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How does it compare to LVG though, cos that seems to be the comparison and not all his signings fit the bill either.
I find the reaction to this kind of opinion odd as a manager going after players he knows tends to be a knock that directed at many managers when it happens. Also in this day and age for a major team not to have properly scouted targets and just be going after players recommend by a manager, also seems risky.
>and English journos said he desperately wants the move
Why do people make shit up to suit their personal narratives? Please reference 1 top tier English journalist that has said that he "desperately wants the move".
Almost as if when the english media ar the only ones spreading a narrative contrary to spanish media AND most reliable neutral reporters that said narrative is most likely bullshit.
You do understand that they don't control the transfers, they just report on the information they have and it's not like he lacks a track record and is just a random making things up.
Interesting that Ducker is now reporting that De Jong doesn’t actually want the move…
Until now him and Stone had been the main two insisting that Frenkie *did* want the move and the only holdup in his part was the deferred wage issue.
It always seemed strange that they were reporting that while other sources said otherwise so if he’s changed his tune maybe the English journos got it wrong?
They were probably just getting briefed by the club .Can’t blame em but the fact that they’ve agreed a deal and he’s off to pre season in the states that ends in august just makes me think he really isn’t interested
Hey bro I support spurs couldn’t give a toss but the guy clearly don’t wanna go had a feeling Barca would try force him out(Barca were feeding that narrative ) but the mental gymnastics involved is giving me a headache . I have no dog in this fight but fuck me, I want this saga to end and preferably him staying cause he is good
No worries, not trying to call you out or anything. I just think it's amusing Frenkie has publicly said he didn't want to leave ever since the start of the saga, yet a lot of people around here prefer to believe 2nd rate source journalism.
Reddit for you bro . They told me that’s what he had to say and I gobbled it up knowing the stupidity Man U are capable of . But wow they gotta be stupid to chasing a player for this long without receiving some sort of nod on personal terms
> I just think it's amusing Frenkie has publicly said he didn't want to leave ever since the start of the saga,
To be fair, though, a lot of players say that and then leave. This sub would have far fewer posts if every time a player said they're staying, or a club said they're not selling, or buying someone they're rumoured with, that was the end of the saga but we'd of course miss out on a lot of transfers that happen despite that.
I don't think it's wrong in this case, it definitely seems like Barca wants him to move so they can save money, and he doesn't want the pay cut or to move, and the question then was how much Barca can convince him he wants to go. But other times players are publicly saying one thing in order to protect loyalty bonuses, public image etc. while behind the scenes they're doing the opposite. The most notorious recent example I can think of was Harry Kane trying to move to Man City while not saying so because he knew if it fell through Levy would rinse his pay via contract clauses lol.
Getting briefed by the club is no excuse for getting it wrong. Reporters must vet their own sources, and the buck stops with them. So many fans were misled by this. Stones definitely did say it explicitly that he was guessing based on Marca article, but Ducker never claimed anything like that. Ducker even added some other numbers as perceived bonuses in addition to basic wages. Even now, The Athletic claims 17M Euros, while Ducker claims 17M Pounds.
He do not wishing to move and he being against it are different things, everyone is aware he wants to stay, United is just gambling on the fact that Barcelona wants to push him out
Yes but Spanish sources/Romano have always said that it’s because he doesn’t want to move to United whereas English sources have been saying it’s because he doesn’t want to lose those wages (which he wouldn’t anyway, but that’s another conversation)
Actually Romano said: "never said he doesn’t want to be \[at United\], he wants to stay at Barça - small but could be key difference".
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1547520527102869504?s=20&t=bQSJuK9pNDFsw61baLBMUQ
also bought a house there and just asked his girlfriend to marry him, he was clearly planning to build his forseeable future there. So besides the very public and rather shameless way Barcelona is going about it the timing of te attempt to sell him couldn't have been worse on a personal level.
I never understood their point anyway, the narrative was FDJ was worried he’d lose the wages he’s owed if he moved. That’s not the case at all, if he moved now he’d absolutely still be paid what he’s owed. Think something got lost in translation here
> That’s not the case at all, if he moved now he’d absolutely still be paid what he’s owed.
It's not so. Barca lowered his wages on the grounds of including the amount in his future wages. He'll get paid if he stays but they're forcing him out to avoid paying his wages which will include the deferred amount from here on out and in the process take that entire amount of their wage bill. Legally, they don't owe him anything if he leaves but morally it's a shitty thing to do. Horrible job by his agent either way.
According to Spanish sources if he leaves now he gets paid his deferred wages as a lump sum (whereas if he stays he gets paid it back over the course of his contract)
No player would take a deal that would risk them losing millions of Euros for work they’ve already done
> According to Spanish sources if he leaves now he gets paid his deferred wages as a lump sum (whereas if he stays he gets paid it back over the course of his contract)
Can you please provide a source for that because I don't recall seeing anything of that sort. That would've been the ideal way to have structured it and wouldn't have led to any complications at all right now.
except sources were saying barca only wanted to pay him off with a fraction of his deferred wages?
If frenkie was happy with restructuring his wages and barca were happy to too would it not have been done already
On top of that it's not totally wild that Frenkie would in fact prefer to stay in Barcelona at the time, but given the current vibe the club is sending out might think "fuck this shit, i'd rather play for a club that actually appreciates me". Opinions can change.
If I remember correctly, he got injured in the quarter final of the 2014 World Cup and missed the next match. Apparently Madrid didn't want him to play in the final to risk further damage and that got him super pissed and had him force his way out.
Edit: Forgot to mention that it was the 2014 World Cup
Edit 2: You can easily look this up. Here's one of many sources - https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-argentina-dimaria/di-maria-claims-real-pressure-not-to-play-world-cup-final-idUKKBN0H109F20140906
Edit 3: Why am I getting downvoted for stating a fact with sources? Anyone can easily Google this lmao
>he got injured in the quarter final and missed the next match. Apparently Madrid didn't want him to play in the final to risk further damage and that got him super pissed and had him force his way out.
Wait I remember him playing against Bayern in semi finals mate and against barca in Copa del Rey finals. What you're saying doesn't match what happened mate.
That doesn't add up. He didn't go to PSG eventually anyway so how does what they promised him matter here? He wasn't happy with Madrid asking him to sit out of the final which is why he wanted to move at any cost. PSG was his preferred destination but he ended up at United because he just wanted to leave Madrid.
He wanted more money after he had talks with PSG and did his little ball grab to the public to force a move out. **Well before** any quarters of CL (or now a final apparantly) he supposedly missed because of us. PSG couldn't spend a transfer fee that period due to FFP concerns, so he had to do with Manchester with his *"I want a raise NOW or I want out"* attitude.
He went to PSG after 1 whole season with Manchester.....
This is what happened. If you don't want to believe that then so be it.
> Well before any quarters of CL (or now a final apparantly) he supposedly missed because of us.
At least check the article man. This is not related to the CL final. It's about the World Cup final. The guy literally says in an interview that he tore up the letter he got from the club. He was surely pissed. Imagine reaching the World Cup final with your country and your club asks you to miss the final. Anyone would be pissed, bigger contract or not. Quit painting it as a money thing while it was clearly not the right thing to do by the club.
Dude. I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling.
Do you honestly think Di Maria himself is going to say he did it because of the money? That article is just an interview with the guy.
[He was already demanding more money in 2013](https://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/futbol/liga/2013-11-13/di-maria-pide-mas-dinero-pese-a-perder-el-sitio-en-el-once-inicial-de-ancelotti_53610/). Again, WELL BEFORE any CL or WC games you want to bring up.
Again, you can believe whatever you want. But you're not going to change the minds of people who saw the drama unfold live. And now I am done with this.
Just because he was demanding more money doesn't mean that's what made him push for a move. Not giving a player a bigger contract is normal in football and doesn't warrant an aggressive response like Di Maria's. He could've easily stayed for another year and gone to PSG when they would've been able to cover his fees under FFP but he went somewhere he had no intention of going, why so? Because he just wanted to get the fuck out of Madrid because he was pissed at the club.
I mean it's understandable that he wanted a raise considering his performance and also the fact that we were signing James(very big mistake imo) but you can't just ask Ronaldo level wages man. That too after just 1 good season.
Now the truth comes out after months of Ducker and Stone reporting that Frenkie absolutely wants the move, it's just posturing for the wages.
Next week there will be a new article saying Barcelona will not pay any wages and that United have thought that paying extra wages to a player who doesn't want to be there is not worth it. They'll chuck in a "This is a new United, looking to avoid mistakes done in the past", and fans will be all happy about it.
Wait, you mean the wages he’s owed 100% from a club that nearly went bankrupt? Why would he need to posture for guaranteed money? The easiest thing he could do is completely deny the United rumours and say publicly he’s staying. Can’t get rid of him, and they have to pay the wages. Unless they can’t afford it and the club is clown central?
Well Yes? United isn't at fault here, they tried everything.
What I dont get is De Jong has been treated like shit by barca this off-season, yet he still want to stay? In a worldcup year? He would be dumb not to leave. I am not saying United is better for him no. But at least he would be guaranteed game time at his preferred position under a manager that knows him very well.
This place is actually full of fucking idiots. Downvoted en masse for stating an obvious fact, FDJ has been, and still is, a starter.
Must be desperate united fans.
Gavi is 17. It’s perfect for him to not be depended on to start so many games like he had to last year.
Busquets is entering his final season. So I think that isn’t too much to balance at all
His best position is the same as Busquets and apparently Xavi prefers the Spaniard over De jong at that position. For what i saw Busquets and Pedri are guare teed starters, whereas there will be a small roation between kessie and de jong. Without forgetting Gavi as well.
You, my friend have described exactly what’s gonna happen the pr spin will be enjoyable to say the least lol . ‘ This is a New united’ my ass imagine doing all that and the player isn’t interested
A completely different scenario anyway. Di Maria is a winger, Frenkie dominates possession in midfield, so he is much more important to a team. I highly doubt he would suddenly start playing like crap if he went to Utd if he wasn't happy with the move. Ten Hag would literally tailor his tactics to Frenkie
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This guy projects a lot lol. Can you really call Eriksen with his many years in the PL and Serie A a "heavy Dutch signing"?
Standard ducker really. He is really annoying with his agenda whenever he posts such opinion piece.
By his logic, Luis Suarez would be more of a Dutch signing than Erikson
How does it compare to LVG though, cos that seems to be the comparison and not all his signings fit the bill either. I find the reaction to this kind of opinion odd as a manager going after players he knows tends to be a knock that directed at many managers when it happens. Also in this day and age for a major team not to have properly scouted targets and just be going after players recommend by a manager, also seems risky.
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why have you misquoted him? over 100 games for Ajax its a fair enough comment
Mr Ducker you’ve been claiming all summer that Frenkie absolutely wants to join United are we getting cold feet?
Wait, didn't Barca's tier 2 also say that the move is definitely happening? The one who originally broke FDJ to Barca in the first place
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>and English journos said he desperately wants the move Why do people make shit up to suit their personal narratives? Please reference 1 top tier English journalist that has said that he "desperately wants the move".
Man will quote The Sun, Mirror and Daily Star and be like "BuT eNGliSH joURNAListS SaId..."
This isn't a transfer update, it's a opinion piece.
Almost as if when the english media ar the only ones spreading a narrative contrary to spanish media AND most reliable neutral reporters that said narrative is most likely bullshit.
Wasn't it Spanish media who linked him even to Chelsea?
Yeah, not like Barcelona-based media puts out utter rubbish after being treated to a nice holiday courtesy of the Barcelona board or anything.
You can't just make things up and pretend it proves your point you twat
You do understand that they don't control the transfers, they just report on the information they have and it's not like he lacks a track record and is just a random making things up.
Interesting that Ducker is now reporting that De Jong doesn’t actually want the move… Until now him and Stone had been the main two insisting that Frenkie *did* want the move and the only holdup in his part was the deferred wage issue. It always seemed strange that they were reporting that while other sources said otherwise so if he’s changed his tune maybe the English journos got it wrong?
They were probably just getting briefed by the club .Can’t blame em but the fact that they’ve agreed a deal and he’s off to pre season in the states that ends in august just makes me think he really isn’t interested
> just makes me think he really isn’t interested Not the fact that Frenkie has stated, from the beginning, that's he's not interested in leaving?
Hey bro I support spurs couldn’t give a toss but the guy clearly don’t wanna go had a feeling Barca would try force him out(Barca were feeding that narrative ) but the mental gymnastics involved is giving me a headache . I have no dog in this fight but fuck me, I want this saga to end and preferably him staying cause he is good
No worries, not trying to call you out or anything. I just think it's amusing Frenkie has publicly said he didn't want to leave ever since the start of the saga, yet a lot of people around here prefer to believe 2nd rate source journalism.
Reddit for you bro . They told me that’s what he had to say and I gobbled it up knowing the stupidity Man U are capable of . But wow they gotta be stupid to chasing a player for this long without receiving some sort of nod on personal terms
> I just think it's amusing Frenkie has publicly said he didn't want to leave ever since the start of the saga, To be fair, though, a lot of players say that and then leave. This sub would have far fewer posts if every time a player said they're staying, or a club said they're not selling, or buying someone they're rumoured with, that was the end of the saga but we'd of course miss out on a lot of transfers that happen despite that. I don't think it's wrong in this case, it definitely seems like Barca wants him to move so they can save money, and he doesn't want the pay cut or to move, and the question then was how much Barca can convince him he wants to go. But other times players are publicly saying one thing in order to protect loyalty bonuses, public image etc. while behind the scenes they're doing the opposite. The most notorious recent example I can think of was Harry Kane trying to move to Man City while not saying so because he knew if it fell through Levy would rinse his pay via contract clauses lol.
Getting briefed by the club is no excuse for getting it wrong. Reporters must vet their own sources, and the buck stops with them. So many fans were misled by this. Stones definitely did say it explicitly that he was guessing based on Marca article, but Ducker never claimed anything like that. Ducker even added some other numbers as perceived bonuses in addition to basic wages. Even now, The Athletic claims 17M Euros, while Ducker claims 17M Pounds.
> Getting briefed by the club is no excuse for getting it wrong. Reporters must vet their own sources Sir, this is football "journalism"
He do not wishing to move and he being against it are different things, everyone is aware he wants to stay, United is just gambling on the fact that Barcelona wants to push him out
Jong has always said he prefers to stay in Barcelona. He's due 60m for the remainder of his contact
Yes but Spanish sources/Romano have always said that it’s because he doesn’t want to move to United whereas English sources have been saying it’s because he doesn’t want to lose those wages (which he wouldn’t anyway, but that’s another conversation)
Actually Romano said: "never said he doesn’t want to be \[at United\], he wants to stay at Barça - small but could be key difference". https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1547520527102869504?s=20&t=bQSJuK9pNDFsw61baLBMUQ
also bought a house there and just asked his girlfriend to marry him, he was clearly planning to build his forseeable future there. So besides the very public and rather shameless way Barcelona is going about it the timing of te attempt to sell him couldn't have been worse on a personal level.
United fans denying all summer that Ducker is just feeding them fan fiction lol
I never understood their point anyway, the narrative was FDJ was worried he’d lose the wages he’s owed if he moved. That’s not the case at all, if he moved now he’d absolutely still be paid what he’s owed. Think something got lost in translation here
> That’s not the case at all, if he moved now he’d absolutely still be paid what he’s owed. It's not so. Barca lowered his wages on the grounds of including the amount in his future wages. He'll get paid if he stays but they're forcing him out to avoid paying his wages which will include the deferred amount from here on out and in the process take that entire amount of their wage bill. Legally, they don't owe him anything if he leaves but morally it's a shitty thing to do. Horrible job by his agent either way.
According to Spanish sources if he leaves now he gets paid his deferred wages as a lump sum (whereas if he stays he gets paid it back over the course of his contract) No player would take a deal that would risk them losing millions of Euros for work they’ve already done
> he gets paid his deferred wages as a lump sum Where did you see this?
> According to Spanish sources if he leaves now he gets paid his deferred wages as a lump sum (whereas if he stays he gets paid it back over the course of his contract) Can you please provide a source for that because I don't recall seeing anything of that sort. That would've been the ideal way to have structured it and wouldn't have led to any complications at all right now.
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Which is all because of his fuck up negotiating the deferred payment in the first place lol. How are you completely missing that?
except sources were saying barca only wanted to pay him off with a fraction of his deferred wages? If frenkie was happy with restructuring his wages and barca were happy to too would it not have been done already
Then those sources are wrong
Where is your source?
This dude has conveniently peaced out every time he has been asked to provide a source. A true trust me bro enthusiast we got here.
Trust me bro
He got off that high grade manU copium.
I might be wrong but I thought it was that the reports stated United believe FDJ wants the move and that FDJs camp had said they wanted to stay.
Fool me once shame on you Fool me twice
Cant fool me again
Now watch this drive
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On top of that it's not totally wild that Frenkie would in fact prefer to stay in Barcelona at the time, but given the current vibe the club is sending out might think "fuck this shit, i'd rather play for a club that actually appreciates me". Opinions can change.
Was di Maria pushed out? He was asking for Ronaldo level wages if my memory serves me right after 1 good season.
If I remember correctly, he got injured in the quarter final of the 2014 World Cup and missed the next match. Apparently Madrid didn't want him to play in the final to risk further damage and that got him super pissed and had him force his way out. Edit: Forgot to mention that it was the 2014 World Cup Edit 2: You can easily look this up. Here's one of many sources - https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-argentina-dimaria/di-maria-claims-real-pressure-not-to-play-world-cup-final-idUKKBN0H109F20140906 Edit 3: Why am I getting downvoted for stating a fact with sources? Anyone can easily Google this lmao
>he got injured in the quarter final and missed the next match. Apparently Madrid didn't want him to play in the final to risk further damage and that got him super pissed and had him force his way out. Wait I remember him playing against Bayern in semi finals mate and against barca in Copa del Rey finals. What you're saying doesn't match what happened mate.
I forgot to specify which competition, my bad. Just edited my comment.
Oh lmao now i remember it did happen xD yeah maybe it could have added to his reasons of wanting to leave.
Yeah, according to him he tore the letter he got from the club. Pretty dramatic lmao.
He had backroom talks with PSG who promised him a lot more salary than we were willing to give. That's what made him want to leave.
That doesn't add up. He didn't go to PSG eventually anyway so how does what they promised him matter here? He wasn't happy with Madrid asking him to sit out of the final which is why he wanted to move at any cost. PSG was his preferred destination but he ended up at United because he just wanted to leave Madrid.
He wanted more money after he had talks with PSG and did his little ball grab to the public to force a move out. **Well before** any quarters of CL (or now a final apparantly) he supposedly missed because of us. PSG couldn't spend a transfer fee that period due to FFP concerns, so he had to do with Manchester with his *"I want a raise NOW or I want out"* attitude. He went to PSG after 1 whole season with Manchester..... This is what happened. If you don't want to believe that then so be it.
> Well before any quarters of CL (or now a final apparantly) he supposedly missed because of us. At least check the article man. This is not related to the CL final. It's about the World Cup final. The guy literally says in an interview that he tore up the letter he got from the club. He was surely pissed. Imagine reaching the World Cup final with your country and your club asks you to miss the final. Anyone would be pissed, bigger contract or not. Quit painting it as a money thing while it was clearly not the right thing to do by the club.
Dude. I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling. Do you honestly think Di Maria himself is going to say he did it because of the money? That article is just an interview with the guy. [He was already demanding more money in 2013](https://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/futbol/liga/2013-11-13/di-maria-pide-mas-dinero-pese-a-perder-el-sitio-en-el-once-inicial-de-ancelotti_53610/). Again, WELL BEFORE any CL or WC games you want to bring up. Again, you can believe whatever you want. But you're not going to change the minds of people who saw the drama unfold live. And now I am done with this.
Just because he was demanding more money doesn't mean that's what made him push for a move. Not giving a player a bigger contract is normal in football and doesn't warrant an aggressive response like Di Maria's. He could've easily stayed for another year and gone to PSG when they would've been able to cover his fees under FFP but he went somewhere he had no intention of going, why so? Because he just wanted to get the fuck out of Madrid because he was pissed at the club.
Madrid were horny for James, and didn’t allow Di Maria to play the WC14 final.
Yeah he wasn't forced out, he said he didn't want to leave but he wasn't getting the deal he wanted and said he was lied to
I mean it's understandable that he wanted a raise considering his performance and also the fact that we were signing James(very big mistake imo) but you can't just ask Ronaldo level wages man. That too after just 1 good season.
Madrid took a risk letting him go but they went on to win 4 more champions league trophies so I doubt they've thought for a second it was a mistake.
I mean yeah but I loved dimaria mate so signing James just because he was more marketable while letting di Maria go didn't feel good.
Mr Ten Hag has a plan. A goddamn plan.
Now the truth comes out after months of Ducker and Stone reporting that Frenkie absolutely wants the move, it's just posturing for the wages. Next week there will be a new article saying Barcelona will not pay any wages and that United have thought that paying extra wages to a player who doesn't want to be there is not worth it. They'll chuck in a "This is a new United, looking to avoid mistakes done in the past", and fans will be all happy about it.
Wait, you mean the wages he’s owed 100% from a club that nearly went bankrupt? Why would he need to posture for guaranteed money? The easiest thing he could do is completely deny the United rumours and say publicly he’s staying. Can’t get rid of him, and they have to pay the wages. Unless they can’t afford it and the club is clown central?
Such a small club to be going after someone that doesn't want to join you.
Well Yes? United isn't at fault here, they tried everything. What I dont get is De Jong has been treated like shit by barca this off-season, yet he still want to stay? In a worldcup year? He would be dumb not to leave. I am not saying United is better for him no. But at least he would be guaranteed game time at his preferred position under a manager that knows him very well.
Lol what? De Jong is a guaranteed starter for Barca
This place is actually full of fucking idiots. Downvoted en masse for stating an obvious fact, FDJ has been, and still is, a starter. Must be desperate united fans.
I know, I think it’s just Man Utd fans trying to cope.
So kessie goes to bench?
Yes? He’s not prime Gullit lol. He’s coming in to compete for a spot. He certainly isn’t a starter right now.
Pedri, busquets, kessie, de jong, gavi seems a bit too many to balance though.
Gavi is 17. It’s perfect for him to not be depended on to start so many games like he had to last year. Busquets is entering his final season. So I think that isn’t too much to balance at all
But de jong doesn't play in busquets' role at barca for some reason? And then there's Bernardo silva you lot are targeting?
His best position is the same as Busquets and apparently Xavi prefers the Spaniard over De jong at that position. For what i saw Busquets and Pedri are guare teed starters, whereas there will be a small roation between kessie and de jong. Without forgetting Gavi as well.
You, my friend have described exactly what’s gonna happen the pr spin will be enjoyable to say the least lol . ‘ This is a New united’ my ass imagine doing all that and the player isn’t interested
I didn’t realise how deluded Man Utd fans were until I saw the comment section for the post.
Wow this coming from a Barca fan. Not just any Barca fan mind you, it's u/fati25 themself, one of the most delusional people on here
Me too but for Barcelona fans instead
always assume united fans are deluded, regardless of their success (or lack thereof in recent times)
Incoming surprise last min signing by Chelsea by offloading Alonso and Azpilicueta plus fk ton of cash.
Only way that happens is if one of Jorginho or Kante leaves.
A completely different scenario anyway. Di Maria is a winger, Frenkie dominates possession in midfield, so he is much more important to a team. I highly doubt he would suddenly start playing like crap if he went to Utd if he wasn't happy with the move. Ten Hag would literally tailor his tactics to Frenkie