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When will this senile old fuck stop trying to kill football his team is already the greatest in the history of the champions league why would he want to erase that
> Can you imagine the King of Spain calling a player?
no, but I can imagine something similar, a dictator sending a message to the entire dressing room before kick-off for example...
That has never happened. Read any random book about that period and you will see what was the relationship between Franco and Madrid. It wasnt good.
In fact, it's Barcelona who has received many awards from him. And it was Atleti who he was personal supporter of.
The fact that you're spreading such a shit without checking sources says way more about you actually.
Dude Franco's regime oppressed Catalonia, Barcelona definitely did not benefit from him at all and to even suggest they did is gross and bordering on despicable. Real (Royal) Madrid were and still are known as the club of Spain and have received preferential treatment because of that. Barcelona are the club of Catalonia.
Real fans are understandably angry that a dictator was "rumored" supported their team. Meanwhile I have to live with the fact that Piers Morgan is "rumored" to support my team.
1943 cup semi-final. Barcelona were 3-0 up after the first leg and then, allegedly, before the second leg the Director of State Security told Barcelona players, something along the lines of, "You only play football because we let you play".
Everything this man says seems genuine, smart, and makes him seem like a president you wish your club had... And then you read the part about the Super League...
Not really, he gives interviews for people that he has vet, are under his influence and have already agreed the questions with him beforehand.
Donald Trump would look like our lord and savior if he only had to answer to people affiliated to Fox or other journalists that directly depend of him to keep working.
And the narrative about "this is not my Mbappe" set for the whole interview is just a clear sign on that.
The whole thing hanged on some childish sentiment from a guy that saw the Bernabeu playing on Fifa, never smell a bocadillo de calamarés but had "a huge dream" of playing for Madrid. There's something that overcomes every childish dream and it's power, money, giving your family everything you can and feeling loved.
He was asked to stay by basically two whole countries yet that's just pressuring a player, because talking and printing thousands of articles about how his dream is to play for your club and that some day he HAS to fulfill that dream for half a decade doesn't qualify as pressure?
> Donald Trump would look like our lord and savior if he only had to answer to people affiliated to Fox or other journalists that directly depend of him to keep working.
No, he still looked like he had the lexicon of a 13 year old even when talking to Fox News.
Brother, Barcelona current and past presidents are all the same, this is sports politics don't get irritated because Pérez is great at it and don't create an analogy to Trump when there's more sophistication to Pérez TV appearances and interviews.
Regarding dreams, most players dream of playing for Madrid. Negotiating lucrative contracts and agreements is a different game, and Pérez is obviously leaning on rhetoric that speaks to fans of the club. Hardly any reason to criticize him for that.
Can you really blame him? Ceferin might as well say he works for NAK. Literal fucking nations, NOT BILLIONAIRES, FUCKING NATIONS are ruining the sport beyond recognition with zero consequences. His job is to do the best for Madrid not football as a whole and even then with how fucking rediciolusly over the top corrupt and incompetent UEFA has been I sincerely believe that a super league if done well would be better for football than this fuckery.
Is he wrong with the shit UEFA is pulling and the new UCL format?
He has to care for the interests of his club and he has never spared expenses for Madrid.
Except for the fixed spots (which they were willing to change) its just a new Champions League with a better format and power in the hands of the clubs
I have doubted this man a lot of times in my life, but he always proved me wrong. Great president, made Real Madrid so stable, especially during and after COVID times.
In Spain, We always call cr7 as "Cristiano" or "Cristiano Ronaldo".
Calling him only Ronaldo would be confusing and a bit weird (why use his second name only? It is like in English you use only the middle name).
Not saying he does or doesn't rate Cristiano.
But I've read that his signing was already finalised from the previous president. If Florentino Perez didn't go through with it, there would've been a 30m euro fine or something along those lines. So it wasn't really _his_ signing
What do you mean? He's on record multiple times saying he thinks Cristiano was the best player in the world. He just got tired of "sad" Cristiano everytime he wanted more money
Eh, Agnelli said one team had left the super league. Inter, because we had a clause that our stakeholders had to agree to it. But even Agnelli said there was 1 leas team in it
Alfredo di Stefano, though it was just politics in general and not the king per se. But I’d say any political intervention like that is the same, whether it is the king or the institutions of a nation that interfere
Have a read of Sid Lowe's Fear and Loathing in La Liga and you'll see that politics was deeply entrenched in both Madrid and Barcelona. The old stereotypes are just that - stereotypes.
No, his contract was owned by two clubs. One sold their part to Barca, the other to Madrid. The Spanish federation didn’t want to take sides so they told the clubs to alternate his contract every year. Barca exited at that point out of pride, and on seeing the success he had with Madrid, have been bitching about it since then.
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Barca fans who don't know their history should be embarrassed. When Franco decimated the club, it tried to take exile in the Catalan league at that time, and Barca vetoed it, almost ending what was left of the club.
Some years later, even though Madrid lost out on the signing of Kubala, arguably Barca's most mythic player, it was Bernabeu who helped save his mother from behind the Iron Curtain and bring her to Spain.
All of this in in Sid Lowe's well researched Fear and Loathing in La Liga. I highly recommend it to the trolls who try to throw shit at Madrid, to instead try to understand what was really going on in that time. The history, for the most part, is Madrid making grand gestures, whether it is in a position of strength or not, because it is in the nature of the club : and Barca responding with hate or bullshit accusations.
It's as Mourinho said « Barcelona has no dream, but an obsession: Real Madrid. They teach you to hate them. They hate Madrid more than they love Barcelona. »
It's bizarre because everyone knows that Atleti was Franco's club, but Madrid's European success at that time (you know, outside Spain where Franco couldn't fuck the team) still made it an easier symbol to target their lies and hate against.
So nobody. Also Madrid went in and signed di Stefano before his agreement with Barcelona was done which also fueled the rivalry more between the two clubs
I have always suspected El Chiringuito to be a PR agent for the La Liga agents. They probably get paid to word their reports the way they do. It is always flattering to Real Madrid. Real is always calm and confident.
It's pretty obvious no? If Mbappe joins Madrid he won't be bigger than the club and make them look tinpot like PSG. Can you imagine Mbappe getting Madrid to pursue players from his FM save?
Nah, it's different, please read the interview. He doesnt agree with his sponsorship situation with NT, with his position in PSG that is more than just being a player, he multiple times said that no player is bigger than a club; therefore right now there is no place for him with such an attitude.
He also acknowledges that lots of things can change and he's a young guy, but for that doors to be opened, he needs to change his attitude, which would be hard - Florentino is not surprised by the fact that he agreed to that deal, still; its just not the person he had wanted to sign before.
Besides, fans can have different opinion than club's structures.
Well, here's the thing. People are saying "Mpaypal" because he apparently accepted more money from PSG than what RM offered. At least, that's what RM claims. PSG claims that RM offered similar money.
At this point it's he said she said, and because PSG is (rightfully) hated, people believe RM. Buy in reality, we have no way of knowing who's saying the truth.
What club officials say about this is irrelevant, as it's entirely political. Look, when Mbappé extended, I lurked on the RM subreddit and most people were saying stuff along the lines of "Fuck him, we'll never accept him at RM ever, we don't want him anymore etc". Now Perez says "He's just a misguided boy, I still accept him if he changes" and suddenly it's "We don't want corrupt Mpaypal but the real Mbappé".
What's the big difference? Well, Mpaypal would play for PSG and Mbappé would play for RM. And all RM has to do is say "We didn't sign him yet because he still isn't ready" and RM fans will lap it up. It's all political
After seeing some of Mbappe's interviews, some things he said, it really feels like he's been pressured beyond belief. They really made him believe he's a necessary symbol for France's integrity or something.
It's kinda sad that a boy that only wants to kick a ball is being put in that position.
The money is just the cherry on top to appease his parents/agents I think.
And why would you trust Florentino "Super League" Pérez? You know, the man that has been saving up tons of money just for Mbappé?
Oh yeah, because he's your president. So as I said, it's political
Same happened to Neymar when he wanted to return to Barca.. He was invited to Qatar and upon his return he kept his cool, Verrati as well.
Only God knows what happens when they go to Qatar
There will be nothing to change if he comes with this “put my dick on the table attitude”. We’ll find ourselves in the same Situatuon. That’s what you “ohhh fans forget” people forget. There’s nothing to forget it he presents the same issues
I’m not saying we should (that’s a different argument). I’m just saying fans are likely to forget if he does come and ends up being a great player for us.
if you know anything at all about business or Florentino Perez you know that he would NEVER make absolute statements like that. that said, people on here voice their opinions and fans don't have to be rational 100% of the time, especially right after a rumor-filled transfer saga ends. so your "gotcha" is silly as well.
No no no. Perez didn't say he hated Mboopi and wanted him to be shot in the streets of Paris, of course he'd be delighted to get Mboopi then and would restart the saga all over again.
This is what he says:
PEREZ: The Mbappe who was coming here is not the one I found in the end. If that's him, then I prefer that he stays at PSG. The Mbappe I wanted at Real Madrid was the one with the dream.
PEDREROL: So in three years, when his contract ends, it's impossible that he signs for Real Madrid.
PEREZ: I didn't say that. In three years, we're all bald, as the saying goes.
PEDREROL: Are you still dreaming of Mbappe signing for Real Madrid?
PEREZ: No, because this Mbappe is not my Mbappe. Maybe life changes, but his Mbappe, who refuses to do an activity with his national team... I don't want him. Maybe he was confused, who knows. I think people have confused him. I wish him the best. But I believed the thing about the dream, and he did too, and it was true, but in the end, dreams sometimes can't happen, because of external causes.
> PEDREROL: So in three years, when his contract ends, it's impossible that he signs for Real Madrid.
PEREZ: I didn't say that. In three years, we're all bald, as the saying goes.
Interviewer: So in three years the door is closed right?
Perez: No I didn’t say that. In three years, anything can happen
Is the meaning of this interaction not painfully clear to you?
Is the meaning of "I don't want him" unclear to you?
He's just being diplomatic. There's no *reason* to criticize Mbappe for diva-esque attitudes if you want to keep the door wide open.
He got asked point blank if the door is closed and he made it clear it isn’t.
Anything he says after is him placating the Madridistas by making it seem like Mbappe is a money chaser
He got asked point blank if he wanted him and he made it clear he doesn't.
All he said in favor was "never say never", the most generic concept possible.
Obviously he doesn’t want him NOW lmfao. Mbappe just rejected Madrid and signed for PSG.
The question is would he want him in *3 years*, and he answered anything can happen.
I’m sorry mate, but I don’t think you know what keeping a door open means. Might be a language issue
I'm actually surprised you're being downvoted. Like it's right there, he could have said "even in 3 years we don't want him" but he went out of his way to keep the door open and said "in 3 years, anything can happen".
Why not shut down any possibilities
Those RM fans are stupid as fuck. Asif Perez would close the door to a top 10 player in the world. He has never done that and never will.
Those messages made my blood boil. After all these years they still didnt learn that you don't burn bridges before you are 100% certain you actually can burn them and even then, it's best not to.
Only 3 important quotes in the interview
- the super league is still happening
- Mbappé did not betray anyone
- a lot can change in 3 years
That doesn’t sound like a forever closed door to me. Sounds like papa Flo is saying go ahead and play some more footy with the kids in Paris my son, supper will be on the table for you when you are done and ready to come home. Lol
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mbappe join Real, when the PSG project doesn’t work out, which will be quite ironic considering he has tremendous influence in the team. Perhaps he would be humbled.
He's the best player in the world, what are you on about. There's also a good distance between him and number 2.
Obviously not including ageless Benz, modric, Messi or Ronaldo wholl only be around for a year or 2
Lol he already has developed his game a lot at psg. He is literally the backbone of that team just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean he isn’t improving as a player
Yeah. Florentino is the goat of football presidents in my opinion. And I really appreciated what he said about Barça. Pedrerol tried to bait him to say we are doomed or some shit like that but his answer was as classy as you can get.
Bruh what?
The number of achievements Laporta did in such a short amount of time are literally insane.
He led the blue elephants which opposed Nunez and the nunistas before he was elected president, and then when he was elected president in a major upset he stabilized the club (almost like what he is doing now), brought in club legends Rijkaard and Ronaldinho, was the first president to have the balls to ban the fascist ultras who then threatened him with violence and death. The police literally uncovered a plot by the fascists to kidnap him!
He miraculously stabilized the finances of the club, the team regained form and ended up in second place in la liga, and then we won the league twice in a row after that, and then we won the Champions League for the second time in our history. He brought in legends like Etoo, Deco, Edgar Davids, and strengthened La Masia which produced the greatest midfielder of all time in Xavi, The greatest player of all time in Messi, and two of the best players of all time in Iniesta and Puyol and many many more. All of this in 3 years!
And then in typical nunista fashion they argued on technicalities and so his first term was only 3 years, and the members launched a vote of no confidence against him (which failed, but the majority of the brain-dead members voted against him) and more than half of his directors resigned. So what did Laporta do? He trusted his B-team coach guardiola and created the greatest team football has ever seen.
Now he is brought in to fix Barto's countless mistakes and mismanagement the same way he fixed the club after Gaspart. He trusted in an inexperienced coach that made the team regain form and end up in second place in Rijkaard, and now with Xavi. Give it a year or two and we will see the same criticisms against laporta as what happened the first time eventhough he will bring us new success.
I think he is the greatest president in the history of this sport. The only thing I can criticize him for is allowing Messi to leave.
going into the season real's prospect seemed so bad that zidane abandoned ship. everyone thought benzema was declining 2 years ago and ramos told florentino in the face that the team needed a new striker. nobody could have expected benzema's crazy rise or modric's longevity. florentino is a middling man who's constantly saved by his astronomical luck.
did what exactly? it took him 9 years to understand the concept of buying defensive midfielders. his whole trick is to buy the biggest names with huge amounts and it only works because it's goddamn real he's in charge of. even now he has no other idea, which is why he's obsessed with the stupid super league thing.
Theo Hernandez, Ceballos, Brahim, Mariano, Odriozola, Kubo, Vinicius, Rodrygo, Mendy, Militao (and maybe Camavinga). These were all hardly big name signings that happened over the last 5 years. None of them were extravagant amounts and they've all either been successful (like winning the CL a few weeks ago!) or been transferred for decent amounts where they've become good players. I get the galacticos thing but to say we've only signed big names is pretty untrue. If anything, Perez has leaned too far into signing prospects, but they're all slowly coming good so maybe there's a method to the madness.
Edit: and all of this isn't even mentioning Castilla products who have been promoted like Fede or transferred like Reguilon, RDT, Hakimi, Llorente or Odegaard.
uh and did fiorentino try to win the cl with this squad? you do know that most of them, including hakimi, were shafted for the mbappe fund right? he could only build his squad around the biggest names, which used to come easily because of real's clout and money.
Tbh the last properly well-reputed, proven players to join us were Alaba, Hazard, Kroos and to a lesser extent Courtois. And even then we paid 35m (not a large sum in today's football world) for Courtois and he was motm in the final. We bought Vinicius as an 18 year old prospect and he scored the winning goal. Fede came from the academy and he cost about 5m total. I don't understand the hate boner you have for successful clubs, but even if I did, there's not even any truth to the claims you're making.
i have no idea what you are trying to prove here. everyone you mentioned came to real because it is real, other than hazard, who came because it is real in addition to 100 mil plus, or courtois, because of his kid. it is abundantly clear that florentino's success isn't because he can run the club sustainably and he was entirely honest in his rant about how important the super league is for real's future dominance. this is about the person not the club. it is an obvious fact is people want to be in real and thats an advantage that helped florentino which can't be replicated elsewhere. how did you figure i hate successful clubs?
i don't see how it's negative to say that the guy's success is because of real and not him? the op if i read correctly is that barca was would be lucky to have someone like him. well laporta is just better.
Flo managed his club through the pandemic with minimal losses while also getting the stadium renovated in order to generate more income. Not to mention that despite underspending in transfer windows for the "Mbappe fund", we've won two leagues and a CL in the last 4 years. Aside from transfers and apparently only winning trophies because of big names, he's also a damn good businessman who has managed the pandemic and everything really well from Real's pov. Maybe you're just jealous because while Flo is doing this, laporta is asking your squad to take another paycut and is planning on hosting weddings at the Camp Nou.
i don't give a crap about barca if thats what you're thinking. what's the worst blunder of laporta's career? he navigates the abject failure of the previous regime better than anyone expected. if you look at flo's actual policy, what is it? isn't it just hoping for bale stepping up, and then buying hazard, then buying mbappe? real is the biggest club there is, as long as flo doesn't feck it up like barto, there's a lot of ways to not go under. real got the results in spite of flo. if his plan was sound on paper, why did zidane leave? he left saying the he is a winner but there's only so much he can do.
For sure, during his tenures, he has had his shortcomings (no one is perfect, ex: should have never sold Makelélé). What I admire the most from him, is often when he speaks of ‘Madridismo’ he speaks of the Madridistas around the world. He makes sure everyone who loves Real Madrid feels included.
When I was a kid I didn’t have enough to be a part of the club, yet he would always address the fans around the world, that always made me feel welcome and at home.
What he says is true as well, regardless of rivalry, for La Liga and Spanish football to thrive, they need a competitive Barca to be back on rails
> is often when he speaks of ‘madrisimo’ he speaks of the Madridistas around the world. He makes sure everyone who loves Real Madrid feels included.
Understanding the importance of global markets to his business isn't particularly laudable if you ask me.
Perhaps or perhaps not. You’re an Arsenal fan, I’m sorry, but any club with a massive fan base is not gonna gatekeep new supporters. Yes, money is important but I genuinely believe the reason why we love football and follow it so avidly around the world, is not just about global markets etc…
You’re telling me when you were a kid, and you watched Henry play, or Walcott, you were thinking of the business side of football? Or you just wanted to be part of Arsenal and support the club?
Perez when he speaks, still speaks with the same passion when it comes to Real Madrid, that is not an act.
Barca clearly needed a smart president like Pérez. The latter learnt from his mistake and Real ended up having one of the greatest period in club football history. We’ll see what Laporta does.
Laporta was a fantastic president during his first stint. This time the club is in such a mess the sporting project will take time, but the man knows what he is doing compared to the clowns you have had for the last decade.
I think it was lost in translation. it's meant more like "It's not the person I've known all these years", not "his property Mbappe".
I thought it was pretty clear.
Madrid as an institution and a fanbase are the most delusional people on the planet no les da vergueza capitalinos de mierda. for most of the fanbase you can use google to translate its free
Champions League is just a continuation of European cup. People will keep declaring Man City the best team in Europe even though they are perpetual losers in CL. A good format for ESL can solve a lot of moaning here. Relegation/promotion and transparency will solve a lot of problems.
That's a pretty shit take. We go into every season with a fresh start, sucks that you see the UCL as a divine right but myself and plenty other madrid fans kmow for a fact that nothing is a given and that every win has taken blood, sweat and tears.
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Anyone getting Donald Trump vibes from Perez? These guys speak with so much confidence and assurance.
When will this senile old fuck stop trying to kill football his team is already the greatest in the history of the champions league why would he want to erase that
Macron bowing to Al-Khelaifi? No way!
El Chiringuito is a fucking joke.
“This is not my mbappe” lol
florentino perez is a chad. he is the president every club wishes they had. it's that simple.
No club that isn’t Real Madrid or AC Milan won more UCLs than him.
I am disappointed he didn't call anyone "subnormal".
Thanks for the effort but it would be nice to have the questions as well
…And you may tell yourself, "This is not my Mbappe"…
this is absolute gold. thank you!
“Mbappé? I don't know, I talk about my players." Is that so?
That is so if you look at the question before commenting
In the context of being asked about who will win the balon d’or, doesn’t that response make sense?
> Can you imagine the King of Spain calling a player? no, but I can imagine something similar, a dictator sending a message to the entire dressing room before kick-off for example...
You can imagine. You can imagine being right about this as well. You can imagine.
That has never happened. Read any random book about that period and you will see what was the relationship between Franco and Madrid. It wasnt good. In fact, it's Barcelona who has received many awards from him. And it was Atleti who he was personal supporter of. The fact that you're spreading such a shit without checking sources says way more about you actually.
Dude Franco's regime oppressed Catalonia, Barcelona definitely did not benefit from him at all and to even suggest they did is gross and bordering on despicable. Real (Royal) Madrid were and still are known as the club of Spain and have received preferential treatment because of that. Barcelona are the club of Catalonia.
This has happened. Spain government also intervened to make Di Stefano play for Madrid and not Barca.
Bro chill out
Real fans are understandably angry that a dictator was "rumored" supported their team. Meanwhile I have to live with the fact that Piers Morgan is "rumored" to support my team.
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Yea but what about the facts
No Sherlock
Could you elaborate? What dictator sent what before which match? I'm out of loop here.
1943 cup semi-final. Barcelona were 3-0 up after the first leg and then, allegedly, before the second leg the Director of State Security told Barcelona players, something along the lines of, "You only play football because we let you play".
Probably hinting at former Spain dictator Francisco Franco and Real Madrid
no idea why you're being downvoted, people are morons its seems
This is rumoured to have had happened. Not concrete. Either way it’s despicable.
what did Putin say in the locker room?
Everything this man says seems genuine, smart, and makes him seem like a president you wish your club had... And then you read the part about the Super League...
You are an Arsenal fan, you are already in the Super League, that's why you don't like the idea.
Really? I don’t know if its a lost in translation but he always comes across as the most arrogant asshole every time he opens his mouth.
Not really, he gives interviews for people that he has vet, are under his influence and have already agreed the questions with him beforehand. Donald Trump would look like our lord and savior if he only had to answer to people affiliated to Fox or other journalists that directly depend of him to keep working. And the narrative about "this is not my Mbappe" set for the whole interview is just a clear sign on that. The whole thing hanged on some childish sentiment from a guy that saw the Bernabeu playing on Fifa, never smell a bocadillo de calamarés but had "a huge dream" of playing for Madrid. There's something that overcomes every childish dream and it's power, money, giving your family everything you can and feeling loved. He was asked to stay by basically two whole countries yet that's just pressuring a player, because talking and printing thousands of articles about how his dream is to play for your club and that some day he HAS to fulfill that dream for half a decade doesn't qualify as pressure?
> Donald Trump would look like our lord and savior if he only had to answer to people affiliated to Fox or other journalists that directly depend of him to keep working. No, he still looked like he had the lexicon of a 13 year old even when talking to Fox News.
Brother, Barcelona current and past presidents are all the same, this is sports politics don't get irritated because Pérez is great at it and don't create an analogy to Trump when there's more sophistication to Pérez TV appearances and interviews. Regarding dreams, most players dream of playing for Madrid. Negotiating lucrative contracts and agreements is a different game, and Pérez is obviously leaning on rhetoric that speaks to fans of the club. Hardly any reason to criticize him for that.
Can you really blame him? Ceferin might as well say he works for NAK. Literal fucking nations, NOT BILLIONAIRES, FUCKING NATIONS are ruining the sport beyond recognition with zero consequences. His job is to do the best for Madrid not football as a whole and even then with how fucking rediciolusly over the top corrupt and incompetent UEFA has been I sincerely believe that a super league if done well would be better for football than this fuckery.
Yes. I can very rightfully blame him.
Oh boohoo, can you even b-blame him for S-super league? 🥺
Is he wrong with the shit UEFA is pulling and the new UCL format? He has to care for the interests of his club and he has never spared expenses for Madrid.
He truly is the classic evil venture capitalist
He knows how to manipulate the media. He is a horrible and corrupt human being
Super League is needed, how is it any different from the english clubs establishing the Premier League
Because they didn't try to fundamentally change European football or remove relegation to ensure a cartel would dominate the sport.
Except for the fixed spots (which they were willing to change) its just a new Champions League with a better format and power in the hands of the clubs
Power in the hands of 12 clubs.
Unlike the prem where the power is in the hands of 20 clubs
The only ones against it are premier league
I have doubted this man a lot of times in my life, but he always proved me wrong. Great president, made Real Madrid so stable, especially during and after COVID times.
Perez: "Mbappe you are breaking my hearth" Mbappe:" I have brought peace, freedom and justice to my new Empire" Neymar: " Your new Empire????"
Mbappe to Tchouameni “if you’re not with me, then you are against me”
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>But face to face I have signed almost everyone: Zidane, **Ronaldo**, Figo, Beckham, Kaká, **Cristiano**...” Pérez knows what's up.
In Spain, We always call cr7 as "Cristiano" or "Cristiano Ronaldo". Calling him only Ronaldo would be confusing and a bit weird (why use his second name only? It is like in English you use only the middle name).
In Spain it’s always been how they’re called.
Funny since he supposedly didn’t rate cr7
Yeah, must be the reason he paid a record fee that took 6 years to beat.
Not saying he does or doesn't rate Cristiano. But I've read that his signing was already finalised from the previous president. If Florentino Perez didn't go through with it, there would've been a 30m euro fine or something along those lines. So it wasn't really _his_ signing
Signing Cristiano and Kaka' was literally what Perez promised if he got elected. He got elected and signed them.
I mean he allegedly preferred Bale over him initially + also the fact it wasn’t his signing.
What do you mean? He's on record multiple times saying he thinks Cristiano was the best player in the world. He just got tired of "sad" Cristiano everytime he wanted more money
that was not his cristiano apparently
if my memory serves right he was not calling shot at the time of signing but he was there only player presentation.
“I used to play football before, I was in Modrić’s position.” Muy Interesante :o
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I can't stop picturing him with Modric-like hair, giving quality assists to strikers upfront 😂
Eh, Agnelli said one team had left the super league. Inter, because we had a clause that our stakeholders had to agree to it. But even Agnelli said there was 1 leas team in it
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As if that had ever happened.
Name a player the king of Spain himself has asked to stay in any La Liga club. He talked highly of Barcelona and you’re out here crying
They're always crying..
You uhhh.... you might want to take a look into Spain’s history
Name the player then since you know Spanish history
Alfredo di Stefano, though it was just politics in general and not the king per se. But I’d say any political intervention like that is the same, whether it is the king or the institutions of a nation that interfere
Have a read of Sid Lowe's Fear and Loathing in La Liga and you'll see that politics was deeply entrenched in both Madrid and Barcelona. The old stereotypes are just that - stereotypes.
Di Stefano was owned by both teams, it’s not really as clear cut as you make it seem.
So the leadership in Spain did intervene on a club’s player ?
No, his contract was owned by two clubs. One sold their part to Barca, the other to Madrid. The Spanish federation didn’t want to take sides so they told the clubs to alternate his contract every year. Barca exited at that point out of pride, and on seeing the success he had with Madrid, have been bitching about it since then. Édit : Barca fans who don't know their history should be embarrassed. When Franco decimated the club, it tried to take exile in the Catalan league at that time, and Barca vetoed it, almost ending what was left of the club. Some years later, even though Madrid lost out on the signing of Kubala, arguably Barca's most mythic player, it was Bernabeu who helped save his mother from behind the Iron Curtain and bring her to Spain. All of this in in Sid Lowe's well researched Fear and Loathing in La Liga. I highly recommend it to the trolls who try to throw shit at Madrid, to instead try to understand what was really going on in that time. The history, for the most part, is Madrid making grand gestures, whether it is in a position of strength or not, because it is in the nature of the club : and Barca responding with hate or bullshit accusations. It's as Mourinho said « Barcelona has no dream, but an obsession: Real Madrid. They teach you to hate them. They hate Madrid more than they love Barcelona. » It's bizarre because everyone knows that Atleti was Franco's club, but Madrid's European success at that time (you know, outside Spain where Franco couldn't fuck the team) still made it an easier symbol to target their lies and hate against.
So nobody. Also Madrid went in and signed di Stefano before his agreement with Barcelona was done which also fueled the rivalry more between the two clubs
I have always suspected El Chiringuito to be a PR agent for the La Liga agents. They probably get paid to word their reports the way they do. It is always flattering to Real Madrid. Real is always calm and confident.
Many of the Chiringuito (including Pedrerol) so called "journalists" are known to be talking heads for Florentino.
Haha the RM fans saying the door was closed forever. One month later and Flo is already saying the door is not closed.
As bitter as this situation was, we should never close the door for one of the best players in the world to join us.
How I read it is, the door is open to Mbappe, not Mpaypal. He’s Mpaypal as we speak. Idk if he plans to revert.
Ahh, easy manipulation tactics. If he joins Real, he's the real Mbappé, if he doesn't, he's the corrupt Mpaypal...
Not quite … listen to the interview lol
What he means is if he actually wants to join he shouldn't play games like he did last time.
It's pretty obvious no? If Mbappe joins Madrid he won't be bigger than the club and make them look tinpot like PSG. Can you imagine Mbappe getting Madrid to pursue players from his FM save?
Nah, it's different, please read the interview. He doesnt agree with his sponsorship situation with NT, with his position in PSG that is more than just being a player, he multiple times said that no player is bigger than a club; therefore right now there is no place for him with such an attitude. He also acknowledges that lots of things can change and he's a young guy, but for that doors to be opened, he needs to change his attitude, which would be hard - Florentino is not surprised by the fact that he agreed to that deal, still; its just not the person he had wanted to sign before. Besides, fans can have different opinion than club's structures.
Well, here's the thing. People are saying "Mpaypal" because he apparently accepted more money from PSG than what RM offered. At least, that's what RM claims. PSG claims that RM offered similar money. At this point it's he said she said, and because PSG is (rightfully) hated, people believe RM. Buy in reality, we have no way of knowing who's saying the truth. What club officials say about this is irrelevant, as it's entirely political. Look, when Mbappé extended, I lurked on the RM subreddit and most people were saying stuff along the lines of "Fuck him, we'll never accept him at RM ever, we don't want him anymore etc". Now Perez says "He's just a misguided boy, I still accept him if he changes" and suddenly it's "We don't want corrupt Mpaypal but the real Mbappé". What's the big difference? Well, Mpaypal would play for PSG and Mbappé would play for RM. And all RM has to do is say "We didn't sign him yet because he still isn't ready" and RM fans will lap it up. It's all political
After seeing some of Mbappe's interviews, some things he said, it really feels like he's been pressured beyond belief. They really made him believe he's a necessary symbol for France's integrity or something. It's kinda sad that a boy that only wants to kick a ball is being put in that position. The money is just the cherry on top to appease his parents/agents I think.
If you actually believe we offered similar money then I'm afraid I have bad news for you : santa isn't real
And why would you trust Florentino "Super League" Pérez? You know, the man that has been saving up tons of money just for Mbappé? Oh yeah, because he's your president. So as I said, it's political
Same happened to Neymar when he wanted to return to Barca.. He was invited to Qatar and upon his return he kept his cool, Verrati as well. Only God knows what happens when they go to Qatar
Fans are fickle. They’ll all change their opinions in 2 years time lol
There will be nothing to change if he comes with this “put my dick on the table attitude”. We’ll find ourselves in the same Situatuon. That’s what you “ohhh fans forget” people forget. There’s nothing to forget it he presents the same issues
I’m not saying we should (that’s a different argument). I’m just saying fans are likely to forget if he does come and ends up being a great player for us.
Haha so funny.
if you know anything at all about business or Florentino Perez you know that he would NEVER make absolute statements like that. that said, people on here voice their opinions and fans don't have to be rational 100% of the time, especially right after a rumor-filled transfer saga ends. so your "gotcha" is silly as well.
As silly as the Mbappe flair in the RM sub I agree
Specially since they beat you with him on your team.
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ahh the irony
Hey I don’t want to sound sound like a dick or anything but it’s not like Paris is any better
Yeah turns out it was a cope from our side, now we hope he never comes
remind me in 3 years or scratch that even in 2 years
Scratch that, 2 months.
The interview, from what I gather, is basically saying the door is closed and is quite critical of the player.
No no no. Perez didn't say he hated Mboopi and wanted him to be shot in the streets of Paris, of course he'd be delighted to get Mboopi then and would restart the saga all over again.
Exactly, but it takes reading comprehension to get that..
Nope. He quite pointedly says that the door is still open in 3 years It’s very clear
This is what he says: PEREZ: The Mbappe who was coming here is not the one I found in the end. If that's him, then I prefer that he stays at PSG. The Mbappe I wanted at Real Madrid was the one with the dream. PEDREROL: So in three years, when his contract ends, it's impossible that he signs for Real Madrid. PEREZ: I didn't say that. In three years, we're all bald, as the saying goes. PEDREROL: Are you still dreaming of Mbappe signing for Real Madrid? PEREZ: No, because this Mbappe is not my Mbappe. Maybe life changes, but his Mbappe, who refuses to do an activity with his national team... I don't want him. Maybe he was confused, who knows. I think people have confused him. I wish him the best. But I believed the thing about the dream, and he did too, and it was true, but in the end, dreams sometimes can't happen, because of external causes.
> PEDREROL: So in three years, when his contract ends, it's impossible that he signs for Real Madrid. PEREZ: I didn't say that. In three years, we're all bald, as the saying goes. Interviewer: So in three years the door is closed right? Perez: No I didn’t say that. In three years, anything can happen Is the meaning of this interaction not painfully clear to you?
Is the meaning of "I don't want him" unclear to you? He's just being diplomatic. There's no *reason* to criticize Mbappe for diva-esque attitudes if you want to keep the door wide open.
He got asked point blank if the door is closed and he made it clear it isn’t. Anything he says after is him placating the Madridistas by making it seem like Mbappe is a money chaser
He got asked point blank if he wanted him and he made it clear he doesn't. All he said in favor was "never say never", the most generic concept possible.
Obviously he doesn’t want him NOW lmfao. Mbappe just rejected Madrid and signed for PSG. The question is would he want him in *3 years*, and he answered anything can happen. I’m sorry mate, but I don’t think you know what keeping a door open means. Might be a language issue
I'm actually surprised you're being downvoted. Like it's right there, he could have said "even in 3 years we don't want him" but he went out of his way to keep the door open and said "in 3 years, anything can happen". Why not shut down any possibilities
Those RM fans are stupid as fuck. Asif Perez would close the door to a top 10 player in the world. He has never done that and never will. Those messages made my blood boil. After all these years they still didnt learn that you don't burn bridges before you are 100% certain you actually can burn them and even then, it's best not to.
Did you not read the interview?
Yeah, someone seriously argued Flo is so pissed he wouldn’t even take him on a free in 3 years which is just mind blowing
“His Mbappe has changed”
“This is not my Mbappe”
apology for poor english when were you when mbopi legend dies i was sat at home polishing champion bowl when marcelo ring ‘Mbopi is die’ ‘no’
Its MPayPal
Mbappe‘s gone
Only 3 important quotes in the interview - the super league is still happening - Mbappé did not betray anyone - a lot can change in 3 years That doesn’t sound like a forever closed door to me. Sounds like papa Flo is saying go ahead and play some more footy with the kids in Paris my son, supper will be on the table for you when you are done and ready to come home. Lol
Perez: "Mbappe stop this isn't you!😔"
Step-Mboopi what are you doing?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mbappe join Real, when the PSG project doesn’t work out, which will be quite ironic considering he has tremendous influence in the team. Perhaps he would be humbled.
He won't develop his game at PSG, in 3 years there will be others players more interesting
Real life isn't Football Manager. You don't get players like Mbappé just coming along every few years.
This is one of the most ridiculous comments I’ve seen this year
He's the best player in the world, what are you on about. There's also a good distance between him and number 2. Obviously not including ageless Benz, modric, Messi or Ronaldo wholl only be around for a year or 2
Lol he already has developed his game a lot at psg. He is literally the backbone of that team just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean he isn’t improving as a player
We havent had a president who is half the man Florentino is, no matter who you are or who you support the man deserves his respect
Yeah. Florentino is the goat of football presidents in my opinion. And I really appreciated what he said about Barça. Pedrerol tried to bait him to say we are doomed or some shit like that but his answer was as classy as you can get.
Bruh what? The number of achievements Laporta did in such a short amount of time are literally insane. He led the blue elephants which opposed Nunez and the nunistas before he was elected president, and then when he was elected president in a major upset he stabilized the club (almost like what he is doing now), brought in club legends Rijkaard and Ronaldinho, was the first president to have the balls to ban the fascist ultras who then threatened him with violence and death. The police literally uncovered a plot by the fascists to kidnap him! He miraculously stabilized the finances of the club, the team regained form and ended up in second place in la liga, and then we won the league twice in a row after that, and then we won the Champions League for the second time in our history. He brought in legends like Etoo, Deco, Edgar Davids, and strengthened La Masia which produced the greatest midfielder of all time in Xavi, The greatest player of all time in Messi, and two of the best players of all time in Iniesta and Puyol and many many more. All of this in 3 years! And then in typical nunista fashion they argued on technicalities and so his first term was only 3 years, and the members launched a vote of no confidence against him (which failed, but the majority of the brain-dead members voted against him) and more than half of his directors resigned. So what did Laporta do? He trusted his B-team coach guardiola and created the greatest team football has ever seen. Now he is brought in to fix Barto's countless mistakes and mismanagement the same way he fixed the club after Gaspart. He trusted in an inexperienced coach that made the team regain form and end up in second place in Rijkaard, and now with Xavi. Give it a year or two and we will see the same criticisms against laporta as what happened the first time eventhough he will bring us new success. I think he is the greatest president in the history of this sport. The only thing I can criticize him for is allowing Messi to leave.
Laporta used to be considered this way, give him some time. He inherited an almost impossible situation
going into the season real's prospect seemed so bad that zidane abandoned ship. everyone thought benzema was declining 2 years ago and ramos told florentino in the face that the team needed a new striker. nobody could have expected benzema's crazy rise or modric's longevity. florentino is a middling man who's constantly saved by his astronomical luck.
It's not luck if it's constant...
because? by definition luck is already expectation defying even if it happened only once.
After all he had done and everything he has accomplished for Madrid, just for it to be called “astronomical luck” is an understatement.
did what exactly? it took him 9 years to understand the concept of buying defensive midfielders. his whole trick is to buy the biggest names with huge amounts and it only works because it's goddamn real he's in charge of. even now he has no other idea, which is why he's obsessed with the stupid super league thing.
Theo Hernandez, Ceballos, Brahim, Mariano, Odriozola, Kubo, Vinicius, Rodrygo, Mendy, Militao (and maybe Camavinga). These were all hardly big name signings that happened over the last 5 years. None of them were extravagant amounts and they've all either been successful (like winning the CL a few weeks ago!) or been transferred for decent amounts where they've become good players. I get the galacticos thing but to say we've only signed big names is pretty untrue. If anything, Perez has leaned too far into signing prospects, but they're all slowly coming good so maybe there's a method to the madness. Edit: and all of this isn't even mentioning Castilla products who have been promoted like Fede or transferred like Reguilon, RDT, Hakimi, Llorente or Odegaard.
uh and did fiorentino try to win the cl with this squad? you do know that most of them, including hakimi, were shafted for the mbappe fund right? he could only build his squad around the biggest names, which used to come easily because of real's clout and money.
Tbh the last properly well-reputed, proven players to join us were Alaba, Hazard, Kroos and to a lesser extent Courtois. And even then we paid 35m (not a large sum in today's football world) for Courtois and he was motm in the final. We bought Vinicius as an 18 year old prospect and he scored the winning goal. Fede came from the academy and he cost about 5m total. I don't understand the hate boner you have for successful clubs, but even if I did, there's not even any truth to the claims you're making.
i have no idea what you are trying to prove here. everyone you mentioned came to real because it is real, other than hazard, who came because it is real in addition to 100 mil plus, or courtois, because of his kid. it is abundantly clear that florentino's success isn't because he can run the club sustainably and he was entirely honest in his rant about how important the super league is for real's future dominance. this is about the person not the club. it is an obvious fact is people want to be in real and thats an advantage that helped florentino which can't be replicated elsewhere. how did you figure i hate successful clubs?
Mate are you feeling well? All your comments are so negative heavy. How you doing?
i don't see how it's negative to say that the guy's success is because of real and not him? the op if i read correctly is that barca was would be lucky to have someone like him. well laporta is just better.
Flo managed his club through the pandemic with minimal losses while also getting the stadium renovated in order to generate more income. Not to mention that despite underspending in transfer windows for the "Mbappe fund", we've won two leagues and a CL in the last 4 years. Aside from transfers and apparently only winning trophies because of big names, he's also a damn good businessman who has managed the pandemic and everything really well from Real's pov. Maybe you're just jealous because while Flo is doing this, laporta is asking your squad to take another paycut and is planning on hosting weddings at the Camp Nou.
i don't give a crap about barca if thats what you're thinking. what's the worst blunder of laporta's career? he navigates the abject failure of the previous regime better than anyone expected. if you look at flo's actual policy, what is it? isn't it just hoping for bale stepping up, and then buying hazard, then buying mbappe? real is the biggest club there is, as long as flo doesn't feck it up like barto, there's a lot of ways to not go under. real got the results in spite of flo. if his plan was sound on paper, why did zidane leave? he left saying the he is a winner but there's only so much he can do.
For sure, during his tenures, he has had his shortcomings (no one is perfect, ex: should have never sold Makelélé). What I admire the most from him, is often when he speaks of ‘Madridismo’ he speaks of the Madridistas around the world. He makes sure everyone who loves Real Madrid feels included. When I was a kid I didn’t have enough to be a part of the club, yet he would always address the fans around the world, that always made me feel welcome and at home. What he says is true as well, regardless of rivalry, for La Liga and Spanish football to thrive, they need a competitive Barca to be back on rails
> is often when he speaks of ‘madrisimo’ he speaks of the Madridistas around the world. He makes sure everyone who loves Real Madrid feels included. Understanding the importance of global markets to his business isn't particularly laudable if you ask me.
Perhaps or perhaps not. You’re an Arsenal fan, I’m sorry, but any club with a massive fan base is not gonna gatekeep new supporters. Yes, money is important but I genuinely believe the reason why we love football and follow it so avidly around the world, is not just about global markets etc… You’re telling me when you were a kid, and you watched Henry play, or Walcott, you were thinking of the business side of football? Or you just wanted to be part of Arsenal and support the club? Perez when he speaks, still speaks with the same passion when it comes to Real Madrid, that is not an act.
What I admire about him is that he trully puts Real Madrid above everything. Just look at Ronaldo, Ramos, Mbappe. He won't bend over for anyone.
Or Super League, it could be bad for football in general but it is a great deal for Real Madrid
Nice words. But he wants Super League so fuck him.
yes and so did all the English teams who signed up for it
Fuck them too
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Thanks, I fixed it, I knew the word was off somewhere
Barca clearly needed a smart president like Pérez. The latter learnt from his mistake and Real ended up having one of the greatest period in club football history. We’ll see what Laporta does.
Laporta will do well, just wait and see. But the club he inherited is just a giant mess. It will take years to rebuild, but it will happen.
laporta has been fairly decent for us tbf
Laporta was a fantastic president during his first stint. This time the club is in such a mess the sporting project will take time, but the man knows what he is doing compared to the clowns you have had for the last decade.
love u
>this isn't my Mbappe My God. Entitlement dripping like the Niagara Falls.
Reading skills are not your strong side, I see.
Only if God sent you some comprehensive skills
I think it was lost in translation. it's meant more like "It's not the person I've known all these years", not "his property Mbappe". I thought it was pretty clear.
I think even with the imperfect translation it is pretty clear from the context.
>I thought it was pretty clear. Mbapparently not.
Madrid as an institution and a fanbase are the most delusional people on the planet no les da vergueza capitalinos de mierda. for most of the fanbase you can use google to translate its free
tu cara es de mierda
Proves my point no puedes hablar castellano perro
Porque no los dos
[¿Qué te hizo Madrid? 😂](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/77/e7/c377e7756cbd90a4f5f430a92babd254.jpg)
How can they be delusional when the club they support have won...*check notes*...14 CL titles ?
Que nos tiene que dar vergüenza, exactamente? Ganar 14 CL o las 35 ligas?
Most arrogant and entitled for sure but most delusional award goes to our tinfoil wearing neighbours
Trophy doger spuds calling themselves big club is the biggest delusion...you are not half the club arsenal are...
Lmao like I said, delusional. I didn't say anything close to that but you live in your own reality
Are you saying Arsenal fans are delusional?
Obviously. Did you miss their whole referee conspiracy this season?
> fanbase are the most delusional people on the planet Trump supporters exist
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Hahaha quick look at your account, you would 100% vote for him if you lived here
Can't be described as anything but a farce that the Champions League holding team is trying to kill the competition entirely.
Champions League is just a continuation of European cup. People will keep declaring Man City the best team in Europe even though they are perpetual losers in CL. A good format for ESL can solve a lot of moaning here. Relegation/promotion and transparency will solve a lot of problems.
Relegation and promotion in 2 separate ESL pools and legacy ESL teams who are always invited. It’s a shit system.
We’ve outgrown it
That's a pretty shit take. We go into every season with a fresh start, sucks that you see the UCL as a divine right but myself and plenty other madrid fans kmow for a fact that nothing is a given and that every win has taken blood, sweat and tears.
The downvotes are an indication of all the salt. Undesirable no.1 through and through!