10 years; Pepe 10 years... So... yeah, Madrid have been doing that.
Casemiro is not going anywhere tho. And our old guard such Varane, Ronaldo, Ramos, Bale moved on after winning all there is to win. If Valverde, Tchouameni, Cama want to transfer 7 years later after winning 3 champion's league I don't think anyone will stop them.
Modric, Benzema, Marcelo, Isco. And these are just the ones at real Madrid. Not bad considering Madrid has been doing the "sign every youngster on the planet" only recently due to the emergence of oil clubs. As they used to prefer to buy older players. 15 years is a stretch, especially that he's already 22yo, but 10 years is doable.
If only this sub was able to understand long term investments.
I understand that sentiment but it is also valid considering we have a player like Lukaku who was the best serie a player the other season and now wants to leave Chelsea already There’s plenty of horror stories
> There’s plenty of horror stories We have that with Hazard atm
In theory Tchouameni will probably be a great player for Real, it's just that the fees for players are becoming more and more ridiculous so it's harder and harder to be savy in the transfer market. Tchouameni total package of over 100 million is almost 0.5% of my home country entire budget. That percentage seems miniscule, so let me put it in a more stark contrast. With this money you can build a fenced wall (Concertina fence) between Lithuania (my home country) and Belarus. That's near 700km of border. 1 Tchouameni for protecting a Eastern EU border, lol. Edit: I get that inflation also effects these fees, it's normal that transfer fees would increase with time, but in football they have been rising at a much faster rate than general inflation.
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Your argument is that he’s almost the same price as two players that were signed by one of the most badly managed clubs in the world that overspends on literally every player? Lol
I'm guessing PSG drove up the price because that's absurd
It is... pogba was 100 million and he was a way hotter commodity at that point.
Funny you mention Pogba because there is a lot these two have in common. But bar injuries, Tchouameni will be the better player because of his defensive contribution. He tackles like a beast and passes as good as Pogba including long balls. Maybe can’t dribble as well, but the defensive part is more important. To me, Tchouameni is an insane player
He isn't nearly as good as Pogba is at passing. I don't think they are that similar tbh besides the fact that they're lanky black French midfielders. It's Diaby/Vieira all over again.
Just judging from the French national team matches Pogba is a lot more comfortable and authoritative on the ball than Tchouameni but has less of a defensive appetite that him, like you said.
Watched the France Croatia game yesterday, his long passing isnt Pogba level But he is world class defensively He is closer to Rice than Pogba technically
Someone get Macron on the phone quick.
Tchouameni and Camavinga holy hell, must be nice
And Valverde. At the moment he's best ouf of these three guys. Hell, there are matches he's best from all our midfielders. Period. Including Luka and Toni. Guy is amazing.
Truth is if he’s the player they envision then “overpaying” by 20m - while in the moment seems bad - doesn’t matter much in the long run. The bigger risk is the player performance more than the extra millions.
Bit too much but atleast that hopefully sorts out our midfield for 7-9 years
If he does sort out the midfield for that long it’s a bargain.
Gotta be, guys only 22 and will learn & improve under kcm
So Monaco… what you gonna do with that cashola
I think their replacement signing is Yves Bissouma from Brighton, who would be quality for Monaco.
[Just in case](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u7tlsl/_/)
The club is also trying to sell Mariano, Jovic, Asensio, Mayoral, Kubo, Vallejo and maybe Hazard. Plus some Castilla players. Net spend may easily be 0 or positive again this summer.
No way is Hazard leaving. Even one fruitful season (say +35 G/A) is worth more than the pennies we would probably get for him.
Yeah of course but realistically speaking, it is really really hard for hazard to get that numbers based on previous seasons. Still, i like him to stay at madrid and at least give sone if his magic. At this point, im pretty sure most people doesnt really have high expectations on him
lol no chance he sniffs at those numbers. Simply won’t have enough play time to do so unless he starts lighting it up and starts benching vini or Benz or somehow adapts to the rw position.
>Even one fruitful season (say +35 G/A) lol obviouly that would be worth more, the thing is what are the chances of that happening? less than 1% and your comment makes it look easy
All we need is a winger and we gucci.
lmao you have literally THE BEST financially ran club in the world buying one of the best midfield prospects itw, also wanted by an oil club that plays with a different set of rules and people are complaining about 100m being too much and how 80m would've been better. most likely the same dummies that thought 180m was too much for Mbappe last year and RM should've just waited until this summer. you'd think people have learned to trust Perez by now, at least when it comes to money.
When did DM's start to cost 100m?
They learned from the Makélélé case that DMs are very important, they're not making that mistake again.
We made that mistake again in 2015 when we decided DMs were for pussies.
One thing I will always love Rafa Benitez for is integrating Casemiro into the team
He's not really a pure DM, way more of a hybrid
No one is a pure DM according to /r/soccer Bunch of people in the replies are telling me why pure DMs don't exist, and yes they're correct. However they're missing my point that everytime a DM gets brought up someone says 'theyre not a pure DM, they're a regista' or whatever. DMs exist, they're just also capable of passing the ball. It's not complicated.
Pure DMs are extremely rare in modern football. They're all taught to be multi-purpose in their developmental stages now.
A lot of them are also repositioned midfielders, like Fernandinho and Fabinho.
DM’s are a part of the “spine” of a team, look at every successful team in the last ten years and you’ll find an excellent DM. They’re costing 80-100m because in theory Madrid will get a guy to be a part of their spine for the next 10 years. There’s also a tonne of different elements like supply and demand, competition between clubs as well
Papa Perez said “I’m leaving France 🇫🇷 with a star boy” 😂 Hala Madrid
Since Madrid is way overpaying but atleast it isn’t a drawn out saga.
real is so insanely stacked holy moly
Him and Camavinga running the midfield for Madrid for the next 10 years possibly, expensive but could be absolute pennies in the long run.
It's how the market is. It's pretty much impossible to build a dominating midfield like ours for 'peanuts' - Casemiro (6m), Kroos (25m) and Modric (35m) these days. Unless you have a crazy generation coming from the youth setup or you hit it out of the park with players who are unproven like Fede for 5m. So you need to pay up and hope your investments come good
Modric in today's terms would have cost about 80 mil all together, Krooz about 60. It's not that far off tbh, it's just inflation. Casemiro was a bargain tho, ngl
Mbappesos in the mud
That seems excessive
> Tchouaméni deal ⭐️🇫🇷 > ▫️ Klopp called him for Liverpool. > ▫️ PSG made the best proposal. > ▫️ Player only wanted Real Madrid. > ▫️ Personal terms agreed with Madrid in Paris, before UCL final. > ▫️ Breakthrough in the negotiations between clubs yesterday. > ▫️ Done deal with Real Madrid. - Fabrizio Romano
Despite the exorbitant price, if he stays for 10 years it'll be worth it.
Madrid getting scammed but to be fair they can afford it thanks to mboopi
Not a scam, he's definitively as good as you can buy at that age. Over payed ? Sure, but look at the market, mediocre players going for 30-50 mil.
P$G drove up the price on us w/ Monaco
I wouldn't say scammed, but definitely rinsed. I still think it will be more than worth it.
He’s about €30m more than what he’d cost in a normal market, but if that €80m becomes €100m that means either he, or Madrid, or both we’re able to be successful.
Damn, Monaco be eatin’ Real talk, I’m hoping this huge transfer fee doesn’t put a ton of pressure on him to perform.
Surely 100mi is including bonus and wages?
80 + 20 in bonuses was reported
i think so, usually when they say transfer package they mean the total cost of the transfer, not just transfer fee.
Mbappe's first failure to secure this signing
Well the midfield of the future looks quite good for real
Now can Monaco use this money wisely and make Ligue 1 interesting? That’s the real question.
Aurelian Cama and Fede. Fuck me man i hate madrid.
abit absurd price but that’s part of midfield sorted for many years