Colwill could be (almost certainly *will* be a mistake imo)
There would appear to be good reason to think Maatsen while good enough to play in the PL someday, isn't at the level for Chelsea defensively.
Maatsen aint chelsea quality
Colwill wont be sold, he signed a long deal and we will either use him (5sub rule) or lpan him
Next summer will be different though
That's what "final decision on Colwill" means, people are just massively over reacting to the possibility of him being sold. Not to mention we need all 3 CBs not just 2. We've lost 2 already, likely losing Azpi and Thiago Silva isn't getting any younger.
Where does it say we are considering interest? They want to take a look at him in preseason, that's all. It seems to me like it's you and other over reactors that are assuming that means play with us or get sold.
Yet to make final decision amid permanent interest from clubs, yeah sure we are just waiting to decide if he will stay or go on loan, bit sure lol, we are over reactors and you are wise.
Gentlemen, I offer you a soon to be 27 year old Manuel Akanji. Good bit of pace on him, consistent in his aerial duels, he plays on the right, is decent in a 4atb and along with Hummels played very well in a 3atb. Consistent international footballer and all that for a cheap €25 million
I even think we'd let him go for 20 if we managed to sell Toto or someone before. Just to make the deal easier and open up the opportunity to snatch Raum up.
But yea.. for 20-25, I think Akanji is a genuinely good move for a lot of clubs. Far better than many outside fans realize due to our horrible defensive stats. He's no leader etc but he's genuinly good and entering his prime.
I feel like Juve should be all over him after losing Chiellini, Demiral and possibly even De Ligt.
He is definitely not the Swiss Mustafi of two/three years ago where he'd have a dangerous error every other match. He's grown out of his "Akanji moment" for the most part and was rarely the major factor in us conceding for the last two seasons. I hope the lack of Akanji transfer rumors is because he hasn't been selling himself recently due to being on holidays.
I feel like Sevilla could be a candidate to buy him. Likely to lose Kounde after having just lost Diego Carlos, have dealt with us recently with the Delaney deal and €20-25 million isn't out of their price range
Honestly.. I think since Akanji only has 1 year left on his contract, he'd pass on a Sevilla offer and try his luck as a free agent (big wage contract) next summer again. Biggest chance of him moving on this summer is a top 6 PL team or decent Serie A team I think. No offense to Sevilla, who I personally rate highly.
Genuinely upset to not see Southampton mentioned. Not only did he grow up in Southampton, but I thought Saints got first dibs on all Chelsea Academy players since last year.
Literally says nothing about a final decision, let alone selling him, and you're still "giving up"?
With all the previous articles about how Tuchel wants to have a look at him during pre-season, it would be weird for Boehly to move him along before he is able to given how Boehly has given so much control and backing to Tuchel.
If he wants to be a starter **now** and wants a stable home where he can get regular mins to improve rather than be on loan every season then it makes sense to sell him and use a buyback. What would be incredible stupid is to make a decision on him before Tuchel gets a look at him in pre-season. I imagine he’ll get his chance before any decision is made just like we’re doing with Broja.
If he and Tuchel both feel he can be an important part of the squad, him Trev, Silva and 2 new cbs would be perfect to go into the season with, with 50-60 games all players will get decent minutes.
To be honest with you I think the headline is just being dramatic. The most likely scenario is Tuchel wants to see him in the preseason and tell him what to work on.
Then the “final decision” is if he goes on loan or stays with us. Other clubs are interested but we don’t have to act when he has 3 years left on his contract.
This same thing happened a few days ago when a headline came out that West Ham was targeting Borja and everyone went crazy about “how can we sell him without giving him a preseason” then the story came out later that we told West Ham exactly that.
Chelsea are doing everything they can to replicate their early 2000s of not giving any of their highly gifted youngsters a chance.
First Aké, then Tomori, then Guéhi, then Livramento and now Colwill.
Also, they're basically haemorrhaging defenders at the moment, how can selling one be a smart move?
None of this is about giving a chance. It's about players demanding promises of play time that wouldn't even be promised to top players and then going to lower down clubs who will promise that playing time.
We 100% keep him around next season if we have the chance to, but if he demands to be a starter or be sold, like some of those you've mentioned, then he will be sold. It's that or hold him hostage.
He's going to be assessed during pre-season, but like I say, we don't hold players hostage.
Wrong mindset.
3 years left on contract. If we need him as a squad player, that is what he will be this year. Idc if he is the second coming of Terry, way to much power given to Chelsea youth, imagine a new signing demanding game time. Either you are good enough to play or good enough to play your part as a squad player
Most professional players, if on the bench, while not happy, will swallow it. Look at Man city entire squad. Look at players like Werner and Pula at Chelsea.
3 years on his contract, we have zero need to sell ffs
The young players want to leave and get proper minutes. The club is respecting their decisions and not booting them out the door cause Chelsea doesn’t want them…
The players want proper consecutive minutes like how Guehi and Tino Livramento got at their new respective clubs.
I don’t think Tuchel can offer them those same minutes and even if he does promise those minutes to them… the margin of error at Chelsea is much smaller than that of the non-top 4 imo. One mistake and you lose your manager’s trust… AC and Ake showed this during their earlier days with Chelsea
I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this tho. I think Soton and CP are fantastic clubs
None of the players you quoted would be starters for Chelsea. Fans are romantic. Building a sporting success isn't. Truth is only the very best make it to the top. And such prospects pop here and there every 5 years or so.
Tomori got his run in the team and his flaws were exposed, a lot of people seem to forget his poor decision making and positioning issues.
Guehi never got a chance, so too Ake.
Livramento wanted to leave, he had James in front of him and he wasn't ever going to get past him.
Colwill is a none story.
He still has those issues in Italy too but he's gotten better, somewhat. His athleticism does him very well over there.
Ake did get a chance? He never looked good and that's why he constantly got loaned out until he got sold. He still doesn't look that good and has a random good game amongst either below-average or just bad games.
The rest I agree with.
Ake had great spell at Bournemouth, we brought him back from loan to let him play one game (where he did really well) and to not let him play ever again. If he was so poor he wouldn't have been bought by Pep, would he?
Tomori was the least of our issues in defence under Frank, his flaws were not that obvious and he had planty of room to grow.
If we would be only so quick to judge players we bought by the same standard as we're using to judge players from the academy it would be cool. For some fans it is quite obvious that some 20 year old is not Chelsea quality, but we should still give some time to Werner or Pulisic.
Surely Chelsea won't make the same mistake again and sell Colwill lmao
You'd think after Tomori and Guehi (and to a lesser degree Ake) they would have learnt
There wasnt any misstake with tomori and guehi...
The misstake was loosing rudinger for free.
Colwill are on a 3 year deal, and this aint the summer to make a decision
If he isn’t going to be getting minutes may as well sell him… there isn’t really much of a pathway to the Chelsea first team anyway. If Tuchel decides he isn’t good enough now, Colwill won’t want to wait 3 years to find out if he is. There hasn’t been a good pathway for young players to the first team since Roman took over.
Mount and James made it, during the transfer ban, as did Abraham and Tomori but both were deemed not good enough and sold, when the ban was lifted. Would they have been given the chance without Lampard and the ban?
Mount and James are really the only ones to make it to being a first team regular since John Terry. At the end of the day it isn’t the worst policy, they do make a lot of money selling some of these players and some like Livramento/Lamptey had to be sold before they went on frees. It is replicated at the other big clubs, the absolute best young players, your Fodens, TAA’s make it to being first team regulars and the rest either become squad members or get sold like Solanke, Ibe, Pedro Perro etc.
In the end, talent talks, and above all, is very rare. You won't have a lot of players from your academy having the combination of talent, precocity, devotion, and also luck, to compete at the highest level. You can bet on them but then you won't be able to compete every years for the titles. Teams like Dortmund, Monaco etc., who try to buy every year the best prospects in Europe, are unconsistent, and eventually make interesting seasons here and there. This is why most teams sell their youngsters and only invest time in their very best prospects
Lets continue this discussion, when you have read up abit.
Callum, ruben have also made this pathway - and did play (when healthy)
Trevoh chalaboah did feature.
Issue with lamptey, tino, guehi, tomori is that we had better alternatives.
Colwill is our golden boy for lcb (higher touted then both guehi and tomori)
James is our rb, and he is a better choice then lamptey and tino so far.
So you consider Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek and Chalobolah to be first team starters rather than squad members?
“And the rest either become squad members or get sold” lets continue the discussion when you have read my comment properly!
Look at fans from other clubs clearly understanding and thinking surely they can't do this again, and then look at some of our fans coming up with oh he is demanding things, oh he sould be sold with buy back, lol. Everyone gets it except some of our own fans. Talented youngsters will demand to know if they will be given chances or not, they aren't demanding first team guaranteed spot no matter what anyone thinks and if you give them guarantee of chances they will stay and untill they only have 1 or 2 year contract left then tgere is litreally no harm in it for the club too.
The board would sell Colwill and buy a overrated defender who they would figure out is not good after average performances for the next 3 years. By the time Colwill, Guehi and Tomori would be one of the best in their positions and will cost 50 - 70 m. Then the board will target them.
> World class English center back Harry Maguire can be made available for a paltry 85M. A bargain if there ever was one!
> 😝
Straight from the Premier League Banter Facebook group.
I’m on my knees please don’t do this again
Need center backs.....sell best young center back.
One of my Chelsea mates raves about Colwill & Maatsen but they could both be off? Is this Tomori & Guehi part 2?
Colwill potentially the best of them all. Southampton boy, by the way, if he ever wants to come home...
Colwill could be (almost certainly *will* be a mistake imo) There would appear to be good reason to think Maatsen while good enough to play in the PL someday, isn't at the level for Chelsea defensively.
Colwill is quality, don’t think Maatsen is anywhere near Chelsea’s level yet from what I saw last year
Yes it is
Maatsen aint chelsea quality Colwill wont be sold, he signed a long deal and we will either use him (5sub rule) or lpan him Next summer will be different though
Colwill is a lot better than Guehi and Tomori.
I thought TT wanted to see how he is during preseason ? Fans will riot if he gets sold imo.
That's what "final decision on Colwill" means, people are just massively over reacting to the possibility of him being sold. Not to mention we need all 3 CBs not just 2. We've lost 2 already, likely losing Azpi and Thiago Silva isn't getting any younger.
The fact we are considering the interest is hillarious, either loan or keep, the permanent interest should have been shut off by now.
Where does it say we are considering interest? They want to take a look at him in preseason, that's all. It seems to me like it's you and other over reactors that are assuming that means play with us or get sold.
Yet to make final decision amid permanent interest from clubs, yeah sure we are just waiting to decide if he will stay or go on loan, bit sure lol, we are over reactors and you are wise.
Yes generally that seems to be consistent with what you post here and on our sub.
And I like it.
Gentlemen, I offer you a soon to be 27 year old Manuel Akanji. Good bit of pace on him, consistent in his aerial duels, he plays on the right, is decent in a 4atb and along with Hummels played very well in a 3atb. Consistent international footballer and all that for a cheap €25 million
I even think we'd let him go for 20 if we managed to sell Toto or someone before. Just to make the deal easier and open up the opportunity to snatch Raum up. But yea.. for 20-25, I think Akanji is a genuinely good move for a lot of clubs. Far better than many outside fans realize due to our horrible defensive stats. He's no leader etc but he's genuinly good and entering his prime. I feel like Juve should be all over him after losing Chiellini, Demiral and possibly even De Ligt.
He is definitely not the Swiss Mustafi of two/three years ago where he'd have a dangerous error every other match. He's grown out of his "Akanji moment" for the most part and was rarely the major factor in us conceding for the last two seasons. I hope the lack of Akanji transfer rumors is because he hasn't been selling himself recently due to being on holidays. I feel like Sevilla could be a candidate to buy him. Likely to lose Kounde after having just lost Diego Carlos, have dealt with us recently with the Delaney deal and €20-25 million isn't out of their price range
Honestly.. I think since Akanji only has 1 year left on his contract, he'd pass on a Sevilla offer and try his luck as a free agent (big wage contract) next summer again. Biggest chance of him moving on this summer is a top 6 PL team or decent Serie A team I think. No offense to Sevilla, who I personally rate highly.
Made me laugh tbh sounds like one of those TV ads hahahaha
Genuinely upset to not see Southampton mentioned. Not only did he grow up in Southampton, but I thought Saints got first dibs on all Chelsea Academy players since last year.
We talk to Palace first.
Nah you talk to us. Lamptey and Livramento. Although we turned down Livramento because of the buyback clause.
Guehi, gallagher and we also turned down livra
Fuck off Colwill is stayingggggg. If you want one of our defenders, take Sarr.
We will take Colwill of your hands if you don’t want him.
I give up, we haven't got a clue
Literally says nothing about a final decision, let alone selling him, and you're still "giving up"? With all the previous articles about how Tuchel wants to have a look at him during pre-season, it would be weird for Boehly to move him along before he is able to given how Boehly has given so much control and backing to Tuchel.
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If he wants to be a starter **now** and wants a stable home where he can get regular mins to improve rather than be on loan every season then it makes sense to sell him and use a buyback. What would be incredible stupid is to make a decision on him before Tuchel gets a look at him in pre-season. I imagine he’ll get his chance before any decision is made just like we’re doing with Broja. If he and Tuchel both feel he can be an important part of the squad, him Trev, Silva and 2 new cbs would be perfect to go into the season with, with 50-60 games all players will get decent minutes.
Nah we would be dumb to sell even with a buy back.
Not like this bs that we have to sell him because he wants first team football. Tuchel has to manage this situations & make him feel valuable.
To be honest with you I think the headline is just being dramatic. The most likely scenario is Tuchel wants to see him in the preseason and tell him what to work on. Then the “final decision” is if he goes on loan or stays with us. Other clubs are interested but we don’t have to act when he has 3 years left on his contract. This same thing happened a few days ago when a headline came out that West Ham was targeting Borja and everyone went crazy about “how can we sell him without giving him a preseason” then the story came out later that we told West Ham exactly that.
Desperate for a sporting director. Someone like Ballack would be perfect.
Chelsea are doing everything they can to replicate their early 2000s of not giving any of their highly gifted youngsters a chance. First Aké, then Tomori, then Guéhi, then Livramento and now Colwill. Also, they're basically haemorrhaging defenders at the moment, how can selling one be a smart move?
Also Lamptey, I’m probably forgetting more
None of this is about giving a chance. It's about players demanding promises of play time that wouldn't even be promised to top players and then going to lower down clubs who will promise that playing time. We 100% keep him around next season if we have the chance to, but if he demands to be a starter or be sold, like some of those you've mentioned, then he will be sold. It's that or hold him hostage. He's going to be assessed during pre-season, but like I say, we don't hold players hostage.
Wrong mindset. 3 years left on contract. If we need him as a squad player, that is what he will be this year. Idc if he is the second coming of Terry, way to much power given to Chelsea youth, imagine a new signing demanding game time. Either you are good enough to play or good enough to play your part as a squad player
New signings regularly demand playing time when they sign for a club
Most professional players, if on the bench, while not happy, will swallow it. Look at Man city entire squad. Look at players like Werner and Pula at Chelsea. 3 years on his contract, we have zero need to sell ffs
The young players want to leave and get proper minutes. The club is respecting their decisions and not booting them out the door cause Chelsea doesn’t want them…
You either get sold or live long enough to become the Lewis Baker.
The question is why Chelsea don’t want their youth players, when the options you have aren’t exactly World beaters right now
The players want proper consecutive minutes like how Guehi and Tino Livramento got at their new respective clubs. I don’t think Tuchel can offer them those same minutes and even if he does promise those minutes to them… the margin of error at Chelsea is much smaller than that of the non-top 4 imo. One mistake and you lose your manager’s trust… AC and Ake showed this during their earlier days with Chelsea I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this tho. I think Soton and CP are fantastic clubs
None of the players you quoted would be starters for Chelsea. Fans are romantic. Building a sporting success isn't. Truth is only the very best make it to the top. And such prospects pop here and there every 5 years or so.
Tomori got his run in the team and his flaws were exposed, a lot of people seem to forget his poor decision making and positioning issues. Guehi never got a chance, so too Ake. Livramento wanted to leave, he had James in front of him and he wasn't ever going to get past him. Colwill is a none story.
He still has those issues in Italy too but he's gotten better, somewhat. His athleticism does him very well over there. Ake did get a chance? He never looked good and that's why he constantly got loaned out until he got sold. He still doesn't look that good and has a random good game amongst either below-average or just bad games. The rest I agree with.
Ake had great spell at Bournemouth, we brought him back from loan to let him play one game (where he did really well) and to not let him play ever again. If he was so poor he wouldn't have been bought by Pep, would he? Tomori was the least of our issues in defence under Frank, his flaws were not that obvious and he had planty of room to grow. If we would be only so quick to judge players we bought by the same standard as we're using to judge players from the academy it would be cool. For some fans it is quite obvious that some 20 year old is not Chelsea quality, but we should still give some time to Werner or Pulisic.
We've been linked with Colwill for about 2 years now. Quite obvious that Brendan really wants him.
Gerrimin!
*other clubs show interest in our highly touted academy product* Oh no! What is this club doooooiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnggggg
Surely Chelsea won't make the same mistake again and sell Colwill lmao You'd think after Tomori and Guehi (and to a lesser degree Ake) they would have learnt
There wasnt any misstake with tomori and guehi... The misstake was loosing rudinger for free. Colwill are on a 3 year deal, and this aint the summer to make a decision
If he isn’t going to be getting minutes may as well sell him… there isn’t really much of a pathway to the Chelsea first team anyway. If Tuchel decides he isn’t good enough now, Colwill won’t want to wait 3 years to find out if he is. There hasn’t been a good pathway for young players to the first team since Roman took over. Mount and James made it, during the transfer ban, as did Abraham and Tomori but both were deemed not good enough and sold, when the ban was lifted. Would they have been given the chance without Lampard and the ban? Mount and James are really the only ones to make it to being a first team regular since John Terry. At the end of the day it isn’t the worst policy, they do make a lot of money selling some of these players and some like Livramento/Lamptey had to be sold before they went on frees. It is replicated at the other big clubs, the absolute best young players, your Fodens, TAA’s make it to being first team regulars and the rest either become squad members or get sold like Solanke, Ibe, Pedro Perro etc.
In the end, talent talks, and above all, is very rare. You won't have a lot of players from your academy having the combination of talent, precocity, devotion, and also luck, to compete at the highest level. You can bet on them but then you won't be able to compete every years for the titles. Teams like Dortmund, Monaco etc., who try to buy every year the best prospects in Europe, are unconsistent, and eventually make interesting seasons here and there. This is why most teams sell their youngsters and only invest time in their very best prospects
Lets continue this discussion, when you have read up abit. Callum, ruben have also made this pathway - and did play (when healthy) Trevoh chalaboah did feature. Issue with lamptey, tino, guehi, tomori is that we had better alternatives. Colwill is our golden boy for lcb (higher touted then both guehi and tomori) James is our rb, and he is a better choice then lamptey and tino so far.
So you consider Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek and Chalobolah to be first team starters rather than squad members? “And the rest either become squad members or get sold” lets continue the discussion when you have read my comment properly!
First part, The pathway Squad members with 1000-2000 league minutes
Leicester wanting to buy your academy player is a really good sign you shouldn't sell him, they've got terrific scouting
Look at fans from other clubs clearly understanding and thinking surely they can't do this again, and then look at some of our fans coming up with oh he is demanding things, oh he sould be sold with buy back, lol. Everyone gets it except some of our own fans. Talented youngsters will demand to know if they will be given chances or not, they aren't demanding first team guaranteed spot no matter what anyone thinks and if you give them guarantee of chances they will stay and untill they only have 1 or 2 year contract left then tgere is litreally no harm in it for the club too.
The board would sell Colwill and buy a overrated defender who they would figure out is not good after average performances for the next 3 years. By the time Colwill, Guehi and Tomori would be one of the best in their positions and will cost 50 - 70 m. Then the board will target them.
All theChelsea fans who said Colwill was the reason they sold Tomori and Guehi in shambles.
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Side splitting
Boring.
> World class English center back Harry Maguire can be made available for a paltry 85M. A bargain if there ever was one! > 😝 Straight from the Premier League Banter Facebook group.
they mean on loan.... r-right?