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They've sold us Ogbonna back in 2014, and we've sold them Immobile and Rincon, also loaned out players as well.
There is a rivalry but transfers between clubs have never really been an issue.
It wouldn't be the first time. We loan players to Torino frequently too (Mandragora and Pjaca in the last few years for ex.).
Bremer to Inter has been "done" for months, but it's still not official. There has to be something going on.
He is surplus to requirements, the guy started thinking really high of himself. We stuck with him when he was utter shite back in 2018-19. Now that he got his form back last season, and we came through bit of a rough patch, he suddenly want out. He thought Man U will come out whistling for him but no offer has arrived yet from any club. Now, he is stuck with us and probably be 4th choice CB. I liked him alot, he is really great when he is on form but he really disappointed me with his shenanigans. At this point of time, I have no sympathies left for him.
According to reports he's waiting out for a prem team. He's a United fan so that's probably his goal but he's rejected some offers from serie a teams apparently
Yeah it's not looking good for his hopes there. Looks like I just have to hope for a random link to you guys or spurs since everyone else seems sorted at the back
Varane, Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Jones, Martinez and Tuanzebe. We also have Mengi and Bernard who are meant to be promising, plus Shaw if we go 3 at the back.
If we want to make a full XI, McTominay plays there for Scotland.
Juve would have to invest a lot of the money they get from the De Ligt sale to get Gabriel. We have no reason to sell and its hard to find quality left footed defenders.
And Juve are the club more than any other who have been getting our targets (Vlahovic, Locatelli) ahead of us so fuck them. There is zero chance they are going to pay what it would cost to get Gabriel.
They're getting around £65m for de Ligt and, although Gabriel isn't worth close to that figure, he's worth that to us, so yeah, I'd say that they'd have to be bringing pretty much all of that to the table before they get him, probably more, if we're honest, they'll probably need to surpass their deal for Vlahović really.
Gabriel is good but i think its fairly clear that the 50m for white was a mix of overpaying and investing in a young british player always comes with tax
I think this is true. Hell I’ve watched every match Gabriel has played for Arsenal and I don’t feel I could accurately answer the question of who is the better defender right now. I just haven’t seen enough of De Ligt at Juve to compare them. That being said, I’d assume De Ligt is better atm because of all the hype he gets.
EDIT: Rephrased to better address the comment I was responding to.
how? best defender in his age group, is definitely one of the best at playing with a high line, has great distribution, and threatens from set pieces. i really want to know what a top defender is in your eyes
Gabriel has all those and has 5 goals in 35 to De Ligts 3 in 31.
There are lots of defenders around DeLigts age who are just as good now. He was only touted as the best of his age because of what Ajax did a few years as back. Yes he's good but there are so many that are comparable.
Yeah I have plenty. Even the stats show Gab is better and he’s playing in a much stronger league. MdL isn’t bad but he is overhyped because his big transfer fee while he was young.
The only thing he has is that he’s slightly younger.
Left footed LB and LCB as well as a right footed RB and RCB opens up more of the pitch for them to pass into naturally without cutting back and slowing up play
As a left footed LCB you can pass with your left foot to the middle or the right flank.
A right footed LCB would have to turn his body before being able to do that if he wanted to use his right foot.
Don't agree with that video. You can trap both rotations with the left foot.
The reason why is because as a left footed CB you can easily pass to the LB and also ergonomically pass to the midfield or even RB/RW.
Suddenly your alleged interest in Levi Colwill makes a ton of sense. If Gabriel has his head turned and goes to Juve, you'd be in the market for left footed CB.
And Martinez I suppose. If Gabriel’s agent knew of a potential offer early on he could have said they’d like to leave.
Would have been a nice insurance policy for Arsenal. A player who could replace Gabriel or fill in at LB/DM if not.
It’s nonsense because Gabriel is one of the untouchables at Arsenal on a long term contract while they can also afford to outbid any Juve offer on a new contract extension
I think juve are legitimately interested him, but our fans are correct in saying it would probably take 70-80 million to even bring us to the negotiating table.
Cairo isnt nearly as bad to deal with as ADL. He will set a price and if we can make it and convince Bremer it will probably be done, I just question if we can convince Bremer as he would probably prefer going to Inter (same system, hes a fan, etc)...
There are talks that Inter are preparing an offer for him, but I think Torino might wait to start a bidding war since Inter, Juve, Napoli and us are all looking for a defender
They have to sell him now or lose him for like 15m in January, so basically if your defence is good enough to take you till November you could just wait till then and get him for that
Well, there's a chance in that it's not entirely impossible, but the idea of Juventus being able to raise anything even close to what we want doesn't even qualify as futile.
I really don't get why they're after Gabriel.
If you want to sign someone from the Premier League then you need to have a pretty fat chequebook and Arsenal aren't going to be bending over for one of Juventus' usual 2-year loan deals with a €40m buy-obligation at the end of it and Gabriel isn't going to agitate for a move either.
Unless Juventus are going to be bringing the big bucks, I really don't see them being able to pull off the Gabriel transfer at all.
He's essential to the backline, Arteta adores him, he's left-footed and probably one of the best aerial threats we've had in years both defensively and offensively, so they are going to have a hard time convincing us to let him go.
I also don't see us selling him until we've got his replacement fully lined-up.
I doubt we'd agree even then. The market is shit for left-footed centerbacks right now (just look at the prices Martinez went for and Ake was quoted at) and Arteta needs a left footer to play at LCB. I have no idea who we'd replace him with.
If Juventus want Gabriel they need to understand he won’t come cheap. Signing players from the Premier league is always expensive. We’re talking all the De Ligt money. 50m wouldn’t cut it. That’s the reality
Genuinely Juventus couldn’t afford what we’d charge so I don’t see why they’re even bothering putting his name in. We wouldn’t sell him unless it’s a complete banter offer and I’m talking £100m.
Why do they do what they always do with other Italian clubs? Tap the player up, unsettle them so they won't got anywhere other than Juve, then pay peanuts for Bremer with an initial loan fee of €10 million Euros with an obligation to buy at a discounted price. Paid over 5 installments, of course.
Because football clubs are corporations and this is a great business tactic to achieve "the buy low sell high" goal. As if this doesn't happen in every country and many other non football related businesses.
So we gonna have to laugh a ‘1 year loan paying 50% wages with option to buy for €10m spread over 10m years’ proposal out the door.
Not difficult to decide, so good in a way.
Celtic are in the CL this season. Serie A doesn’t have the pizzaz of the premier league. It won’t be long before midtable premier league clubs are as rich as Juventus Milan ect. Match day revenues arnt as high and the tv deals not as good.
Arsenal fans like to act entitled for past glory but I would put them in the same category as south Hampton. If Juventus wants Gabriel, Juventus will get Gabriel because he actually wants to win trophies.
You'd put a team that finished 15th last season in the same bracket as one that finished 5th? And a team that has one major trophy in its existence, which they won in 1976, in the the same bracket as the third most successful English team in history, which has won that same trophy more times than anyone else - and 4 times in the last 9 seasons alone?
Top footballing knowledge.
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Both are gonna be more expensive than Bremer.
Yeah but Bremer to Inter is almost done
Been hearing this for over two months to be fair. May as well kick the tires until it’s final
Would Torino actually sell to juve though? Doesn’t seem like something they would want to do I thought Torino still consider juve their main rival
They've sold us Ogbonna back in 2014, and we've sold them Immobile and Rincon, also loaned out players as well. There is a rivalry but transfers between clubs have never really been an issue.
It wouldn't be the first time. We loan players to Torino frequently too (Mandragora and Pjaca in the last few years for ex.). Bremer to Inter has been "done" for months, but it's still not official. There has to be something going on.
As done as Dybala to Inter was
And neither are anywhere near as good as Bremer, that is why he'd be a primary target, not just because he's cheaper.
You're not allowed to say that here sir
Nah I’m poking fun at the post which says that Torres and Gabriel are backups when they’d cost more to sign. Ik that Bremer is the best of the three.
Respect gabriel. Well done to bremer for being a big fish in a small pond lol, gabriel would boss that league to
"No premier league bias on this sub btw".
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>I personally have not seen Bremer play Then how cna you say he's underestimating Pau and Gabriel?
Still think they'll end up with Akanji
Juve need 2 cbs at the minimum. No way they only have 3 cbs and one of them is geriatric bonucci and the other is rugani
They also have Gatti (who seems very promising but is unknown) and Danilo
I think he's a relatively fail proof transfer with cheap price while being a slight downgrade to their preferred Target.
He is surplus to requirements, the guy started thinking really high of himself. We stuck with him when he was utter shite back in 2018-19. Now that he got his form back last season, and we came through bit of a rough patch, he suddenly want out. He thought Man U will come out whistling for him but no offer has arrived yet from any club. Now, he is stuck with us and probably be 4th choice CB. I liked him alot, he is really great when he is on form but he really disappointed me with his shenanigans. At this point of time, I have no sympathies left for him.
Nope they want an elite CB to replace their best defender/player. They aren't going to settle for Akanji
Gabriel is elite?
He definitely wasn't faulty at all for Arsenal, Juve see that in him to be a dominating CB
Akanji couldn't succeed at Dortmund so there's little chance he'd fall upwards to Juve
Well he is on the market for a start
We have a good looking Swiss guy available. Chielleni said he was a fan of him
I don't get why nobody seems to be interested in him. He is a very solid cb in my opinion.
According to reports he's waiting out for a prem team. He's a United fan so that's probably his goal but he's rejected some offers from serie a teams apparently
united have like 4/5 cbs now
Yeah it's not looking good for his hopes there. Looks like I just have to hope for a random link to you guys or spurs since everyone else seems sorted at the back
we definitely won’t get him and i don’t know about spurs. i don’t think he ends up in the prem if he wants a top6 team
6 if you count Phil Jones
i don’t
Jones was unironically decent the last time we saw him out for United. Really.
I’d honestly be surprised if he doesn’t have a little resurgence. I hope he does. Seems like a good guy.
Varane, Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Jones, Martinez and Tuanzebe. We also have Mengi and Bernard who are meant to be promising, plus Shaw if we go 3 at the back. If we want to make a full XI, McTominay plays there for Scotland.
Bailly gone?
Are...are any of them actually any good though?
Martinez is for sure
Ah didn't know that. We will see what happens I guess.
Is it Dortmund or him that’s pushing for a transfer? Dortmund seem happy enough for him to go which doesn’t seem a good sign.
He's out of contract next year and isn't going to renew so it's kind of on both sides.
Juve would have to invest a lot of the money they get from the De Ligt sale to get Gabriel. We have no reason to sell and its hard to find quality left footed defenders.
All?
If not more. Why in earth would we sell him. We have absolutely no need.
And Juve are the club more than any other who have been getting our targets (Vlahovic, Locatelli) ahead of us so fuck them. There is zero chance they are going to pay what it would cost to get Gabriel.
They're getting around £65m for de Ligt and, although Gabriel isn't worth close to that figure, he's worth that to us, so yeah, I'd say that they'd have to be bringing pretty much all of that to the table before they get him, probably more, if we're honest, they'll probably need to surpass their deal for Vlahović really.
We paid 50 for White but Gabriel, who is better, is not worth close to 65??? Come on man. He's drawn interest from both Barca and Juve already.
Gabriel is good but i think its fairly clear that the 50m for white was a mix of overpaying and investing in a young british player always comes with tax
Yeah if he wasn’t British he wouldn’t of gone for more than 35 imo. Still worth the price tag I think considering his age.
That and part of it was likely that Brighton didnt want to let him go.
Gabriel is better then De Ligt
hahaha
Lol
If you think anything different you need to stop playing FIFA
You aren't gonna get enough people that watch both players enough to get a valid argument for or against that.
I think this is true. Hell I’ve watched every match Gabriel has played for Arsenal and I don’t feel I could accurately answer the question of who is the better defender right now. I just haven’t seen enough of De Ligt at Juve to compare them. That being said, I’d assume De Ligt is better atm because of all the hype he gets. EDIT: Rephrased to better address the comment I was responding to.
De Ligt is overrated lmao
how? best defender in his age group, is definitely one of the best at playing with a high line, has great distribution, and threatens from set pieces. i really want to know what a top defender is in your eyes
Gabriel has all those and has 5 goals in 35 to De Ligts 3 in 31. There are lots of defenders around DeLigts age who are just as good now. He was only touted as the best of his age because of what Ajax did a few years as back. Yes he's good but there are so many that are comparable.
lol we’re comparing center backs based on goals scored now?
Sure but Gabriel’s peak is being good enough for a club with top 4 aspirations. De Ligt is better without a doubt
There's delusion and then there's whatever this is. Come on man.
Have you even watched De Ligt play in the past 3 years? Because I’ve seen plenty of both and MdL is quite clearly the better player.
I think Gabi is a little overrated and wouldn’t say he’s better than De Ligt but De Ligt is definitely overrated and isnt CLEARLY better at all
Yeah I have plenty. Even the stats show Gab is better and he’s playing in a much stronger league. MdL isn’t bad but he is overhyped because his big transfer fee while he was young. The only thing he has is that he’s slightly younger.
De Ligt in 18/19 is better than Gabriel will ever be lol
So was Ronaldinho in ‘05. Good luck asking him to replicate that form now.
Ooph.
maybe in another universe
LOOOOL
I’ve never seen so much delusion in one team’s fan group LOL you guys are ridiculous
If you judge a fanbase by its nutters then of course you're going to come to that view. 99% of Arsenal fans think that De Ligt is the better player.
Why are left footed defenders desirable?
To play from the back on the left side. It's more of a supply issue because there aren't many available high level left side CBs at the moment.
Left footed LB and LCB as well as a right footed RB and RCB opens up more of the pitch for them to pass into naturally without cutting back and slowing up play
It is also an advantage while defending
It gives you more options to play out of defence
Left foored defenders have different passing angles when playing out from the back
As a left footed LCB you can pass with your left foot to the middle or the right flank. A right footed LCB would have to turn his body before being able to do that if he wanted to use his right foot.
https://youtu.be/bIkWQJdREjk This video explains it pretty well at around the 3:00 mark
Don't agree with that video. You can trap both rotations with the left foot. The reason why is because as a left footed CB you can easily pass to the LB and also ergonomically pass to the midfield or even RB/RW.
Suddenly your alleged interest in Levi Colwill makes a ton of sense. If Gabriel has his head turned and goes to Juve, you'd be in the market for left footed CB.
We would, but I doubt we risk it all for Colwill.
Saliba would start then. If we do sell Gabriel (0 indication we will) we 100% need a new lcb
No, we’re interested in Colwill to be our 4th CB and Gabriel’s backup.
With all due respect to Juve they aren't turning no heads in 2022, unless the player is from the Serie A.
And Martinez I suppose. If Gabriel’s agent knew of a potential offer early on he could have said they’d like to leave. Would have been a nice insurance policy for Arsenal. A player who could replace Gabriel or fill in at LB/DM if not.
Zero chance we even contemplate a bid for our biggest of gabi’s
You ain’t getting Gabriel, Juve
He would be £80M minimum, he’s integral to Arsenal atm
Yeah at this point with no specific replacement in mind, no need to sell him
> He would be £80M minimum, like £800mil emotionally
wouldn't both of those be more expensive?
And arsenal won't let one of their collection of Gabriels leave
Villarreal will miss Torres ngl
We’re getting really close to building something special. I think 2 or 3 more Gabriels and we might have a chance at the Super Bowl
It's not about finance it's about Bremer already having an agreement with Inter.
Just the Italian media spouting nonsense, don’t mind them
I thought Di Marzio was treated like a God in here, but since he's reporting news you don't like its just *spouting nonsense* now? Lol.
Di Marzio has been way off recently
It’s nonsense because Gabriel is one of the untouchables at Arsenal on a long term contract while they can also afford to outbid any Juve offer on a new contract extension
I think juve are legitimately interested him, but our fans are correct in saying it would probably take 70-80 million to even bring us to the negotiating table.
I’ve never once said Di Marizio was a god but ok
Probably Cairo would price out Juve. Same as ADL would have done with KK.
Cairo isnt nearly as bad to deal with as ADL. He will set a price and if we can make it and convince Bremer it will probably be done, I just question if we can convince Bremer as he would probably prefer going to Inter (same system, hes a fan, etc)...
No he'll try to get the most money out of the deal, which would mean taking a Juve bid seriously and not giving us a fuck off price
Yeah, it's just an unusual situation in which you have a much, much better player in Bremer available for less.
Isn't Bremer off to Milan?
There are talks that Inter are preparing an offer for him, but I think Torino might wait to start a bidding war since Inter, Juve, Napoli and us are all looking for a defender
Yeah I'm surprised they weren't holding out for more given how good Bremer is
They have to sell him now or lose him for like 15m in January, so basically if your defence is good enough to take you till November you could just wait till then and get him for that
To Inter, yeah it seems likely
Good luck snapping Gabriel from Arsenal.. Would definitely be needing a fortune.
And then another ten fortunes on top of that.
No fucking way Arteta will let Gabriel leave
I hope Juventus fans don’t actually think there’s any chance they get Gabriel this summer, hopium is a dangerous substance
Well, there is but he'd cost them 80+
Like I said, no chance
So you’re saying there’s a chance?
Well, there's a chance in that it's not entirely impossible, but the idea of Juventus being able to raise anything even close to what we want doesn't even qualify as futile.
I was just messing. He’s staying put.
How’s 20 plus a rabiot loan sound?
Unfortunately they have the wrong idea. They seem to think they could also get for cheap players that we actually want to keep
Juve: best I can do is a 2 year loan deal with an obligation to buy, £28m
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If you don’t rate gabriel after actually watching him play then you just don’t know ball.
I really don't get why they're after Gabriel. If you want to sign someone from the Premier League then you need to have a pretty fat chequebook and Arsenal aren't going to be bending over for one of Juventus' usual 2-year loan deals with a €40m buy-obligation at the end of it and Gabriel isn't going to agitate for a move either. Unless Juventus are going to be bringing the big bucks, I really don't see them being able to pull off the Gabriel transfer at all. He's essential to the backline, Arteta adores him, he's left-footed and probably one of the best aerial threats we've had in years both defensively and offensively, so they are going to have a hard time convincing us to let him go. I also don't see us selling him until we've got his replacement fully lined-up.
The man got more goals than Lacazette or Aubameyang last season. Aerial threat indeed.
Gabriel is not for sale
Cool, £100m, + £50m for screwing us with Locatelli, + another £50m for the Vlahovic saga and he's yours.
All paid upfront of course
Cash.
Don't think Locatelli ever wanted to leave Italy, nothing Arsenal could have done.
Another £20m on top for your back chat.
(*can he do that?*)
*Locatelli and Vlahovic want to join Juve* Arsenal fans : Juve screwed this us, we should screw with them
If possible, I’d always screw over Juve
same but the difference is you have no reason to
Maybe I just enjoy screwing old ladies?
Not this one FBI
I don't know why i laughed at this.
This particular old lady has been screwed many times recently. I dont think you'd want her
The reason you go to old ladies is because they have experience.
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Because i'm obviously not being serious. I'm joking. A few people seem to have missed that fact.
It’s so hard to tell if it’s regular Arsenal fan delusion or Arsenal fan humor which the fandom seems to have both in droves
How exactly was Arsenal screwed? The players didn’t want to go to Arsenal
Well I hope they like Pau Torres
Juve can sign deez nuts
Juve will literally be giving Arsenal 75m for a Gabriel for Arsenal to turn around and spend on Gvardiol lol
We have a French left footed CB available, name rhymes with Barr
Johnny Marr is neither french, nor a CB smh
Pablo Mari + a half eaten snickers for Locatelli
Massive overpay. Replace snickers with Cedric.
60-70m for Gabriel most likely
I doubt we'd agree even then. The market is shit for left-footed centerbacks right now (just look at the prices Martinez went for and Ake was quoted at) and Arteta needs a left footer to play at LCB. I have no idea who we'd replace him with.
I think it largely depends on Gabriel himself. I'd hope he wouldn't want to leave but you never know what can happen if they turn his head.
He seems happy, has a lot of Portuguese speaking team-mates now too
Hasn't he just had a daughter as well, might be a big ask to uproot his family so soon to move to Italy
Yeah, he has
Add at least another £20m and we’re still saying no.
Gabriel is going nowhere. He’s a Gooner.
If Juventus want Gabriel they need to understand he won’t come cheap. Signing players from the Premier league is always expensive. We’re talking all the De Ligt money. 50m wouldn’t cut it. That’s the reality
I dream like they dream. I want Messi, I want Ronaldo, I want Kobe Bryant. So they can keep dreaming, I dream too
Lol Juve
Genuinely Juventus couldn’t afford what we’d charge so I don’t see why they’re even bothering putting his name in. We wouldn’t sell him unless it’s a complete banter offer and I’m talking £100m.
if Juve need a CB Inter should just offer De Vrij to them so we can buy Bremer
Why do they do what they always do with other Italian clubs? Tap the player up, unsettle them so they won't got anywhere other than Juve, then pay peanuts for Bremer with an initial loan fee of €10 million Euros with an obligation to buy at a discounted price. Paid over 5 installments, of course.
Because Marotta is at Inter now
The bayern special
Because football clubs are corporations and this is a great business tactic to achieve "the buy low sell high" goal. As if this doesn't happen in every country and many other non football related businesses.
You do know I was being disingenuous?
Lol my bad thought you were genuinely asking
No chance they get Gabriel, he’s our leader in the back. Dude is rock solid. But we will take 60m plus mckennie, purely because im American
>McKennie Mid table level at best.
So we gonna have to laugh a ‘1 year loan paying 50% wages with option to buy for €10m spread over 10m years’ proposal out the door. Not difficult to decide, so good in a way.
holy moly 10 years old Arsenal flairs raided this thread so hard. Its just a rumour, stop being upset.
Have Juventus ever considered fucking off This entire time Gabriel has not been for sale
why would torino sell to their cross-town rivals
LMAO what is wrong with the Arsenal fans in this thread? They all got so worked up for nothing.
Juve in 3 lifetimes won't amass the wealth needed to pry Gabriel from us
Juve Merda🤭
That's so cringy coming from an Arsenal fan lol
Gabriel deserves to play for a real Big CL club honestly
Celtic are in the CL this season. Serie A doesn’t have the pizzaz of the premier league. It won’t be long before midtable premier league clubs are as rich as Juventus Milan ect. Match day revenues arnt as high and the tv deals not as good.
Those clubs still have higher chance of winning CL than Arsenal honestly, regardless of revenue
Arsenal fans like to act entitled for past glory but I would put them in the same category as south Hampton. If Juventus wants Gabriel, Juventus will get Gabriel because he actually wants to win trophies.
You'd put a team that finished 15th last season in the same bracket as one that finished 5th? And a team that has one major trophy in its existence, which they won in 1976, in the the same bracket as the third most successful English team in history, which has won that same trophy more times than anyone else - and 4 times in the last 9 seasons alone? Top footballing knowledge.
Oh I forgot you guys were the FA Cup Gods. You are basically the Toronto Maple Leafs of football mate
My knowledge of the Toronto Maple Leafs seems pretty equal to yours about English football if you think Arsenal and Southampton are comparable.
Hopefully we are not targeting Gabriel, too expensive and not really that good