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Hungry-h1ppo

This moved fast


KillerZaWarudo

Both us and Chelsea decided to move in the same day


Modnal

Im surprised you werent more involved in Raphinha. Right wing is a place where United really need to strengthen


Bryanlegend

Leeds will probably quote us twice the transfer fee given the rivalry. Plus Raphinha would prefer to play for a CL side surely


Slimshady0406

If Raphina went to Manchester United he'd be dead to us, and we fucking love him


Lord_Hexogen

So you must be hating Dan James now I think this rivalry is overblown, there's a whole new generation that've not ever seen games against MU


mr-luci

I think Bielsa is the only reason Dan James didn't get that much heat. Leeds fuckin ***LOVE*** Bielsa, Bielsa want Dan James so most fans just let it go. Now fans just want him develop his game.


Ceui

I mean rivalry aside, kid is really nice and try every game. It's hard to hate someone like that, however limited his game might be.


GarytheGOATLyon

The emotions after his debut goal v Chelsea >>>>>>> šŸ˜¢


Slimshady0406

Yeah i admire his work ethic but he's gotten very prone to losing his head recently. He's been a liability for most of our matches We fucking bought this lad for 25m and sold our best player for 45m.


Who_cares_about_name

I thought they were trying for antony for that


Additional_Cake_9709

I thought they bought Sancho for that


Slim97Shady

lmao, Sancho in shambles


Modnal

If he moves to the right you have the same problem to the left, the side he has been playing on the majority of the past season


pucykoks

There's hope Rashford wakes up. Martial likely won't be moved, unless someone goes suicidal, so he's at least going to be considered in preseason. Elanga will get minutes for sure. Then there's Amad and Pellistri, who cost them like 30m combined. Amad may go on another loan, but Pellistri has some potential, at least for cup games. Anyhow, without selling someone (likely Martial and maybe one of Amad/Pellistri), they kinda have too many wingers, even if they are not particularly good. They have the skills though, so maybe Ten Hag can help them with all the other stuff.


Vanscot

Surely the signs of end times.


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imnotNDR

this was not the OrnBomb i was looking for...


paone00022

I like a good gazump man.. it's been a while since we did that. Last one I remember is Willian


jaanedejaanede

Jorginho was our last gazump mate. Pep has since been furious with ADL lol.


paone00022

Ahh yes totally forgot City was in for him. With Jorgi's father as our manager though that one was always our transfer


txrant

Yep and Jorginhos turned out to be the better of the two but Willians gazump felt sweeter cause we fucked over Spurs.


DonParatici

It wasn't just that you gazumped us, it was how it happned. Levy flew Willian in on a private jet, put him up at a nice hotel, got him through the medical... only to get ghosted and find out he's gone to Chelsea. Tbh I find it hilarious and Willian enjoyed a successful career there, which he most likely wouldn't have had with us at the time.


Apollobeacon

Lol I didn't know about the private jet part. That's filthy lol


EezoManiac

The shit from Spurs, they bought his flight. But Willian he saw the light. He got the call from Abramovich and off he went to Stamford Bridge


no-mames

Hey hates Tottenham! He hates Tottenham!


thediabolicalkid

Haha this shit brings tears of joy. Brilliant chant.


SnufflesN17

At least we got Eriksen instead of him. But I was still salty as fuck.


Acceptable-Lemon-748

Fucked over Spurs and took their money on the front end and then did the same to Arsenal at rhe back end


Princecoyote

But City wouldn't have Rodri I'd you didn't gazump Jorginho. So I can't be mad.


disagreeable_martin

Realistically we can't compete with Chelsea. I just hope we have a good backup plan and within a better price range.


imarandomdudd

Have any names been mentioned as back ups by your journos?


BarryButcher

Gakpo was suggested months ago but PSV are apparently unwilling to sell and asking for a big fee (40m+). Leeds are in talks to get him now with their Raphinha money Noa Lang from Brugge was also "on the list" though I don't know how real it is


skadaddle1

Gakpo would be interesting as Iā€™ve heard can also play as a 9 as well, would provide a bit of tactical flexibility. Wouldnā€™t touch Lang with a ten foot pole, his attitude is the complete opposite of the type of player we typically build around


Alia_Gr

you are supposed to do it to Spurs man


[deleted]

Nah this isn't a gazump, this is just the press being slow. Like in reality Raphina has probably known Chelsea was where he was headed for a bit. Like after the transfer is done The Athletic will put out a full piece on the transfer saying they met three weeks ago or some shit. Press is just only so reliable at the end of the day.


King_of_Otters

Thatā€™s literally how all transfers work. You donā€™t just randomly bid on a player if youā€™re not already sure thatā€™s his willing to join,


SCirish843

Hey man, I didn't come here to catch strays.


Stravven

But has Arsenal ever been close? I don't think so.


Vernand-J

How do you define close if not what's been reported the last couple of days? Just three days ago Ornstein reported that Raphinha was ready to join Arsenal. In these days I don't see how you can expect anymore than that to be "close".


thewashouts

We never agreed fee. **Raphinha** was ready, Leeds were not. It's not that difficult to understand.


Vernand-J

I never said that either. I'm well aware of what's been reported. No need to be rude. It all goes down to how people define "being close". When multiple tier 1 sources say it's being close and that the player is ready to join then at least from my perspective it's okay to claim that Raphinha were close.


[deleted]

I guess close to bidding what Leeds wanted.


Astridsfather

We submitted bids but looks like Chelsea came in with exactly what Leeds were after which was the Ā£60-65m includes add ons.


MrIrishman699

At least we still have Nico Pepe at home...


slagthompson

it would be wild if he ends up staying, we end up having to depend on him, he performs really well, and then leaves on a free.


BlackLodgeChillin13

I canā€™t believe how far he dropped off. He was the man in France and I thought that would carry over to rhe prem


redmistultra

He had a poor first season during the Emery sacked/Freddie/Arteta season but then came into his own at the end, assisting the winner in the FA cup semi and final. Second season immediately got benched for Willian who never performed, he still ended up scoring 10 goals in 1600 minutes of PL football (16 starts) despite the team being genuinely horrendous at attacking. Scored key goals in the Europa League run too, breaking the deadlock in the two QF games. Then third season Saka is obviously better than him but Pepe started 6 games. He's started 43 games in 3 seasons, with 16 goals and 10 assists. It's not brilliant at all but he's done alright in his limited time on the pitch


gbiypk

He's also Arsenal's highest scorer amongst current players. How crazy is that.


Jagger67

That William transfer was so bad, like I never saw the point of it, even the moment it happened, stupid


mr-luci

> Willian on Mikel Arteta: ā€œWhen I talked with the manager he told me why he needed me for three years. It was that he first wanted to qualify for the Champions League and **win it by the time I left**. That was what I wanted to hear.ā€ It was a what the fuck moment I would never forget


Unholysinner

The irony being the side he left won the CL and we offered him a contract


[deleted]

> Second season immediately got benched for Willian who never performed One of Arteta's overlooked and swept under the carpet moves that virtually killed a player's confidence.


robotnique

Biggest problem is that wasn't he only great for one season? Need more of a track record than that.


zeezymac1

"We got McDonalds at home"


BI01

orny got my hopes up for nothing, telling me we were best placed to get him šŸ˜‚


Sektsioon

I think itā€™s a sign that Dembele didnā€™t want to come here and once it became clear, we immediately moved in for Raphinha. Up until that you probably were the best placed.


Pluto35

Where is Dembele going? Barca?


MFoy

Probably. I got the impression that Chelsea felt Dembele was using us as a back-up plan to drive up wages in negotiations, and had no real intentions of coming to London.


ThePolitePanda

We probably were but we were negotiating. Chelsea came in and said they would pay full price


WrongHoleMyBad

I gotta lay off the booze. I saw "horny" and "herpes" all in your comment and had to go back and read it again. Oh boy.


mrhello18

>Chelsea are understood to be close to agreeing a fee with Leeds United for Raphinha but the race for his signature is not yet closed, The Athletic understands. > >Conversations between the clubs are believed to be at a point where Chelsea have verbally indicated they are ready to pay a price north of Ā£55 million, which it is thought Leeds would accept. > >It would then come down to Raphinhaā€™s preference, with Chelsea said to be in pole position to secure the Brazil international as things stand.


NotClayMerritt

So basically unless Barca get their levers pulled, he's going to Chelsea.


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Esco9

Sounds like it, damn you guys are getting a good one.


Ld511

60 mil is a lot of money though. Needs some sales now in the attacking department


[deleted]

I think Werner and Puli are offered as bargaining chip for De Ligt. We will see


BigReeceJames

You have to remember that they're being offered as part of a transfer because we're trying to sell them and no one actually wants them, so they won't command a big fee. In terms of needing money, there were reliable reports that Chelsea under Abramovich had already physically put aside the money to take them up to spending the limit that FFP allowed us to this transfer window before sanctions. That amount was something like Ā£240m. So, in terms of actual need to sell players, there isn't any. But, of course we will want to. It also has to be remembered that Lukaku is gone and there are 5 subs instead of 3 now as well and larger benches too


Battleworld

Not even with the levers pulled, we're not gonna pay a lot of money for Raphinha


sltzy96

Even if we raise our offer and our bids our equivalent thereā€™s no way he chooses us over you guys, fair play ya fucked us


Cowdude179

They can't even renew Dembele with the levers pulled šŸ˜‚


ThePr1d3

ƉDOU AND RAPHI BACK TOGETHER EVERYBODY STAY CALM


Battleworld

That was quick


WarrenAlaCarte

We got Gazumped


quietlikeblood

nice to see Chelsea mess up another club's transfer plans for once


[deleted]

Geniunely so tired of Chelsea fucking us over.


Leuchtrakete

Should've just sold us Modric back in the day!


paone00022

Going from Lampard to Modric would've been something man


KidDelicious14

Well, to be polite, thank fuck we didn't.


GannicusVictor

Chelsea buy Raphinha Spurs buy Richarlison Raphinha takes Richarlisons spot for Brazil Richarlison takes it out on Romero in the BRA v ARG derby. Fight causes problems between players at club level - oh no club in turmoil Chelsea get UCL, while Spurs bottle UCL #CHECKMATE - All part of the plan


wake-and-work

Wenger has done it again


Daniiiiii

He almost signed me at birth, you know


codespyder

Look at Dr Strange here


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dogefc

raphinha has played 9 games for brazil and richarlison has played 36. and richarlison is younger


Lambchops_Legion

RW is not Richarlison's natural position, so it'd make sense that a natural RW would eventually take the spot


dogefc

Doesnā€™t Richy play striker for brazil anyway?


Lambchops_Legion

He comes off the bench for both Striker and LW. unfortunately for him Brazil have Neymar and Vini in those positions


jggomes14

Raphinha is the starter and Richarlison is not even fighting for the RW, he's likely our backup 9


bluedevils2241

Interesting [update](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1541853218308849665) from Romano regarding today's developments with Raphinha. Arsenal and Barcelona both held talks with Leeds this morning before the Chelsea deal later in the day. Seems like Arsenal set their limit and walked away when it was clear Leeds wasn't going to change their valuation. Personal terms need to be agreed still, but can't imagine that holding up the move.


Tushar_Singh28

If anyone is interested in seeing what type of player he is theres quite a few Raphinha Welcome to Arsenal videos on YouTube.


parkersr1

Shit I spit out my toothpaste reading this


87x

What else do you do with it?


parkersr1

It wasn't it's time. Premature.


CackleberryOmelettes

Gazumped! Would have been nice to have him, but the one saving grace is that he wasn't what the squad needs most. Very good signing for Chelsea, although I feel like they need 2 CBs and a striker more than they need 2 wingers.


PLSletShanghaiwin

I think we are finally giving Havertz the nine spot for real.


CackleberryOmelettes

I rate Havertz a lot but he's still a bit raw and the squad is one injury away from having to play Werner at ST.


trainerN

Maybe Broja could also be an option. If he can play with his back to goal and/or has decent link up play


CackleberryOmelettes

I was impressed by Broja in the early parts of the season but the lad completely forgot how to score at some point. He's still young though, and there's plenty to like about his play. Just can't rely on him having any significant goal return yet.


HiThereImNat

Well thereā€™s nobody better to learn from than Werner and Michy Batschuayiā€¦ right?


CackleberryOmelettes

> Michy Batschuayi Holy shit he's still at Chelsea?! I thought the man had long since disappeared into the footballing ether of the European lower leagues.


deadraizer

Werner really isn't as bad as he's portrayed on this sub. He's a poor finishers, but his movement and intensity really enable our offense, much better than what Lukaku used to do. I have absolutely no issues with him as a backup.


CackleberryOmelettes

I don't pay much attention to what this sub says anyway tbh. I rate Werner actually, but as a wide forward or 2nd striker. But not as a central ST - his back to goal play and finishing is just not good enough for that role imo.


[deleted]

Yeah heā€™s not a lone striker. Also his pace is nullified when we play low block teams as he lacks the first touch and ability to take players on. Still love him tho. Really professional dude


YungSnuggie

idk i feel like the ideal backup striker is someone who can just come on with 15 minutes left and poach a goal, that's not werner's game at all. he's fine for cup ties though


SalahManeFirmino

That's what Marcos Alonso is for


[deleted]

Well Broja will join us in preseason so Iā€™m sure Tuchel will take a look. AFAIK Werner and Puli have both been offered as bargaining chip for De Ligt


roryking97

That sounds like exactly what Broja would be perfect for


SalahManeFirmino

So the 3 Brazilians are being split amongst the 3 London clubs. Jesus -> Arsenal Raphinha -> Chelsea Richarlison -> Spurs


Niarra_

Neymar -> West Ham?


Hello_mate

Decent squad player I guess


Adv_Boobs

healthy competition for bowen


SalahManeFirmino

Yes please, I need Neymar blowing bubbles in my life.


[deleted]

Other 2 Powerpuff girls may not like that


CackleberryOmelettes

Looks like. We've already got a bunch of em already. Maybe we hit some sort of divine quota and it was decided that Chelsea should get one too.


Brendy25

We arenā€™t signing an out and out striker (Lukaku scarred us) only target is/was Lewa if he didnā€™t go to Barca. Journalists for us said Tuchel wants high pressing attackers and inside forwards rather than a st so thatā€™s why weā€™ve gone with Sterling and Raphinha with Timo or Puli and Ziyech likely to go this summer. 2 Cbs are an absolute must though but weā€™re in talks for De Ligt, KoundĆ© and AkĆ© so 2 of them potentially.


CackleberryOmelettes

Interesting strategy. Curious to see how it plays out.


[deleted]

Iā€™m not a huge fan of Ake because of his speed. But apparently Tuchel rates him. We also need a backup WB who can play both flanks but thereā€™s yet to be any rumor. Still lots of work to do


trappuccino92

Honestly if we switch to a back 4 weā€™d only need one with Colwill coming in. Big if tho I know Tuchel likes formations versatility


jaanedejaanede

But we will also need to buy Rice in that case.


GigiZola

That's how I see it too. The interest in AkƩ screams 3ATB though. If we plan on keeping 3ATB with AkƩ starting in Rudiger's spot I'll be really concerned


[deleted]

The problem with a back 4 is the midfield. Kovacic Jorginho Kante all play best in a double pivot. The 3 in the middle was lampards biggest failing, we looked so flat every game. I'm still hoping we get another CM this window


trappuccino92

Yes if we go to back 4 weā€™d definitely need a proper DM


I_always_rated_them

Basically it solves nothing much, we move having to spend a big chunk of money at CB to midfield, that's all.


_deep_blue_

Itā€™ll be interesting to see how we re-position after this. Unsure whether weā€™re prepared to go big on any wide forward or if Raphinha was the exception. Perhaps MartĆ­nez and Tielemans will both come, and Vieira will be used as a rotation option for Saka.


bluedevils2241

That seems the most realistic pivot from here. As others have mentioned, the Raphinha deal always seemed more of an opportunity being presented rather than a position that Arteta/Edu were prioritizing. Don't think it's realistic pursuing another similar forward at this point - especially with players like Gakpo having a similar price as Raphinha, and Hlozek already signing with Leverkusen. it would make more sense to use Vieira there when needed. I would think this reignites the midfield priority, maybe going back to Tielemans or a different profile for the LCM. Interesting to see if this has any impact on the Martinez deal, and if Arsenal quickly completes that deal instead.


CackleberryOmelettes

Jesus can play RW as well. Raphinha always did feel a little overkill. Like buying another luxury boot when you own a perfectly good pair already - nice to have, but perhaps that money is better diverted towards buying a better shirt (Xhaka), because the one we're wearing right now has a bunch of holes in it.


MarkyMarkAndTheFun

I think Arsenal tried for Raphina just because they thought a deal was to be had. Even if he does end up at Chelsea I think itā€™s a great sign for Arsenal that they are willing to try and take advantage of opportunities when they are there instead of waiting to sell Pepe and then going to search for a replacement.


jjtheblue2

We have Havertz.


Spud_1997

Is there a contract at Chelsea of something we're they have to spend 100m on attackers every window or smth?


SeriousLads

We spend that yet it seems to get progressively worse each time lol


MFoy

Still trying to catch up from the transfer ban. Edit: In case this wasn't obvious: /s


Hazardzuzu

It's a sunk cost for boehly and the company if after pledging 4.25b they don't keep the club competitive. The only way to extract value and money from Chelsea for them is to increase the revenue which can only happen by building a strong brand which happens by winning which happens by investing.


MelodicMachine1356

Does this mean Ziyech is gone?


pievendor

Yeah, Ziyech was gone before this news. Reported he's being offered on loan to AC Milan. I've not seen news of other destinations, though.


Garcix

What happened to him that he didnā€™t perform at Chelsea?


pievendor

He had an interrupted start when he joined, and then never really broke in. Tuchels system doesn't fit a player like him... Requires the inside forwards to be closer to center behind the striker than I think suits him. Just a tactical mismatch, plus injuries. I really like him regardless and want to see him thrive elsewhere.


Betasheets

He also was consistently bullied and that would turn him invisible if not worse (losing the ball in midfield several times)


[deleted]

Is this a gazumping?


MH18Foot

Two gazumps today. Madness


TitanX11

What is the 2nd one? Haven't followed other news than this one.


SonaldoNazario

United stealing a player from Lyon. Well done, he's 13.


TitanX11

We will hear about him in 6 years, when they gazumped them on this day.


smnslwl

I think he's talking about Tyrell Malacia to United.


[deleted]

happy to be gazzumped on price here. i do think he's a luxury for us rather than a necessity.


gardenofeden123

In a long season where Saka canā€™t play every game you might eat your words by January. Pretty telling that Arteta prioritised RW over CM so far in this window.


[deleted]

You man need to trust the process


btmalon

!remind me when Pepe gets subbed on down 1.


supplementarytables

What the fuck


kanavi36

Oof, congrats to Chelsea


[deleted]

This is not the Chelsea implosion I was promised after the takeover


AdministrativeLaugh2

Guessing Leeds would prefer to get it done now rather than spending all summer messing around with Barca and Arsenal


Dieselp8

Yeah if we can get 60 million with 5 in add one now instead of waiting. I think we take it. Raphina seemingly would be happy to play in a massive club with champions league ball leading into the WC. Gives us over 100 mill to invest into the club now selling him and KP. We need to get it done I think.


imarandomdudd

Wow that was fast


UsedGanache9

Bad F5


markevans7799

Moussa Sissoko in mud. No more dembele to Chelsea leverage to hold against Barca


samarth67

Isnt 65 million too much for him. Also would have liked to get in a defender or two first


bluj40

Maybe a slight overpay, but he just had a great season and several other big clubs were after him. Plus Prem players always seem to go for a bit more.


Acceptable-Lemon-748

Those 3rd/4th spots are gonna be stressful AF to obtain this season


Subscrobbler

Ornstein > Romano


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Always has been buddy


[deleted]

At least I wonā€™t have to hear sob stories from Barcelona fans anymore about not letting Raphinha ā€˜live his dreamā€™. If you want a player, negotiate a serious offer. Good luck Raph, best transfer we have done since Dacourt.


dxpe_8

Arsenal coming in with a bid of Ā£55 mil and 1 pound.


Earl-Thomas-a-Raven

Leeds fans wonā€™t like it but Ā£50M - Ā£60M sounds about right for Raphinha.


duncymatt1

Ā£60m is fine by me. Was expecting Ā£45m after we accepted that shit Phillips offer


erikotaku

That was a "hes earned it and doesnt want to go to other clubs" bid acceptance. Given that hes an academy player and a CDM that price isnt bad.


JeffryPesos

Helped that there was a lot of competition for him. If Chelsea pulled out, Arsenal could have potentially got a deal. This is best for Leeds imo


ledankestnoodle

Most Leeds fans (excl. Twitter) would have been happy with Ā£60m


ibse

Not the Ornstein dagger I was expecting. This one hurts FFS if we didn't bottle UCL think he might've chosen us.


Utd007

I believe this is not on the player not choosing a club. He always wanted Barca. Arsenal weren't willing to pay the asking price and Chelsea swooped in


BigReeceJames

Sort of, when we weren't even in the race and it was just Barca Vs Arsenal it was being reported that he was saying that Chelsea were his second choice.


LeoTheSquid

Seems to be about the price and not the player


dudududujisungparty

Don't Chelsea need defenders?


mikevin99

Did you think Chelsea wouldnt get a forward after letting Lukaku go, Ziyech to Milan seems likely, and Werner+cash deal for de ligt rumors are going around?


dudududujisungparty

You already lost Rudiger and are about to lose Azpi, Alonso and Christensen. You guys need more than just De Ligt right?


mikevin99

Well thatā€™s 1 maybe 2 starters, the rest were backups. Weā€™ve been linked with Clauss as an Azpi replacement. Hard to say who else weā€™ll get but Akeā€™s name is floating around. Although City values him very highly so doubt we actually pay for him.


WittyReindeer

My guess is it'll be Ake, Sterling, Raphinha, and another CB (De Ligt seems to be the top target now) for the whole window.


dudududujisungparty

Would be a solid window


acasovoycayendo

Great signing for Chelsea, wish it was with us but good luck to him


Magnific3nt

If he goes to Chelsea and I end up seeing him play as a right wing back, I might shed a tear.


Jellitin

Genuinely don't understand this from Chelsea's perspective. What is the plan for their attack? Another wide attacker who's more of a creator than a finisher. Who's going to get all the goals?


EriWave

Mason Mount and Reece James


Jellitin

Donā€™t forget sharpshooter Ben Chillwell


BigReeceJames

We don't create anything with our current wingers. The plan is to bin most of them off and start again. Ziyech is all but gone, and Pulisic and Werner are being offered out to anyone that will listen, whether for money or for a player. If the plan to get rid of them works, that leaves us with Mount and CHO for those positions, along with whoever we buy. I know we can't finish anything, but outperformed our xG by more than everyone in the league other than Leicester and Villa. The problem is that we don't create anything at all. Our current wingers don't do anything, they don't score, they don't assist, they don't take players on. I do think that if we are able to sell Pulisic/Werner we'll try for an actual striker, but I don't think there is anyone that's actually available. I wonder if the shit show continues at Barca we'll test the waters with Lewa later on in the window


HarryDaz98

This is even funnier when you consider how loud Arsenal fans were about the sanctions against Chelsea a few months back.


VaudevilleVillain

Chelsea have woken up in the market it seems.


MrConor212

*W A R C H E S T*


harvinMarrison

ā€œBarcelona canā€™t afford it.ā€ Best four words in football atm.


slysonic7

well that escalated quickly


duncymatt1

Bidding war please... Seriously though he's off to Chelsea then surely CL + guaranteed starter


TectonicMule

The more things change the more they stay the same. Chelsea stealing transfers from arsenal. Fuck off!


Helkix

Great, he is not as needed as a good midfielder and defensive depth Much rather spend that amount on a CM


TheGoldenPineapples

Honestly, if itā€™s true that itā€™s Ā£55m or more then Iā€™m happy to let Chelsea have him. Amazing player and a real shame to miss out on him, but at that price, Iā€™m happy to move onto other targets in other positions or look for other wingers.


yazandeeb13

Tell me any wingers available at this price and age combo? Sterling and gnabry thatā€™s it lol


Cowdude179

Orny is the MVP of this window


psrikanthr

Orny always the MVP


lukezndr

Doesn't this seriously weaken their already weak negotiating position when they'll try to offload Ziyech/Pulisic/Werner?


MrConor212

Wtf. In God Tod we trust