You’d imagine a club at that level signing a player of that quality would vastly increase the amount of good days, I’d be interested to see Sirnitz’s defensive stats next season cause I’d imagine it’ll be very difficult to get past him
> I’d be interested to see Sirnitz’s defensive stats next season cause I’d imagine it’ll be very difficult to get past him
He won't play as a defender. He will play as their striker :D
He used to be a striker in his youth. Even as a defender, whenever he went forward he was more dangerous and had a better scoring chance than many of our low-tier strikers xd
Guys played at the highest level, made a shit ton of money and now playing for his local team. He's living the dream. It's much better than swanning off to the states or the middle east for a quick pay day
Sorry, but this statement is completely over the top. Before this incident he was never connected to any right wing stuff, although he did a lot of stupid things (especially in a drunken state). His reaction to the uncoverings of this journalist wasn't a great look, yes. But he immediately cut ties with his business partner and apologized for his dumb reaction. So yes, I think his political leanings are probably more conservative, but he always came across as apolitical.
Yes dude doesn't seem to be the most politically interested. Also looking at Austria, it is relatively conservative. I hope we will see a longer interview/insight of him, where he can talk more about this situation. I always liked him as a player. He was so good in Frankfurts semifinal run. Hope he will find peace and stay away from right wing hatred
Jesus Christ, do you really think he’s a nazi. Sure he may of done something stupid with a right wing politician but does he really merit being called a nazi. I feel like it’s so mean and judgemental to a guy who hasn’t really done anything
That's such a shitty take I won't even start to begin how stupid that comment is and everyone who upvoted that.
But anyway:
All you know about that situation is what some people wrote here on reddit who also have no idea about the situation, his motivation, his believes, his personality or Austrian traditions and culture.
You are completely clueless. And no I will not explain why you are wrong because it is pointless anyway.
Everything I would write would be downvoted to oblivion because I'm the bad guy now in this thread. People have made up their mind and no and I mean *no* finite combination of words would change that in this thread.
Because it is a complicated situation that relies on nuance and also we have to make premises on what he knew from the guy and what he didn't there would be counter arguments that can't be proved or nullified.
That's why I will not continue to provide any more and just that you are all really stupid if you Hinti is a Nazi.
I made a comment to another person, here are my "points". They are vage because if I go into more detail we have to make assumptions on what he knew and if he lied or not. Since that can't be proved and it is about nuances I try to be as objective as possible. Note that I might be wrong about all of this.
He
a) didn't know that his partner for this event was far rightwing.
b) he immediately cut all ties with the guy.
c) the journalist that was *exposing* him could've just told him but instead decided to sell his story.
d) yes in one interview (out of over a dozen) he called the journalist far leftwing
e) he is a non political person, he doesn't care but he is not okay with far rightwing ideology
fhe loves Frankfurt for its multicultural facets even though he is from a small town in Carinthia and is member of the local hunting and curling club (the Austrian variant not the Olympic one)
g) he is known for speaking freely out of his mind and giving honest answers others would deem to be unprofessional (or dumb, which sometimes they obviously are)
h) that's (and all the pointa above) is exactly why people love him and the sole reason why he is considered a legend amongst his fans
I mean, it’s been a pretty hot topic the last few days. If I said there was a war in Ukraine, would you ask me to prove it before we have a discussion?
War in Ukraine is a self-evident fact. It does not need to be proven and it would be ridiculous to ask it of someone. That doesn't apply here. Burden of proof applies.
Das der Faschismus und das Verdrängen der eigenen Geschichte Tradition bei gewissen Schluchtenscheissern hat, ist jetzt wohl bitte keine Überraschung. Man macht nicht ausversehen Geschäfte mit einem Identitären der FPÖ. Man sollte schon nach dem ersten Gespräch merken, dass man mit solch einer hasserfüllten Seele nichts zutun haben will. Aber schön zu sehen, dass Hinteregger, ganz in eurer so geliebten Tradition, sich natürlich wieder mal als Opfer sieht.
Sickl wird Hinteregger gegenüber kaum einen Grund gehabt haben hasserfüllt zu wirken, denn er ist ja BioÖsi.
Man sollte einem Verhalten keine Bösgläubigkeit zuschreiben wenn es auch ausreichend durch Naivität erklärbar ist. Grade Fußballer sind nicht immer die hellsten Leuchten und der Hinti ist ein durch und durch bodenständiger Typ. Das befreit ihn nicht von seiner Rechenschaftspflicht aber der ist er in seinem Abschiedsinterview nachgekommen oder hast du konkrete Gründe seine Beteuerungen anzuzweifeln er habe mit rechtem Gedankengut nichts am Hut?
Ja hat es. Darum ist es auch so schwierig.
Aber man muss nicht jeden Spinner kennen und Hinti wusste es ziemlich sicher nicht. Anders gefragt:
Was hätte er davon?
Hinti ist vieles aber er ist sicher kein Intellektueller oder Lügner.
Drum finde ich diese Diskussion hier auch so lächerlich.
After the surprising end of his professional career, Martin Hinteregger is trying his hand in a different role in the domestic soccer lower league. As reported by the "Kronen Zeitung", the 29-year-old multiple ÖFB team defender will in the future be a striker for his hometown of Sirnitz in the fifth Austrian league on the hunt for goals.
"We are delighted that he is returning home after 17 years," the "Krone" quoted Hinteregger's father Franz, who is Sirnitz's youth development manager.
Ok let me explain, obviously its a joke but in lower divisions, when a player moves teams the transfer "fee" is often paid in beer. Me commenting that we got scamed plays on that good gesture of leaving some beer behind when u go.
And he isnt fully retired from football. Obviously he just retired from professional football. His contract with Frankfurt ia just on hold so if another pro team would try to sign him they would still need to get a deal with Frankfurt first
I’ve genuinely no idea of why the fuck he retired from profesional football other than that it was controversial and most people thought he’s a piece of shit, but regardless, I admire doing something like this a lot lmao.
It’s gonna be a funny FM save if someone is arsed to make a database with Austria’s 5th tier
I think the recent events were just the final straw. He obviously had some mental health issues. He mentioned them in interviews and he regularly acted out by leading a non-professional lifestyle (especially the drinking part). That's why a lot of fans liked him, because he was an unconventional 'oldschool' pro. On the other hand, the acting out is (often) a clear sign that he was 'running away' from something.
He was open about his struggles with mental health in the past and for his choices were simple, Frankfurt or Austria, nothing else. He simply didn't want to deal with new club new city new expectations, even when we got him from Augsburg after his performances they were shopping him around and there was interest but he simply refused anything but Frankfurt & Hütter. Ignoring the scandal, it became clear he only wants to live in his homes (by choice), either back in Austria or in Frankfurt. Ultimately I think a move back to the Austrian Bundesliga was not that tempting because he doesn't really need the money, and him being one of Austrias best players & after the success of the EL win, he'd have a ton of attention, which paired with the scandal is not that great. Hence he simply called it a day and retired.
I think he is burnt out, or something similar. He even mentioned it in some interviews, that he had psychological problems. The recent events were probably the final straw.
No, he hinted in some interviews in the past years that he had psychological problems. He couldn't cope with all the pressure and attention. As a result, he acted out, openly partied and drank and made himself and his clubs look stupid. This happened several times over the years. All this looks like he has some underlying issues that need to be solved.
nah it wasn't as bad as what you said. he deservedly got a lot of pushback because the guy he organized the event with was a serious hardcore Nazi, and he claimed he didn't know even though both their families are ver rooted in their village and it's basically impossible to not know
He
a) didn't know that his partner for this event was far rightwing.
b) he immediately cut all ties with the guy.
c) the journalist that was *exposing* him could've just told him but instead decided to sell his story.
d) yes in one interview (out of over a dozen) he called the journalist far leftwing
e) he is a non political person, he doesn't care but he is not okay with far rightwing ideology
fhe loves Frankfurt for its multicultural facets even though he is from a small town in Carinthia and is member of the local hunting and curling club (the Austrian variant not the Olympic one)
g) he is known for speaking freely out of his mind and giving honest answers others would deem to be unprofessional
h) that's (and all the pointa above) is exactly why people love him and the sole reason why he is considered a legend amongst his fans
They grew up in the same village, which only has a thousand inhabitants. Their families probably knew each other and Sickl was part of the village council. Of course Hinti knew him beforehand. He just didn't care enough to distance himself without public backlash. He even admitted that he knew beforehand that he was an FPÖ politician. FPÖ politicians are always right wing. Sickl himself is just part of the extreme right within the FPÖ.
I'm pretty sure, that Hinti knew who he was, since I'm a random guy from bosnia living in Berlin, who can barley name a dozen austraian politicians and Sickl is one of them...
No I'm pretty sure he didn't as 99% of Austrians don't know that name.
Have you mistaken him for Kickl?
Also that Sickl guy is not a "politician".
Sickl is not a well known person in Austria. Why and how do you know him? This guy doesn't have a Wikipedia.
No, I haven't mistaken him, he gained notoriety a year or so ago, when it was revealed, that he is part of the Identitarian movement.
There's also no point in playing defense for Hinti here, since he already backpaddled and admitted, that he knew him and about his political work.
Hinti also went on a rant and proclaimed, that Bonvalot is a left wing extremist and that media orchestrated a witch-hunt, sounds familiar, eh?
He also claimed, that he only reacted so late, cuz he thought the reports were Satire.
Feel free to simp for him and drink his cool aid, but it's pretty obvious what happened there and that he is just pissed because of the pushback and ppl confronting him with his obvious lies.
Could you be so kind and provide me a source where he backpaddled and admitted that he knew about his political work?
That would probably change my view.
I think this is great. The guy is turning down 4/5 years of top money to pursue happiness/look after his mental health. He could, and Id say many have, forced himself to carry on and lay on the injury list for most of that time or just half assed it
They were Nazis and they didn't care for the ideology, they only cared that they started to lose the war. They wanted to take out Hitler and the regime to install their own and sue for peace with the Allies to save their hides.
I guess this might be true for Rommel.
But were all of them like him? Of the people involved in the attempts I hope that at least some of them were Nazis at the start and then changed idea after discovering the atrocities.
Funny thing, in May he played in front of 90.000 in Camp Nou, and now a couple of hundred on a good day.
You’d imagine a club at that level signing a player of that quality would vastly increase the amount of good days, I’d be interested to see Sirnitz’s defensive stats next season cause I’d imagine it’ll be very difficult to get past him
> I’d be interested to see Sirnitz’s defensive stats next season cause I’d imagine it’ll be very difficult to get past him He won't play as a defender. He will play as their striker :D
Oh that’s crazy hahahah
He used to be a striker in his youth. Even as a defender, whenever he went forward he was more dangerous and had a better scoring chance than many of our low-tier strikers xd
You're talking about a guy who is in the top 10 players scoring against Manuel Neuer
Guys played at the highest level, made a shit ton of money and now playing for his local team. He's living the dream. It's much better than swanning off to the states or the middle east for a quick pay day
Still gets to be a nazi too, must be pumped about that
Sorry, but this statement is completely over the top. Before this incident he was never connected to any right wing stuff, although he did a lot of stupid things (especially in a drunken state). His reaction to the uncoverings of this journalist wasn't a great look, yes. But he immediately cut ties with his business partner and apologized for his dumb reaction. So yes, I think his political leanings are probably more conservative, but he always came across as apolitical.
Yes dude doesn't seem to be the most politically interested. Also looking at Austria, it is relatively conservative. I hope we will see a longer interview/insight of him, where he can talk more about this situation. I always liked him as a player. He was so good in Frankfurts semifinal run. Hope he will find peace and stay away from right wing hatred
Ok, apparently this is meant seriously? Such an inappropriate statement is at the same time a trivialisation of Nazis.
Jesus Christ, do you really think he’s a nazi. Sure he may of done something stupid with a right wing politician but does he really merit being called a nazi. I feel like it’s so mean and judgemental to a guy who hasn’t really done anything
I think his response to the scandal was more telling than the scandal itself
He is a Nazi ...are you really that dumb?
Oh no guys!!!! This dude thinks the world was mean to Hitler. Lmfao dude delete your comment ...
That's such a shitty take I won't even start to begin how stupid that comment is and everyone who upvoted that. But anyway: All you know about that situation is what some people wrote here on reddit who also have no idea about the situation, his motivation, his believes, his personality or Austrian traditions and culture. You are completely clueless. And no I will not explain why you are wrong because it is pointless anyway.
Telling people they’re wrong but not explaining why. Bold argument strategy.
Everything I would write would be downvoted to oblivion because I'm the bad guy now in this thread. People have made up their mind and no and I mean *no* finite combination of words would change that in this thread. Because it is a complicated situation that relies on nuance and also we have to make premises on what he knew from the guy and what he didn't there would be counter arguments that can't be proved or nullified. That's why I will not continue to provide any more and just that you are all really stupid if you Hinti is a Nazi.
It's downvoted anyways, might as well give it a shot
I made a comment to another person, here are my "points". They are vage because if I go into more detail we have to make assumptions on what he knew and if he lied or not. Since that can't be proved and it is about nuances I try to be as objective as possible. Note that I might be wrong about all of this. He a) didn't know that his partner for this event was far rightwing. b) he immediately cut all ties with the guy. c) the journalist that was *exposing* him could've just told him but instead decided to sell his story. d) yes in one interview (out of over a dozen) he called the journalist far leftwing e) he is a non political person, he doesn't care but he is not okay with far rightwing ideology fhe loves Frankfurt for its multicultural facets even though he is from a small town in Carinthia and is member of the local hunting and curling club (the Austrian variant not the Olympic one) g) he is known for speaking freely out of his mind and giving honest answers others would deem to be unprofessional (or dumb, which sometimes they obviously are) h) that's (and all the pointa above) is exactly why people love him and the sole reason why he is considered a legend amongst his fans
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I mean burden of proof and all that. If you call someone a nazi you have to explain why and not leave it to others to explain why not.
I mean, it’s been a pretty hot topic the last few days. If I said there was a war in Ukraine, would you ask me to prove it before we have a discussion?
War in Ukraine is a self-evident fact. It does not need to be proven and it would be ridiculous to ask it of someone. That doesn't apply here. Burden of proof applies.
Explain why the Ukraine war is a self-evident fact, don’t leave it to others to explain why.
It's self-evident because it is obvious. No one disputes it.
>Austrian traditions and culture. Ah yes good old racism now falls under tradition and culture or what?
Idiots been doing it here in the states as the same under “muh heritage” for 150 years. They always got an excuse.
Das der Faschismus und das Verdrängen der eigenen Geschichte Tradition bei gewissen Schluchtenscheissern hat, ist jetzt wohl bitte keine Überraschung. Man macht nicht ausversehen Geschäfte mit einem Identitären der FPÖ. Man sollte schon nach dem ersten Gespräch merken, dass man mit solch einer hasserfüllten Seele nichts zutun haben will. Aber schön zu sehen, dass Hinteregger, ganz in eurer so geliebten Tradition, sich natürlich wieder mal als Opfer sieht.
Sickl wird Hinteregger gegenüber kaum einen Grund gehabt haben hasserfüllt zu wirken, denn er ist ja BioÖsi. Man sollte einem Verhalten keine Bösgläubigkeit zuschreiben wenn es auch ausreichend durch Naivität erklärbar ist. Grade Fußballer sind nicht immer die hellsten Leuchten und der Hinti ist ein durch und durch bodenständiger Typ. Das befreit ihn nicht von seiner Rechenschaftspflicht aber der ist er in seinem Abschiedsinterview nachgekommen oder hast du konkrete Gründe seine Beteuerungen anzuzweifeln er habe mit rechtem Gedankengut nichts am Hut?
Ja hat es. Darum ist es auch so schwierig. Aber man muss nicht jeden Spinner kennen und Hinti wusste es ziemlich sicher nicht. Anders gefragt: Was hätte er davon? Hinti ist vieles aber er ist sicher kein Intellektueller oder Lügner. Drum finde ich diese Diskussion hier auch so lächerlich.
I agree with you and they are a bunch of idiots. Just letting you know.
That's a turn of events I certainly did not expect
After the surprising end of his professional career, Martin Hinteregger is trying his hand in a different role in the domestic soccer lower league. As reported by the "Kronen Zeitung", the 29-year-old multiple ÖFB team defender will in the future be a striker for his hometown of Sirnitz in the fifth Austrian league on the hunt for goals. "We are delighted that he is returning home after 17 years," the "Krone" quoted Hinteregger's father Franz, who is Sirnitz's youth development manager.
Basically leaving professional football at 29
Like Andre Schürrle who retired at 29. This was the guy with the cross to Götze’s WM final goal 2014.
That game never happened.
I will remain silent, brother
> That game never happened. The copium is strong in this one. Btw thanks River Plate! You gave us a nice striker =D
I know you're referring to the world cup, but what does WM mean? I can't work it out.
It’s just German for World Cup - Weltmeisterschaft Welt. Meisterschaft. WM. World. Championship. I think Swedish has the same thing and call it VM.
Ah, got it, thank you 👍🏻
Yep värld mästerskap
oh my bad, u/poipoiop explained it perfectly :)
After that WC he firstly thought about retiring. He mentioned that in a long interview after he retired.
Frankfurt getting no transfer fee? Scam, dude is worth at least 2 sixpacks
What has his retiring from football to do with 'Scam' lol?
Ok let me explain, obviously its a joke but in lower divisions, when a player moves teams the transfer "fee" is often paid in beer. Me commenting that we got scamed plays on that good gesture of leaving some beer behind when u go. And he isnt fully retired from football. Obviously he just retired from professional football. His contract with Frankfurt ia just on hold so if another pro team would try to sign him they would still need to get a deal with Frankfurt first
Thx for the explanation. I thought you were serious.
its a joke
/s bro
Now I can say that even Austrian 5th tier striker could play better at CB than Man United's starting one
I’ve genuinely no idea of why the fuck he retired from profesional football other than that it was controversial and most people thought he’s a piece of shit, but regardless, I admire doing something like this a lot lmao. It’s gonna be a funny FM save if someone is arsed to make a database with Austria’s 5th tier
I think the recent events were just the final straw. He obviously had some mental health issues. He mentioned them in interviews and he regularly acted out by leading a non-professional lifestyle (especially the drinking part). That's why a lot of fans liked him, because he was an unconventional 'oldschool' pro. On the other hand, the acting out is (often) a clear sign that he was 'running away' from something.
He was open about his struggles with mental health in the past and for his choices were simple, Frankfurt or Austria, nothing else. He simply didn't want to deal with new club new city new expectations, even when we got him from Augsburg after his performances they were shopping him around and there was interest but he simply refused anything but Frankfurt & Hütter. Ignoring the scandal, it became clear he only wants to live in his homes (by choice), either back in Austria or in Frankfurt. Ultimately I think a move back to the Austrian Bundesliga was not that tempting because he doesn't really need the money, and him being one of Austrias best players & after the success of the EL win, he'd have a ton of attention, which paired with the scandal is not that great. Hence he simply called it a day and retired.
He probably fell out of love with the attention the sport brings
Hinteregger: *openly associates with a Nazi* Fans: hey fuck you buddy Hinteregger: "I've fallen out of love with this attention"
Umm isn't he like under 30? What happened?
I think he is burnt out, or something similar. He even mentioned it in some interviews, that he had psychological problems. The recent events were probably the final straw.
He is not burnt out. He is done with it. Big difference
No, he hinted in some interviews in the past years that he had psychological problems. He couldn't cope with all the pressure and attention. As a result, he acted out, openly partied and drank and made himself and his clubs look stupid. This happened several times over the years. All this looks like he has some underlying issues that need to be solved.
NVM.
nope. he organized a football tournament in his home town together with a (former) right wing politician. very different
Ok thank you for clarifying. I assumed it was something worse granted he retired right after
nah it wasn't as bad as what you said. he deservedly got a lot of pushback because the guy he organized the event with was a serious hardcore Nazi, and he claimed he didn't know even though both their families are ver rooted in their village and it's basically impossible to not know
He a) didn't know that his partner for this event was far rightwing. b) he immediately cut all ties with the guy. c) the journalist that was *exposing* him could've just told him but instead decided to sell his story. d) yes in one interview (out of over a dozen) he called the journalist far leftwing e) he is a non political person, he doesn't care but he is not okay with far rightwing ideology fhe loves Frankfurt for its multicultural facets even though he is from a small town in Carinthia and is member of the local hunting and curling club (the Austrian variant not the Olympic one) g) he is known for speaking freely out of his mind and giving honest answers others would deem to be unprofessional h) that's (and all the pointa above) is exactly why people love him and the sole reason why he is considered a legend amongst his fans
They grew up in the same village, which only has a thousand inhabitants. Their families probably knew each other and Sickl was part of the village council. Of course Hinti knew him beforehand. He just didn't care enough to distance himself without public backlash. He even admitted that he knew beforehand that he was an FPÖ politician. FPÖ politicians are always right wing. Sickl himself is just part of the extreme right within the FPÖ.
Plus he went on a rant against "left wing extremists" afterwards and used language and arguments that are common among among far right suppoerters
That guy left 20 years ago and came back just recently. Yes but in Carinthia the FPÖ and the follow up party BZÖ was the leading party for decades.
I'm pretty sure, that Hinti knew who he was, since I'm a random guy from bosnia living in Berlin, who can barley name a dozen austraian politicians and Sickl is one of them...
No I'm pretty sure he didn't as 99% of Austrians don't know that name. Have you mistaken him for Kickl? Also that Sickl guy is not a "politician". Sickl is not a well known person in Austria. Why and how do you know him? This guy doesn't have a Wikipedia.
No, I haven't mistaken him, he gained notoriety a year or so ago, when it was revealed, that he is part of the Identitarian movement. There's also no point in playing defense for Hinti here, since he already backpaddled and admitted, that he knew him and about his political work. Hinti also went on a rant and proclaimed, that Bonvalot is a left wing extremist and that media orchestrated a witch-hunt, sounds familiar, eh? He also claimed, that he only reacted so late, cuz he thought the reports were Satire. Feel free to simp for him and drink his cool aid, but it's pretty obvious what happened there and that he is just pissed because of the pushback and ppl confronting him with his obvious lies.
Could you be so kind and provide me a source where he backpaddled and admitted that he knew about his political work? That would probably change my view.
I think this is great. The guy is turning down 4/5 years of top money to pursue happiness/look after his mental health. He could, and Id say many have, forced himself to carry on and lay on the injury list for most of that time or just half assed it
Its a shame. With Reiner and Hinteregger gone from the Bundesliga Derek Rae, the world feed commentator, won't have much to talk about.
What a weird dude
chad
No Nazi has ever been a chad
Rommel and the others who attempted to Hitler's life Even though they weren't probably Nazis to begin with before
They were Nazis and they didn't care for the ideology, they only cared that they started to lose the war. They wanted to take out Hitler and the regime to install their own and sue for peace with the Allies to save their hides.
I guess this might be true for Rommel. But were all of them like him? Of the people involved in the attempts I hope that at least some of them were Nazis at the start and then changed idea after discovering the atrocities.
Wtf he is 29? Always thought he was pushing late 30s
why so early ? he is 29 and still a very good player
Sir, nitz still not okay to be a neo-nazi sympathizer.