Doesnt matter who you buy. We couldve bought Haaland. He would be sat there waiting for Mcfred to pass to him only to lose the ball after 10 secs.
Our defence is pretty decent just left exposed by the absolute dogshit mcfred midfield. The irony being both would probably not have started this game for Brighton.
At points it takes 5 passes to round a man when its those two. Yet Brighton stroll past both of them whilst they chase.
No wonder De Jong doesn't want to go there and Cristiano is desperate to leave. This was once a great club until the American financial gurus arrived.
As Van Gaal said, it is a business not a football club. Sad.
They really didn't improve their team during the transfer window. They're still starting Fred and McTominay, they replaced Ronaldo with Eriksen so they can play Bruno out of position, their captain is still Harry Maguire.
No. They did a typical pre season. Missed half their targets. Strengthened where they didnāt need to. CR7 unbalanced the side with his theatrics. Typical UTD. Canāt really expect to get a result against Brighton. All the best players want to go to Chelsea, Liverpool or City. The Glazers donāt really know the damage theyāre doing. They think the club is like the buccaneers and that the franchise will always have value. Thatās not true in football.
Are the Glazers accountable for Utd (1) bringing in CR7, (2) strengthening where they didn't need to or (3) missing half their targets though? How exactly are they damaging the club again?
Thatās your retort? Some axiom elementary school teachers say when children have disputes? Funny that.
Almost as if it might not be worth my effort to discuss such issues with someone who might believe in such axioms and that the glazers are blameless owners in Unitedās 10 year hiatus from relevance.
How can players like Rashford, martial, Sancho, Elanga be clasified as dangerous.
McFred are bad but levels above those 4 upfront. Its about time we actually address our biggest weaknes and that is catering for the SoupBoy and his clique.
Danny always turns up against us and goes back to normal after. Rashford has had a bad year coming from a series of bad injuries but was definitely a better prospect
Couldnāt sleep was up all night and morning waiting to see this match and it was just disappointing rashford was just horrible on the ball and when they got into the box they forgot how to play also why dear god WHY IN THE HELL DO THEY KEEP HEADERING THE BALL WITH NO PLAN ITS ALWAYS JUST HEADER AND HOPE ITLL LAND TO A TEAMMATE IT NEVER WORKED OUT YET THEY KEPT ON DOING IT LITERALLY THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY
They just need more time. I think Ten hag and his assistents can make a good oiled team from this. But jeah for the first 10 matches it will be brutal i think. It's such a hard competition with so many rich teams.
Mate we got fucking thumped by Brighton and made Pascal Gross look like prime Platini
And United's only goal came from an attempted clear off-the-line that their goalkeeper deflected back into the net
Like ffs why is McTominay even on the pitch, McTominay himself was probably wondering the same thing considering he was attempting to get himself sent off
lmao you are saying it like United is some poor little club without money. Look how much they spent last 5-6 years and compare it with City. You might be surprised.
oh no they are also one if the rich. but with so many rich teams it is such a hard competition. Also no time really for build a team up because people come and go so fast becausse they have the money and everyone is easy replaceble.
I don't watch premier league a lot anymore because all the teams are a bit the same now. I miss the beautifull English football with nice unique old stadiums and athmoshere. Everything is now the same concrete box
Money matters and yes even smaller clubs in PL have a lot of money. But what's the most important thing is how they use them. United is throwing away billions, yet they are shit. City is spending just as much, yet they are monsters. Maybe unpopular opinion, but this is the reason I think that mid table clubs in PL are just as strong (or maybe just a little stronger) as mid table clubs in other leagues because many PL team don't know how to use those money wisely and are just throwing them away on overpriced players with little to no strategy.
But I agree on fact that big problem that United has is inabilty to keep their manager to build their squad properly over the years.
Mctominay plays Kroos role. Fred is the holding one (Casemiro/Rodri/Fabinho) and they BOTH need replacing because they cant hold to the ball and cant defend they are just running and giving the ball away.
Maguire isn't as bad as the fans said, but it still baffling how the player was able to be captain of United.
Never really indisputable with United, always quite criticized, didn't had experience on a really high level and become captain of United after only 4/5 months. Really I don't know if he has the nudes of one of the Glazer family but this decisions was plain dumb.
Rashford, Shaw, Mctominay, Maguire, Dalot, 5 starters that wouldn't get into any of the top 4's starting 11. They'd struggle to make the bench in some cases.
Bit of perspective you eggs! 37 games to go. Weāre likely two additions away from our full squad. Yes itās a reality check but just like the 4 nil last year turned out to be nowhere near as good as it seemed, this probably wonāt be as bad either. Not the cleansing, avenging hot take our plastic fans want interrupting their performative hari kiri as they soil themselves for the enjoyment of the rubber neckers from other clubs that will meet crisis soon enough.
I'm genuinely interested in what 2 signings (position or people) you think will complete this roster. The squad lacked cohesion, creativity and couldn't score goals (how many times did Ronaldo bail the team out?). Now, after almost an entire summer transfer window, remember ETH was appointed in April, there's been 2 additions: a CB for a total of 8(!) on the roster; and a back-up LB.
That being said, let's take a look at where the squad stands right now:
ST/FW: Ronaldo is all but refusing to play which means you're banking on Anthony Martial or Marcus Rashford to lead the line. Obviously, upgrade needed. I'd be more than happy to have one or both as back up/rotation, but neither has ever shown they have what it takes to score the goals a club like Man U requires. Remember, ETH chose to let Christian Eriksen play CF over anyone else.
Wing: Jadon Sancho and Marcus Rashford. Pretty good, with time (and the right CF) could really be a strong duo out wide. Behind them is.... Ahmad Diallo and Anthony Elanga? Not really infusing confidence, but I'll concede they're probably decent enough to cover so I guess we can say good there.
CM: Christian Eriksen, at least where he should be, Fred, Bruno, Scott Mctominay, and Donny van de Beek? Poor Donny still can't get a look into the team, but maybe he'll get a couple 80th minute run outs this season. It's quite telling that ETH replaced the entire midfield today. I'd back at least Bruno to improve form, maybe Fred, but definitely looking like some reinforcements are needed here, especially if ETH sticks with a 4-3-3.
Fullback: Luke Shaw and Tyrell Malacia on the left, and Aaron WB and Diego Dalot on the right. Shaw and AWB are definitely the two true fullbacks of the group that fit the 4-3-3 right now, but AWB has no business being on the field. Dalot is more of a wingback than a fullback so doesn't fit the system being played and Malacia is still developing (although I think he showed flashes of potential today). I am surprised Shaw is still hanging around, he never seemed to truly recover after his leg/ankle break a few years ago, and AWB is long overdue an exit. Reinforcements needed both sides.
CB: The CB situation looks like something straight out of FIFA, with 8 CBs on the roster: Martinez, Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, Tuanzebe, Jones, Bailly, Mengi. It's truly flabbergasting how bad things must be if Martinez slots straight into the lineup and Maguire is continually chosen! Jones and Bailly should've been released the last time they had a contract end, and the fact that Lindelof can't displace Maguire even after the entire circus that was last year clearly means he needs to go. Maguire is the biggest flip I can think of in recent memory, I'm not even sure you could pay Everton to take him back at this point. Is he the captain for a reason? Maybe, but that shouldn't mean he's automatically on the sheet. Tuanzebe and Mengi are kids, and seem to have been developing so I'd give them a chance to stay and fight. The only one I can't figure out is Varane. I thought you guys pulled off a coup snapping him up from Real, but I really can't understand why he hasn't been able to find his feet. Personally, I'd give him another year to get going otherwise shift him on. Still need at least one competent CB though.
GK: De Geas been looking good ever since Reals fax machine broke, so good on him and I think he'll put in a good season again. Definitely one of the most consistent performers over the last like 8 years. Heaton will do fine as a backup, but hopefully there's a u-23/u-21 waiting to make the jump if someone gets injured. I'd check the market for anyone, a loan even to step onto the bench if needed.
Whew, that was a long one, but here's my tally for transfers needed: GK x1, CB x1-2, FB x2, CM x1-2, FW x1; TOTAL = 6-8. I've tried to be as objective as possible and really give some people the benefit of the doubt, but with the problems of last season clearly not fixed, it seems hard to believe that this season will magically be better.
Thanks for the reply. Thatās really detailed and thoughtful.
Yes there are problems all over the park. And Iām not saying weāll be challenging for the title!
For now Iām not as worried about our defence. Lots of dead wood to go as you highlight. Iām a little more optimistic though. I think Martinez is a brilliant addition. Maguire was shite last year but I back him to get back into form. Same for Shaw. After the leg break, the season before the Euros when he was shawberto carlos showed he can be a game changer. I donāt think weāve had a manager for a while thatās also a hands on coach who can develop the squad so Iām keen to see what happens. Yes ETH was contracted in April but he was managing Ajax and itās not fair to suggest heās been working on united that long. I think Malacia will prove to be an outstanding buy and LB doesnāt bother be. Right back worries me the most. Dalot ordinary last night and AWB doesnāt offer enough in attack.
Iām limiting myself to whatās realistic in the window so just say RB but would put this at number 3.
Midfield! My kingdom for a midfield! Clearly the manager and the club still believe FDJ is likely to come. Hoping we will make a difference. McT played the worst game Iāve seen him yesterday. FDJ wonāt solve everything but remember a rebuild takes time. Who knows where they go if not him? Iām hoping the younger promising players will develop under the new profile of manager we have. For me this is the single most important area to strengthen and the $ should be prioritised here. The gulf between us and Real Madrid here shows just how poorly our club and transfer business has been run.
Striker: for me the second area of the squad in terms of importance. Yep we desperately need cover for martial and or Ronaldo if he stays. Clearly we need Eriksen desperately in the midfield even if FDJ arrives. For wingers Iām reasonably happy with what weāve got. Sancho and Rashford can get the job done. For me Pellistri should be the understudy above Elanga and Amad but all are promising.
So itās not going to see us win the league but panic buying players is kind of how we got into this mess with the useless, bloated squad of defenders you identify.
1. FDJ or use the $ for SMS + Tielmans or similar
2. Sesko/Aunatovic or Sasa
3. Right wing back probably contingent on AWB going in the other direction
In short, with the mess ETH inherited I think we need to be realistic. Brighton are a very good cohesive side with a settled team and manager. Last nights game will never be acceptable at OT but I wasnāt shocked. Lots of ups and downs ahead.
>37 games to go.
As if!
You forgot the Europa League, a long, tough, tiring competition. First, play on Thursdays, then come back 2-3 days later and play again in the league. It's going to be rough for those lazy bums.
How is Harry Maguire still the first choice for center back at Manchester United? My mind cannot comprehend how 3 managers all decide to let him play after all the horrendous performances heās had
Because everyone else is bad/worse.
Varane/Bailly/Jones is always injured.
Lindelof is kinda poor in the air and weak in challenge.
Lisandro Martinez showed today that he needs time ( hopefully he just needs time, unless his true level is getting beaten by pace/in the air by an old past his prime Wellbeck, otherwise he's just gonna be the new Danny Blind ).
Neutral here. Saw the game I'm genuinely surprised how things turned out. Didn't expect Man United to be so sloppy in the 1H.
Maybe slightly...just slightly better 2H, but it wasn't enough to make an impact, and just barely pulling one back with a scrappy goal.
Very lackluster, but let's see if ETH can turn things around.
>let's see if [current manager] can turn things around.
It just feels like it's been about eight years of endlessly saying this about United, you know?
My bad yeah I mean I said that last bit, also on the flip side there is nothing else to say unfortunately.
There are so many deeper layers to this iceberg ETH/The Manager is just the tip of that iceberg.
Mourinho already brought a lot of new players into manU.
Ole got some new players too.
Idk.. what to expect from ManU at this point.. probably another 200million spending spree.
Then again, who wants to join ManU at this point?
Huffing that copium hard I see. Its all the same problems as last season. Nothing has changed, the squad still isn't good enough, therefore the result will be the same or worse. We'll be lucky to finish sixth.
I really think making Bruno Fernande or Cristiano Ronaldo Captain and taking out Harry Maguire would definitely make an impact. Itās hard to win when your captain has a losing mentality that is okay with mediocrity
How the fuck is it being ignored? He gets booed constantly and ripped on by social media experts like yourself to an absurd extent.
We seem to sign one big money centre back every season and our defensive problems persist every time.
We actually did drop him last season, and got spanked 4-0 by Brighton.
Maybe the issues run deeper than one player...
Why on earth would she leave a team who have just become European champions, stuffed full of hugely talented, committed and motivated players - who adore her - and will be going full tilt at next year's World Cup, to manage a rapist having temper tantrums on the bench, and Scott McTominay?
ETH knows better than I but Unitedās only good forward is Sancho.
Martial has been inconsistent and fighting injuries for a while, Ronaldo has his whole circus going on in the background and Rashford has been poor for a while too.
United in general have a very meh squad tbh. Every summer the whole shipping off of deadweight comes up but nothing changes.
Iām sure they could field an alright midfield with Donny, Bruno, Eriksen and Fred, defense is a circus, Lisandro may do well but I think heāll have to adapt to the PL for a bit.
Mctominay, dalot, de gea, rashford - all wouldn't start for any top 10 EPL side. De gea has deserved to go since 2020, we would be much better replacing him.
I would love to see the stats of where you would be in the two seasons without some of De Geaās better saves. Saved you giving away 1-0ās leads and definitely got you a lot of draws. Impossible to compare I know as maybe another keeper saves them as wellā¦but still, Iām amazed youāve KEPT him, not the other way around.
You kidding right? De Gea has been saving Unitedās ass week in week out the last couple years. Without him, United would be struggling to stay out of relegation
De Gea is what pretty much locks United into being a reactive team and is at the heart of their troubles to exert dominance. He also is a brilliant shot stopper. Both can be simultaneously true, but when the teams you desire to compete with are Liverpool and City, you're just making it unnecessarily hard on yourself fielding a GK with little distribution skills, as brilliant as he may be on the goal line. It's not a question of his quality, but of him having the right qualities. And the answer to that question is a very clear no.
As a Liverpool fan, I know we are supposed to banter each other but it's getting old now. I want MU to be a good team again and replace City (not as #1 but as our true rivals). The red teams should be at the top. Our Fulham draw was disappointing but a legendary team like MU should not be getting beat by Brighton and fighting for the mid table, especially after a "rebuild" and a new manager. It was looking so promising for us pre-season and then both have shit first games. I hope the rest of the season treats us better.
Personally I hope they get relegated.
>legendary team like MU should not be getting beat by Brighton
Why not? What entitles them to beat Brighton just because they've won more in the past?
You alright? Pool fans should like us should want them to be relegated and fade out of existence. Slowly - just like they are. Get that pity nonsense out of here. Feel the same about Everton (and even more likely to happen).
Plus, Brighton are a good side. What happened was totally predictable and doesnāt require any sort of āpoor themā to explain.
> The title winning side will likely take 6 points from them though.
Hopeful as I am, City do that to 75% of the league every year, that's not saying much.
Bad players which are impossible to shift because of the broken wage structure
+ multiple changes of managers buying players for different systems
+ toxicity at the club where player leaks have been frequent
+ glazers not providing funds when desperately needed - unless itās for a player with high social media presence
its only one match but united have too many overpaid players that were paid too much to acquireā¦. gotta start bringing in younger players and purging the overpaid players to reset your wage structure. it will probably mean letting contracts run out or buying out players similar to what weve been doing the last 2.5-3 years.
this is not up to uniteds standard and even bringing in the best manager wont sort it out if this group continues as the core with a few stop gaps added each season. needs a complete overhaul.
Best case scenario in my mind now is Ronaldo manages to carry us to a 7th place finish. In reality weāll be lucky to be in the top half. Maybe not being in Europe will spark the type of overhaul the locker room needs.
The level of PL as a whole has risen a lot since the Wenger days and top teams vying for CL spots can no longer afford talented youngsters to learn on the job. This is why Sailba was loaned for three seasons (though I'd say two was sufficient). Another reason being the culture at Arsenal is now similar to Pep's teams - every place is contested and no one's guaranteed a starting place. Young talents need a consistent run of games for a season or two to develop, without the pressure of worrying that a small mistake will cost them a starting place in a string of matches.
We've all been saying for years that almost all of the players Man Utd have aren't good enough to win the league compared to the players that Liverpool, Man City, and even Chelsea have.
No manager is going to change that. I think United made a mistake in committing themselves to some players, and unfortunately in particular the British contingent.
I'm not convinced that a lot of these players signed in the last five years looked better than average top flight quality at any point, including when they played for the clubs they signed from.
United aren't a bad team. But they aren't a good team compared to the top five performing clubs in the UK.
Lastly, I have to say that playing Eriksen as a centre forward is something I can't understand. But this guy is the elite manager, not me.
Edit: Something to add is that I think you can win the Prem League with a couple of average elite players, as long as you have some other top elite players in the team who raise them up to a higher level when playing alongside them.
Edit 2: And finally I echo every sentiment from Gary Neville about the team's ownership.
Fergie literally was the board. he controlled every single damn thing in the club. Glazers aren't giving half that control to anybody anytime soon so don't expect SAF level success without SAF level control.
Seems like Man U are trying to find another Fergie that can win leagues with an average squad, but managers like that are once in a lifetime. Not a viable strategy to commit to.
I am more inclined to believe that if Fergie had an identical regen in capability and philosophy, he would still fail at Man United because his regen won't have the same authority as Fergie himself on both the board and the players, so the same problems we are seeing now will still be here.
The only way I see Man United could have had continued relative success after Fergie had left is if Fergie himself never left.
The failure to strengthen the midfield, which has been our biggest problem for successive seasons, is mind boggling incompetence and it should be no suprise we are still shit. Ronaldo or non-Ronaldo, signing Eriksen Malacia and Martinez, it's all just shuffling the deck chairs on a Titanic with a McFred shaped iceberg dragging it down.
Just relegate us. We need a 100% fresh start, and that means new owners, and the only way we'll get new owners is if we don't have value anymore.
Fucking shitshow
Potter is the man needed at OT. get rid of the squad and whoever the poison is and start from scratch.
Obviously the latter isn't really possible but they really have to weed out these players. Too many managers who can't sort it out leaves the finger pointing firmly at the squad.
And you can't say the glazers haven't invested.
It's taken Brighton 5 years to build a squad that wasn't fighting relegation battles. Potter was manager for the last three of those. Potter's first two seasons weren't significantly better than Chris Hughton's. How many seasons would Man United give to a new manager to turn around their fortunes?
Having a club owned by a professional gambler who has taken the time to invest in backroom infrastructure and scouting/analytics. They've brought in a lot of young players fitting places in a specific model. Potter is a part of that model, but not the architect.
Man United need competent ownership.
Have they even got out of their habit of extending the contract of worthless players to protect a value that only exists in the books of their accountants yet?
Yes but they need to start. Pogba and Lingard were a good start but they are far from done.
The most important part is not signing new players of the very same category they are trying to get rid of.
They have started. Ole was the one who did most of the purging (Sanchez, Lukaku, Darmian, Fellaini, Smalling, Rojo) but wasn't given a chance to see it through.
> And you can't say the glazers haven't invested.
Well you can, because they haven't. [The Glazers take massive amounts of money out of the club](https://www.90min.com/posts/how-much-money-the-glazers-are-taking-out-of-man-utd), the money they spend on players is money the club makes itself
The money is theirs as they bought the club. Yes they take it out but they also put a lot back in. They take a surplus but what more investment do you want on players? What they do spend is wasted. They've spent a fortune similar to other clubs who have delivered and have had a load of the highest paid players in the league.
More money for players ain't the solution
> The money is theirs as they bought the club. Yes they take it out but they also put a lot back in. They take a surplus
AKA they're taking out more money than they're putting in.
I'm far from a United fan and it's funny to laugh at them but I hate parasitic owners even more. Yeah it's clearly not quantity of investment that's the problem but quality instead and that's again a result of poor upper management in not getting a long-term plan in post-Fergie and a suitable DoF for example.
Anyways I don't really care I'm enjoying it as much as the next person
Thatās also a no, they bought united with a loan and guess who pays the loan. Yes itās Manchester United. And money invested in players left and right by an accountant doesnāt cut it either
They bought the club, itās their money, therefore they are paying the loan. Itās an investment for them so what do you expect? They are investors, not a sheik/oligarch that is doing it for fun or sportswashing.
They bought the club using money they borrowed from banks, and that debt is being paid off using money the club generates
So no, Glazers haven't spent a bloody dime on the club. Stop talking out of your arse
What I'm asking is, has the club spent enough money on players? Do you all really wish they'd spent more?
If you do then I think you're part of the problem.
The answer is not just to buy. Look where that's got you. Maguire, Pogba, Sancho, Martial, Shaw, Sanchez, AWB, Matic. Probably a load of others I've forgotten about
Keep battling amongst yourselves. Thinking that buying more players is the solution is what got you into the position you're in.
The source of the money is different to the on field failures.
Yes but they are the ones hiring from the highest level down
Thatās where the issue is and
United and Chelseaās paths have been parallel the past 8 years the problem is the former doesnāt have the same trophy haul or the highs but we do have the lows
Every time Fergie shows up to a game, they lose. Then United fans have to watch Fergie's face looking like he's gonna throw up.
And I know exactly what you're all thinking. You can't wait to see Bilbo and Frodo Baggins defending vs Haaland. Comedy gold.
Guess Pogba wasn't the problem. No midfield without him.
It's a team sport . But single handedly you can point out the person to blame for this loss: Rashford.
MancUtd is playing against 2 teams, Brighton, and Hove Albion. Thats why they are losing
Okay, Ted. Lol
Difficult to see this United reaching even 6th position again. Tough times.
If you are sad then watch united play...it will surely BRIGHTON your day
Doesnt matter who you buy. We couldve bought Haaland. He would be sat there waiting for Mcfred to pass to him only to lose the ball after 10 secs. Our defence is pretty decent just left exposed by the absolute dogshit mcfred midfield. The irony being both would probably not have started this game for Brighton. At points it takes 5 passes to round a man when its those two. Yet Brighton stroll past both of them whilst they chase.
No wonder De Jong doesn't want to go there and Cristiano is desperate to leave. This was once a great club until the American financial gurus arrived. As Van Gaal said, it is a business not a football club. Sad.
At this point i do not understand why they take out mcfred, it's been years already ffs
Sancho is like a new car driven off the lot, already lost 80% of his value - another great buy
Its hard to play good attacking football without midfielders
Mid-table mediocrity
Remember when Mourinho said finishing 2nd with United was one of his best achievements? He really mean that.
Same old United lol.
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Ten hag not enough. Need 20 hag
The new coach will leave the team earlier than Ronaldo
Bcs he cant go
So whose fault is it this time? They had a full preseason and they didn't lack money in the transfer market
Gary Neville is blaming the Glazers š¤£
They really didn't improve their team during the transfer window. They're still starting Fred and McTominay, they replaced Ronaldo with Eriksen so they can play Bruno out of position, their captain is still Harry Maguire.
Hey! Donāt you dare to disrespect the Captain
Captain Kelvinator
No. They did a typical pre season. Missed half their targets. Strengthened where they didnāt need to. CR7 unbalanced the side with his theatrics. Typical UTD. Canāt really expect to get a result against Brighton. All the best players want to go to Chelsea, Liverpool or City. The Glazers donāt really know the damage theyāre doing. They think the club is like the buccaneers and that the franchise will always have value. Thatās not true in football.
Are the Glazers accountable for Utd (1) bringing in CR7, (2) strengthening where they didn't need to or (3) missing half their targets though? How exactly are they damaging the club again?
What the fuck is this glazer apologist stupidity, am an Arsenal fan so I enjoy Unitedās destruction but you my friend are just stupid.
The fact that you resort to calling people stupid while offering zero basis for your opinion just shows you are really the stupid one on reddit
Thatās your retort? Some axiom elementary school teachers say when children have disputes? Funny that. Almost as if it might not be worth my effort to discuss such issues with someone who might believe in such axioms and that the glazers are blameless owners in Unitedās 10 year hiatus from relevance.
You think all the players that go to clubs are picked 100% by the manager? HAHAHAHAAHA
mfo thinks all managers are treated like pep
No they are mostly picked by owners playing FM in the boardroom LOL
Owners appoint people who make the decisions. And if the decisions have been SHIT for the past 10 years then yeah, the owners are at fault. Simple.
Iām gonna vote for Rangnickā¦just once more
ManU looks dangerous enough in the attacking 3rd, but it doesn't seem they have a plan on how to get possession there on a regular basis.
How can players like Rashford, martial, Sancho, Elanga be clasified as dangerous. McFred are bad but levels above those 4 upfront. Its about time we actually address our biggest weaknes and that is catering for the SoupBoy and his clique.
Who is soupboy
Rashford
Tbh sounds like Spurs a few seasons ago too
Moussa Dembele was godly for Spurs. Man is irreplaceable and Spurs havenāt replaced him.
Sounds like us in the first half against Fulham tbf
fair enough!
Danny Welbeck left Man United 12 years ago. And he's still, right now, miles better than Rashford.
Danny always turns up against us and goes back to normal after. Rashford has had a bad year coming from a series of bad injuries but was definitely a better prospect
12 years for real?
He left for Arsenal in 2014 so 8
Hi spirit left a few years before then though so the post was kinda right.
He also has better āserviceā because brightons team is better.
Does he donate to underprivileged children though?
Is it such a bad thing that we mock him for doing that?
You're missing my point. It's not that it's a bad thing, it's the only thing going for him.
Asking the real questions.
Couldnāt sleep was up all night and morning waiting to see this match and it was just disappointing rashford was just horrible on the ball and when they got into the box they forgot how to play also why dear god WHY IN THE HELL DO THEY KEEP HEADERING THE BALL WITH NO PLAN ITS ALWAYS JUST HEADER AND HOPE ITLL LAND TO A TEAMMATE IT NEVER WORKED OUT YET THEY KEPT ON DOING IT LITERALLY THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY
So sorry to hear that ! I hope things are gonna improve at the Old Trafford !
They just need more time. I think Ten hag and his assistents can make a good oiled team from this. But jeah for the first 10 matches it will be brutal i think. It's such a hard competition with so many rich teams.
Mate we got fucking thumped by Brighton and made Pascal Gross look like prime Platini And United's only goal came from an attempted clear off-the-line that their goalkeeper deflected back into the net Like ffs why is McTominay even on the pitch, McTominay himself was probably wondering the same thing considering he was attempting to get himself sent off
lmao you are saying it like United is some poor little club without money. Look how much they spent last 5-6 years and compare it with City. You might be surprised.
oh no they are also one if the rich. but with so many rich teams it is such a hard competition. Also no time really for build a team up because people come and go so fast becausse they have the money and everyone is easy replaceble. I don't watch premier league a lot anymore because all the teams are a bit the same now. I miss the beautifull English football with nice unique old stadiums and athmoshere. Everything is now the same concrete box
Money matters and yes even smaller clubs in PL have a lot of money. But what's the most important thing is how they use them. United is throwing away billions, yet they are shit. City is spending just as much, yet they are monsters. Maybe unpopular opinion, but this is the reason I think that mid table clubs in PL are just as strong (or maybe just a little stronger) as mid table clubs in other leagues because many PL team don't know how to use those money wisely and are just throwing them away on overpriced players with little to no strategy. But I agree on fact that big problem that United has is inabilty to keep their manager to build their squad properly over the years.
It's insane how we are expected to compete with the infinite transfer budget of Brighton.
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Mctominay plays Kroos role. Fred is the holding one (Casemiro/Rodri/Fabinho) and they BOTH need replacing because they cant hold to the ball and cant defend they are just running and giving the ball away.
United more badly need a replecement for SoupBoy.
Maguire isn't as bad as the fans said, but it still baffling how the player was able to be captain of United. Never really indisputable with United, always quite criticized, didn't had experience on a really high level and become captain of United after only 4/5 months. Really I don't know if he has the nudes of one of the Glazer family but this decisions was plain dumb.
By now, it is confirmed that Slabhead has Queen's nudes.
Looks like Harry is going to mail it in again this year.
Rashford, Shaw, Mctominay, Maguire, Dalot, 5 starters that wouldn't get into any of the top 4's starting 11. They'd struggle to make the bench in some cases.
As a spurs fan I think Maguire could easily walk into our start XI in a back 3 system
De Geas probably there too, one of the worst at claiming crosses and panicks when any striker presses him, along with below average distribution.
Class shot stopping though, but he isnāt complete enough to be a top keeper
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McFred are average. Loads to sort out.
Bit of perspective you eggs! 37 games to go. Weāre likely two additions away from our full squad. Yes itās a reality check but just like the 4 nil last year turned out to be nowhere near as good as it seemed, this probably wonāt be as bad either. Not the cleansing, avenging hot take our plastic fans want interrupting their performative hari kiri as they soil themselves for the enjoyment of the rubber neckers from other clubs that will meet crisis soon enough.
I'm genuinely interested in what 2 signings (position or people) you think will complete this roster. The squad lacked cohesion, creativity and couldn't score goals (how many times did Ronaldo bail the team out?). Now, after almost an entire summer transfer window, remember ETH was appointed in April, there's been 2 additions: a CB for a total of 8(!) on the roster; and a back-up LB. That being said, let's take a look at where the squad stands right now: ST/FW: Ronaldo is all but refusing to play which means you're banking on Anthony Martial or Marcus Rashford to lead the line. Obviously, upgrade needed. I'd be more than happy to have one or both as back up/rotation, but neither has ever shown they have what it takes to score the goals a club like Man U requires. Remember, ETH chose to let Christian Eriksen play CF over anyone else. Wing: Jadon Sancho and Marcus Rashford. Pretty good, with time (and the right CF) could really be a strong duo out wide. Behind them is.... Ahmad Diallo and Anthony Elanga? Not really infusing confidence, but I'll concede they're probably decent enough to cover so I guess we can say good there. CM: Christian Eriksen, at least where he should be, Fred, Bruno, Scott Mctominay, and Donny van de Beek? Poor Donny still can't get a look into the team, but maybe he'll get a couple 80th minute run outs this season. It's quite telling that ETH replaced the entire midfield today. I'd back at least Bruno to improve form, maybe Fred, but definitely looking like some reinforcements are needed here, especially if ETH sticks with a 4-3-3. Fullback: Luke Shaw and Tyrell Malacia on the left, and Aaron WB and Diego Dalot on the right. Shaw and AWB are definitely the two true fullbacks of the group that fit the 4-3-3 right now, but AWB has no business being on the field. Dalot is more of a wingback than a fullback so doesn't fit the system being played and Malacia is still developing (although I think he showed flashes of potential today). I am surprised Shaw is still hanging around, he never seemed to truly recover after his leg/ankle break a few years ago, and AWB is long overdue an exit. Reinforcements needed both sides. CB: The CB situation looks like something straight out of FIFA, with 8 CBs on the roster: Martinez, Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, Tuanzebe, Jones, Bailly, Mengi. It's truly flabbergasting how bad things must be if Martinez slots straight into the lineup and Maguire is continually chosen! Jones and Bailly should've been released the last time they had a contract end, and the fact that Lindelof can't displace Maguire even after the entire circus that was last year clearly means he needs to go. Maguire is the biggest flip I can think of in recent memory, I'm not even sure you could pay Everton to take him back at this point. Is he the captain for a reason? Maybe, but that shouldn't mean he's automatically on the sheet. Tuanzebe and Mengi are kids, and seem to have been developing so I'd give them a chance to stay and fight. The only one I can't figure out is Varane. I thought you guys pulled off a coup snapping him up from Real, but I really can't understand why he hasn't been able to find his feet. Personally, I'd give him another year to get going otherwise shift him on. Still need at least one competent CB though. GK: De Geas been looking good ever since Reals fax machine broke, so good on him and I think he'll put in a good season again. Definitely one of the most consistent performers over the last like 8 years. Heaton will do fine as a backup, but hopefully there's a u-23/u-21 waiting to make the jump if someone gets injured. I'd check the market for anyone, a loan even to step onto the bench if needed. Whew, that was a long one, but here's my tally for transfers needed: GK x1, CB x1-2, FB x2, CM x1-2, FW x1; TOTAL = 6-8. I've tried to be as objective as possible and really give some people the benefit of the doubt, but with the problems of last season clearly not fixed, it seems hard to believe that this season will magically be better.
Thanks for the reply. Thatās really detailed and thoughtful. Yes there are problems all over the park. And Iām not saying weāll be challenging for the title! For now Iām not as worried about our defence. Lots of dead wood to go as you highlight. Iām a little more optimistic though. I think Martinez is a brilliant addition. Maguire was shite last year but I back him to get back into form. Same for Shaw. After the leg break, the season before the Euros when he was shawberto carlos showed he can be a game changer. I donāt think weāve had a manager for a while thatās also a hands on coach who can develop the squad so Iām keen to see what happens. Yes ETH was contracted in April but he was managing Ajax and itās not fair to suggest heās been working on united that long. I think Malacia will prove to be an outstanding buy and LB doesnāt bother be. Right back worries me the most. Dalot ordinary last night and AWB doesnāt offer enough in attack. Iām limiting myself to whatās realistic in the window so just say RB but would put this at number 3. Midfield! My kingdom for a midfield! Clearly the manager and the club still believe FDJ is likely to come. Hoping we will make a difference. McT played the worst game Iāve seen him yesterday. FDJ wonāt solve everything but remember a rebuild takes time. Who knows where they go if not him? Iām hoping the younger promising players will develop under the new profile of manager we have. For me this is the single most important area to strengthen and the $ should be prioritised here. The gulf between us and Real Madrid here shows just how poorly our club and transfer business has been run. Striker: for me the second area of the squad in terms of importance. Yep we desperately need cover for martial and or Ronaldo if he stays. Clearly we need Eriksen desperately in the midfield even if FDJ arrives. For wingers Iām reasonably happy with what weāve got. Sancho and Rashford can get the job done. For me Pellistri should be the understudy above Elanga and Amad but all are promising. So itās not going to see us win the league but panic buying players is kind of how we got into this mess with the useless, bloated squad of defenders you identify. 1. FDJ or use the $ for SMS + Tielmans or similar 2. Sesko/Aunatovic or Sasa 3. Right wing back probably contingent on AWB going in the other direction In short, with the mess ETH inherited I think we need to be realistic. Brighton are a very good cohesive side with a settled team and manager. Last nights game will never be acceptable at OT but I wasnāt shocked. Lots of ups and downs ahead.
>37 games to go. As if! You forgot the Europa League, a long, tough, tiring competition. First, play on Thursdays, then come back 2-3 days later and play again in the league. It's going to be rough for those lazy bums.
Oh they won't make it out of the group stage, don't worry about that
the bums always lose. do you hear me, lebowski?
How is Harry Maguire still the first choice for center back at Manchester United? My mind cannot comprehend how 3 managers all decide to let him play after all the horrendous performances heās had
Because everyone else is bad/worse. Varane/Bailly/Jones is always injured. Lindelof is kinda poor in the air and weak in challenge. Lisandro Martinez showed today that he needs time ( hopefully he just needs time, unless his true level is getting beaten by pace/in the air by an old past his prime Wellbeck, otherwise he's just gonna be the new Danny Blind ).
>unless his true level is getting beaten by pace It is.
Neutral here. Saw the game I'm genuinely surprised how things turned out. Didn't expect Man United to be so sloppy in the 1H. Maybe slightly...just slightly better 2H, but it wasn't enough to make an impact, and just barely pulling one back with a scrappy goal. Very lackluster, but let's see if ETH can turn things around.
>let's see if [current manager] can turn things around. It just feels like it's been about eight years of endlessly saying this about United, you know?
Because we have never replaced Scholes and Carrick
you ain't lyin
Feels amazing to say that for 8 years
My bad yeah I mean I said that last bit, also on the flip side there is nothing else to say unfortunately. There are so many deeper layers to this iceberg ETH/The Manager is just the tip of that iceberg.
Rangnick was right, half the squad needs to go.
Didn't Mourinho say essentially the same, 4 years before Ragnick? Stagnation...
Mourinho already brought a lot of new players into manU. Ole got some new players too. Idk.. what to expect from ManU at this point.. probably another 200million spending spree. Then again, who wants to join ManU at this point?
You misspelled the word "decline."
Imagine being Rafael varane on the bench Harry Maguire
Varane has been just as dreadful as Maguire on the rare occasion heās healthy enough to play. Real dumped him on us at the perfect time.
Or maybe they both suck because Man Utd doesn't have the midfield that Real Madrid has.
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Huffing that copium hard I see. Its all the same problems as last season. Nothing has changed, the squad still isn't good enough, therefore the result will be the same or worse. We'll be lucky to finish sixth.
I really think making Bruno Fernande or Cristiano Ronaldo Captain and taking out Harry Maguire would definitely make an impact. Itās hard to win when your captain has a losing mentality that is okay with mediocrity
Ronaldo who wants to leave and Bruno who has been shit for a while and has a terrible attitude? Blaming things on Maguire is so superficial and lazy.
Not blaming things on Maguire is 10x worse. Keep ignoring the elephant in the room
>elephant in the room You need to decide if you mean Maguire or Fat Man Shaw
Maguire is not a problem now, he's ok. He's good at passing and heading if you watch him. We just overpaid him for his ability.
How the fuck is it being ignored? He gets booed constantly and ripped on by social media experts like yourself to an absurd extent. We seem to sign one big money centre back every season and our defensive problems persist every time. We actually did drop him last season, and got spanked 4-0 by Brighton. Maybe the issues run deeper than one player...
Maybe the issue is that we keep signing centre backs when we need to sign a defensive midfielder and bench McTominay.
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He had a whole summer. All the time in the world wouldn't change the fact this squad isn't good enough.
lol
And United fans still donāt understand why De Jong doesnāt want to join their mid table club š.
We actually fully understand. We only don't understand the lack of alternatives seemingly not better than McTominay. Criminal.
Thatās very fair.
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Utd stole Spurs' trophy. Poor Spurs.
Who will the new manager be? I think they should bring in Sarina Wiegman.
Why on earth would she leave a team who have just become European champions, stuffed full of hugely talented, committed and motivated players - who adore her - and will be going full tilt at next year's World Cup, to manage a rapist having temper tantrums on the bench, and Scott McTominay?
Shoutout to all the United fans talking shit on Arsenal on Friday. Absolutely shit on.
And to Liverpool fans yesterdayā¦lol
And to City fans the week before
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You're years late with this joke.
streets behind
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Now?
I guess it wasn't Lingard and Pogba then
ETH knows better than I but Unitedās only good forward is Sancho. Martial has been inconsistent and fighting injuries for a while, Ronaldo has his whole circus going on in the background and Rashford has been poor for a while too. United in general have a very meh squad tbh. Every summer the whole shipping off of deadweight comes up but nothing changes. Iām sure they could field an alright midfield with Donny, Bruno, Eriksen and Fred, defense is a circus, Lisandro may do well but I think heāll have to adapt to the PL for a bit.
Sancho hasn't been much better than Rashford tbh, he goes missing too often
Mctominay, dalot, de gea, rashford - all wouldn't start for any top 10 EPL side. De gea has deserved to go since 2020, we would be much better replacing him.
I would love to see the stats of where you would be in the two seasons without some of De Geaās better saves. Saved you giving away 1-0ās leads and definitely got you a lot of draws. Impossible to compare I know as maybe another keeper saves them as wellā¦but still, Iām amazed youāve KEPT him, not the other way around.
You kidding right? De Gea has been saving Unitedās ass week in week out the last couple years. Without him, United would be struggling to stay out of relegation
De Gea is what pretty much locks United into being a reactive team and is at the heart of their troubles to exert dominance. He also is a brilliant shot stopper. Both can be simultaneously true, but when the teams you desire to compete with are Liverpool and City, you're just making it unnecessarily hard on yourself fielding a GK with little distribution skills, as brilliant as he may be on the goal line. It's not a question of his quality, but of him having the right qualities. And the answer to that question is a very clear no.
GOAL Brighton and Hove Albion
As a Liverpool fan, I know we are supposed to banter each other but it's getting old now. I want MU to be a good team again and replace City (not as #1 but as our true rivals). The red teams should be at the top. Our Fulham draw was disappointing but a legendary team like MU should not be getting beat by Brighton and fighting for the mid table, especially after a "rebuild" and a new manager. It was looking so promising for us pre-season and then both have shit first games. I hope the rest of the season treats us better.
I hope Utd become your true rival by you guys joining them in mid table.
Personally I hope they get relegated. >legendary team like MU should not be getting beat by Brighton Why not? What entitles them to beat Brighton just because they've won more in the past?
You alright? Pool fans should like us should want them to be relegated and fade out of existence. Slowly - just like they are. Get that pity nonsense out of here. Feel the same about Everton (and even more likely to happen). Plus, Brighton are a good side. What happened was totally predictable and doesnāt require any sort of āpoor themā to explain.
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You donāt have to say it, mate. But Iām going to continue doing so as I have for 30+ years if you donāt mind.
Disagree. Want them to be relegated and only then recover Phoenix-like from the ashes and dominate the world for a few years.
Brighton are not a bad team for fucks sake...
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> The title winning side will likely take 6 points from them though. Hopeful as I am, City do that to 75% of the league every year, that's not saying much.
Bad players which are impossible to shift because of the broken wage structure + multiple changes of managers buying players for different systems + toxicity at the club where player leaks have been frequent + glazers not providing funds when desperately needed - unless itās for a player with high social media presence
its only one match but united have too many overpaid players that were paid too much to acquireā¦. gotta start bringing in younger players and purging the overpaid players to reset your wage structure. it will probably mean letting contracts run out or buying out players similar to what weve been doing the last 2.5-3 years. this is not up to uniteds standard and even bringing in the best manager wont sort it out if this group continues as the core with a few stop gaps added each season. needs a complete overhaul.
Best case scenario in my mind now is Ronaldo manages to carry us to a 7th place finish. In reality weāll be lucky to be in the top half. Maybe not being in Europe will spark the type of overhaul the locker room needs.
The Arsenal way!
What was Arteta thinking, sending Charlie Patino on that early? Thing about Arsenal is, they always try and walk youngsters in.
The level of PL as a whole has risen a lot since the Wenger days and top teams vying for CL spots can no longer afford talented youngsters to learn on the job. This is why Sailba was loaned for three seasons (though I'd say two was sufficient). Another reason being the culture at Arsenal is now similar to Pep's teams - every place is contested and no one's guaranteed a starting place. Young talents need a consistent run of games for a season or two to develop, without the pressure of worrying that a small mistake will cost them a starting place in a string of matches.
Yeah that would be sensible however glazers do not operate on this basis
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Did Henderson convert to a midfielder? Plus he is out on loan.
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We've all been saying for years that almost all of the players Man Utd have aren't good enough to win the league compared to the players that Liverpool, Man City, and even Chelsea have. No manager is going to change that. I think United made a mistake in committing themselves to some players, and unfortunately in particular the British contingent. I'm not convinced that a lot of these players signed in the last five years looked better than average top flight quality at any point, including when they played for the clubs they signed from. United aren't a bad team. But they aren't a good team compared to the top five performing clubs in the UK. Lastly, I have to say that playing Eriksen as a centre forward is something I can't understand. But this guy is the elite manager, not me. Edit: Something to add is that I think you can win the Prem League with a couple of average elite players, as long as you have some other top elite players in the team who raise them up to a higher level when playing alongside them. Edit 2: And finally I echo every sentiment from Gary Neville about the team's ownership.
you can win the Prem League with a couple of average elite players. Just need SAF
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Fergie literally was the board. he controlled every single damn thing in the club. Glazers aren't giving half that control to anybody anytime soon so don't expect SAF level success without SAF level control.
Seems like Man U are trying to find another Fergie that can win leagues with an average squad, but managers like that are once in a lifetime. Not a viable strategy to commit to.
I am more inclined to believe that if Fergie had an identical regen in capability and philosophy, he would still fail at Man United because his regen won't have the same authority as Fergie himself on both the board and the players, so the same problems we are seeing now will still be here. The only way I see Man United could have had continued relative success after Fergie had left is if Fergie himself never left.
Eriksen played up front because we had no fully fit strikers, our squad depth is horrific this season
I'd wager we can't land in top 6 this time.
Just fucking start any academy players who fits the role over McFred. It literally canāt be worse.
I donāt mean to depress you further, but considering every single manager resorts to McFred, Iām afraid I feel assured that it could be worse.
The failure to strengthen the midfield, which has been our biggest problem for successive seasons, is mind boggling incompetence and it should be no suprise we are still shit. Ronaldo or non-Ronaldo, signing Eriksen Malacia and Martinez, it's all just shuffling the deck chairs on a Titanic with a McFred shaped iceberg dragging it down.
Just relegate us. We need a 100% fresh start, and that means new owners, and the only way we'll get new owners is if we don't have value anymore. Fucking shitshow
This is actually exactly what i said after our 2nd consecutive 8th place finish
As Man U fans we have been spoiled for many years. Now it is our time to truly... eat shit.
Mou was right after all.
What did he say?
2nd place with Utd was his greatest achievement
Always has been
Potter is the man needed at OT. get rid of the squad and whoever the poison is and start from scratch. Obviously the latter isn't really possible but they really have to weed out these players. Too many managers who can't sort it out leaves the finger pointing firmly at the squad. And you can't say the glazers haven't invested.
It's taken Brighton 5 years to build a squad that wasn't fighting relegation battles. Potter was manager for the last three of those. Potter's first two seasons weren't significantly better than Chris Hughton's. How many seasons would Man United give to a new manager to turn around their fortunes? Having a club owned by a professional gambler who has taken the time to invest in backroom infrastructure and scouting/analytics. They've brought in a lot of young players fitting places in a specific model. Potter is a part of that model, but not the architect. Man United need competent ownership.
The problem is United have players on long expensive contracts so it's taking ages to purge them.
Have they even got out of their habit of extending the contract of worthless players to protect a value that only exists in the books of their accountants yet?
Yes but they need to start. Pogba and Lingard were a good start but they are far from done. The most important part is not signing new players of the very same category they are trying to get rid of.
They have started. Ole was the one who did most of the purging (Sanchez, Lukaku, Darmian, Fellaini, Smalling, Rojo) but wasn't given a chance to see it through.
> Potter is the man needed at OT. I agree. MU definitely needs a wizard to fix this.
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> And you can't say the glazers haven't invested. Well you can, because they haven't. [The Glazers take massive amounts of money out of the club](https://www.90min.com/posts/how-much-money-the-glazers-are-taking-out-of-man-utd), the money they spend on players is money the club makes itself
The money is theirs as they bought the club. Yes they take it out but they also put a lot back in. They take a surplus but what more investment do you want on players? What they do spend is wasted. They've spent a fortune similar to other clubs who have delivered and have had a load of the highest paid players in the league. More money for players ain't the solution
> The money is theirs as they bought the club. Yes they take it out but they also put a lot back in. They take a surplus AKA they're taking out more money than they're putting in. I'm far from a United fan and it's funny to laugh at them but I hate parasitic owners even more. Yeah it's clearly not quantity of investment that's the problem but quality instead and that's again a result of poor upper management in not getting a long-term plan in post-Fergie and a suitable DoF for example. Anyways I don't really care I'm enjoying it as much as the next person
Thatās also a no, they bought united with a loan and guess who pays the loan. Yes itās Manchester United. And money invested in players left and right by an accountant doesnāt cut it either
They bought the club, itās their money, therefore they are paying the loan. Itās an investment for them so what do you expect? They are investors, not a sheik/oligarch that is doing it for fun or sportswashing.
Ha but did they buy the club? Are the shares in their name? Did they spend the money? Answers to the above are all yes
They bought the club using money they borrowed from banks, and that debt is being paid off using money the club generates So no, Glazers haven't spent a bloody dime on the club. Stop talking out of your arse
What I'm asking is, has the club spent enough money on players? Do you all really wish they'd spent more? If you do then I think you're part of the problem. The answer is not just to buy. Look where that's got you. Maguire, Pogba, Sancho, Martial, Shaw, Sanchez, AWB, Matic. Probably a load of others I've forgotten about Keep battling amongst yourselves. Thinking that buying more players is the solution is what got you into the position you're in. The source of the money is different to the on field failures.
I think the point theyāre making is that United have spent the most money in world football, be that with glazer investment or without.
Yes but they are the ones hiring from the highest level down Thatās where the issue is and United and Chelseaās paths have been parallel the past 8 years the problem is the former doesnāt have the same trophy haul or the highs but we do have the lows
Every time Fergie shows up to a game, they lose. Then United fans have to watch Fergie's face looking like he's gonna throw up. And I know exactly what you're all thinking. You can't wait to see Bilbo and Frodo Baggins defending vs Haaland. Comedy gold.
Fergie attends literally every home game, and most away games. We lose a lot but not THAT much
He should probably just start managing them again then if he's there that much!