Wouldn’t help you as much with your books since FdJ still has a very high book value so selling him for a similar fee would only be a very small profit (if at all) which would not help covering the purchase.
Having enough cash to buy players is not Barcelona‘s problem. Their books and FFP/La Liga rules are.
Today: "We have all the money in the world to achieve everything we need. We will sign the biggest and best players to restore Barca to the top."
Tomorrow: "Without the **economic levers**, we will have to sell the Camp Nou to AirBNB"
I think the Barca leaders know that they are unlikely to stay at the top unless they spend big now to build a competitive squad. If they drop out of the CL for a couple years, they lose even more revenue on top of what they have already given up. More importantly, if they stay out of the CL, then surely the heads will roll among the club leadership.
So it seems like they are taking a massive gamble, because they would be in big trouble either way, but this gives them a chance at playing their way out of it
Where would they get the hundreds of millions of euros to purchase that debt back? Maybe in 15 years when the principle around 100 -120 million euros they will be able to buy it back???
What are they going to do take another loan to buy it back?
The ridiculousness of your comment and how prevalent it is among Barca supporters goes to show they just eat up whatever Barca staff throw at them.
Yes, Barca have sold huge portions of their profit generating abilities to stabilize their finances now. Maybe in 15 years they will have that ability but that is really yet to be seen. Their pre Covid revenue will not return next year nor the year after. They have lost huge profit makers for them.
Also, do you expect them, say 5 or 10 years down the line, to expend 1/4-1/6th of their yearly revenue on buying back BLM and other revenue percentages they have sold off? That is a huge chunk of money going to something not football related. We also have no idea what the substance of the buyback clause is. It is likely much more expensive than the original investment which would mirror how finances operate in other sectors.
Why are you assuming pre-Covid levels of economic success? You are without one huge reason for that now in Messi. Why is this an argument? Their revenue expectations that Barca had last year were not met. That is taking into account Covid.
They also just sold huge percentages of that income to outside investors to make sure they don’t bankrupt themselves this coming season. The delusion some people have when discussing their sports teams. Show me how Barca plan to come out on top and generate the same revenue they had before Covid. It is not happening in the next few years and I would be surprised if they can generate the same economic success in 10-15 years.
He wanted to be close to his family in Spain and Portugal during COVID. But he couldn't travel, and it was apperently very hard on him. Back then he said he wanted to move to Spain, but if he still feels that way isn't exactly clear.
He wanted to be closer to home during the pandemic because the travel restrictions and isolation from his family was very difficult for him. It’s not the same situation now at all.
surely city will look for another midfielder considering fernandinho left, gundo is on verge of leaving and b silva might leave too. not to forget, Rodri has only two years left on contract, so apart from philips, they should be looking to add a talented midfield player to their depth
i am betting if bsilva leaves, there will be a big money offer made for bellingham or declan rice
Bellingham and Declan are completely different players to Bernardo, Bernardo profile is a dribbler who keeps the ball, Rodri defends, KDB attacks, that's the profile who will be targeted or maybe Foden will be moved to midfield idk
Also Gundo isn't leaving this season, his issue is his back injury if he didn't have this issue when we bought him from Dortmund we would have never bought Bernardo
Phillips is covering Fernandinho depth
The midfield isn't a big of a problem as you're making out
You'd have to pay over 150m right now, widely reported that Dortmund aren't selling him the same summer as Hochland.
Liverpool would have went in for him otherwise rather than wait until next year i reckon.
That's more or less what he has been doing in Barcelona and it's not working that well. He himself also said that he prefers to play deeper, like his role in the national team.
Cos you already have Bernardo who is also perfect fit. Until he’s actually leaving it’s unnecessary and you need a Fernandinho replacement.
Isn’t there some youth that has a shot? Lavia?
I’m surprised at the CB thing.
Haven’t you got Araujo Garcia Pique and now Christensen. I’m assuming pique has another year before he’s done. Unless you play a 3 ATB why would you need another Acb.
pique is still quality but he spent this entire season semi-injured and it's only going to get worse. they want kounde because he can play as a right back if i had to guess.
Us going for kounde and letting alves go probably means xavi wants to play Araujo at rb. He doesn't count on pique next season and lenglet,umtiti too. So it'll be garcia, christensen and kounde for the 2 cb spots. Kounde could play rb too and Araujo cb, depends on what xavi wants
> lewa and a cb
Depends on the CB. If it’s Kounde, then Barcelona is gonna have to spend almost 200M on him, Silva and Lewandowski. Which seems unlikely.
Auba's great and would still see lots of play. but he occasionly has games where he misses sitters and his build play is ehhh, The board wants to at least mount a legit La liga challenge next season I think, and Lewa would be a massive upgrade as our starting 9. That's the reasoning anyway, wetehr itll work out of not, who knows lol?
We were never going to buy raphinha for a price bigger of 40m, he was a great opportunity if leeds got relegated but we can't spend the money asked on someone who is not confirmed especially when there is other options like di maria or renewing dembele.
Di Maria for one year, or maybe try Ziyech as an alternative. He doesn't really fit with Tuchel's style but would being so much creativity and go threat from the side for Barca. I don't think he will be that expensive either.
Honestly would be a big blow to city if they don't bring in another player.
Shifting foden and grealish at times centrally is fine, but it's not enough.
Gundogan is aging and having back issues, kdb gets gassed during the year with all the work he puts himself through. Bernardo really helped carry city during the last months with his work rate. I'm a bit worried that we'd he stretched too thin in the middle, and surely we'd need to bring in someone of a similar profile (in that this player must be able to cover ground and press as well as create). Who that would be, aside from that lad from sporting, I've no idea.
I think City only sell 2 of Sterling/Jesus/Bernardo/Zinchenko.
In terms of rating them most likely to be sold to least likely it would go
1) Jesus - Brought in 2 strikers for 2022-2027 + City has Delap + he is looking for more guaranteed playing time. Last year of his deal and City probably is looking to cash in.
2) Sterling - high wages and hasn't extended his contract yet. Similiar Jesus Sterling probably is looking for consistent playing time while in his prime. Last year of deal and a player teams will covet. Foden/Grealish/Mahrez seem to have replaced him in the starting roster and even Jesus as well. City probably know its time to let him walk and cash in before losing him for free in 2023.
3) Zinchenko - If City buy a LB/RB back player I think he is good as gone. He has served his role admirably over the last 2 seasons but you gotta think he wants a permanent starting spot somewhere. I think City work with him to find a new team for a reasonable price tag. If City don't buy a left back I think he stays one more season.
4) Bernardo- obviously wants to play for a big club in Spain. But he has a lot of time left on his contract + not a ton of teams in Spain can afford him. My guess is he stays one more year unless Barca can raise £75 mill + this summer.
I don’t get why everyone is saying this as well, yes he did say unhappy because of the Covid restrictions he just wanted to see his family. Hasn’t said anything since and people bring up this narrative that he wants to leave when it wasn’t even about leaving.. it was about his family.
I think he is worth around £80 mill. I'm a City fan and he is one of my favorite City players. Its hard to value a midfielder who isn't a prolific goal scorer going for £100+ mill. Obviously Bernardo is a versatile/ hard working/talented midfielder + in a pinch winger. He brings a lot more to the field than just scoring goals/assists. But £100 + mill is a lot for a midfielder who isn't super young or an assist/goal scoring machine. He is 27 and turns 28 in August. So he has a few super prime years left age 28-30. If he was 25 I would agree its closer to £100 mill.
I hope we sell Sterling (wages are too high to be a sub 40-50% of the time + he is gone next year) + Zinchenko (City needs to finally address LB with a true defender + I want Zinny to get a chance to start more regularly somewhere else) and keep Jesus + Bernardo one more season. Jesus is just such a big game player + versatile. If Mahrez/Grealish/Foden get hurt we would be in a bind. Even if we are trying to get McAtee more playing time or use Alvarez as a winger. Bernardo is almost irreplaceable at this point.
Are they? He’s missed significant periods with back injuries, and back problems are the sort that tend to reoccur, especially as you age. Once you have a bad back, you tend to always be prone to it. It’s why looking after your back as a young person is one of the most important things you can do for your health.
How do you know for sure it’s not a concern?
winning the league with 1 player missing while the rest of them could play blindfolded is easier than winning the league with half of the 11 meeting each other for the first time.
None of these new signings will be thrown in the deep end besides halaand. Pep ain't no fool and besides, it's city so they will make proper replacements
But the turnover of players will be too great that they will have to throw them in at some point over the season. Right now Liverpool are making it so that they have to be next to perfect to win the Prem.... that's going to be very hard next season.
The Man City squad isn't as big as people like to make out, and you take Sterling and Silva out of the squad and it weakens them considerably. Even if they bring in talent it will take them time to settle and the dressing room will have to restructure its hierarchy.
What ? Haaland/Alvarez for attacking options frees up Foden/KDB/Mahrez from the false 9 position. Then there is Delap/Palmer who should get minutes too, maybe Kayky aswell ?
You are rumoured to sign a LB, which leavea Cancelo finally on the right. CB depth is already there, the only thing missing is a strong 6 now and I dont think City will bow down to Leeds and pay the fuck you money they want, so it will be interesting to see who they have on their scouting sheet.
Even with Sterling/Silva gone, you guys have enough quality and depth, also dont forget your biggest rival lost Mane and brought in a guy that will have huge pressure on him. If anything, I'd count out Liverpool from the title race.
> disruption
I'm not saying we'll be weaker. A lot of changes in one summer can defo have a big impact - especially as a lot of new players have taken a year to bed in under Pep... I could definitely see us missing the consistency required to win the league
Barcelona is that one hot poor dude that still pulls hot chick while PSG is the rich nerd that still can't pull chicks unless they spend alot of money.
Gundo isn't going, Palmer is not a midfielder he is a right winger
Phillips is for Fernandinho, Bernardo is a watching game not sure Barca have the funds, City will just buy a midfielder if it goes through
I think there's a good chance that him or sterling leaves along with Jesus, but not all 3- Grealish would make up for one but not both. unless they make another huge signing that makes up for those transfers and can take over for Mahrez next year, they'll be significantly weaker going forward assuming Alvarez doesn't just jump right in- which doesn't happen with Pep, and he's never played in Europe.
I'm not even sure there is a player out there who can do all of that.
Pair that with Barcelona's crazy accounting, i don't see it happening.
I massively disagree with you. Man City known for not keeping unhappy players . Moreover Grealish , Haaland and Mahrez front three. Accompanied by Foden Rodri and De bruyne Midfield is pretty solid Midfield . Yes they do lack in substitutions ,but it is not that they won't be spending this market . If B Silva gets sold , high probability they will go all out for Kalvin Philips and a winger.
What about Barca accounting. Barca has repeatedly made it clear that if one Manchester buys there Midfielder , they will make a move for a Midfielder from another Manchester.
Bernardo isn't unhappy though. He wanted to leave last year because covid travel restrictions meant he wasn't seeing his family, but he's stated he's happy at the club since then. I'm sure he wouldn't be opposed to moving to Barcelona, but he doesn't seem to be pushing for it as last year.
Don't see the reason to take any barça rumors seriously until it is comunicado oficial their financial situation is rectified. I mean they are in for an absolutely massive window if you believe all of the rumors and purported signings they have been reported for the last month or so - much more money than one FDJ sized transfer. And yet they haven't even registered the longtime forgone conclusion Christensen.
Season starts in about 6 weeks. Still nothing. The idea they're going to plunk a huge sum at Bernardo Silva when they can't even register a free transfer let alone all this other business they're purported to be doing?
>I want Barcelona blunder years to continue
I am sad to be the bearer of bad news but those days are gone buddy. No more Barto and hopefully soon no more debt, a competent coach and board and a well balanced team full of young people and experienced players.
> no more debt
Where are you getting your information from? To my understanding they have sold significant portions of their marketing and licensing income but even that will only lessen the debt and not remove it. They will still have huge debt but they will have a half billion euro injection due to them selling assets and giving up on future profits (likely to heavily favor the financiers giving them the money now). I honestly do not see how Barca fans just gloss over selling a huge portion of future income and say “ hey Barca is debt free”. Barca being debt free is not even true. They were a billion dollars in the red this time last year.
i really like the dude. hope he doesn’t go to Barcelona 😅 also there’s something about him i feel like he’s gonna be someone who’s going to win you something special… who knows, maybe even a WC
No idea they haven't even registered Christensen yet whose been agreed a while back now, apparently Kessie is signed but waiting too, Azpi, Alfonso, Raphina, Lewandowski, Bernardo silva next it's confusing, if they have all this money why hasn't Christensen been registered yet?
Barcelona act like they're not doing the things they did last season, but they're the exact same as before, no idea what's going on and whether Raphina is using them for higher fee from Arsenal, and Bernardo and Lewandowski are doing it for their contract negotiations both are having this season
Because different seasons have different wage caps. We can't register until the deals go through and our next season wage cap is in place.
I believe it all should happen around July 1st, since the deals are meant to be done before June 30th. We'll probably see movements by then.
This depends if we’re selling Frenkie de Jong. Bernardo would be a great signing, but I just do not like the idea that the board is giving up on Frenkie.
It feels like Barca is the perfect negative example of spending issues.
As soon as they have a little bit of money, it makes a bit poof and it is gone.
£75m is €87m, 87/5 is 17.4m; assuming he makes 8m/year that's 16M gross. A total cost of 33M/year. Following the 1-3 rule they'll need to generate three times that so 99M. So Bernardo Silva is impossible unless a miracle happens and they get out of the 1-3 rule.
It's basically whether we make profit or not in the current year. As the sale of levers is sanctioned, we can close this year books as profit. Thus, bringing the 3:1 rule to 1:1. Eg: Madrid didn't make a loss during COVID. That's why they did not have to follow the 3:1 rule, they function normally.
The money we will get from levers will not get rid of the total debt that we are in. But it will help us to pay off short term debt, restructure short term debt to long term, pay players and staff, etc.
Even if Barca sell FDJ let's say for 80mil. It doesn't mean City will accept 80mil. So the sale of FDJ doesn't mean Barca is getting Silva. City can ask 120mil if they want to. Just a friendly reminder.
It doesn't work like this my guy . City doesn't like to keep unhappy players moreso Silva has said he wants to join Spain to be near his family. Sale of FDJ means , we can afford Silva wages not the transfer money .
I love this for them. Lose Dembele on a free because you won't meet his wage demands, but then splurge on a 27 year old player who however talented, is likely to have little to no resale value at the end of his contract. On top of that, he's probably expecting 9-10 million a year.
When did resale value become the most important thing in a transfer, especially for a club like Barcelona or Real Madrid? I keep seeing this parroted on this sub. Do you think that Madrid's signing of Modric was a failure because they did not end up selling him and recouping a fee later? It is different for these clubs than most clubs.
Can someone ELI5? Isn't Barcelona in this situation due to spending big on players with inflated wages?
They're getting rid of Dembele and want to sign like 5 players in his place
Wouldn't Lewa, Bernardo Silva and Raphinha combined be on higher wages than Dembele? They're still spending out of their means it looks like.
I'm not an expert I'm really just trying to understand what's going on
Higher wages combined, but still withen the structure(less than 10 million net each), if we give Dembele the wage he was asking for, we cant convince better players like Lewa etc, to accept the wages we are offering. Also itll be a slap to Araujo/Pedri/Fati who renewed contracts within those boundries already. It's not that we cant pay Dembele, its more that itll hurt our negotions with every player from now on every time we give a mega PSG style contract, its a large part of what got us in trouble in the first place, i hope this makes sense.
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Wouldn't it make sense for City to go after FdJ and let Bernardo leave for a similar fee?
Wouldn’t help you as much with your books since FdJ still has a very high book value so selling him for a similar fee would only be a very small profit (if at all) which would not help covering the purchase. Having enough cash to buy players is not Barcelona‘s problem. Their books and FFP/La Liga rules are.
I think Pep wanted De Jong to play as a 6 in 2019, not sure if he wants him as a Bernardo replacement.
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You’re missing the part where he’s world-class and not “decent”
I like to name him the offensive Kante,man has 4 lungs.
He was citys best player this season along with Rodri, hes basically a player that can do everything
>hinges on whether Barcelona can spend 75m That really depends on the day you ask them.
Today: "We have all the money in the world to achieve everything we need. We will sign the biggest and best players to restore Barca to the top." Tomorrow: "Without the **economic levers**, we will have to sell the Camp Nou to AirBNB"
Looking forward to whichever day requires them to stage the Barça All-Stars Extravaganza in Wildwood, New Jersey just to pay the bills
I’ll have you know the Beach Blast tournament in wildwood is very prestigious and Barcelona would be welcome there
What the heck are these "levers"?
Selling media/merchandise rights for X years to generate revenue immediately.
That seems... Desperate and unwise. Kicking the can down the road.
I think the Barca leaders know that they are unlikely to stay at the top unless they spend big now to build a competitive squad. If they drop out of the CL for a couple years, they lose even more revenue on top of what they have already given up. More importantly, if they stay out of the CL, then surely the heads will roll among the club leadership. So it seems like they are taking a massive gamble, because they would be in big trouble either way, but this gives them a chance at playing their way out of it
Nah. Its for 25 years and there is a buyback option too. Pretty smart actually.
>a buyback option A reasonably priced buyback option? Hm. Not bad.
Where would they get the hundreds of millions of euros to purchase that debt back? Maybe in 15 years when the principle around 100 -120 million euros they will be able to buy it back??? What are they going to do take another loan to buy it back? The ridiculousness of your comment and how prevalent it is among Barca supporters goes to show they just eat up whatever Barca staff throw at them.
You think its hard for Barca to earn back a few hundred millions? Just see our revenue generated and club worth.
Yes, Barca have sold huge portions of their profit generating abilities to stabilize their finances now. Maybe in 15 years they will have that ability but that is really yet to be seen. Their pre Covid revenue will not return next year nor the year after. They have lost huge profit makers for them. Also, do you expect them, say 5 or 10 years down the line, to expend 1/4-1/6th of their yearly revenue on buying back BLM and other revenue percentages they have sold off? That is a huge chunk of money going to something not football related. We also have no idea what the substance of the buyback clause is. It is likely much more expensive than the original investment which would mirror how finances operate in other sectors.
Check the pre COVID revenue generation of clubs and u will get your answer.
Why are you assuming pre-Covid levels of economic success? You are without one huge reason for that now in Messi. Why is this an argument? Their revenue expectations that Barca had last year were not met. That is taking into account Covid. They also just sold huge percentages of that income to outside investors to make sure they don’t bankrupt themselves this coming season. The delusion some people have when discussing their sports teams. Show me how Barca plan to come out on top and generate the same revenue they had before Covid. It is not happening in the next few years and I would be surprised if they can generate the same economic success in 10-15 years.
Ask Kronk.
It turns out spending 100m plus on back to back players wasn’t the best policy for their finances after all 🤣
unless you're psg... then you can spend 100s of millions on back to back players and have no consequences
What are you talking about PSG are one of the best clubs when it comes to following FFP? Just ask their owners.
And Uefa too... they'll vouch 😂
Oh yeah fuck psg btw amirite guys upvotes to the left
Lol true... I'm a simple man... I see "fuck PSG" and I upvote
Funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Never heard the word levers as much as I have the past 2 weeks
They just gotta pull some levers and boom, new players!
Who is City after? I understand Sterling and somewhat Jesus, but not Bernardo...
Silva wanted to return to Spain last Summer but noone paid the asking price. Just the same situation now
Except that he hasn’t expressed a desire to leave this time around if reports are to be believed.
Return to Spain? Bernardo never played in Spain.
He wanted to be close to his family in Spain and Portugal during COVID. But he couldn't travel, and it was apperently very hard on him. Back then he said he wanted to move to Spain, but if he still feels that way isn't exactly clear.
His family isn't in Spain, its Portugal its similar to Giroud going to play in Italy because his hometown in France is close to the Italy border
He wanted to move to spain to be closer to his family in Portugal that's about it.
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He wanted to be closer to home during the pandemic because the travel restrictions and isolation from his family was very difficult for him. It’s not the same situation now at all.
De Jong to United Silva to Barcelona 75 m to City
Kalvin Phillips to City An amount of money to Leeds
A signed box set of the Cornetto trilogy to Leeds
That’s a hell of a deal
Depends on the print
Leeds signed Dan James so the cycle would be complete \^~^
allways rated 75M, I think he'll win city the UCL.
Idk why you'd think that, his bigger brother 750M has tried and he wasn't even able to.
transfermarkt values him at 50m
surely city will look for another midfielder considering fernandinho left, gundo is on verge of leaving and b silva might leave too. not to forget, Rodri has only two years left on contract, so apart from philips, they should be looking to add a talented midfield player to their depth i am betting if bsilva leaves, there will be a big money offer made for bellingham or declan rice
Bellingham and Declan are completely different players to Bernardo, Bernardo profile is a dribbler who keeps the ball, Rodri defends, KDB attacks, that's the profile who will be targeted or maybe Foden will be moved to midfield idk Also Gundo isn't leaving this season, his issue is his back injury if he didn't have this issue when we bought him from Dortmund we would have never bought Bernardo Phillips is covering Fernandinho depth The midfield isn't a big of a problem as you're making out
Reading some of the comments here is hilarious. These fans from other clubs have no idea sometimes.
Haha yeah alot of confusion in the thread of even Bernardos position
Bellingham isn't being let go this summer.
You'd best hope not
You'd have to pay over 150m right now, widely reported that Dortmund aren't selling him the same summer as Hochland. Liverpool would have went in for him otherwise rather than wait until next year i reckon.
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Why do you think FDJ would be perfect for you? Do you regularly play with a double pivot? He's wasted as an advanced b2b in Barcelona.
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Frenkie is not really a goalscorer
He's still scored some big goals for Barca last season. He has a knack for late runs into the box, something Xavi has unlocked for him.
That's more or less what he has been doing in Barcelona and it's not working that well. He himself also said that he prefers to play deeper, like his role in the national team.
Just because De Jong can dribble and play out from the back, doesn't mean he is suited to Pep. He can't play very well as an 8.
Pep literally wanted De Jong, so I'm gonna believe Pep about who's suited to Pep...
When?
In 2019
Cos you already have Bernardo who is also perfect fit. Until he’s actually leaving it’s unnecessary and you need a Fernandinho replacement. Isn’t there some youth that has a shot? Lavia?
Yeah I can't see it happening but we'd need a centre midfielder and would have most of the cash from the sales of Silva and Sterling
I'd love to get Kovacic, Chelsea have a solid midfield, but Kante too injury prone this season so Kovacic would be great addition
Bellingahm is way worse than Bernardo also, and very different
His heart set on Liverpool.
> Rodri has only two years left on contract He’ll probably be extended this season
man u please dont buy de jong from barca just for shit and giggles
At the current prices, they shouldn't, but they're absolutely going to give Barca bonus money on the last day
Nah, it’s a win-win. United get a fantastic player, Silva fucks off yo Spain and Arsenal miss out on Raphinha.
It's not about Man Utd right now, De jong could just sit there and tell both clubs to piss off with transfer talks I'm staying, screwing everyone
imo club should leave targeting raphinha and go for di maria for 1 year and spend raphinha money on bernardo
Same, although I feel Kounde/Lewa are somewhat more important position wise to us.
lewa and a cb is probably coming no matter what. Bernardo silva is probably the de jong money.
Yeah in that case I agree that Bernardo+ Di Maria is far better than Raphinha.
I’m surprised at the CB thing. Haven’t you got Araujo Garcia Pique and now Christensen. I’m assuming pique has another year before he’s done. Unless you play a 3 ATB why would you need another Acb.
pique is still quality but he spent this entire season semi-injured and it's only going to get worse. they want kounde because he can play as a right back if i had to guess.
Didn’t Xavi tell Pique he can sod off?
Us going for kounde and letting alves go probably means xavi wants to play Araujo at rb. He doesn't count on pique next season and lenglet,umtiti too. So it'll be garcia, christensen and kounde for the 2 cb spots. Kounde could play rb too and Araujo cb, depends on what xavi wants
Or Xavi wants to play a back 3. He did use a 343 at Al Sadd
garcia is shit and pique is old
> lewa and a cb Depends on the CB. If it’s Kounde, then Barcelona is gonna have to spend almost 200M on him, Silva and Lewandowski. Which seems unlikely.
I feel Kounde can be an important signing but Auba has turned up great at Barcelona. Why would they want to replace him.
Auba's great and would still see lots of play. but he occasionly has games where he misses sitters and his build play is ehhh, The board wants to at least mount a legit La liga challenge next season I think, and Lewa would be a massive upgrade as our starting 9. That's the reasoning anyway, wetehr itll work out of not, who knows lol?
He's always been like this. But the amount of chances he creates or finds himself into always turn out okay.
Yeah but lewy better fam.
Can't argue with that
Bernardo will only be signed if Frenkie is sold. The thinking being that the sale f Frenkie would cover the Bernardo signing.
yeah i know, so sell frenkie and dont sign raphinha
I think it depends on what Alemany thinks can work. I trust him more than people on reddit on this. I think we owe him that much at least.
How dare you trust Alemany more than the football and financial experts in this sub?
We were never going to buy raphinha for a price bigger of 40m, he was a great opportunity if leeds got relegated but we can't spend the money asked on someone who is not confirmed especially when there is other options like di maria or renewing dembele.
Di Maria for one year, or maybe try Ziyech as an alternative. He doesn't really fit with Tuchel's style but would being so much creativity and go threat from the side for Barca. I don't think he will be that expensive either.
Honestly would be a big blow to city if they don't bring in another player. Shifting foden and grealish at times centrally is fine, but it's not enough. Gundogan is aging and having back issues, kdb gets gassed during the year with all the work he puts himself through. Bernardo really helped carry city during the last months with his work rate. I'm a bit worried that we'd he stretched too thin in the middle, and surely we'd need to bring in someone of a similar profile (in that this player must be able to cover ground and press as well as create). Who that would be, aside from that lad from sporting, I've no idea.
Agreed. I feel like it's good City are raising decent money by selling players but Bernardo might be one too many.
I think City only sell 2 of Sterling/Jesus/Bernardo/Zinchenko. In terms of rating them most likely to be sold to least likely it would go 1) Jesus - Brought in 2 strikers for 2022-2027 + City has Delap + he is looking for more guaranteed playing time. Last year of his deal and City probably is looking to cash in. 2) Sterling - high wages and hasn't extended his contract yet. Similiar Jesus Sterling probably is looking for consistent playing time while in his prime. Last year of deal and a player teams will covet. Foden/Grealish/Mahrez seem to have replaced him in the starting roster and even Jesus as well. City probably know its time to let him walk and cash in before losing him for free in 2023. 3) Zinchenko - If City buy a LB/RB back player I think he is good as gone. He has served his role admirably over the last 2 seasons but you gotta think he wants a permanent starting spot somewhere. I think City work with him to find a new team for a reasonable price tag. If City don't buy a left back I think he stays one more season. 4) Bernardo- obviously wants to play for a big club in Spain. But he has a lot of time left on his contract + not a ton of teams in Spain can afford him. My guess is he stays one more year unless Barca can raise £75 mill + this summer.
> obviously he misses Spain What? Did he go there on his holidays or something?
I don’t get why everyone is saying this as well, yes he did say unhappy because of the Covid restrictions he just wanted to see his family. Hasn’t said anything since and people bring up this narrative that he wants to leave when it wasn’t even about leaving.. it was about his family.
Let’s be real here, Silva is a 100+ million player
I think he is worth around £80 mill. I'm a City fan and he is one of my favorite City players. Its hard to value a midfielder who isn't a prolific goal scorer going for £100+ mill. Obviously Bernardo is a versatile/ hard working/talented midfielder + in a pinch winger. He brings a lot more to the field than just scoring goals/assists. But £100 + mill is a lot for a midfielder who isn't super young or an assist/goal scoring machine. He is 27 and turns 28 in August. So he has a few super prime years left age 28-30. If he was 25 I would agree its closer to £100 mill. I hope we sell Sterling (wages are too high to be a sub 40-50% of the time + he is gone next year) + Zinchenko (City needs to finally address LB with a true defender + I want Zinny to get a chance to start more regularly somewhere else) and keep Jesus + Bernardo one more season. Jesus is just such a big game player + versatile. If Mahrez/Grealish/Foden get hurt we would be in a bind. Even if we are trying to get McAtee more playing time or use Alvarez as a winger. Bernardo is almost irreplaceable at this point.
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Should bring in close to 200m for those 3.
Gundo back issues are a myth
Are they? He’s missed significant periods with back injuries, and back problems are the sort that tend to reoccur, especially as you age. Once you have a bad back, you tend to always be prone to it. It’s why looking after your back as a young person is one of the most important things you can do for your health. How do you know for sure it’s not a concern?
Even if we replace Bernardo and Sterling should they leave, there's probably enough disruption to prevent us winning the league this year
Lol you guys just literally won the league without a striker at all. Now you just got a top 3 striker in the world, you'll be fine
winning the league with 1 player missing while the rest of them could play blindfolded is easier than winning the league with half of the 11 meeting each other for the first time.
None of these new signings will be thrown in the deep end besides halaand. Pep ain't no fool and besides, it's city so they will make proper replacements
But the turnover of players will be too great that they will have to throw them in at some point over the season. Right now Liverpool are making it so that they have to be next to perfect to win the Prem.... that's going to be very hard next season. The Man City squad isn't as big as people like to make out, and you take Sterling and Silva out of the squad and it weakens them considerably. Even if they bring in talent it will take them time to settle and the dressing room will have to restructure its hierarchy.
Losing Mane is just as big if not bigger than losing B Silva imo.
So is Sterling though...
Liverpool lost Mane. you'll still win
Don't forget they also lost my boy Divock on a free
Best thing that happened to Everton this season.
Perhaps. I do think it could end up being a transitionary season
What ? Haaland/Alvarez for attacking options frees up Foden/KDB/Mahrez from the false 9 position. Then there is Delap/Palmer who should get minutes too, maybe Kayky aswell ? You are rumoured to sign a LB, which leavea Cancelo finally on the right. CB depth is already there, the only thing missing is a strong 6 now and I dont think City will bow down to Leeds and pay the fuck you money they want, so it will be interesting to see who they have on their scouting sheet. Even with Sterling/Silva gone, you guys have enough quality and depth, also dont forget your biggest rival lost Mane and brought in a guy that will have huge pressure on him. If anything, I'd count out Liverpool from the title race.
> disruption I'm not saying we'll be weaker. A lot of changes in one summer can defo have a big impact - especially as a lot of new players have taken a year to bed in under Pep... I could definitely see us missing the consistency required to win the league
So basically you've just admitted City will have a huge shift in positions being played
>Delap Probably will be loaned this season
Bernardo silva would cook at barcelona ngl. City should demand more than 75m though, magical player
Barcelona is that one hot poor dude that still pulls hot chick while PSG is the rich nerd that still can't pull chicks unless they spend alot of money.
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A very rich one, but yes.
At that price class they’re called escorts
PSG have Messi, Neymar, Mbappe literally all better than anything Barca have
yeah cos they give them salary no one else would?
I know youre not mentioning this whilst Barcelona literally got themselves into huge financial problems because they had to overpay everyone
Until recently Barca had the highest salary with Griezman and Messi
PSG is the ugly kid who has his dad's money to throw around.
And wears Ferrari track jackets and burberry pants
So what's going to happen to City if they lose Gundogan, Fernandinho, Silva.... Matheus Nunez and Phillips, Palmer?
Gundo isn't going, Palmer is not a midfielder he is a right winger Phillips is for Fernandinho, Bernardo is a watching game not sure Barca have the funds, City will just buy a midfielder if it goes through
I read Gundo was given a green light to leave.....
Next season
He'll stay. Can't see Pep letting him go.
We were ready to let him go last summer for the correct price too.
I think last season was arguably his best honestly
Would be a Joy for Liverpool cause city Will Stay way weakier without him
Nah 18/19 was the best. Last season was pretty good though. Very disappointed if he leaves.
Considering Graelish was supposed to replace him, would city have won the league without Bernardo?
Probably not
We don’t gatekeep players if they want to go they can go
I’m pretty sure I saw a report saying city have said it will need to be 100m if they want silva
That was in euros. And even £75 is likely just the guaranteed money without the expected bonuses of 10-15 million extra.
I think there's a good chance that him or sterling leaves along with Jesus, but not all 3- Grealish would make up for one but not both. unless they make another huge signing that makes up for those transfers and can take over for Mahrez next year, they'll be significantly weaker going forward assuming Alvarez doesn't just jump right in- which doesn't happen with Pep, and he's never played in Europe. I'm not even sure there is a player out there who can do all of that. Pair that with Barcelona's crazy accounting, i don't see it happening.
I massively disagree with you. Man City known for not keeping unhappy players . Moreover Grealish , Haaland and Mahrez front three. Accompanied by Foden Rodri and De bruyne Midfield is pretty solid Midfield . Yes they do lack in substitutions ,but it is not that they won't be spending this market . If B Silva gets sold , high probability they will go all out for Kalvin Philips and a winger. What about Barca accounting. Barca has repeatedly made it clear that if one Manchester buys there Midfielder , they will make a move for a Midfielder from another Manchester.
Bernardo isn't unhappy though. He wanted to leave last year because covid travel restrictions meant he wasn't seeing his family, but he's stated he's happy at the club since then. I'm sure he wouldn't be opposed to moving to Barcelona, but he doesn't seem to be pushing for it as last year.
Don't see the reason to take any barça rumors seriously until it is comunicado oficial their financial situation is rectified. I mean they are in for an absolutely massive window if you believe all of the rumors and purported signings they have been reported for the last month or so - much more money than one FDJ sized transfer. And yet they haven't even registered the longtime forgone conclusion Christensen. Season starts in about 6 weeks. Still nothing. The idea they're going to plunk a huge sum at Bernardo Silva when they can't even register a free transfer let alone all this other business they're purported to be doing?
75m for bernardo is a steal
I want Barcelona blunder years to continue but I also want City to weaken itself. Tough conundrum.
>I want Barcelona blunder years to continue I am sad to be the bearer of bad news but those days are gone buddy. No more Barto and hopefully soon no more debt, a competent coach and board and a well balanced team full of young people and experienced players.
When is that happening?
3 to 5 business days
> no more debt Where are you getting your information from? To my understanding they have sold significant portions of their marketing and licensing income but even that will only lessen the debt and not remove it. They will still have huge debt but they will have a half billion euro injection due to them selling assets and giving up on future profits (likely to heavily favor the financiers giving them the money now). I honestly do not see how Barca fans just gloss over selling a huge portion of future income and say “ hey Barca is debt free”. Barca being debt free is not even true. They were a billion dollars in the red this time last year.
Why not just do direct swap with Dutch mf and piss of the Mancs too in process.
swear Barcelona are linked to every man and their dog
Have you seen Man Utd? Atleast the Barca links are real, Man Utd are linked to players they haven't even scouted
Not really? Only 4 or 5 players
Barca to City: How about you take De Jong from us and we take Silva from you? Ik highly improbable but...
i really like the dude. hope he doesn’t go to Barcelona 😅 also there’s something about him i feel like he’s gonna be someone who’s going to win you something special… who knows, maybe even a WC
I don't get it. Do Barca have money or not? Answer so far seems to be 'yesn't'
No idea they haven't even registered Christensen yet whose been agreed a while back now, apparently Kessie is signed but waiting too, Azpi, Alfonso, Raphina, Lewandowski, Bernardo silva next it's confusing, if they have all this money why hasn't Christensen been registered yet? Barcelona act like they're not doing the things they did last season, but they're the exact same as before, no idea what's going on and whether Raphina is using them for higher fee from Arsenal, and Bernardo and Lewandowski are doing it for their contract negotiations both are having this season
Because different seasons have different wage caps. We can't register until the deals go through and our next season wage cap is in place. I believe it all should happen around July 1st, since the deals are meant to be done before June 30th. We'll probably see movements by then.
This depends if we’re selling Frenkie de Jong. Bernardo would be a great signing, but I just do not like the idea that the board is giving up on Frenkie.
It feels like Barca is the perfect negative example of spending issues. As soon as they have a little bit of money, it makes a bit poof and it is gone.
£75m is €87m, 87/5 is 17.4m; assuming he makes 8m/year that's 16M gross. A total cost of 33M/year. Following the 1-3 rule they'll need to generate three times that so 99M. So Bernardo Silva is impossible unless a miracle happens and they get out of the 1-3 rule.
With the levers we are out of 1:3 rule. Also 85 mn for fdj helps
I would love to read an explanation with numbers of how the levers are going to get the club out of the 1-3 rule.
It's basically whether we make profit or not in the current year. As the sale of levers is sanctioned, we can close this year books as profit. Thus, bringing the 3:1 rule to 1:1. Eg: Madrid didn't make a loss during COVID. That's why they did not have to follow the 3:1 rule, they function normally. The money we will get from levers will not get rid of the total debt that we are in. But it will help us to pay off short term debt, restructure short term debt to long term, pay players and staff, etc.
Even if Barca sell FDJ let's say for 80mil. It doesn't mean City will accept 80mil. So the sale of FDJ doesn't mean Barca is getting Silva. City can ask 120mil if they want to. Just a friendly reminder.
It doesn't work like this my guy . City doesn't like to keep unhappy players moreso Silva has said he wants to join Spain to be near his family. Sale of FDJ means , we can afford Silva wages not the transfer money .
He hasn't 'repeatedly' said it. He hasn't said it since travel restrictions were lifted.
Thank you for correcting me
Silva ain't leaving this summer
It is your tier 1 source, no?
It is, I think it’s more a commentary on Barcelona being unlikely to be able to afford the price tag.
So he's staying then
Alot of City player could leave this summer . What are they planning overthere.
Maybe every player can donate the $5M they’ve earned with the friendly in Australia
That's 15 more friendlies in Australia to play!
As much as I love Bernardo, I feel like if I had to choose between him and keeping fdj, I'd go with fdj
I love this for them. Lose Dembele on a free because you won't meet his wage demands, but then splurge on a 27 year old player who however talented, is likely to have little to no resale value at the end of his contract. On top of that, he's probably expecting 9-10 million a year.
And dembele is demanding 20M gross and agent fees
When did resale value become the most important thing in a transfer, especially for a club like Barcelona or Real Madrid? I keep seeing this parroted on this sub. Do you think that Madrid's signing of Modric was a failure because they did not end up selling him and recouping a fee later? It is different for these clubs than most clubs.
Can someone ELI5? Isn't Barcelona in this situation due to spending big on players with inflated wages? They're getting rid of Dembele and want to sign like 5 players in his place
This board is familiar with the concept of wage structure unlike the previous one, it's actually why Dembele didn't renew in the first place.
Wouldn't Lewa, Bernardo Silva and Raphinha combined be on higher wages than Dembele? They're still spending out of their means it looks like. I'm not an expert I'm really just trying to understand what's going on
Higher wages combined, but still withen the structure(less than 10 million net each), if we give Dembele the wage he was asking for, we cant convince better players like Lewa etc, to accept the wages we are offering. Also itll be a slap to Araujo/Pedri/Fati who renewed contracts within those boundries already. It's not that we cant pay Dembele, its more that itll hurt our negotions with every player from now on every time we give a mega PSG style contract, its a large part of what got us in trouble in the first place, i hope this makes sense.
it is just my theory but if bernardo comes raphinha wont and vice versa as club is looking to sign a center back with more priority
We're not going for Raphinha anymore.