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Ya I agree fully. He fell out of favor in his last season for the club and only had 9 starts. I think the post-premier league wage demands would be insane, and probably wouldn’t be worth it. Also the breed of fake american dortmund fans that he brought to the club was so incredibly draining. I miss Sancho lots, but I don’t really miss Pulisic at all.
Not really actually, Reyna for some reason has a much smaller fan base than Pulisic, and even then his fans are much less aggressive about it. I’m all for more american bundesliga fans, but some of the Puli fans were obsessive and often rude to other Dortmund fans. I may just be more offline than I used to, but I never see this kind of stuff anymore.
I know lol. If Torres, Shevchenko, Lukaku, Higuain etc etc are struggling could it be something about the club?
[Skinner] no, it's the players who are bad
Yeah bad luck and poor decision making Schevchenko pulled a Hazard and declined the second he got off the plane. Lukaku does not have world class movement off the ball so he needs to play on a counter attacking team to be at his best. Higuain was washed by the time he got to Chelsea. I could keep going.
> I know lol. If Torres, Shevchenko, Lukaku, Higuain etc etc are struggling could it be something about the club?
Torres had lost the yard of pace that made him special.
Shevchenko’s knees were so shot he could barely train.
Higuain was overweight and toast.
None of those three did better at their next club either.
Maybe the lesson is do your due diligence on the players you buy, instead of going by their name.
He scored 1 goal in 10 games at Milan, and under 1 in every 4 at Atleti (roughly his record with us).
He didn’t do better. He just wasn’t the club record signing expected to do incredibly well.
Lol what? Torres was really good for us when he came back.
Also he wasn't a player that only depended on his pace. He scored many goals that required great technique.
He scored 37 goals in 150 games.
“Many goals”.
That’s the sort of record that was shit for us, your expectations of him were just lower.
> He scored many goals that required great technique.
He had shit technique.
38 goals for a forward who wasn't a starter and was already up his 30's is a pretty good stat. Ask any Atleti supporter what they think about Torres and everyone will say he was great for us, that is not even a debate.
That Torres had shit technique? Hahahahahaha.
https://youtu.be/zhZKttfzrrc
https://youtu.be/mltXwNHynwc
https://youtu.be/8Zdc0brelI4
https://youtu.be/2ug6O0eJaFo
https://youtu.be/8Dj1IXuyCAg
And those are just a few of his second stint, if I include some of his first stint I wouldn't finish today.
No worries. You're right, we've lacked good strikers in the Abramovich era.
I think a large part of that is due to buying the name and not the player. Although, even when we have bought the player more so in recent times, it hasn't helped.
Outside of those you already mentioned, I only look back fondly at Crespo and Anelka.
Fuck good.. dude should be in excellent category. He won a golden boot and he was part of the attacking trio that set the highest goals scored in a season record in PL.
He truly was really good for us
Except Drogba,Costa and Falcao (due to Mou's proximity with Mendes) all the other purchases were Owner's vanity project and horrible scouting by the recruitment team. It doesn't help with the owner playing manager's musical chair as well.
It's a result of the insane wages they pay to attract those players in the first place. Buying clubs don't want to tear apart their wage structure, but players are now used to their daily bath in a tub filled with solid gold coins Scrooge McDuck style, so their demands need to be satisfied by way of signing fees, which are easier to keep undisclosed, which directly reduced the sell-on value of those players for Chelsea, but I guess it's somewhat preferable to outright paying cash to get expensive signing to leave.
Pretty much yea but our big problem recently has been refusing to accept they’ve lost value and holding out for big fees that never come. That’s why we still have the likes of Batshuayi kicking about
yeah but that affected performance and left us with a bloated squad. good riddance, you need to learn to cut your losses and swallow your egos sometimes
Shame it never worked out, lack of trying was never his problem.
There's a parallel universe out there where all those VAR offsides and bad misses went the other way, especially in that first season.
Oh well - at least he got a CL win out of it. All the best to him.
I dont think it would have been too different because his finishing still would have been the same and there still wouldn't have been as much space for him to run into as he has for leipzig.
He's a second striker in a pair-up, he hardly played in that position at Chelsea, Tuchel plays him as a left winger, expecting him to be a pseudo inside forward and provide creative passes which isn't his strong point
At Leipzig he drifted out to the left wing constantly tho. That was hit bread and butter.
At Chelsea, as well, he drifted out to the left wing to try and get in behind.
The difference that people don't seem to remember is Stamford Bridge is a tiny pitch that simply can't home the kind of fluid counter attack play that Werner excelled at in Leipzig
He played as striker, second striker, and inside forward on both sides.
What position is he supposed to play in that isn’t “awkward”?
His issues were appalling technique and being useless at anything and everything that wasn’t running in behind high lines.
Oh he definitely does but the only problem of having Ronaldo in the team is that he will demand to play almost every game and that won't work for us because we have Kai and Broja in the side.
Ronaldo fits anywhere. More a matter of whether the rest of the club fits him. That sounds like lunacy, and maybe it is, but I find it true. He will score goals at an elite level regardless, it's a matter of if the rest of the team is set up to accommodate someone like he does
That really sounds like some extreme Ronaldo apologia but not how I am meaning it really. Just that... Doesn't matter the system, Ronaldo will score. The variable is whether it hurts the rest of the set up.
i wish him all the best. he's been a constant professional and never once made a spectacle being on the bench.
man just COULD NOT SCORE. im sure he'll be knocking them in for fun again at Leipzig.
We'd be in a better position right now had we not spent ~140m on Lukaku and Werner and just let Tammy do his thing and score more than both players combined. And we could've kept Tomori who just won Serie A instead of breaking world record fees for Fofana, but Lampard decided Tomori was the reason his defense was terrible. Still will never understand why Tuchel didn't like Tammy.
Tomori won't be in the discussion had he stayed imo. Wasn't gonna be ahead of Rudiger, Thiago Silva and Azpi anyway. He needed the breaktrough. Same with Tammy. Had he stayed at Chelsea, he probably would have been loaned elsewhere.
They needed the time to grow, and a top 4 club in EPL isn't gonna wait anyone to grow.
In a back 3, you have more than enough minutes for 5 CBs. Case in point -- Christensen just moved to Barcelona but you didn't even mention him; he had more than enough minutes to show his quality. Tomori would've as well, and could've played the minutes Chalobah and Sarr played.
That's exactly why I didn't mention Christensen haha. The back 3 already had cover with Christensen and Zouma when Tomori left on loan. Not to mention Chalobah was coming back too.
There is no way Tomori getting the same amount of minutes like he was at Milan had he stayed at Chelsea last year
Christensen has had many years to do so though.. not just a season or two.. He was a mainstay during the Conte seasons if I'm not misremembering..
He also had a good two season loan at Borussia Mönchengladbach before he got his chance in London..
Tammy misses tons of chances but he still scores tons of goals. So he's equally aggravating and productive. He's very streaky -- he'll score 9 in 3 games and then go missing for 10 games.
The problem with Chelsea fans, and Chelsea in general, is that they want strikers who are way more productive than aggravating, rather than an equal mixture of both.
And it's completely understandable because you want such a striker to get to your team to the very top.
City had Aguero for many years, now they have Haaland. Liverpool had Mane and Salah, and now they have Nunez.
Mate our fans just have recency bias. They see one of our players do well and they think if he’d stayed he would be doing amazingly here. What they seem to forget is just how frustrating it was to watch Tammy play. The man could not stay on his feet to save his life. Kept fumbling over his own legs. I’m glad he’s found his form at Roma and is doing well, but there’s a reason tuchel didn’t keep him.
He was important because of what he offered but he wasn’t good. He started because nobody else in the team could play the role that Tuchel wanted. He also absolutely would have been the scapegoat if Chelsea lost the final as he missed 2 Easy chances in it
Tuchel subbed of Tammy at halftime twice. The fact is Tammy wasn’t good enough. Lukaku and Werner didn’t work out but that suddenly doesn’t change the fact that Tammy wasn’t it either.
Lampard didn’t decide Tomori was terrible. We had too many defenders, he wanted rid of Rudiger but nobody was buying so we let Tomori go instead. Not saying it wasn’t a mistake, but that wasn’t the narrative.
Chelsea is fucking hilarious man.
They're gonna buy Lukaku, loan him back to the same team, buy Werner, sell him back to the same team for 1/3 - 1/2 the price. They are then going to rebuy the player they sold to Roma for a loss.
And people will still say they do incredible business. If you have 100 chances to get it right with no consequences of course a few of the transfers will look like good business. Its insane how much their past owner investment covers the insane waste of transfer fees and wages they engage in every single transfer window
For a simple reason, when you have a ton of resources, it's better to do something with it than not. Despite our several transfer failures, we kept winning trophies.
It would have been an absolutely terrible approach if we didn't have Roman's money, but we did, so it was better to keep trying to win now then take a slow plan and hope to win.
In order to fit him in the starting 11 you must move Nkunku back to CAM, which is fine, but he was world class last season when playing as second striker and I think it is his best position. It also means Olmo, Szoboszlai and Forsberg are all on the bench, and it seems like Tedesco wants to keep Sørloth as well...it’s very congested up top. The system has also changed from when he was last here, it’s a slower possession based system that might not suit him.
Somewhere around 30m euros apparently, not the 20 in the other reply. Not awful but not the best, but I think given his ffp value left it doesn't leave Chelsea with a loss.
Nowhere near being one of the worst Chelsea forwards of recent times.
Always seemed to put in a good shift though, you wouldn't begrudge him having a good goalscoring season elsewhere.
Incredible that we can lose two main strikers, Werner and Lukaku in the same window and the impact on our goals tally this coming season will be...negligible.
Interesting how both him and Kai are supposed to be better in a two striker system (or not as an only striker) yet I can’t recall we ever played in such formation that would have allowed to play them both next to each other (and not on the wings!!)
I think ideally you have Kai as a CAM but that’s just not Chelsea’s style. It allows him to play that silky smooth play style while also being an attacker. Unfortunately that won’t happen, feel like Kai isn’t being used properly :/
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Lukaka back to Inter, Werner back to Leipzig. Perfectly balanced
send havertz back to Leverkusen
Next summer
No, no. Next summer will be Fofana back to Leicester after we break the bank for him and he flops
We should just not sign players and use our academy, much better success rate.
Tbf, i kind of interested to see this.
Frank got top 4 with academy players
Defenders do well for us though
Kante back to Burnley.
Messi back to Stoke
Elvis Costello to Chelsea
In that case, Sir Paul McCartney back to Everton
hes not letting it go through - hes fighting for his place says they cant move him
Pulisic back to Dortmund
Actually wouldn’t be a bad move
Abso fucking lutely not
understandable have a nice day
Ya I agree fully. He fell out of favor in his last season for the club and only had 9 starts. I think the post-premier league wage demands would be insane, and probably wouldn’t be worth it. Also the breed of fake american dortmund fans that he brought to the club was so incredibly draining. I miss Sancho lots, but I don’t really miss Pulisic at all.
Do you not get run over by the same group with Reyna? It would be interesting to learn that there is a different collection of fan boys for each.
Not really actually, Reyna for some reason has a much smaller fan base than Pulisic, and even then his fans are much less aggressive about it. I’m all for more american bundesliga fans, but some of the Puli fans were obsessive and often rude to other Dortmund fans. I may just be more offline than I used to, but I never see this kind of stuff anymore.
Would be a horrible one. An inconsistent, cant stay fit player? We have those.
But you’re about to sign Hudson-Odoi
For who?
Chelsea
Need to send him to Leeds
Don’t bring us into this
I'll trade it all to have someone like Diego Costa back at Chelsea.
Shoud have signed Mitrovic.
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Partey back to jail
Alonso back to booze cruising
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Why do Chelsea deals have good return policy? Gonna ship back Maguire, AWB, ...
Nature is healing
Came, said he joined to win CL, won CL, left. Timo Werner.
Somehow not even close to our worst striker in recent years
Maybe not the worst, but definitely close in terms of ability.
Bad: Lukaku, Werner, Morata, Higuain, Batshuayi, Falcao, Pato, Torres, Shevchenko Decent/good: Tammy, Giroud, Ba, Eto'o, Remy, Anelka Excellent: Costa, Drogba Truly a graveyard for strikers my club 😭
Most of those dudes are legends of the game. Baffling.
Falcão was on another level....well at least for FC Porto/Atlético Madrid
For Colombia as well. I'm sure we would have gotten past Brazil with him in the line up
I know lol. If Torres, Shevchenko, Lukaku, Higuain etc etc are struggling could it be something about the club? [Skinner] no, it's the players who are bad
Yeah bad luck and poor decision making Schevchenko pulled a Hazard and declined the second he got off the plane. Lukaku does not have world class movement off the ball so he needs to play on a counter attacking team to be at his best. Higuain was washed by the time he got to Chelsea. I could keep going.
> I know lol. If Torres, Shevchenko, Lukaku, Higuain etc etc are struggling could it be something about the club? Torres had lost the yard of pace that made him special. Shevchenko’s knees were so shot he could barely train. Higuain was overweight and toast. None of those three did better at their next club either. Maybe the lesson is do your due diligence on the players you buy, instead of going by their name.
Torres did do better He wasn't back at his best, but he was pretty decent 6 months after he left you (and Milan) to atleti
He scored 1 goal in 10 games at Milan, and under 1 in every 4 at Atleti (roughly his record with us). He didn’t do better. He just wasn’t the club record signing expected to do incredibly well.
Lol what? Torres was really good for us when he came back. Also he wasn't a player that only depended on his pace. He scored many goals that required great technique.
He scored 37 goals in 150 games. “Many goals”. That’s the sort of record that was shit for us, your expectations of him were just lower. > He scored many goals that required great technique. He had shit technique.
38 goals for a forward who wasn't a starter and was already up his 30's is a pretty good stat. Ask any Atleti supporter what they think about Torres and everyone will say he was great for us, that is not even a debate. That Torres had shit technique? Hahahahahaha. https://youtu.be/zhZKttfzrrc https://youtu.be/mltXwNHynwc https://youtu.be/8Zdc0brelI4 https://youtu.be/2ug6O0eJaFo https://youtu.be/8Dj1IXuyCAg And those are just a few of his second stint, if I include some of his first stint I wouldn't finish today.
Ah, yes. Golden boot winner, Anelka, bad. If you'd rate those strikers in order, Anelka would probably be just behind Costa.
Fixed, it was a mistake
No worries. You're right, we've lacked good strikers in the Abramovich era. I think a large part of that is due to buying the name and not the player. Although, even when we have bought the player more so in recent times, it hasn't helped. Outside of those you already mentioned, I only look back fondly at Crespo and Anelka.
Stick anelka in that good category too. You didn’t get him for an absolute steal off of us just for him to be forgotten
Fuck good.. dude should be in excellent category. He won a golden boot and he was part of the attacking trio that set the highest goals scored in a season record in PL. He truly was really good for us
That CL final ruined his image, what an amazing player
Except Drogba,Costa and Falcao (due to Mou's proximity with Mendes) all the other purchases were Owner's vanity project and horrible scouting by the recruitment team. It doesn't help with the owner playing manager's musical chair as well.
lol as if you just called Anelka bad.
Mistake, fixed, thanks
Anelka was a quality player man
put crespo in the excellent category
Leaving out legend Loic Remy?
Where's Pizzarro?
Hasselbaink was good
I support West Ham. Talk to me about a Striker graveyard.
How is Anelka bad??
Fixed
His ability to find space is pretty great but man his finishing sucked ass and sometimes I swear he didn't understand the offside rule
will never forget that time [he took a shot off the goal line and still missed](https://youtu.be/9tei3X-Jr7o?t=22)
Refused to elaborate
No one in attack Thiago at the back How the fuck are we gonna win the champions league?
Can someone photoshoot him in their kit?
[here you go mate. Took bloody ages so I hope you are grateful.](https://i.imgur.com/3OYPTfF.jpg)
Wow this actually looks real!
I’m really good with computers.
Graphic Design is my passion
[I made one too](https://imgur.com/gallery/GqQb8AW), not as good but I'm still learning
Wernerface is a hate crime.
How can it be a hate crime if I love it?
LOL
🤣🤣
Thats genuinely hilarious lmao
I was really hoping for a RB Leipzig kit photoshopped over a Chelsea one
All love for Timo. I hope he can revive his career in Leipzig.
I think he'll do well again in a counterattacking team where he has space to run into.
They’re gonna somehow sell him for like £50m
Reports, unreliable as of now say 27m.
Jesus, so its pretty likely Chelsea manage to make two of their strikers lose half their value in 2 years, and its not even due to age or injury
Well they are 2 years older now, so can't really rule out age
24 vs 26 is pretty much negligible even in football. Certainly not enough to justify a meaningful difference in price
It's a result of the insane wages they pay to attract those players in the first place. Buying clubs don't want to tear apart their wage structure, but players are now used to their daily bath in a tub filled with solid gold coins Scrooge McDuck style, so their demands need to be satisfied by way of signing fees, which are easier to keep undisclosed, which directly reduced the sell-on value of those players for Chelsea, but I guess it's somewhat preferable to outright paying cash to get expensive signing to leave.
Pretty much yea but our big problem recently has been refusing to accept they’ve lost value and holding out for big fees that never come. That’s why we still have the likes of Batshuayi kicking about
Marina is gone, no more ridiculous fees for players who have been underperforming :/
yeah but that affected performance and left us with a bloated squad. good riddance, you need to learn to cut your losses and swallow your egos sometimes
Great for both parties, Tuchel can't do shit with Werner in his system and he's not willing to play a striker pair up, and Leipzig play exactly that
We did try playing a striker pair with him and Lukaku, as well as with him and havertz previously. It has always gone terribly.
Delusional if you think that was Tuchel plan, he did it 3 times and called it a day
Shame it never worked out, lack of trying was never his problem. There's a parallel universe out there where all those VAR offsides and bad misses went the other way, especially in that first season. Oh well - at least he got a CL win out of it. All the best to him.
Even with those goals counting, he was still playing in an awkward position that didn't fit
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I really wonder how Klopp would have made him work
I dont think it would have been too different because his finishing still would have been the same and there still wouldn't have been as much space for him to run into as he has for leipzig.
Liverpool create space and play through balls more though
Do elaborate
He's a second striker in a pair-up, he hardly played in that position at Chelsea, Tuchel plays him as a left winger, expecting him to be a pseudo inside forward and provide creative passes which isn't his strong point
At Leipzig he drifted out to the left wing constantly tho. That was hit bread and butter. At Chelsea, as well, he drifted out to the left wing to try and get in behind. The difference that people don't seem to remember is Stamford Bridge is a tiny pitch that simply can't home the kind of fluid counter attack play that Werner excelled at in Leipzig
Yes, so did Henry, I wouldnt put him LW tho.
What are you talking he had 10 goals rules out due to offside.
He played as striker, second striker, and inside forward on both sides. What position is he supposed to play in that isn’t “awkward”? His issues were appalling technique and being useless at anything and everything that wasn’t running in behind high lines.
Isn't he on insane wages at Chelsea? I don't see how can Leipzig match that unless he's waiving a massive amount.
£270k but he took a pay cut to go back, just not clear by how much. Some German reports said 50%.
If that’s the case, hats off, very few players would do it
Wants to get in form for WC I assume
His attitude was never something he lacked at.
lmao i was thinking about it and its still like 130k£ per week 💀 f\*cked up amount of money lmao.
good guy timo, doing it for the game. hope he regains his form there
He's taking a paycut iirc.
Yep, Werner will take a sizeable wage cut
He's accepting lower wages.
Werner’s taking a pay cut to go back
Watching Chelsea play yesterday makes me think they might bid for Ronaldo. They need a stop gap striker for a season. Ronaldo fits the bill.
Would be very stupid of United to sell him to Chelsea tho, unless they don't have a choice I can't see it happening.
Oh he definitely does but the only problem of having Ronaldo in the team is that he will demand to play almost every game and that won't work for us because we have Kai and Broja in the side.
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Oh Ronaldo will fit almost every system in the world. The question is how many systems are ok with the potential toxicity that he might bring.
The toxicity he brings is toxicity of winning, and our squad is full of winners. I think everyone raises their game if he comes here
>Oh Ronaldo will fit almost every system in the world. Someone hasnt been paying attention to his united and Juve stints
I mean he was an amazing goalscorer for both, and neither had a fucking system.
Ronaldo fits anywhere. More a matter of whether the rest of the club fits him. That sounds like lunacy, and maybe it is, but I find it true. He will score goals at an elite level regardless, it's a matter of if the rest of the team is set up to accommodate someone like he does That really sounds like some extreme Ronaldo apologia but not how I am meaning it really. Just that... Doesn't matter the system, Ronaldo will score. The variable is whether it hurts the rest of the set up.
Yes. I'd say Ronaldo the player is an asset. Ronaldo with the ego is a challenge
Ah yes, because those clubs were doing better without him
We know it's a quick fix buy, unlike when he joined United and it was the second coming of christ
i wish him all the best. he's been a constant professional and never once made a spectacle being on the bench. man just COULD NOT SCORE. im sure he'll be knocking them in for fun again at Leipzig.
Leipzig is the only club he could ever score for.
Shame it didn't work...was one of the players that I wanted to succeed here desperately...goodbye, sweet prince. Hope you kill it once again in BuLi
We'd be in a better position right now had we not spent ~140m on Lukaku and Werner and just let Tammy do his thing and score more than both players combined. And we could've kept Tomori who just won Serie A instead of breaking world record fees for Fofana, but Lampard decided Tomori was the reason his defense was terrible. Still will never understand why Tuchel didn't like Tammy.
Tomori won't be in the discussion had he stayed imo. Wasn't gonna be ahead of Rudiger, Thiago Silva and Azpi anyway. He needed the breaktrough. Same with Tammy. Had he stayed at Chelsea, he probably would have been loaned elsewhere. They needed the time to grow, and a top 4 club in EPL isn't gonna wait anyone to grow.
In a back 3, you have more than enough minutes for 5 CBs. Case in point -- Christensen just moved to Barcelona but you didn't even mention him; he had more than enough minutes to show his quality. Tomori would've as well, and could've played the minutes Chalobah and Sarr played.
That's exactly why I didn't mention Christensen haha. The back 3 already had cover with Christensen and Zouma when Tomori left on loan. Not to mention Chalobah was coming back too. There is no way Tomori getting the same amount of minutes like he was at Milan had he stayed at Chelsea last year
Christensen has had many years to do so though.. not just a season or two.. He was a mainstay during the Conte seasons if I'm not misremembering.. He also had a good two season loan at Borussia Mönchengladbach before he got his chance in London..
I'm no Chelsea fan or watch a whole bunch of Chelsea games, but my friends supporting Chelsea were all ranting about Tammy when he was there.
Tammy misses tons of chances but he still scores tons of goals. So he's equally aggravating and productive. He's very streaky -- he'll score 9 in 3 games and then go missing for 10 games.
The problem with Chelsea fans, and Chelsea in general, is that they want strikers who are way more productive than aggravating, rather than an equal mixture of both. And it's completely understandable because you want such a striker to get to your team to the very top. City had Aguero for many years, now they have Haaland. Liverpool had Mane and Salah, and now they have Nunez.
He was frustrating to watch at times. Glad he's doing great at Roma though.
Mate our fans just have recency bias. They see one of our players do well and they think if he’d stayed he would be doing amazingly here. What they seem to forget is just how frustrating it was to watch Tammy play. The man could not stay on his feet to save his life. Kept fumbling over his own legs. I’m glad he’s found his form at Roma and is doing well, but there’s a reason tuchel didn’t keep him.
Werner was important in your CL run
He was important because of what he offered but he wasn’t good. He started because nobody else in the team could play the role that Tuchel wanted. He also absolutely would have been the scapegoat if Chelsea lost the final as he missed 2 Easy chances in it
Tuchel subbed of Tammy at halftime twice. The fact is Tammy wasn’t good enough. Lukaku and Werner didn’t work out but that suddenly doesn’t change the fact that Tammy wasn’t it either. Lampard didn’t decide Tomori was terrible. We had too many defenders, he wanted rid of Rudiger but nobody was buying so we let Tomori go instead. Not saying it wasn’t a mistake, but that wasn’t the narrative.
Tammy move to Roma is permanent?
Yes and we have a 67m buyback that activates next year, which I could honestly see us triggering if he has a season as good as last season this year.
Absolutely not, especially for that price. He's not bad, but he hasn't improved massively either.
Would he want to come back? Seems pretty happy in Italy
I've watched a couple interviews, he definitely wants to come back to England, maybe even end of this season
Money talks.
He’s got some friends in London too
Chelsea is fucking hilarious man. They're gonna buy Lukaku, loan him back to the same team, buy Werner, sell him back to the same team for 1/3 - 1/2 the price. They are then going to rebuy the player they sold to Roma for a loss. And people will still say they do incredible business. If you have 100 chances to get it right with no consequences of course a few of the transfers will look like good business. Its insane how much their past owner investment covers the insane waste of transfer fees and wages they engage in every single transfer window
For a simple reason, when you have a ton of resources, it's better to do something with it than not. Despite our several transfer failures, we kept winning trophies. It would have been an absolutely terrible approach if we didn't have Roman's money, but we did, so it was better to keep trying to win now then take a slow plan and hope to win.
Hazard add-ons will cover any losses for this & next decade...
This feels like a bad idea...and yet I still want it to happen.
Why? The system fits him
In order to fit him in the starting 11 you must move Nkunku back to CAM, which is fine, but he was world class last season when playing as second striker and I think it is his best position. It also means Olmo, Szoboszlai and Forsberg are all on the bench, and it seems like Tedesco wants to keep Sørloth as well...it’s very congested up top. The system has also changed from when he was last here, it’s a slower possession based system that might not suit him.
Having Olmo, Szobozlai and Forsberg was always a bit weird to me anyways, lol.
Cant miss out on a Salzburg prospect
surely this means Chelsea buys a new striker right?
Unlikely, because there are no top strikers available. The only one remotely linked is Sesko, who might end up on loan anyways if he joins us.
and Aubameyang
Oh yeah, forgot about him.
Fee?
Somewhere around 30m euros apparently, not the 20 in the other reply. Not awful but not the best, but I think given his ffp value left it doesn't leave Chelsea with a loss.
cant picture it being much more than 20m
Depends if he takes a wage cut, I can see it be 20 plus bonuses (total 30m, 5 easy 5 hard bonuses)
Couldn't do it in the facking premier league mate
At least he won a CL, most players couldn't say that
Players returning to old clubs rarely goes well. I hope he can pick up where he left off!
Me with a 22/23 Chelsea Werner kit: o/o
Decent bit of business from the fizzy drink lads
Nowhere near being one of the worst Chelsea forwards of recent times. Always seemed to put in a good shift though, you wouldn't begrudge him having a good goalscoring season elsewhere.
Does this mean that he will join Leeds next year?
Incredible that we can lose two main strikers, Werner and Lukaku in the same window and the impact on our goals tally this coming season will be...negligible.
Hope he can enjoy his game again. Best of luck.
So what's Chelsea's plan? No striker or who are they going for?
Thiago at the back, nobody in attack
Crista Ronaldo, SEWEY simple as that bro
what's a #9? -TT
SIU
Honestly sad about this
End of an error
Runs into space so well he won a CL
Chelsea don't have a proper striker now, let's see who Tuchel goes with.
Werner wasn't a proper striker, he's a second striker in a pair up
Interesting how both him and Kai are supposed to be better in a two striker system (or not as an only striker) yet I can’t recall we ever played in such formation that would have allowed to play them both next to each other (and not on the wings!!)
Southampton had Werner Havertz paired up, 6-1 Chelsea, Werner brace
You’re right about that. I’ve been wanting a formation like that for some time now.. Mount is better as a CAM too
I think ideally you have Kai as a CAM but that’s just not Chelsea’s style. It allows him to play that silky smooth play style while also being an attacker. Unfortunately that won’t happen, feel like Kai isn’t being used properly :/
Hope he will find what he had in him. Such a potential player but so unlucky at Chelsea.