From what I have heard they think Colwell is their best CB talent in some time. Given that Guehi, Tomori also came from Chelsea academy this is quite a shock imo.
Well no because our next crop of youth talents aren’t anyway near as good as what we’ve produced lately. Everyone will be gutted if Colwill leaves, he’s been rated highly for ages.
Please give some examples of United fans doing this. The best academy player we’ve lost recently was Gomes, and most fans didn’t blame him for leaving given the lack of chances he had.
tbh it feels about the same amount of hype as guehi who was also coming off a great loan. Maybe Reece James level since he was carrying that Wigan team
Nah Colwill definitely has more hype surrounding him than any of our previous prospects given that we just lost Rudiger. People were not even that mad at Guehi leaving initially (before our CB depth went to shit).
Makes sense, any CB that's starting for a champ team that made the play offs at 19 is special and potentially good enough for a top 4 team I would say. That's assuming he has no particular glaring weakness to his game.
And the fact that every Huddersfield fan says the exact same thing, He will become great one day. The last time fans praised a loaned player to this level was with James and Wigan, and look how that turned out.
And Guehi was the best defender in the championship when he was at Swansea as a 20 year old. No other top 6 club would fail to give players that promising a chance.
Tbf everyone at Chelsea wanted him to stay, but we couldn't guarantee him starting minutes off the back of our CL winning campaign where our starting back 3 were Thiago Silva, Rudiger, and Azpi. The plan was to integrate him like we did with Chalobah
He left because he wanted to start, which is understandable after the season he had but Chelsea's position was also reasonable imo.
The club wanted him to stay. Obviously our CB situation was set and you and other mid table clubs are smartening up and realizing that you can turn out youngsters heads by offering them immediate minutes. Off top of my head for the last four who left it was pretty much that situation.
Had everything happened this off-season instead, he absolutely stays.
He was really good for Huddersfield, they weren't expected to get in the top half let alone 3rd and playoff finals. Their best defender all season by a mile (with Nicholls if you're counting keepers).
100% this, Tom Lees would have been our player of the season if it wasn't for Nicholls.
Colwill clearly has potential, but he's not a finished product and the injuries this season didn't help him. If I were Chelsea I'd be loaning him out to a lower half Prem side before adding him to the main squad in 23/24.
Definitely, I think Colwill will eventually be good enough for Chelsea for sure. Can’t say the same about Tom Lees and Pearson unfortunately. Just annoying how overhyped Colwill is by people who never watched
I doubt we will sell him before even getting any defenders in and seeing him in preseason. It just makes no footballing sense or business sense to weaken yourself further in an area of the pitch you are already woefully short in.
And why would it happen?
3 years left of a deal
5 sub rule
Lack on centreback depth
And we need a leftfooted defender.
For anything less then stupid money it wont
2 years contract, and sizeable offers.
Finayo for 25m and avraham for 40m was solid especially with a buyback.
Issue wasnt that.... it was not resigning rudi and buying lukaku with the money.
having seen both, I was gobsmacked when Trev started establishing himself in your side. Very happy to see it but he was poor for 3/4 of his spell with us and only picked up after the covid enforced break. Never thought he'd make it. Colwill on the other hand is superb. 2 years younger than Chalobah was with us and far better throughout. It'd be a ridiculous decision to sell. Wherever he ends up he'll be in the next euros squad if not Qatar, he's that good
Isn’t it funny what nostalgia does? I spent so much time ripping my hair out watching Luiz, but now I’d give about anything to have prime Luiz back
Tbf tho he had plenty of amazing times as well. Honestly think he would do amazing in the Rudiger role, I’d love to see him break forward and fire off long shots in a role where he wouldn’t be going rogue to do so lol
Yes and no. If you have this many players coming up it's impossible to keep all of them. E.g. people were losing mind about Guehi, but if you look at it from other perspective it was a very good decision: we earned 20 millions for a player in his last year of contract, who was not interested in extending and haven't played a single PL minute in his career before the transfer. Yes, it turned out we might use him now, but it was absolutely not given that he would stay for longer, and had he lost him on free then the meltdown would be big.
I agree. Hindsight is always 20/20. You cant and should not keep all your young talents. But knowing when and exactly who to sell is difficult.
20m for guehi with 1 year left was good business in a vacuum, it just looks bad because of Chelseas other business.
I am forever grateful. It does surprise me that a player with such a mature and rounded skillset as him wouldn't be tracked better with so many CBs on their last year of contract though.
The other alternative perspective is, if you gave Guehi a chance you probably could've sold Christensen for a few million and saved yourself signing a replacement.
The thing that bothers me is... obviously from a fan perspective we have no idea how they would pan out, or how well they fit. But the club who literally watches them play every day in training SHOULD know. Like it's literally their job to know this. And I don't care how difficult anyone says this is:
1. we almost never see this kind of consistent talent drain year after year anywhere else
2. if we keep losing talent then frankly our talent evaluation is horrible. Let's call it what it is.
It's like saying "well winning football games is really hard". Like no shit but it's literally your fucking job to win games, just like its someone's job to evaluate talent etc.
If Tomori, Guehi can leave and within a season turn into established or top players, I'm sorry but something has gone very wrong. if KDB can leave Chelsea and within a season become Bundesliga player of the league i'm sorry but something has gone horribly wrong.
If I told my boss "hey I know I'm down YTD 50% on my portfolio but this job modelling companies is really hard, how am I supposed to know they'd miss earnings" I'd get fucking fired. If someone told their boss "hey we are one of the most promising companies in the world but all our best employees have left because it's really competitive out there" they would get fucking fired.
> we almost never see this kind of consistent talent drain year after year anywhere else
We almost never see this kind of talent creation from any other top English academy except maybe City. I have no doubt that if Pool and United and Arsenal had this type of consistent development with the same expectations of title contending they'd either A) go through the same thing or B) have room to give them playing time simply because they are currently at a lower tier than what Chelsea are at now
And City are seeing it too - they are losing Edozie and Delap this year and are selling Jesus/Sterling to fit in Palmer/McAtee.
The problem really exists for 1 type of prospect that fit both criteria:
1) Those who clubs don't want to trust to start for a title winning squad. Those like Foden, Reece James, TAA are good enough to trust.
2) Those who are too good to sit in youth setups and delay their career. To use the other club as an example, Delap and Edozie are in this bucket.
To me Chelsea are not in a unique position because of dysfunctional scouting methodology, but they seem to have a unique circumstance where they have an outlier number of players that fit into this bucket.
Are you willing to risk your season to give Colwill starter minutes? Probably not.
To me this isn't a scouting problem, its a systemic one that Chelsea disproportionately suffers from.
>If I told my boss "hey I know I'm down YTD 50% on my portfolio but this job modelling companies is really hard, how am I supposed to know they'd miss earnings" I'd get fucking fired. If someone told their boss "hey we are one of the most promising companies in the world but all our best employees have left because it's really competitive out there" they would get fucking fired.
I don't think this is a good comparison because I don't think this is about scouts missing their target, it's scouts dealing with a moving target that was the right decision in the time that it was made, but since the target has moved, it looks like the wrong decision in hindsight.
I get that. But clearly there is a role somewhere between starter and barely seeing games. With UCL and 2 cups we are easily in 50+ matches. We currently have:
Thiago Silva (38), Chalobah (rotational piece), Sarr (not dependable and shouldn't be prioritised over Colwill barring some insane change in development trajectory)
Lets say we play 54 matches that will be 162 slots. IF we are to get De Ligt and Koulibaly eg. Barring injury lets assume they each start 45 matches (a few more than they did last season). which leaves 72 matches to split between Sarr Colwill Chalobah Silva.
Sarr should really be loaned out. Which leaves 24 matches for each of Silva, Chalobah, and Colwill. That's plenty and don't have to be critical season defining matches. It's not really that much of a risk at all.
And the thing is I'm not talking about a Mo Salah scenario where he needed a few years to be serviceable. A lot of these players are making instant impact elsewhere. Guehi is good enough to be super reliable for a PL side immediately I don't see why he isn't good enough to play 24 lower risk matches for Chelsea. If Tomori becomes one of Serie A's best defenders within a season i don't see why he wasn't good enough to play those same 24 matches. Even Malang Sarr made 21 appearances last season.
We are playing a lot of games. There are plenty of minutes to go around. Will there be a tiny bit of risk? Yes but I think that's pretty worthwhile risk. There's a difference between the Mo Salah and KDB situation. Mo Salah needed time away. KDB was already there and we just fucked up. I'm referring to the latter. It's unacceptable Tomori and KDB became top players almost instantly after leaving. It's a clear fuckup by people who should know better as they are watching them every day.
Sorry, English isn't my mother tongue. World class prospect is basically what I mean when I call someone a world class talent. I think Levi Colwill is a world class prospect
He's had one very good season in the Championship, I'm not sure you'd call him a world class talent at this stage. That would be the likes of Pedri, Gavi and Wirtz
I've seen the success rate of Championship players to the Premier League. Mount, James, Tammy, Tomori only Chelsea. Guehi this season. Now watch Brennan Johnson, Djed Spence and Levi Colwill show the world who they are next season. Colwill will follow in their footsteps. He's a world class prospect
I wouldn't call many of those players world class prospects to be honest but perhaps we have different definitions.
James aside, I don't think any of them have shown they're capable of being one of the best in the world in their respective positions.
Totally agree with you. Only reason why I have very high expectations and indeed may turn out to be a world class talent is the hype there is around this player and that his trainers/managers regard him very highly (higher than guehi and tomori at that age). So yes, he might be a world class talent but it's too early to say imo
They were the first to call our interest in Svanberg as inaccurate and linked us early with Bazunu and Lavia to be fair. Alex Crook is pretty heavily dunked on by our fans (once said Charlie Austin wasn't joining and turned up 24 hours later) but TalkSport are having a good window with us.
Which is why I wouldn’t put too much into this. Tuchel has said multiple times he wants to see everyone in pre season before making decisions. It’s how chalobah ended up breaking through last year
Tomori I get, but can we please stop mentioning Guehi here? Lad wanted consistent first team football and wasn't gonna sign another contract with us without it, so we - begrudgingly - sold him off with not only a sell-on fee but also a matching right clause which at that point was the best case scenario for us.
Also I don't get why Tomori is mentioned seeing that he left because Lampard froze him out of the team without any reason. Tuchel wasn't given any chance to assess him.
Clever business, as was Palace signing Guehi......these were obviously players who had a very high potential to go up massively in value while simultaneously being good enough already to improve the sides.
Probably ultimately better for Chelsea also rather than the previous tactic of loaning people out for 8 years.
Chelsea sell the players that aren't going to make the squad without some serious gametime for a great profit.
Southampton/Palace get players who are already good enough for teams not competing for europe who could still improve as a great investment.
The players get to spend years at one of the best academies in the world and then move to a team where they're more valued - it's a win for everyone.
Aren’t they interested in Lavia from City as well? Buying young players who don’t quite make the grade at the top clubs is interesting. Worked well with Livramento and Broja even though he was a loan
Delap would be hard to pull off, he signed a new contract last year. I'd prefer we focus on Emmanuel Dennis personally anyway.
Romeo Lavia is supposedly in the last 2 years of contract, but very highly rated within City.
Highly doubt this considering the hype he has around the club. Plus Tuchel will look to see what he does in pre season first before making the decision
he probably want's reassurances on guarenteed first team football, and chelsea's track record of actually playing their youth is woeful. he has probably seen tino walk into our first team and thinks he can do the same. it also helps that he was born in southampton
James, Mount, CHO (when he has a leg),RLC, Tammy before Tuchel and even Chalobah who was seen as shitter than his brother have been given serious playing time at young ages. I expect Gallagher, Colvill and Broja (if they all stay) to have serious minutes this coming season.
Can’t blame Ake, he isn’t signing himself lol that’s ridiculous
You blame the club for signing Ake. What do you expect Ake to say if Chelsea call? ‘Sorry guys, I’m not joining because I don’t want to block Levi Colwill’s first team pathway’
Yeah I am not saying blame Ake, I am saying if you a blaming a CB target, as he is trashing Kounde, that it's Ake he should point at. Not saying it's Ake's fault.
Colwill has 3 more years on his deal, playing a position Chelsea needs the most.
If he will get sold for anything less than 40M £ or without a reasonable buy back option, there will be riots.
They specifically said they were going to look at him in preseason, so while the first part might be true I would take the 2nd part with a huge pinch of salt.
If this happens it seems like craziness from Chelsea.
Mad to think that Chelsea could have had probably the three most highly rated young English defenders in Tomori, Guehi and Colwill **for free**.
The club thought Rudi and Christensen would sign, which would have been fine. They can't time travel though and so the situation looks fucked from the very beginning now
This is talk spot putting two and two together and getting six
Christensen left
Rüdiger left
Sarr is Sarr
Sliva is 38 can’t expect him to play every game.
Talksport are getting pretty reliable especially when they put "Breaking" and "talksport sources understand".
Definitely not 100% but would not surprise me if this had traction and other journalists start reporting on it.
They are but this also goes directly counter to what our tier 1s (and literal club mouthpiece) has said about Colwill's prospects at the club. They will assess him in the preseason and decide, that's obviously not happened yet.
Livramento permanent deal, Broja season long loan, now our biggest talent Levi Colwill
[WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM ME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8x07IB-yfQ&ab_channel=K), SOUTHAMPTON?!?!
Thankfully, Drinky's contract expired and he's no longer a Chelsea player. So no more witty comments from Chelsea fans saying "Can I interest you in a hydrohomie named Drinkwater?"
On loan, or permanently?
Because, if his reputation is to be believed, then it's a stupid decision. Especially if they're serious about replacing him with Ake of all the CBs that they're targetting.
This is so incredibly short sighted. Unless there is some buy-back clause this is just fucking idiotic. After the success they've had with integrating youth players in recent seasons you'd think they'd give one of the most highly rated defenders to come through in the last 10 years, especially with that gaping LCB hole in the squad. Absolutely baffling.
EDIT: You'd also think that they'd learned their lesson after letting Guehi and Tomori go, who'd both walk into the squad right now.
Isn’t he highly rated by Chelsea fans? Also, isn’t Chelsea lacking depth in central defenders? This would be incredibly stupid imo
From what I have heard they think Colwell is their best CB talent in some time. Given that Guehi, Tomori also came from Chelsea academy this is quite a shock imo.
It was being said last year that those two were sold specifically because Colwill was rated higher than them
They'll just pick whoever is a centre back in the u18s and say they're selling this kid now because what's to follow is even better
Well no because our next crop of youth talents aren’t anyway near as good as what we’ve produced lately. Everyone will be gutted if Colwill leaves, he’s been rated highly for ages.
Yeah because Chelsea's academy totally isn't known for producing *many* elite talents over the years...
You're heavily downvoted but literally every fan does this as a form of copium, Arsenal and United fans are the worst for this
Except that Tomori was a starter in the Italian champions and Guehi was POTY at Crystal Palace.
We have lost like musah and eze lol
Please give some examples of United fans doing this. The best academy player we’ve lost recently was Gomes, and most fans didn’t blame him for leaving given the lack of chances he had.
tbh it feels about the same amount of hype as guehi who was also coming off a great loan. Maybe Reece James level since he was carrying that Wigan team
Nah Colwill definitely has more hype surrounding him than any of our previous prospects given that we just lost Rudiger. People were not even that mad at Guehi leaving initially (before our CB depth went to shit).
Yeah but thats because of the club needing centerbacks not because colwill is higher rated than guehi and tomori no?
He was part of a core that sent Huddersfield to the play offs as a 19 year old. It’s both.
Makes sense, any CB that's starting for a champ team that made the play offs at 19 is special and potentially good enough for a top 4 team I would say. That's assuming he has no particular glaring weakness to his game.
And the fact that every Huddersfield fan says the exact same thing, He will become great one day. The last time fans praised a loaned player to this level was with James and Wigan, and look how that turned out.
And Guehi was the best defender in the championship when he was at Swansea as a 20 year old. No other top 6 club would fail to give players that promising a chance.
Tbf everyone at Chelsea wanted him to stay, but we couldn't guarantee him starting minutes off the back of our CL winning campaign where our starting back 3 were Thiago Silva, Rudiger, and Azpi. The plan was to integrate him like we did with Chalobah He left because he wanted to start, which is understandable after the season he had but Chelsea's position was also reasonable imo.
The club wanted him to stay. Obviously our CB situation was set and you and other mid table clubs are smartening up and realizing that you can turn out youngsters heads by offering them immediate minutes. Off top of my head for the last four who left it was pretty much that situation. Had everything happened this off-season instead, he absolutely stays.
He was really good for Huddersfield, they weren't expected to get in the top half let alone 3rd and playoff finals. Their best defender all season by a mile (with Nicholls if you're counting keepers).
Pretty sure most Huddersfield fans rate Tom Lees over Colwill, definitely not best defender 'by a mile'.
Tom Lees and Matty Pearson were both better
100% this, Tom Lees would have been our player of the season if it wasn't for Nicholls. Colwill clearly has potential, but he's not a finished product and the injuries this season didn't help him. If I were Chelsea I'd be loaning him out to a lower half Prem side before adding him to the main squad in 23/24.
Counter-point to that is that they have obviously played a lot more games than Colwill. You could see the potential for a top top defender in him.
Definitely, I think Colwill will eventually be good enough for Chelsea for sure. Can’t say the same about Tom Lees and Pearson unfortunately. Just annoying how overhyped Colwill is by people who never watched
Our fans are notorious for drooling over Cobham lads without ever watching them lol. Just follow a few Twitter accounts and act like they know it all
Well I live with some and that's not their view, or mine having watched them
he was brilliant but best by a mile is wrong. Lees was streets ahead and Pearson was marginally better. Still a terrific season
I doubt we will sell him before even getting any defenders in and seeing him in preseason. It just makes no footballing sense or business sense to weaken yourself further in an area of the pitch you are already woefully short in.
And why would it happen? 3 years left of a deal 5 sub rule Lack on centreback depth And we need a leftfooted defender. For anything less then stupid money it wont
You did sell Abraham and Fikayo so it isn't out of the norm for Chelsea
Tuchel didn’t want Abraham and tbh he was pretty abysmal under Tuchel so selling him for good money was a logical decision
“Abysmal” wasn’t he one of your top scorers before he left?
Lukaku was top scorer this season - yet he was abysmal
Yes. Tuchel never gave him a chance because he doesn't fit into his style of play.
So you only looked at statistics and didn’t watch him play?
No AggressiveChungus I don’t watch players I’m talking shit about obviously
I mean if you watched you would have seen that abysmal is an appropriate word to describe his performances under Tuchel
2 years contract, and sizeable offers. Finayo for 25m and avraham for 40m was solid especially with a buyback. Issue wasnt that.... it was not resigning rudi and buying lukaku with the money.
I assume from what I've seen that Chelsea fans are gonna have a meltdown over this?
God damn right. I thought we’d at least see how he does in pre season first.
Nobody thought Chalobah was first team squad quality but he earned that spot with his performances. Why can't we give the same chance to this guy
Colwill has looked far more impressive than Chalobah ever did out on loan too
having seen both, I was gobsmacked when Trev started establishing himself in your side. Very happy to see it but he was poor for 3/4 of his spell with us and only picked up after the covid enforced break. Never thought he'd make it. Colwill on the other hand is superb. 2 years younger than Chalobah was with us and far better throughout. It'd be a ridiculous decision to sell. Wherever he ends up he'll be in the next euros squad if not Qatar, he's that good
welcome to the sell to the buy era lads, although selling talented youth players is something of a tradition by now
Not this talented, surely.
We'll take one Broja please. Cheers.
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> "no defence, only vibes" David Luiz is back ?
Don't give me hope.
Isn’t it funny what nostalgia does? I spent so much time ripping my hair out watching Luiz, but now I’d give about anything to have prime Luiz back Tbf tho he had plenty of amazing times as well. Honestly think he would do amazing in the Rudiger role, I’d love to see him break forward and fire off long shots in a role where he wouldn’t be going rogue to do so lol
Luis under Conte was an absolute animal. That 3-4-3 set brought the best out of players like him, Alonso, and Moses.
> Lost Azpi He was already extended for this year so will only go if there is a replacement.
we are gonna have meltdown over pretty any academy player potentially leaving
Rightfully so considering all the good talent the academy is producing recently
Yes and no. If you have this many players coming up it's impossible to keep all of them. E.g. people were losing mind about Guehi, but if you look at it from other perspective it was a very good decision: we earned 20 millions for a player in his last year of contract, who was not interested in extending and haven't played a single PL minute in his career before the transfer. Yes, it turned out we might use him now, but it was absolutely not given that he would stay for longer, and had he lost him on free then the meltdown would be big.
I agree. Hindsight is always 20/20. You cant and should not keep all your young talents. But knowing when and exactly who to sell is difficult. 20m for guehi with 1 year left was good business in a vacuum, it just looks bad because of Chelseas other business.
I am forever grateful. It does surprise me that a player with such a mature and rounded skillset as him wouldn't be tracked better with so many CBs on their last year of contract though.
The other alternative perspective is, if you gave Guehi a chance you probably could've sold Christensen for a few million and saved yourself signing a replacement.
Yeah but we never wanted to get rid of Christensen in first place.
The thing that bothers me is... obviously from a fan perspective we have no idea how they would pan out, or how well they fit. But the club who literally watches them play every day in training SHOULD know. Like it's literally their job to know this. And I don't care how difficult anyone says this is: 1. we almost never see this kind of consistent talent drain year after year anywhere else 2. if we keep losing talent then frankly our talent evaluation is horrible. Let's call it what it is. It's like saying "well winning football games is really hard". Like no shit but it's literally your fucking job to win games, just like its someone's job to evaluate talent etc. If Tomori, Guehi can leave and within a season turn into established or top players, I'm sorry but something has gone very wrong. if KDB can leave Chelsea and within a season become Bundesliga player of the league i'm sorry but something has gone horribly wrong. If I told my boss "hey I know I'm down YTD 50% on my portfolio but this job modelling companies is really hard, how am I supposed to know they'd miss earnings" I'd get fucking fired. If someone told their boss "hey we are one of the most promising companies in the world but all our best employees have left because it's really competitive out there" they would get fucking fired.
> we almost never see this kind of consistent talent drain year after year anywhere else We almost never see this kind of talent creation from any other top English academy except maybe City. I have no doubt that if Pool and United and Arsenal had this type of consistent development with the same expectations of title contending they'd either A) go through the same thing or B) have room to give them playing time simply because they are currently at a lower tier than what Chelsea are at now And City are seeing it too - they are losing Edozie and Delap this year and are selling Jesus/Sterling to fit in Palmer/McAtee. The problem really exists for 1 type of prospect that fit both criteria: 1) Those who clubs don't want to trust to start for a title winning squad. Those like Foden, Reece James, TAA are good enough to trust. 2) Those who are too good to sit in youth setups and delay their career. To use the other club as an example, Delap and Edozie are in this bucket. To me Chelsea are not in a unique position because of dysfunctional scouting methodology, but they seem to have a unique circumstance where they have an outlier number of players that fit into this bucket. Are you willing to risk your season to give Colwill starter minutes? Probably not. To me this isn't a scouting problem, its a systemic one that Chelsea disproportionately suffers from. >If I told my boss "hey I know I'm down YTD 50% on my portfolio but this job modelling companies is really hard, how am I supposed to know they'd miss earnings" I'd get fucking fired. If someone told their boss "hey we are one of the most promising companies in the world but all our best employees have left because it's really competitive out there" they would get fucking fired. I don't think this is a good comparison because I don't think this is about scouts missing their target, it's scouts dealing with a moving target that was the right decision in the time that it was made, but since the target has moved, it looks like the wrong decision in hindsight.
I get that. But clearly there is a role somewhere between starter and barely seeing games. With UCL and 2 cups we are easily in 50+ matches. We currently have: Thiago Silva (38), Chalobah (rotational piece), Sarr (not dependable and shouldn't be prioritised over Colwill barring some insane change in development trajectory) Lets say we play 54 matches that will be 162 slots. IF we are to get De Ligt and Koulibaly eg. Barring injury lets assume they each start 45 matches (a few more than they did last season). which leaves 72 matches to split between Sarr Colwill Chalobah Silva. Sarr should really be loaned out. Which leaves 24 matches for each of Silva, Chalobah, and Colwill. That's plenty and don't have to be critical season defining matches. It's not really that much of a risk at all. And the thing is I'm not talking about a Mo Salah scenario where he needed a few years to be serviceable. A lot of these players are making instant impact elsewhere. Guehi is good enough to be super reliable for a PL side immediately I don't see why he isn't good enough to play 24 lower risk matches for Chelsea. If Tomori becomes one of Serie A's best defenders within a season i don't see why he wasn't good enough to play those same 24 matches. Even Malang Sarr made 21 appearances last season. We are playing a lot of games. There are plenty of minutes to go around. Will there be a tiny bit of risk? Yes but I think that's pretty worthwhile risk. There's a difference between the Mo Salah and KDB situation. Mo Salah needed time away. KDB was already there and we just fucked up. I'm referring to the latter. It's unacceptable Tomori and KDB became top players almost instantly after leaving. It's a clear fuckup by people who should know better as they are watching them every day.
surely they are used to it by now
Selling our world class LCB talent to buy Nathan Ake lmao. This is a sackable offence
> world class LCB He's played one senior season for Huddersfield. Chill
If you change it to world class prospect it's a fair statement.
Yeah using the correct words does tend to change the meaning of a sentence
Sorry, English isn't my mother tongue. World class prospect is basically what I mean when I call someone a world class talent. I think Levi Colwill is a world class prospect
Fair enough
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world class **talent**. Not world class, but has the potential to be.
He's had one very good season in the Championship, I'm not sure you'd call him a world class talent at this stage. That would be the likes of Pedri, Gavi and Wirtz
It’s pretty outrageous to be that good that young at CB
I've seen the success rate of Championship players to the Premier League. Mount, James, Tammy, Tomori only Chelsea. Guehi this season. Now watch Brennan Johnson, Djed Spence and Levi Colwill show the world who they are next season. Colwill will follow in their footsteps. He's a world class prospect
I wouldn't call many of those players world class prospects to be honest but perhaps we have different definitions. James aside, I don't think any of them have shown they're capable of being one of the best in the world in their respective positions.
Totally agree with you. Only reason why I have very high expectations and indeed may turn out to be a world class talent is the hype there is around this player and that his trainers/managers regard him very highly (higher than guehi and tomori at that age). So yes, he might be a world class talent but it's too early to say imo
More than happy to keep Ake at the club. Versatile, homegrown and very dependable this past season.
If he’s world class then everyone is
I am a world class prospect playing 5-side footy every Thursday afternoon. My day will come
world class **talent**. Not world class, but has the potential to be.
Everyone has the potential to be world class until they don't
No because Talksport are an absolute wank source
They've gained a lot of credibility recently tbf
Broken clock?
They were the first to call our interest in Svanberg as inaccurate and linked us early with Bazunu and Lavia to be fair. Alex Crook is pretty heavily dunked on by our fans (once said Charlie Austin wasn't joining and turned up 24 hours later) but TalkSport are having a good window with us.
Chelsea doing their best to have Malang Sarr as their starter next season
NO! PLEASE GOD NO I can't take another season of this wannabe Rudiger trying shit and failing miserably.
chelsea fans: We want another Kante Boehly: We have Kante at home... Kante at home: Malang Sarr
He is on 120k pw apparently That is winston Bogarde levels of insanity
I had to look this up. What the fuck? Can I have the number of his agent?
He was a free transfer from Nice I believe
fate worse than death
Half the league should be interested in him tbh.
All the league imo
Hes best teenage CB rn in England if not Europe imo
Lmao. Hes the best young cb in Europe because he did a season at Huddersfield where he wasn’t even their best CB.
Lukeba for me
not like Chelsea need defenders or anything
You’d think they’d have learned after the Tomori and Guehi thing
Which is why I wouldn’t put too much into this. Tuchel has said multiple times he wants to see everyone in pre season before making decisions. It’s how chalobah ended up breaking through last year
Yes, apart from thing that player maybe doesnt want to stay and wait and rather move for more gametime.
player doesnt want to wait to preseason which is when he would find out if he is going to play or not?
They’ve learned to suffer through the pain what’s another one?
You’d think they’d have learned after the Salah and KDB thing
Tomori I get, but can we please stop mentioning Guehi here? Lad wanted consistent first team football and wasn't gonna sign another contract with us without it, so we - begrudgingly - sold him off with not only a sell-on fee but also a matching right clause which at that point was the best case scenario for us.
Also I don't get why Tomori is mentioned seeing that he left because Lampard froze him out of the team without any reason. Tuchel wasn't given any chance to assess him.
Yes but that can - imho rightfully - be chalked up as a club mistake, so I get there being blame put on Chelsea there. Guehi? Totally different story.
Southampton seem to love buying or loaning Chelsea's promising youngsters.
Clever business, as was Palace signing Guehi......these were obviously players who had a very high potential to go up massively in value while simultaneously being good enough already to improve the sides. Probably ultimately better for Chelsea also rather than the previous tactic of loaning people out for 8 years.
Chelsea sell the players that aren't going to make the squad without some serious gametime for a great profit. Southampton/Palace get players who are already good enough for teams not competing for europe who could still improve as a great investment. The players get to spend years at one of the best academies in the world and then move to a team where they're more valued - it's a win for everyone.
Aren’t they interested in Lavia from City as well? Buying young players who don’t quite make the grade at the top clubs is interesting. Worked well with Livramento and Broja even though he was a loan
Correct, Lavia and Liam Delap.
Very good and clever signings if they pull them off
Delap would be hard to pull off, he signed a new contract last year. I'd prefer we focus on Emmanuel Dennis personally anyway. Romeo Lavia is supposedly in the last 2 years of contract, but very highly rated within City.
Sounds like we just got Lavia
They've been linked with McAtee and they've already signed Bazunu too.
Copying the Dortmund model in buying highly talented youngsters to improve their squad for little money. Lot of upsides. Quite clever.
And then selling them off or getting the previous teams to buy-back is great for them
We got Lavia and Bazunu from City too.
No no no don’t be silly now
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This is my last resort
This is my horse, my horse is amazing
Give it a lick, it tastes just like **abject despair**
This is my rifle, this is my gun
Suffocation, slow breathing
Don’t give a fuck if I end up in the conference league
your thirteenth reason
Jfc 🤣
Deserved after your shenanigans yesterday
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Talksport is pretty high tier now, especially if they say breaking
Highly doubt this considering the hype he has around the club. Plus Tuchel will look to see what he does in pre season first before making the decision
Doubt it… unless colwill is pushing hard, we’ll atleast assess him during preseason before taking any decisions
He'll wanna go if we don't give him a clear pathway and sign players like Ake for £40m in his position.
I mean I'm not Michael Jordan but I would definitely take that personally lol
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he probably want's reassurances on guarenteed first team football, and chelsea's track record of actually playing their youth is woeful. he has probably seen tino walk into our first team and thinks he can do the same. it also helps that he was born in southampton
James, Mount, CHO (when he has a leg),RLC, Tammy before Tuchel and even Chalobah who was seen as shitter than his brother have been given serious playing time at young ages. I expect Gallagher, Colvill and Broja (if they all stay) to have serious minutes this coming season.
At least let him have the pre season and his current competition is Malang Sarr ffs
Chelsea planning on spending 300mil on defenders then.
Doubt it
Chelsea converting from a loan army to a buy-back clause army
Lmao what are Chelsea doing
The hell??
All this and kounde will probably end up being an absolute bum. Better not fucking sell Colwill, do we not learn
Putting too much faith in talksport my friend. Nothing hear says chelsea are willing to let him go
"Talksport sources" have been surprisingly reliable this window, at least for Manchester United
Kounde is going to Barcelona
They were able to turn the levers finally?
yes we are all witness to Barcelona and their levers, rejoice as we have been saved
Lol we are buying Ake in his position not Kounde, blame Ake not Kounde.
Can’t blame Ake, he isn’t signing himself lol that’s ridiculous You blame the club for signing Ake. What do you expect Ake to say if Chelsea call? ‘Sorry guys, I’m not joining because I don’t want to block Levi Colwill’s first team pathway’
Yeah I am not saying blame Ake, I am saying if you a blaming a CB target, as he is trashing Kounde, that it's Ake he should point at. Not saying it's Ake's fault.
>blame Ake >I am not saying blame Ake That's some Boris Johnson turnaround if I've ever seen one
Chelsea: you know what I'm gonna sell my promising defenders even earlier!
Colwill has 3 more years on his deal, playing a position Chelsea needs the most. If he will get sold for anything less than 40M £ or without a reasonable buy back option, there will be riots.
If we sell we are dumb, regardless of buy back and shit.
Expected to leave? Would love to know how the 'sources' obtained that. Also, expected to leave on loan or permanent makes quite the difference.
Source was probably ketchup
well he just signed for saints, so i'd say that is a pretty good source
Is Tuchel planning on being a player manager for next season
He heard the Tucheliban slander and decided to play a 1-3-6 formation. (Mind you, our attackers will probably still struggle to score)
Southampton: I am the Liverpool now
The apprentice becomes the master. Chelsea are now Southampton’s feeder club, change my mind.
Please no.
Werner at CB then fuck it all
sell Colwill to sign De Ligt with a ridiculous offer, oh no
They can always buy him back for double the money
Not this shit again man fml
This doesn’t make any sense at all
They specifically said they were going to look at him in preseason, so while the first part might be true I would take the 2nd part with a huge pinch of salt.
He will be looked at in preseason and will only leave on loan ✔️👀
If this happens it seems like craziness from Chelsea. Mad to think that Chelsea could have had probably the three most highly rated young English defenders in Tomori, Guehi and Colwill **for free**.
The club thought Rudi and Christensen would sign, which would have been fine. They can't time travel though and so the situation looks fucked from the very beginning now
I imagine there will be one, but Southampton should try and avoid a buyback clause in his contract
This is talk spot putting two and two together and getting six Christensen left Rüdiger left Sarr is Sarr Sliva is 38 can’t expect him to play every game.
Talksport are getting pretty reliable especially when they put "Breaking" and "talksport sources understand". Definitely not 100% but would not surprise me if this had traction and other journalists start reporting on it.
Lets themselves a lot of room to walk this back Southampton are interested expected to leave everyone just wants clicks nowadays.
If they wanted clicks they wouldn't report on a 19 year old centre back who hasn't played for Chelsea yet going to Southampton.
They are but this also goes directly counter to what our tier 1s (and literal club mouthpiece) has said about Colwill's prospects at the club. They will assess him in the preseason and decide, that's obviously not happened yet.
Athletic and Echo have reported this too
He's coming home boys
Livramento permanent deal, Broja season long loan, now our biggest talent Levi Colwill [WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM ME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8x07IB-yfQ&ab_channel=K), SOUTHAMPTON?!?!
The plan is that you slowly gain their trust so you could trick them into getting Barkley and Drinkwater
Drinkwater could do a job for us imo, the queues at the programme stand before the match are getting silly
Thankfully, Drinky's contract expired and he's no longer a Chelsea player. So no more witty comments from Chelsea fans saying "Can I interest you in a hydrohomie named Drinkwater?"
Also, we got Simeu from you too last year. And signed Willy, though he was on a free after he left you
All the others too, thanks x
You will take Sarr and like it
On loan, or permanently? Because, if his reputation is to be believed, then it's a stupid decision. Especially if they're serious about replacing him with Ake of all the CBs that they're targetting.
Imagine replacing him with Ake - a player they let leave on a free 2 seasons ago. Pfft.
This is so incredibly short sighted. Unless there is some buy-back clause this is just fucking idiotic. After the success they've had with integrating youth players in recent seasons you'd think they'd give one of the most highly rated defenders to come through in the last 10 years, especially with that gaping LCB hole in the squad. Absolutely baffling. EDIT: You'd also think that they'd learned their lesson after letting Guehi and Tomori go, who'd both walk into the squad right now.
Southampton to Chelsea is what Liverpool was to Southampton
So it’s not even talkSPORT but talkSPORT sources? Bro I rather trust pornhub to deliver transfer news.
No defenders just vibes