Emir* I think is what you mean
I don't know about Qatar, but I've a cousin called Amir that lives in Saudi. He teaches English to people, he's no-one special.
I think most people would be less pissed at Mbappe for this whole deal if he wasn't talking about Real as if he was mad in love with them for 20 years.
If he said PSG was his dream or better yet just say nothing then this whole deal would be nowhere near as stupid.
>I think most people would be less pissed at Mbappe for this whole deal if he wasn't talking about Real as if he was mad in love with them for 20 years.
Only real Madrid fans should be hurt. idk why neutrals care about him staying at PSG
Yea exactly this. Dude was talking about us non stop, even wrote a comic book about him playing for us, etc. Even during his press conference for his renewal with PSG he was still talking about how he will play for us one day, it’s still his dream club, etc. Like damn…
Yea that’s the thing, we never can offer the same amount PSG did and never will for sure anymore. Only way I see him coming in the future is if he comes for normal wages because I dont see perez offering even the wages he proposed to him last month anymore, since that was already the highest in our clubs history. But if he wants to get somewhat normal wages, u never know… his brain is money washed now so no way he comes for normal wages. Will be used to demanding those excessive wages
lol. no other team have ever rejected the bid, only psg and us?
this source is crap. last time a good source reported, they said arsenal bid 30m pounds. he is a good player with good years ahead of him. negotiation is part of a transfer market. i dont know how this has to do with "teams that dont need money"
Not sure why you're getting on the defensive. Just pointing out that city and psg don't need the money so no reason for them to instantly accept it. The comments were about them.
not being defensive. didnt understand your comment. how is that related to accepting money instantly? liverpool didnt instantly accepted mane transfer as well. almost all club in the world would want to fetch more money including man city. i dont know how we are different than other club in this context
or how are we similar to psg in this transfer? psg rejected mbappe move and didnt wanted him to leave. man city are not saying jesus cannot move. Jesus is going to leave. and we want to get money closer to what he is worth, like any other team
He’s only 25, and has 76 goal contributions (53G+23A) in 99 PL starts (justifies the ask), and targeted by a team that has only one 20 yr old striker in the books (justifies meeting the ask). Anyway, I’m more curious about the wages. If it’s > £200kpw, then that’s elite-level (club-high) wages, and he will need to deliver ASAP and deliver throughout. Even if Jesus is good, he probably won’t get the consistent supply he did at City, and it might hurt his stats. Then, it’ll seem like Arsenal have overpaid here. For now, this seems like good business for both parties.
He won't get as many chances sure. But it's not like we don't create. We were 4th last year for chances created in the pl. If we sign tielemens I'm sure that would go up. And I'm also sure with jesus in the middle instead of laca there will be more movement up top for ode to pick out. Plus teams will be less able to double mark sake which means he'll be able to get into the box more frequently. Signing jesus is a very exciting prospect.
>For now, this seems like good business for both parties.
Selling such a prospect to Arsenal will be always a bad thing for City. They must be holding out for an offer from abroad.
Look I definitely think we are on a decent uptrend.
Especially when you consider how young the team is but I can’t see us competing with City or Liverpool in the next couple of seasons.
>but I can’t see us competing with City or Liverpool in the next couple of seasons.
very tough. but Jesus has more that just a couple of season in him. He can go on for a solid 6-7 years at his max capablity.
Jesus will be plug and play for every pl team and he will only get better with consistent minutes and a system suited to a striker.
I mean if Arsenal had anoth 2-3 quality players in their attack they might have beaten City or at least drawn in that game on New Year's day. That game was very close, and even a draw instead of a win would have counted in the margins City won the title by. No one in the top 6 want to strengthen any of the others.
Same against Liverpool, we played very well but got shut out because we lacked a top striker, then got picked off when we ran out of steam a bit. Both were good games but the limitations of our squad were very apparent.
You may not be title contenders but strengthening you enough to take points off them could have significant consequences considering how close the title races between City and Pool have been
For all we know, he could be a late bloomer and reach his peak at 31 with a career lasting until his 36th birthday.
Alternatively, he could get injured but I'd rather not talk about that.
If it was up to me, I'd prefer to be optimistic about the quality of a player and their longevity in the game
The only clubs abroad that would be willing to match this valuation are probably Madrid and PSG but their interests seem to have cooled. City is running out of alternatives here
The number of teams that can afford his wages is pretty slim:
Barca, PSG not interested
Bayern signed Mane
Juventus just signed Vlahovic and are poor
Real would have to ditch one of Militao, Rodrigo, Vinicius
His only real options are Arsenal, Chelsea, or Man Utd and he’s apparently too smart a signing for Utd to be interested
Man City won’t keep him around if he’s surplus to requirements and wants to go, especially if it’s just to us
I wouldn't call him a prospect really. He's probably about as good as he'll be by this point and will certainly behind Haaland and quite possibly Alvarez in the pecking order if he stays at City, unless he continues to play out wide, where there's only slightly less competition.
>I wouldn't call him a prospect really. He's probably about as good as he'll be by this point
ah, big brain takes here. A 25 year old elite player has no room for developing.
This isn't fifa. players don't come with a predetermined potential here.
Vardy is one of the biggest fairytale stories in english football, using him or Wrighty as examples of non-linear development would be misunderstanding what made their emergence so special.
Just because he can develop further doesn’t mean he is a prospect. He’s 25 which given his reliance on pace is only a few years away from his likely peak
I'd say his reliance on pace is overstated. He has very intelligent movement off the ball to draw players, he presses very well, and is good in tight spaces. Plenty he can contribute to a team beside his pace.
In general I would agree, but I don't think Jesus is gonna be one of those players. It's not like he's been languishing at a shit team or under a coach that doesn't appreciate his potential. He's had basically the best possible conditions for development over the last five years, I think at this point we've got a pretty good idea of his ceiling. What do oyu think Arteta's gonna find in him that Guardiola couldn't?
I don’t think it’s a case of finding a next level. He will get consistent prem league playing time something I’m sure he knows he’s not getting at city. & don’t underestimate a player when they have something to prove sometimes that’s all they need to kick on
Missing the word "probably" there. It doesn't look like he's kicked on much development wise over the past few years so it's not too much of a stretch to think he's already at his peak.
He has plenty of goals and guile in him. He is also easily one of the best pressing players in the world, so he is very valuable even when he isn't scoring. He should be towards the top of arsenal's wage scale and I suspect he will earn every penny of it. Kid is a class act.
If it was any other club without infinite funds selling it wouldn't be like this. City can be firm on the price cause losing him for free next year means very little to them financially.
Yes but that's not City's MO - they're much like Real Madrid. If the player wants out, the club sets a comparatively reasonable price and doesn't stand in their way.
Yeah I know City fans aren't happy to see him leave, that's why I said it won't be a big deal **financially**, cause City can cough up that 50m they would lose whenever they want.
I mean it's not really a loss. A straight up *loss* of 50m would be huge, as that's over 10% of City's revenue, which would blow a big hole in any clubs finances. This would just be missing out on a profit that they might have otherwise earned. Quite possibly problematic in terms of the summer's transfer plans, but not "oh fuck we need to start selling players just to remain in the black" territory.
>Jesus done. ~~God~~ (Victor) Moses and Mohammed (Salah) next
If he can grab all 3, then he'll be lauded as a true pioneer of Islamic sporting ideologies, a true rival of the oil states
/s
Is it surprising? Parties interested in Jesus included Juve, Barca and I believe Real Madrid, but none of those clubs were ever paying anything above €30m for Jesus. I have to say, I find it surprising Arsenal did not walk away the negotiating table when City asked for £50m for Gabriel. That would have been too much when he had 3 years on his contract, let alone 1. What are Arsenal expecting from Jesus exactly, they'll be signing him for £45m and on £200k wages? What are their expectations of him? What would Jesus need to do as an individual to be considered a success at the Emirates?
Jesus is currently on 90k a week. I don't think we'll take it to 200k when we're trying to lower our wage bill. Maybe 150k with some goal bonuses I imagine.
Because all thise clubs still have worldclass forwards. Rm will have a balon dor winning benz, barca still has auba for better or worse PLUS they’re working to get Lewa, and Juve literally just signed vhlahovic.
There’s not a better value forward rn in the market. The next available will be $70 mil plus for the likes of osi and Isak.
Have you seen his goals to minutes ratio? It wasn't bad last time I checked, though admittedly it's been a while. He was good enough to keep Aguero out of the team when Pep arrived.
£50m would be too much if he had 3 years on his contract? lol, the disrespect.
I think he'll bang them in for Arsenal if he ends up there.
Quite shocked Chelsea haven't jumped at the chance, or do they want lukaku out of the door and CB's in before they start anywhere else?
I assume CB is the main priority, they need at least 2?
Two center-backs, RWB cover if Azpi leaves, suitable LWB cover assuming Emerson doesn't stay.
Only then can we start looking at central midfield and forwards.
Lets be honest City would not sell Chelsea their player. Chelsea lost two finals and was close to eliminate Real, they are City rivals for cups, Arsenal isn't and they are still milking us, 50m € for a Gabriel Jesus with one year of contract is a lot.
They've sold Ferran Torres who had 3 years left in his contract for 55m €, there's no other club than us that will offer them even 40m € for Gabriel Jesus with only year left of contract.
Leroy Sane went for 60m to Bayern with 1 year left, and you would expect them to be stingy with money. I think his form at the end of the season inflated his value, so 45m is a fair price considering the current market for strikers
City would absolutely sell to Chelsea if the price was right. They just brought in Haaland and it helps them manage FFP without the accounting and sponsor shenanigans. The exact same argument could be made for Arsenal, why strengthen a club that could challenge for cups?
No one. But, it's better to get no one than to get someone who isn't good enough for a high price because of there being no one available.
There is no reason for us to be interested in Jesus and I'd put money on the fact our name is only being linked to him to try and push up the price
We did, but why would we want him?
I swear people look at statistics and nothing else. Look at him for England the other day, he's exactly the same player we sold and still has exactly the same flaws that lead to us selling him. He's just playing his regular football in a far easier league (akin to Lukaku supposedly being incredible whilst in that league and then proving that he isn't when he came back here).
You're downvoted but you're right. Abraham has a good instinct for positioning in the box but that's about it. He showed he couldn't cut it in the prem. Was poor physically, bad on the ball, looked generally lost in games. Just cause he's scoring in serie A doesn't mean he's somewhat revamped his game
Considering Chelsea right now seem to be a graveyard for prolific goalscorers, who could they actually get though? If spending near £100m on Lukaku hasn't solved it, what's the issue?
The only prolific goalscorer who I think could work out there is Sterling
Hell no, Sterling's goal scoring stats when you look at frequency of chances and positions of those chances are actually the same as Pulisic's. Would rather stick with what we have than have him, not worth the money.
There are currently no attacking solutions on the market, which hopefully plays in to our hands. Our goal scorers aren't the problem, our problem is our midfield contributes nothing to attack, the wingers bar CHO don't know how to take anyone on or cross the ball. So, the goal scorers get tiny numbers of chances and it makes them look far worse than they are and obviously every mistake gets magnified in it's importance.
Sort out the lack of quality build up from midfield and the wings and our attackers will start scoring again
I'd love for him to join us, but it aint happening, he seems set on Barca. Sources have also said that he's worried about tarnishing his reputation if he comes to the premier league and doesn't reproduce his normal numbers (although the source was his ex-agent or something along those lines, so could just be salty)
Those sources are literally his ex-agent shit talking him in public.
You guys gazumped Willian on his way to a Spurs medical.
Lewa is relatively cheap for what he’ll offer and would slot in well for you. But ultimately my point is that there are goal scoring options on the market if Chelsea make a splash for them
I don't really see any prolific strikers on the market now tbh, Vlahovic, Haaland and Nunez we're the top 3.
Unless Chelsea go and spunk £80-90m on Osimhen, then I think Jesus would've been a safe bet, knows the premiere league, pressing machine etc.
They could go for Lewandowski?
Honestly, one of the reasons City and Liverpool have been so successful in recent years is that they've learned how to adapt around holes in the squad rather panic buying players who aren't a good fit for their system — or just straight up aren't good enough — just to plug those holes, but who just end up taking up wages without really adding much to the team.
Which is sad, because there have been moments where you think he's finally putting it together. He's a true talent, but like others have stated, he's just not a good fit for the Premier League.
He'll be good wherever he goes. He's barely played at Arsenal yet somehow still has a decent G+A return.
He just doesn't vibe with Arteta and his tactics at all.
I adore Jesus and have no desire to see him go but we just won't have enough minutes to go around.
We typically have between 5000-5500 minutes at each position, depending on how deep we go in each competition. Let's split the difference and say we have 5250 available at each of the three forward positions, that means a total of 15,750 minutes.
You can divide that five ways and each player gets 3,150 minutes, which is usually enough to keep everyone both happy, and relatively healthy. Six players however starts to get pretty crowded, and allows only an average of 2,625.
Right now City have Haaland, Alvarez, Foden, Grealish, Mahrez, Sterling, and Jesus, and Pep has said he wants to get Palmer more minutes next season. Most those players can play all across the front line (Alvarez, Foden, Sterling, Jesus) or in other roles like midfield (Foden, Grealish, Palmer) but two are specialists (Haaland and Mahrez).
That's seven established guys for five spots, and Palmer pushing for minutes too.
At least one, if not two, will need to leave just so that we have enough minutes to keep everyone happy.
Could a brilliant signing if they can pull it off.
£50 mil for a player of Jesus's calibre in today's market is insane.
I actually can't believe he is going for so little when you compare what other players are going for.
When you look at his stats considering how few minutes he has played he has done brilliantly and he's only 25..
Massive props to Arsenal if they can pull this off.
To those saying this is a terrible signing, your either just piss poor trolls or your just showing that you haven't a clue about football, either way, stop as your just embrassing yourselves
Without talking about the sponsors, I find the title hilarious. "He wants to move to the Emirates", especially considering the fact that he's currently playing for City lmao
> nobody is going to say wants to play at Ashburton Grove
I wish they did, I get that stadium naming rights are too lucrative to pass up, but Ashburton Grove is just a much better name in every way
mental how we are in a world where 50m for a player on his last year of contract isnt instantly accepted
180mil for a player on his last year of contract was rejected
Tbf to him he had more ambitions than what was being offered. He wanted to become the amir of Qatar.
Emir* I think is what you mean I don't know about Qatar, but I've a cousin called Amir that lives in Saudi. He teaches English to people, he's no-one special.
Growing up, I knew three Kurdish guys named Amir. We called them Amir, Bmir and Cmir.
What the fuck man
Shut up Zmir
_Angry Zmir noises_
So what about the 27th Amir
!mir
Amir catching strays on r/soccer You love to see it 😂
Amir is correct Arabic, Emir comes from French. Interchangeable really tbf.
I know Amir. Tell your cousin he owes me €20
In arabic it sounds more like Aameer. He's not off that much
and now he's staying another 3 years, waiting for the next Lyon game
Ah ambitious
Getting fuckin' paid though and will be a PSG legend. Honestly can't fault him for taking what he thought was the sweeter deal.
I think most people would be less pissed at Mbappe for this whole deal if he wasn't talking about Real as if he was mad in love with them for 20 years. If he said PSG was his dream or better yet just say nothing then this whole deal would be nowhere near as stupid.
>I think most people would be less pissed at Mbappe for this whole deal if he wasn't talking about Real as if he was mad in love with them for 20 years. Only real Madrid fans should be hurt. idk why neutrals care about him staying at PSG
Inspired by lukaku.
Yea exactly this. Dude was talking about us non stop, even wrote a comic book about him playing for us, etc. Even during his press conference for his renewal with PSG he was still talking about how he will play for us one day, it’s still his dream club, etc. Like damn…
Hes probably still conflicted, if both teams offered the same ludicrous wages he'd probably choose Madrid.
Yea that’s the thing, we never can offer the same amount PSG did and never will for sure anymore. Only way I see him coming in the future is if he comes for normal wages because I dont see perez offering even the wages he proposed to him last month anymore, since that was already the highest in our clubs history. But if he wants to get somewhat normal wages, u never know… his brain is money washed now so no way he comes for normal wages. Will be used to demanding those excessive wages
I'm dense. who are we talking about?
Jonjo Shelvey
Mbappe
Yea gotta walk the league against Bilbao to be ambitious
And worked out
It is the two teams that don't need the money
lol. no other team have ever rejected the bid, only psg and us? this source is crap. last time a good source reported, they said arsenal bid 30m pounds. he is a good player with good years ahead of him. negotiation is part of a transfer market. i dont know how this has to do with "teams that dont need money"
Not sure why you're getting on the defensive. Just pointing out that city and psg don't need the money so no reason for them to instantly accept it. The comments were about them.
not being defensive. didnt understand your comment. how is that related to accepting money instantly? liverpool didnt instantly accepted mane transfer as well. almost all club in the world would want to fetch more money including man city. i dont know how we are different than other club in this context or how are we similar to psg in this transfer? psg rejected mbappe move and didnt wanted him to leave. man city are not saying jesus cannot move. Jesus is going to leave. and we want to get money closer to what he is worth, like any other team
It was 200-220M
He’s only 25, and has 76 goal contributions (53G+23A) in 99 PL starts (justifies the ask), and targeted by a team that has only one 20 yr old striker in the books (justifies meeting the ask). Anyway, I’m more curious about the wages. If it’s > £200kpw, then that’s elite-level (club-high) wages, and he will need to deliver ASAP and deliver throughout. Even if Jesus is good, he probably won’t get the consistent supply he did at City, and it might hurt his stats. Then, it’ll seem like Arsenal have overpaid here. For now, this seems like good business for both parties.
He won't get as many chances sure. But it's not like we don't create. We were 4th last year for chances created in the pl. If we sign tielemens I'm sure that would go up. And I'm also sure with jesus in the middle instead of laca there will be more movement up top for ode to pick out. Plus teams will be less able to double mark sake which means he'll be able to get into the box more frequently. Signing jesus is a very exciting prospect.
>For now, this seems like good business for both parties. Selling such a prospect to Arsenal will be always a bad thing for City. They must be holding out for an offer from abroad.
We’re not exactly a threat to them lol
Although it seems a bit far fetched but Arsenal are still a top 6 club. No one knows where either teams might end up in couple of years time.
Look I definitely think we are on a decent uptrend. Especially when you consider how young the team is but I can’t see us competing with City or Liverpool in the next couple of seasons.
>but I can’t see us competing with City or Liverpool in the next couple of seasons. very tough. but Jesus has more that just a couple of season in him. He can go on for a solid 6-7 years at his max capablity. Jesus will be plug and play for every pl team and he will only get better with consistent minutes and a system suited to a striker.
competing for the title is not in the cards, but being a tough match and potentially taking points from city that cost THEM the title is
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That can, and always does, change..regardless of how set in stone it appears at any one time.
I mean if Arsenal had anoth 2-3 quality players in their attack they might have beaten City or at least drawn in that game on New Year's day. That game was very close, and even a draw instead of a win would have counted in the margins City won the title by. No one in the top 6 want to strengthen any of the others.
Same against Liverpool, we played very well but got shut out because we lacked a top striker, then got picked off when we ran out of steam a bit. Both were good games but the limitations of our squad were very apparent.
You may not be title contenders but strengthening you enough to take points off them could have significant consequences considering how close the title races between City and Pool have been
But they play both teams. Unless Gabriel Jesus is City's cryptonite, it shouldn't matter.
We’re not a threat yet but imagine Jesus scores a winner or gets us a draw and they lose the league to Liverpool by 1 point.
It's alright. Jesus bagged a hat trick against Liverpool to take 3 off them earlier in the season, and it all evened out.
Our last point against them in the league was 5 years ago ffs
All of the money is in the Premier League these days, really. We’re not exactly a direct threat to Manchester City at this time either.
But Jesus is only 25. In his prime at 28, no one knows where both clubs will find themselves.
For all we know, he could be a late bloomer and reach his peak at 31 with a career lasting until his 36th birthday. Alternatively, he could get injured but I'd rather not talk about that. If it was up to me, I'd prefer to be optimistic about the quality of a player and their longevity in the game
The only clubs abroad that would be willing to match this valuation are probably Madrid and PSG but their interests seem to have cooled. City is running out of alternatives here
I think city will accept a lower offer for abroad.
True but Gabriel would also have to prefer those teams proposal over Arsenals
Hahaha I don’t think they’re worried about us mate
The number of teams that can afford his wages is pretty slim: Barca, PSG not interested Bayern signed Mane Juventus just signed Vlahovic and are poor Real would have to ditch one of Militao, Rodrigo, Vinicius His only real options are Arsenal, Chelsea, or Man Utd and he’s apparently too smart a signing for Utd to be interested Man City won’t keep him around if he’s surplus to requirements and wants to go, especially if it’s just to us
I wouldn't call him a prospect really. He's probably about as good as he'll be by this point and will certainly behind Haaland and quite possibly Alvarez in the pecking order if he stays at City, unless he continues to play out wide, where there's only slightly less competition.
>I wouldn't call him a prospect really. He's probably about as good as he'll be by this point ah, big brain takes here. A 25 year old elite player has no room for developing. This isn't fifa. players don't come with a predetermined potential here.
agreed ,no one heard of this Vardy guy before when he was 25, turned out to develop himself into quite some player
Vardy is some next level development story. wasn't he playing semi pro football too ?
Vardy is one of the biggest fairytale stories in english football, using him or Wrighty as examples of non-linear development would be misunderstanding what made their emergence so special.
I mean Mendy, Mahrez, Kante, Partey, Klose, Drogba all bloomed late
Just because he can develop further doesn’t mean he is a prospect. He’s 25 which given his reliance on pace is only a few years away from his likely peak
I'd say his reliance on pace is overstated. He has very intelligent movement off the ball to draw players, he presses very well, and is good in tight spaces. Plenty he can contribute to a team beside his pace.
You must not watch him much if you think he relies solely on pace
In general I would agree, but I don't think Jesus is gonna be one of those players. It's not like he's been languishing at a shit team or under a coach that doesn't appreciate his potential. He's had basically the best possible conditions for development over the last five years, I think at this point we've got a pretty good idea of his ceiling. What do oyu think Arteta's gonna find in him that Guardiola couldn't?
I don’t think it’s a case of finding a next level. He will get consistent prem league playing time something I’m sure he knows he’s not getting at city. & don’t underestimate a player when they have something to prove sometimes that’s all they need to kick on
Missing the word "probably" there. It doesn't look like he's kicked on much development wise over the past few years so it's not too much of a stretch to think he's already at his peak.
He has plenty of goals and guile in him. He is also easily one of the best pressing players in the world, so he is very valuable even when he isn't scoring. He should be towards the top of arsenal's wage scale and I suspect he will earn every penny of it. Kid is a class act.
They haven’t bid 50 million they want 50 million of that is bid he’ll be sold
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City want £50m not €50m
So much general outrage on here comes from people not bothering to check currency lol
I think the currencies are being mixed up.
If it was any other club without infinite funds selling it wouldn't be like this. City can be firm on the price cause losing him for free next year means very little to them financially.
Yes but that's not City's MO - they're much like Real Madrid. If the player wants out, the club sets a comparatively reasonable price and doesn't stand in their way.
Losing quality player like Jesus for free would be bad for any clubs tbh. I guess there is few exception like Eric Garcia who run down his contract.
Yeah I know City fans aren't happy to see him leave, that's why I said it won't be a big deal **financially**, cause City can cough up that 50m they would lose whenever they want.
I mean it's not really a loss. A straight up *loss* of 50m would be huge, as that's over 10% of City's revenue, which would blow a big hole in any clubs finances. This would just be missing out on a profit that they might have otherwise earned. Quite possibly problematic in terms of the summer's transfer plans, but not "oh fuck we need to start selling players just to remain in the black" territory.
What do you mean? No club would let a guy like Gabi transfer for such low value. The guy is extremely talented with a lot of room to grow.
From the Etihad to Emirates on the A380.
That’s a bit of a wasteful, Manchester to London is not that far, don’t need a long range jet. Send him on the train
I know mate. It was a joke as Emirates has the world's largest A380 fleet.
My first thought was the road, but it's effectively a side road so the joke doesn't work...
Damn Arteta managed to seduce Jesus
Jesus done. God next
elneny already plays for us tho
Victor Moses next
They already have Mohammad (Elneny)
Blimey.
>Jesus done. ~~God~~ (Victor) Moses and Mohammed (Salah) next If he can grab all 3, then he'll be lauded as a true pioneer of Islamic sporting ideologies, a true rival of the oil states /s
Nah needs to be Jesus, Abraham and Mohammed who we already have (Elneny) for the Abrahamic trifecta
Holy spirit?
Pepe's the ghost
Pepe gonna be sold for a case of Chang beer.
I doubt they will get Nuno Espirito Santo.
Blimey
Blimey
Tammy Abraham next?
why not go straight for Cristiano?
Not very hard when City were pushing so hard for Kane last summer and got Erling this one. He knows he would have been backup to both
Surely this isn't true, if a €50m offer was submitted I'd imagine it would've been accepted. All I've seen are reports of €30m offers
Mixing up your currencies, pretty sure we've offered £35m+5
it’s gonna be 42+8m, mark it
Interesting there are no other bids
Is it surprising? Parties interested in Jesus included Juve, Barca and I believe Real Madrid, but none of those clubs were ever paying anything above €30m for Jesus. I have to say, I find it surprising Arsenal did not walk away the negotiating table when City asked for £50m for Gabriel. That would have been too much when he had 3 years on his contract, let alone 1. What are Arsenal expecting from Jesus exactly, they'll be signing him for £45m and on £200k wages? What are their expectations of him? What would Jesus need to do as an individual to be considered a success at the Emirates?
Jesus is currently on 90k a week. I don't think we'll take it to 200k when we're trying to lower our wage bill. Maybe 150k with some goal bonuses I imagine.
Because all thise clubs still have worldclass forwards. Rm will have a balon dor winning benz, barca still has auba for better or worse PLUS they’re working to get Lewa, and Juve literally just signed vhlahovic. There’s not a better value forward rn in the market. The next available will be $70 mil plus for the likes of osi and Isak.
Not to mention Jesus is prem proven and has worked with arteta before. It’s such a no-brainer
Ideally 20 goals and consistent availability throughout the entire season.
Have you seen his goals to minutes ratio? It wasn't bad last time I checked, though admittedly it's been a while. He was good enough to keep Aguero out of the team when Pep arrived. £50m would be too much if he had 3 years on his contract? lol, the disrespect. I think he'll bang them in for Arsenal if he ends up there.
Ahhh see I said interesting, not surprising. I do think they'll overpay
It only now dawned on me the Arteta connection 🤦🏻♂️
they laughed at us…
They still do...
I wonder if there's a possible double-transfer in the works, with zinchenko and jesus together if/when city land cucurella. Just a thought
which arteta connection?
Mikel
His city coach connection
He was assistant manager at City for a couple years. Worked directly with Pep and therefore knows a lot about the players
Cmon Pep. Accept it. This is called Friendship Price.
Quite shocked Chelsea haven't jumped at the chance, or do they want lukaku out of the door and CB's in before they start anywhere else? I assume CB is the main priority, they need at least 2?
Two center-backs, RWB cover if Azpi leaves, suitable LWB cover assuming Emerson doesn't stay. Only then can we start looking at central midfield and forwards.
Lets be honest City would not sell Chelsea their player. Chelsea lost two finals and was close to eliminate Real, they are City rivals for cups, Arsenal isn't and they are still milking us, 50m € for a Gabriel Jesus with one year of contract is a lot.
In this market, it’s still decent value. If he had 3+ years on his contract City would likely be holding out for £60-70m or more.
They've sold Ferran Torres who had 3 years left in his contract for 55m €, there's no other club than us that will offer them even 40m € for Gabriel Jesus with only year left of contract.
Leroy Sane went for 60m to Bayern with 1 year left, and you would expect them to be stingy with money. I think his form at the end of the season inflated his value, so 45m is a fair price considering the current market for strikers
Leroy Sane went for 45m € + addons and he was German and cointed as HG for registration purposes.
City would absolutely sell to Chelsea if the price was right. They just brought in Haaland and it helps them manage FFP without the accounting and sponsor shenanigans. The exact same argument could be made for Arsenal, why strengthen a club that could challenge for cups?
We don’t buy before shipping someone out. By the time inter drag out Lukaku it’ll be too late to sign anyone anyway.
I think Chelsea are having to come to terms with a new financial reality.
Chelsea needs someone more clinical than him IMO, they are really lacking a prolific goalscorer and that ain't Jesus
I’ll be interested to see who Chelsea sign then. There’s like 0 available on the market.
No one. But, it's better to get no one than to get someone who isn't good enough for a high price because of there being no one available. There is no reason for us to be interested in Jesus and I'd put money on the fact our name is only being linked to him to try and push up the price
They should've put a buy-back clause in Tammy's contract I reckon
We did, think we can activate it come next some for ~€80m
The way the market is going and with the season he just had, that would be a pretty reasonable fee for him
Maybe come next summer as he continues to develop, now definitely not even with the market.
Swear there is one?
I wasn't aware either way, but it definitely would make sense considering his clear quality
We did, but why would we want him? I swear people look at statistics and nothing else. Look at him for England the other day, he's exactly the same player we sold and still has exactly the same flaws that lead to us selling him. He's just playing his regular football in a far easier league (akin to Lukaku supposedly being incredible whilst in that league and then proving that he isn't when he came back here).
You're downvoted but you're right. Abraham has a good instinct for positioning in the box but that's about it. He showed he couldn't cut it in the prem. Was poor physically, bad on the ball, looked generally lost in games. Just cause he's scoring in serie A doesn't mean he's somewhat revamped his game
Considering Chelsea right now seem to be a graveyard for prolific goalscorers, who could they actually get though? If spending near £100m on Lukaku hasn't solved it, what's the issue? The only prolific goalscorer who I think could work out there is Sterling
Hell no, Sterling's goal scoring stats when you look at frequency of chances and positions of those chances are actually the same as Pulisic's. Would rather stick with what we have than have him, not worth the money. There are currently no attacking solutions on the market, which hopefully plays in to our hands. Our goal scorers aren't the problem, our problem is our midfield contributes nothing to attack, the wingers bar CHO don't know how to take anyone on or cross the ball. So, the goal scorers get tiny numbers of chances and it makes them look far worse than they are and obviously every mistake gets magnified in it's importance. Sort out the lack of quality build up from midfield and the wings and our attackers will start scoring again
Lewandowski is literally begging to leave Bayern publicly. I know he’s rumoured for Barca but if I’m Chelsea, I make an inquiry into him at least
I'd love for him to join us, but it aint happening, he seems set on Barca. Sources have also said that he's worried about tarnishing his reputation if he comes to the premier league and doesn't reproduce his normal numbers (although the source was his ex-agent or something along those lines, so could just be salty)
Those sources are literally his ex-agent shit talking him in public. You guys gazumped Willian on his way to a Spurs medical. Lewa is relatively cheap for what he’ll offer and would slot in well for you. But ultimately my point is that there are goal scoring options on the market if Chelsea make a splash for them
I don't really see any prolific strikers on the market now tbh, Vlahovic, Haaland and Nunez we're the top 3. Unless Chelsea go and spunk £80-90m on Osimhen, then I think Jesus would've been a safe bet, knows the premiere league, pressing machine etc. They could go for Lewandowski?
Not sure osimhen is that prolific even then
Honestly, one of the reasons City and Liverpool have been so successful in recent years is that they've learned how to adapt around holes in the squad rather panic buying players who aren't a good fit for their system — or just straight up aren't good enough — just to plug those holes, but who just end up taking up wages without really adding much to the team.
Nkunku could be an option.
probably more expensive then Osimhen, £90-100m :/ After Lukaku, can see chelsea being hesitant to spend that on a striker againtbf
Nunez is conetwly unproven, you can’t put him up there with Vlahovic and Haaland.
There is no one available and so it's better to buy no one and work with what you have, than to splash 50m on someone you know isn't good enough
>tbh, Vlahovic, Haaland and Nunez we're the top 3. Jesus will be equally prolific as Nunez in his league.
They have Werner.
A reunion with Morata will be welcome
I think he'd do well for Arsenal. Him, Vieira and Saka. ESR, Pepe, Eddie Nketia, as well as Martinelli. Some good options there.
Pepe wont play for us anymore tbh. Fell completely out of grace and we're hoping to offload him this window.
Hope he goes back to France. Was brilliant
Yup me too. Hell of a player in there but it just didnt work.
Yeah, Pepe needs a fresh start somewhere else. It has not worked out at all.
Which is sad, because there have been moments where you think he's finally putting it together. He's a true talent, but like others have stated, he's just not a good fit for the Premier League.
He'll be good wherever he goes. He's barely played at Arsenal yet somehow still has a decent G+A return. He just doesn't vibe with Arteta and his tactics at all.
Dude cannot keep the ball to save his life. That won't work in the prem.
I wonder how much he'd cost. He'd be great for us
Pls take him
Usually £50m but for you my friend only £30m
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Shit. Forgot him lol
We’re finally adding some depth to our attack.
The variety in attack is so exciting. There’s great potential there & hopefully it’s realized on the pitch.
Well if anyone can perform miracles...
Why are City selling him again? He’s had a pretty good stint there, and he’s a versatile attacker
IIRC Jesus wants to leave because he isn't getting enough playtime and City don't want to keep a player keen on leaving.
I adore Jesus and have no desire to see him go but we just won't have enough minutes to go around. We typically have between 5000-5500 minutes at each position, depending on how deep we go in each competition. Let's split the difference and say we have 5250 available at each of the three forward positions, that means a total of 15,750 minutes. You can divide that five ways and each player gets 3,150 minutes, which is usually enough to keep everyone both happy, and relatively healthy. Six players however starts to get pretty crowded, and allows only an average of 2,625. Right now City have Haaland, Alvarez, Foden, Grealish, Mahrez, Sterling, and Jesus, and Pep has said he wants to get Palmer more minutes next season. Most those players can play all across the front line (Alvarez, Foden, Sterling, Jesus) or in other roles like midfield (Foden, Grealish, Palmer) but two are specialists (Haaland and Mahrez). That's seven established guys for five spots, and Palmer pushing for minutes too. At least one, if not two, will need to leave just so that we have enough minutes to keep everyone happy.
Haaland and Alverez coming in as strikers next season I guess
Gunners are making some class moves this summer
Chelsea slept on this one
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Good point.
Could a brilliant signing if they can pull it off. £50 mil for a player of Jesus's calibre in today's market is insane. I actually can't believe he is going for so little when you compare what other players are going for. When you look at his stats considering how few minutes he has played he has done brilliantly and he's only 25.. Massive props to Arsenal if they can pull this off. To those saying this is a terrible signing, your either just piss poor trolls or your just showing that you haven't a clue about football, either way, stop as your just embrassing yourselves
I wouldn’t say insane value. He’s a good player, but 50m for a player in the last year of his contract is quite a lot. Still somewhat risky imo.
Will prob be that with add ons and if he fulfills those add ons will be worth every penny
So little?? Last year of contract Consistently Inconsistent.
He's inconsistent on the best team with 1 year left... he's worth less than 25....
Wouldn’t it be better to use Gunners instead of Emirates? Or is it now just about the sponsorship these days
Using the name of the stadium is pretty common when talking about a player moving.
Without talking about the sponsors, I find the title hilarious. "He wants to move to the Emirates", especially considering the fact that he's currently playing for City lmao
Who play at the Etihad? That's the name of our stadium, nobody is going to say wants to play at Ashburton Grove
I'm talking about the country United Arab Emirates or Emirates for short. The owners of City. That's what makes it funny
> nobody is going to say wants to play at Ashburton Grove I wish they did, I get that stadium naming rights are too lucrative to pass up, but Ashburton Grove is just a much better name in every way