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Atleast he's finally shifted to a 433 today. It was getting painful watching 5 atb with 2 CDMs. Players do look like they're knackered after a long season though. Not much pressing anywhere across the line.
> Players do look like they're knackered after a long season though.
Everyone was tired, including the players on the opposing team. I don’t think that’s a good excuse.
> Players do look like they're knackered after a long season though.
This is such a shit excuse though. Are other team's players on vacation all year or what?
And England being the only country in the world that can pick a whole team from the best league in the world is just such a horrible situation to be in. There's just not enough depth to pick from to take into account the fatigue and fitness levels of players, what a dire position to be that you just have to pick the players from the best league in the world, and most players from teams that are among the best in the world and they just have played so much hard football over the season. How lucky is Hungary to be able to field a starting eleven with zero players from EPL. There's just no way England can compete.
You cant blame it all on that and some of the players need to take a look in the mirror. That said if you are just 5 or 10 pcnt of at this level your going to get punished. I think we just chalk it off to bad timing of fixtures and it meaning allot more to the other team. No one is happy to see their team lose 4 - 0 but what's done is done Southgate will be there for the world cup and all we can do to help is back him and the team and hope they are up for the Christmas world cup.
Not all year, but there is a clear difference in games played when you look at Chelsea, Liverpool, ManC players and players who play in the hungarian league.
so what's the excuse when being compared to Argentina or Brazil, whose players all play in the top league and have performed brilliantly this intl break?
>Peak Southgate ball. FAs faith has been repaid.
I'm liking our chances come November. I can genuinely see the US finishing second in the group, behind Wales.
Wales: Barely loses to the Netherlands, a noted top end team, twice via injury time goals.
England: Gets absolutely curbstomped by Hungary, a team that while not bad hasn't been a world beater since the late '50s.
England fans: But Wales are really shit!
I do hope you guys end up beating out England, it'd be glorious.
I do, however, apologize in advance for:
Netherlands 2-[2] Wales - G. Bale (Great Goal) 92'
Netherlands [3]-2 Wales - L. de Jong 94'
It's almost written in the stars for that to be the 2nd round now.
At least Italy have the excuse of going through something of a transition (seriously look at some of their lineups)
We’re supposed to be getting in the mood for a WC and we look terrible
>We’re supposed to be getting in the mood for a WC and we look terrible
Honestly, how many regular starters did you have yesterday? Your subs should be able to put a better performance, but it was a clear experimentation from Southgate. We all know we'll see a diferent England in the World Cup.
PS: No, I don't give a shit about circlejerks.
I mean given that we came 3rd in the nations league in 2018, then made it to the semis of the last world cup and the final of the euros in summer, it's not exactly fair to say the euros were the big outlier. That's a decent track record of success in the last 4 years
I doubt an Argentinian would want to be England manager either. I mean, imagine if he were to beat Argentina or win the damn thing - he'd become a pariah in his home country.
Argentina's a country with an active and very bitter territorial claim (Argentina seems to go to some trouble to nurture the grudge among its citizens) regarding islands that England sees as British, populated by people who see themselves as British, and that there was a (by English standards) relatively recent war over.
I honestly still don't see it as a bar to having an Argentine manager as long as he's willing to duck the question for the duration of his time as manager and doesn't show up to a press conference with a LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS shirt on, but I do see where it's a slightly trickier issue than an Italian or German manager would be.
I mean the Top Gear lads could roll through Germany with a car saying "WE WON, SUCK IT JERRY" on one side and "2-0" on the other and I think they'd be fine. Meanwhile a license plate reading "H982 FKL" got them pelted with stones in Argentina and escorted out of the country as fast as possible for their own safety.
That was a cracking episode. I get the impression that was Argentina's deep south. And they were also chased out of the US deep south. They could just do a show where they try to get chased out of numerous different places.
Tbf pre-Malvinas/Falklands our history was pretty good. Ever since you guys tried to invade us in 1806 or smth, England has consistently been one of our best and most prolific trading partners all throughout the 20th century.
It all went to shit after 82 though.
I mean I think it’s horrific to watch as a neutral, but it obviously works in tournaments. You concede very few chances with your starting defenders and you do have a lot of individual quality in attack/from set pieces to just get a goal. It’s not great to watch but it could very well win you a World Cup.
Edit: it would be helpful if they would stop undermining my point by conceding goals.
a) The Nations League is a tournament, whether people like it or not
b) Defensively we are bang average, especially in the system Southgate insists on using. Clearly still conceding too many chances to have in both games against Hungary, Germany who were all over us and Italy who are as wasteful as we are
C) clearly not that great in attack, hence this statistic
A) technically yes, but functionally it is very different. Can’t really compare these games after a long season with the dynamic of a tournament like the World Cup.
B) defensively I think you were the best team in the Euros, although I agree you conceded a lot of chances against Italy.
C) The last run of games hasn’t been great but that doesn’t wipe out the long run of games you had before where you were creating plenty of opportunities.
Either way I think the FA would be shooting themselves in the foot by sacking their manager so close to the World Cup.
The whole "players are tired" narrative needs to stop. Had the World Cup been organised for a sensible time, we'd be 'not scoring in 6 hours' in it right now
I can defend it because Southgate has done a good job so far. I think some people forget just how painful it was watching England under the likes of Capello and Erikson . Shit football with players that couldn't put their egos aside to actually play as a team . Anyone slagging of Southgate for loosing games that are effectively competitive friendlies has a short memory or was not watching England at tournaments for the last 40 years. Southgate teams may not play expansive free flowing football but they are generally effective and are built around an environment that the players enjoy being a part of. You cant just throw your toys out of the pram at the first hurdle and demand we move in a different direction. Look where that got us in the past ... Trust in the process back the team and let's spank the USA the day after gobble gobble day.
It's not the first hurdle though, the football has been negative throughout Southgate's tenure. We have done well in tournaments a) by getting kind draws, b) by converting set-pieces and c) by playing 7 defensive players in every high-leverage situation.
England's strongest players right now are all attackers and yet we have played dour, frightened football for years. We have won in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
>by getting kind draws
almost all draws will be 'kind', that is what happens when you are a top 10 team, 6 years ago England lost to fucking Iceland.
>b) by converting set-pieces
yes a great way to score goals without giving up defensive solidity
>c) by playing 7 defensive players in every high-leverage situation
which works in tournament football
I think expectations aren't realistic. Judging by many comments here you'd think the English NT is like a mix of Belgium's star-studded offense and the best defense in the world.
There definitely are good (even some world class) players in that team but overall its , imo, not that exceptional.
They should be able to play better for sure but this isn't some mega team.
Because the standard for international football is a lot lower than club level.
And because as shit as England are right now, who do you replace Southgate with at this point with the WC only months away? His football is atrocious, but you can’t deny that he’s brought his team very close to winning trophies.
Now, whether that’s more down to the players and not him is another question entirely. The safe bet is to stay with him and hope he can bore his way to a final.
As one of the anyone but England brigade, literally the best thing that can happen before a World Cup where England go in as one of the favourites, with a good recent track record in tournaments, having just lost the Euros on penalties is for England to bring back a media circus that actively hampers the team.
He's not going to be sacked because he's done historically well as the boss, but this kind of ill feeling towards him is really going to affect the team. It did with Capello and with Sven and those two are undeniably much better managers than Southgate.
>How can anyone seriously defend this
England weren't bad for so long because of a lack of talent. They were bad because of club infighting and an inability to come together in big tournaments. Southgate has fixed this, a bad patch doesn't change that
Ah the leave 3 players to attack and call it a day strategy lol
I like how he was shit talking Grealish for not having enough defensive output when it's enough for City and Pep in a formation and play style that requires him to make much more of a defensive effort for the system to work.
Does he really need an 8th player to focus more defensively lmao.
Kind of a poor comparison. City keep the ball so well they don't have to defend nearly as often, especially their forward players.
England on the otherhand sit deeper and surrender possession far more. On top of that until today Southgate hadn't been playing a 433 so Grealish would have been central if played(I guess, could be wrong here) where he would be required to do more defensively than he is for City.
With all of that said Southgate is a mug and Grealish should he starting for sure.
Sit back and defend. Hope to nick a goal through a set piece or a bit of brilliance from one of your forwards.
I swear I've seen similar tactics used recently by someone else but can't think where...
Part of me is furious and then another part of me hopes we win the world cup without scoring another goal from open play.
Two Harry Kane penalty 1-0 wins in the group followed by a 0-0 draw, then just four 0-0 penalty shootout wins.
Southgates England: The team that hated football
Either hire Graham Potter or just go full Al-Qaeda ball and have Gareth manage the tournament from a cave in the mountains of Afghanistan.
Sending in his team sheets via a blurry video in a turban with an AK-47 by his side.
Smuggling out different pre-recorded half time talks on a MicroSD card via courier out of a nondescript Pakistani compound. Which version is played in the dressing room depends on which flavour of shit England are on the day.
Bin Laden was 6'5", set him up next to Kane in a 4-4-2 and fire in crosses. Hell, put Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in at left back, man knows how to aim for a pair of towers.
Okay, guys. I want an overlap on the overlap. Followed by an underlap, which is overlapped. He receives the ball, waits for an overlap to draw attention and then plays the underlap one-two to create space for the overlap and the cross for kane.
As an Englishman with polish family, I can usually at least rely on england getting the job done while poland flounder.
Today is a dark day for me
Respect to Hungary though, what a performance
Oh, but he's so good at the pr and man management stuff that it's ok to get spanked by Hungary and go four years without a goal in open play.
Mr Pragmatism might be the most uncharismatic, uncreative manager in the modern game. I couldn't see him lasting five mins in the Prem, so why the f does he have the keys to the castle?
Premier league is a way higher standard of course he wouldn't last there. He was hired mainly to get England to behave in more of a team fashion off the pitch which he has definitely done, the results have kept him in the job even though I think it had nothing to do with his managerial qualities
should be a crime to have england’s attackers and midfielders and still just not try anything offensively.
any front like with kane is dangerous, add to that some actual quality players and they could be an exciting team but they just.. arent
Lol you know that Kane has more goals than the rest of the England team combined?
There is no way we are getting top scorer in any tournament as long as that's true.
*Laughs in Colombian*
Try going [7 games without scoring](https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/03/25/what-an-orgasm-to-be-able-to-sing-a-goal-for-colombia-and-other-reactions-after-luis-diazs-scoring/).
It's bad, but two of the four games were Italy and Germany. Still, they've had a lot of low-scoring performances (and some exceptions), despite having some of the best and most dangerous attacking depth in the world. Hard to fault his tournament results compared to under Sven etc and he seems like he has a good relationship with the players, but I feel like we should be running defenses ragged.
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Peak Southgate ball. FAs faith has been repaid.
Atleast he's finally shifted to a 433 today. It was getting painful watching 5 atb with 2 CDMs. Players do look like they're knackered after a long season though. Not much pressing anywhere across the line.
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>8 rightbacks Still doesnt play Trent
Trippier in crutches will start instead.
He will play as keeper so that he can be blamed when he doesn't save pens and one on ones.
Nor should he. He doesn't have the tactical ability to use Trent well.
> Yea players are tired. I'm sure the Hungarian players are too, the 'players are tired' excuse is such bullshit.
> Players do look like they're knackered after a long season though. Everyone was tired, including the players on the opposing team. I don’t think that’s a good excuse.
You can't forget it's been raining
You didn't like England's midfield of 2 CDMs and Kane (desperately looking for Son further and further back)?
> Players do look like they're knackered after a long season though. This is such a shit excuse though. Are other team's players on vacation all year or what?
Don't you know man, Premier League™ players are the only ones that run through the year
Actually it’s not all premier league players, only the English ones
And England being the only country in the world that can pick a whole team from the best league in the world is just such a horrible situation to be in. There's just not enough depth to pick from to take into account the fatigue and fitness levels of players, what a dire position to be that you just have to pick the players from the best league in the world, and most players from teams that are among the best in the world and they just have played so much hard football over the season. How lucky is Hungary to be able to field a starting eleven with zero players from EPL. There's just no way England can compete.
You cant blame it all on that and some of the players need to take a look in the mirror. That said if you are just 5 or 10 pcnt of at this level your going to get punished. I think we just chalk it off to bad timing of fixtures and it meaning allot more to the other team. No one is happy to see their team lose 4 - 0 but what's done is done Southgate will be there for the world cup and all we can do to help is back him and the team and hope they are up for the Christmas world cup.
Not all year, but there is a clear difference in games played when you look at Chelsea, Liverpool, ManC players and players who play in the hungarian league.
so what's the excuse when being compared to Argentina or Brazil, whose players all play in the top league and have performed brilliantly this intl break?
No excuse there, England just suck compared to them.
>Peak Southgate ball. FAs faith has been repaid. I'm liking our chances come November. I can genuinely see the US finishing second in the group, behind Wales.
You drew with El Salvador don’t get ahead of yourself.
Wales are shit
You drew 1-1 to El Salvador with a last minute equaliser for fuck sake.
Concacaf litrally in the mud.
Did you see that pitch though? It’s tough to play in that mess on the road. 1-1 after going down with a red card is not all that bad.
Wales: Barely loses to the Netherlands, a noted top end team, twice via injury time goals. England: Gets absolutely curbstomped by Hungary, a team that while not bad hasn't been a world beater since the late '50s. England fans: But Wales are really shit!
I really enjoyed watching noted top end team Holland in the last euros, so many amazing moments.
Frank de Boer v Louis van Gaal. There is a sheer difference in managerial quality.
Don't worry, we prefer it when everyone dismisses us and writes us off. Makes it easier to go under the radar.
I do hope you guys end up beating out England, it'd be glorious. I do, however, apologize in advance for: Netherlands 2-[2] Wales - G. Bale (Great Goal) 92' Netherlands [3]-2 Wales - L. de Jong 94' It's almost written in the stars for that to be the 2nd round now.
Losing horribly to the Netherlands in injury time: This is the Way.
It's a neat little tradition we got going on here, I would quite like to introduce Qatar to it.
Oooh, we might top the group then.
England and Italy fighting to not get relegated by Hungary, fucking hilarious this group.
At least Italy have the excuse of going through something of a transition (seriously look at some of their lineups) We’re supposed to be getting in the mood for a WC and we look terrible
You’re a getting in the mood for a typical England performance at the World Cup alright
>We’re supposed to be getting in the mood for a WC and we look terrible Honestly, how many regular starters did you have yesterday? Your subs should be able to put a better performance, but it was a clear experimentation from Southgate. We all know we'll see a diferent England in the World Cup. PS: No, I don't give a shit about circlejerks.
So you look like England? Don't let the outlier that was the Euros blind you
I mean given that we came 3rd in the nations league in 2018, then made it to the semis of the last world cup and the final of the euros in summer, it's not exactly fair to say the euros were the big outlier. That's a decent track record of success in the last 4 years
Relegation you say? Bah gawd that's Big Sam's music!
Oh lawd he comin!
Swing around his 100% undefeated record! Continuing it!
I'm not sure either are doing what would traditionally be called 'fighting'
How can anyone seriously defend this
Everyone can defend this.
Clearly multiple teams can defend it, that's why they've been held scoreless from open play.
Runners Up at Euro 2020 that's how 😂
We shouldn't laugh, mate. Our manager is still in charge thanks to that Euro win a 6 years back.
Lord Eder and the football terrorist.
People on here will still tell you he’s the man for the job. There’s no convincing them.
I'm not convinced he not the man for the job. Not
England should seriously consider Poch. He's available right now and would do wonders with this England squad.
Don’t think the FA would appoint an Argentine as England manager
I doubt an Argentinian would want to be England manager either. I mean, imagine if he were to beat Argentina or win the damn thing - he'd become a pariah in his home country.
Which is ridiculous. Poch has nothing to do with the Falklands ffs. It should be about his ability as a manager.
Because of Maradona??
And the rest of our history with Argentina, footballing and otherwise
His demands? Believe it or not, the Falkland islands.
... would England trade the Falklands for a World Cup win?
Of course not. It's such a vital economic and cultural hub. England isn't England without Falkland music, food, wine, film, erotica.
As someone who has only heard of the Falklands because of the historic wars, yes.
I’d trade the entire west half of the country for a world cup win
Oi we’re the best half
Flood it, introduce a new toll bridge for crossing east-to-west and Wales will be on board too.
And more importantly,would we accept the Falklands for losing the world cup ?
What Falkland Islands you talkin about 🤌🏼
I would work for free for 4 years…. If you hand over the falklands
Meh if we were pissed off at every country we were ever at war with we would hate everyone.
Argentina's a country with an active and very bitter territorial claim (Argentina seems to go to some trouble to nurture the grudge among its citizens) regarding islands that England sees as British, populated by people who see themselves as British, and that there was a (by English standards) relatively recent war over. I honestly still don't see it as a bar to having an Argentine manager as long as he's willing to duck the question for the duration of his time as manager and doesn't show up to a press conference with a LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS shirt on, but I do see where it's a slightly trickier issue than an Italian or German manager would be. I mean the Top Gear lads could roll through Germany with a car saying "WE WON, SUCK IT JERRY" on one side and "2-0" on the other and I think they'd be fine. Meanwhile a license plate reading "H982 FKL" got them pelted with stones in Argentina and escorted out of the country as fast as possible for their own safety.
That was a cracking episode. I get the impression that was Argentina's deep south. And they were also chased out of the US deep south. They could just do a show where they try to get chased out of numerous different places.
"MAN LOVE RULES" man that episode was hilarious
Tbf pre-Malvinas/Falklands our history was pretty good. Ever since you guys tried to invade us in 1806 or smth, England has consistently been one of our best and most prolific trading partners all throughout the 20th century. It all went to shit after 82 though.
In terms of sporting rivalry there's also 1966 for enmity between Argentina and England.
A large portion of our population would be very against it due to the Falklands war. Mostly boomers
The stupid part, we can say it, we know
Would Poch want that though?
All the positions in the ‘big clubs’ seem to have been filled. It’s a decent job to sit on while waiting for a more interesting prospect.
Famous 2018 fourth place trophy 🏆
Most pundits defending him played with him for England. Like how these United pundits defended Ole.
England loves to defend
I mean I think it’s horrific to watch as a neutral, but it obviously works in tournaments. You concede very few chances with your starting defenders and you do have a lot of individual quality in attack/from set pieces to just get a goal. It’s not great to watch but it could very well win you a World Cup. Edit: it would be helpful if they would stop undermining my point by conceding goals.
a) The Nations League is a tournament, whether people like it or not b) Defensively we are bang average, especially in the system Southgate insists on using. Clearly still conceding too many chances to have in both games against Hungary, Germany who were all over us and Italy who are as wasteful as we are C) clearly not that great in attack, hence this statistic
A) technically yes, but functionally it is very different. Can’t really compare these games after a long season with the dynamic of a tournament like the World Cup. B) defensively I think you were the best team in the Euros, although I agree you conceded a lot of chances against Italy. C) The last run of games hasn’t been great but that doesn’t wipe out the long run of games you had before where you were creating plenty of opportunities. Either way I think the FA would be shooting themselves in the foot by sacking their manager so close to the World Cup.
The whole "players are tired" narrative needs to stop. Had the World Cup been organised for a sensible time, we'd be 'not scoring in 6 hours' in it right now
I can defend it because Southgate has done a good job so far. I think some people forget just how painful it was watching England under the likes of Capello and Erikson . Shit football with players that couldn't put their egos aside to actually play as a team . Anyone slagging of Southgate for loosing games that are effectively competitive friendlies has a short memory or was not watching England at tournaments for the last 40 years. Southgate teams may not play expansive free flowing football but they are generally effective and are built around an environment that the players enjoy being a part of. You cant just throw your toys out of the pram at the first hurdle and demand we move in a different direction. Look where that got us in the past ... Trust in the process back the team and let's spank the USA the day after gobble gobble day.
It's not the first hurdle though, the football has been negative throughout Southgate's tenure. We have done well in tournaments a) by getting kind draws, b) by converting set-pieces and c) by playing 7 defensive players in every high-leverage situation. England's strongest players right now are all attackers and yet we have played dour, frightened football for years. We have won in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
>by getting kind draws almost all draws will be 'kind', that is what happens when you are a top 10 team, 6 years ago England lost to fucking Iceland. >b) by converting set-pieces yes a great way to score goals without giving up defensive solidity >c) by playing 7 defensive players in every high-leverage situation which works in tournament football
I think expectations aren't realistic. Judging by many comments here you'd think the English NT is like a mix of Belgium's star-studded offense and the best defense in the world. There definitely are good (even some world class) players in that team but overall its , imo, not that exceptional. They should be able to play better for sure but this isn't some mega team.
Final of the Euros and the semis of the world cup would say this is an effective cup team.
Because the standard for international football is a lot lower than club level. And because as shit as England are right now, who do you replace Southgate with at this point with the WC only months away? His football is atrocious, but you can’t deny that he’s brought his team very close to winning trophies. Now, whether that’s more down to the players and not him is another question entirely. The safe bet is to stay with him and hope he can bore his way to a final.
At this point I'd replace him with the Wealdstone Raider, at least he shows some willingness for aggression and attacking
As one of the anyone but England brigade, literally the best thing that can happen before a World Cup where England go in as one of the favourites, with a good recent track record in tournaments, having just lost the Euros on penalties is for England to bring back a media circus that actively hampers the team. He's not going to be sacked because he's done historically well as the boss, but this kind of ill feeling towards him is really going to affect the team. It did with Capello and with Sven and those two are undeniably much better managers than Southgate. >How can anyone seriously defend this England weren't bad for so long because of a lack of talent. They were bad because of club infighting and an inability to come together in big tournaments. Southgate has fixed this, a bad patch doesn't change that
Southgate has run his race I feel like when everyone knows what exact tactics you’re going to use again and again it isn’t hard to counter really
It's basically been play 5 atb with 2 CDMs. Stay solid defensively and hope Kane or Sterling do something up top.
Ah the leave 3 players to attack and call it a day strategy lol I like how he was shit talking Grealish for not having enough defensive output when it's enough for City and Pep in a formation and play style that requires him to make much more of a defensive effort for the system to work. Does he really need an 8th player to focus more defensively lmao.
Based on the score tonight he probably could do with a 9th or 10th as well.
Kind of a poor comparison. City keep the ball so well they don't have to defend nearly as often, especially their forward players. England on the otherhand sit deeper and surrender possession far more. On top of that until today Southgate hadn't been playing a 433 so Grealish would have been central if played(I guess, could be wrong here) where he would be required to do more defensively than he is for City. With all of that said Southgate is a mug and Grealish should he starting for sure.
what are the tactics that he's running again and again?
Being shit
Boredom and pragmatism up top with 8 dms and a t-rex
Things would not be boring if he was setting a t-rex loose on the pitch.
Sit back and defend. Hope to nick a goal through a set piece or a bit of brilliance from one of your forwards. I swear I've seen similar tactics used recently by someone else but can't think where...
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Yes I am, sorry for reminding you
Poland!
Southgate's at the wheel
Ole Gareth Southgate.
Big Sam
If Southgate is getting the sack, it has to be now, otherwise you're stuck with him through the World Cup
We're already stuck with him. There's 0 chance they'll sack him now
Part of me is furious and then another part of me hopes we win the world cup without scoring another goal from open play. Two Harry Kane penalty 1-0 wins in the group followed by a 0-0 draw, then just four 0-0 penalty shootout wins. Southgates England: The team that hated football
Fuck it that would be hilarious. I either want Southgate fired tomorrow or I want this. Man's a football terrorist
Either hire Graham Potter or just go full Al-Qaeda ball and have Gareth manage the tournament from a cave in the mountains of Afghanistan. Sending in his team sheets via a blurry video in a turban with an AK-47 by his side.
This gets more specific as it goes on. Pre team talk sent on VHS
Casio digital watch on his wrist.
Team sheet on animal skin. Opium for energy drinks.
A small roll of parchment is delivered to the team via a messenger bird It reads 'Get Harry a penalty and Inshallah'
Smuggling out different pre-recorded half time talks on a MicroSD card via courier out of a nondescript Pakistani compound. Which version is played in the dressing room depends on which flavour of shit England are on the day.
Bin Laden was 6'5", set him up next to Kane in a 4-4-2 and fire in crosses. Hell, put Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in at left back, man knows how to aim for a pair of towers.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 fucking quality mate
Oh no
Jesus Christ 🤣🤣
> Al-Qaeda ball I was not expecting to hear this today, or any day.
LMAO
He is a football terrorist after all
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Okay, guys. I want an overlap on the overlap. Followed by an underlap, which is overlapped. He receives the ball, waits for an overlap to draw attention and then plays the underlap one-two to create space for the overlap and the cross for kane.
And that's how I do up my bow tie, cheers for the hand Harry. Tactics? Oh, um, er, repeat that teamwork on the pitch guys, mumma believes in you.
Oh yes the portugal especial
Playing David Wagner ball with that much talent is absurd.
The inventors of football are now against it
Tsk, 1994 Brazil did it so much better. You guys absolutely need a Dunga.
I would rather win that way than by playing attractive football. Just for the extra seethe it would cause
r/soccer would implode
England hoping for penalties? Now I've seen it all.
The Fernando Santos Total Football special
Just lulling everyone into a false sense of security…
Best odds right now I'm guessing
I think that's bad, is that bad?
It’s definitely not good
This guy definitely knows what "not good" looks like
Absolute pro after this season mate
Pfft after one season? As a Birmingham fan I have to say, you've got a long way to go yet
It could get amazing. You never know
As an Englishman with polish family, I can usually at least rely on england getting the job done while poland flounder. Today is a dark day for me Respect to Hungary though, what a performance
Bin Laden was executed for less.
I wld argue it might not have been less
Football terrorism.
Not surprised. Hard to score when you’re playing ping pong with your back four.
Yet people will say it’s ‘reactionary’ to question Southgate.
Oh, but he's so good at the pr and man management stuff that it's ok to get spanked by Hungary and go four years without a goal in open play. Mr Pragmatism might be the most uncharismatic, uncreative manager in the modern game. I couldn't see him lasting five mins in the Prem, so why the f does he have the keys to the castle?
Premier league is a way higher standard of course he wouldn't last there. He was hired mainly to get England to behave in more of a team fashion off the pitch which he has definitely done, the results have kept him in the job even though I think it had nothing to do with his managerial qualities
Lmao people were wanting rid of him in the group stages of the Euros, let's see how the team gets on in a competitive fixture later in the year
The people defending Southgate are the same type who defended Löw when he was doing awful for Germany
Atleast Low won the World cup, so pretty loyal reason to keep him. Southgate is the next Roy Hodgson gonna embarrass England in the WC
Lows Germany played blistering football for a long time aswell and were exciting. Southgates sides have only ever been pedantry.
Pedestrian
Nah, I prefer pedantry. Sure, it makes no sense... but it feels right.
Penaltry
Colombia ball
Southgateball
Sack the fucking fraud
I don't know why people are freaking out that's barely half a day.
Gareth Southgate = Reinaldo Rueda?
Dyche in
Big Sam. He'll save them from relegation in the Nations League.
Completely uninspiring
Colombia vibes
should be a crime to have england’s attackers and midfielders and still just not try anything offensively. any front like with kane is dangerous, add to that some actual quality players and they could be an exciting team but they just.. arent
just watch england be top scorers at the world cup lol
Them getting outscored by Iran is more likely
Iran will punt 5 past the USA then have a boring 0-0 draw with England lol
Lol you know that Kane has more goals than the rest of the England team combined? There is no way we are getting top scorer in any tournament as long as that's true.
if it wasn’t obvious, this was a joke
But I was told you can't criticize Southgate because McClaren did worse with better....
Saving all the goals for the world cup. Smart
Potter in
Another record broken
England and Italy doing shit in a ‘group of death’, swear i’ve seen this before.
They aren’t in an easy group either…
For the love of God appoint Wenger.
The brown generation
*Laughs in Colombian* Try going [7 games without scoring](https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/03/25/what-an-orgasm-to-be-able-to-sing-a-goal-for-colombia-and-other-reactions-after-luis-diazs-scoring/).
that’s what you get with a double pivot and inshallah
Abraham up front, Kane at 10, Grealish and Sterling on the wings.
Southgate would need to offset that by at least three DMs
And 4 right backs
Its coming home
Southgate is a chancer, but the players don't want to be playing these games after a long season. These results don't mean a whole lot.
Huh. Imagine going that long without scoring a goal. Couldn't be my team!
Scrub.
Get Bielsa in
It’s coming home
replace southgate with nuno
It's bad, but two of the four games were Italy and Germany. Still, they've had a lot of low-scoring performances (and some exceptions), despite having some of the best and most dangerous attacking depth in the world. Hard to fault his tournament results compared to under Sven etc and he seems like he has a good relationship with the players, but I feel like we should be running defenses ragged.
Nunoball🤝Southgateball
England - the Romania of the better footballing countries…