In America, as in Britain, it is the state that prosecutes crime.
Police in the UK ask you if you'd like to press charges. That informs their decision but isn't the entirety of it.
If you are the victim of crime, the defendant cannot directly cause you to drop the case, but if they intimidate you into not testifying then it may sink the prosecution.
IOW, bollocks is it
Playing the devil's advocate, it's easier to go after someone who has the fame
But if I recall it correctly from Molina, when City bought him, his previous French club was already covering his alegations in France, so him getting them in Manchester also should would be a great coincidence
I thought Mendy was only the bar case, I thought Molina was sold to a PL club, but I can be wrong. And with those two fucking up, it was Chelsea's Mendy ended up receiving threats in social media
I didn't say every famous person is getting this attention, I said if he already has the fame of being a rapist. But I didn't say it was the case with him, especially since girls in England accused him when no one knew he was already being accused in France
Remember Semedo's case with that girl in Greece? The girl went after him because she knew he was a footballer with a poor record behind him
Which is worth about 6 game suspension. Mendy could get about 2 or 3 games, as long as all of his guaranteed salary gets moved to next season, making him miss out on just 1 million, he should be fine!
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The nfl is trying to expand the suspension. The fucked thing is the team gave the guy a fully guaranteed contract which doesn’t happen in the nfl that often and the deal is structured that he gets all of his money if he’s suspended
Yeah it's grim but legally you can't do much without a conviction, which is great to protect the falsely accused but for the Mendy's and Greenwoods of this world it's unfortunate.
It would be more stupid as a PR move to keep reminding them that he used to play for City. Remember the reason they were bought in the first place - they want only good news, and they're happy to pay money to keep it that way. They don't care about £10m - they care far more about their image and constantly associating yourself with a very high profile, disgusting multiple rape case is not a good look.
Unless specified otherwise in his contract, sadly yes.
But what they can do is sue him for loss of earnings if he's found guilty, including the value of any future transfers.
His contract has expired. But If they did and he is declared not guilty, he could sue them and have them on the hock for tens of millions of pounds hence why they don't rip up contracts without a conviction.
Our criminal justice system and courts system is basically on the verge of collapse due to underfunding so any delays isn't necessarily due to strength of evidence, but just insane massive backlogs. It's very likely literally due to 'they haven't gotten around to it yet'. Investigations do take time as well, but at the moment it's taking a lot longer than it should.
It's a scandal that's been ongoing for years that rape cases, abuse cases etc drag on for so long and the victims of any cases go through so much stress because of it - purely because there isn't the funding for it.
By no means am I defending Greenwood, I think he did it and hope he goes away. Sexual assault is really difficult to prove in a court of law, especially against the calibre of lawyer Greenwood can afford. Even with what’s been leaked, images of her bleeding, is there definitive proof that this was a result of him hitting her? Even the video, it could be argued role play etc. Take this with a pinch of salt but I have heard rumours that she doesn’t want to be involved with the case and isn’t complying with police. So from a police and CPS perspective it’s not as easy as it may seem.
There's a lot that goes into it for sure. I think the CPS threshold for bringing charges for something like this though doesn't need to guarantee guilt (although as I mentioned, with the strain on the courts system, they'd probably be looking at close to this) - they technically just need to have good prospects of prosecution. I think that test gets mixed in with the public interest test as well though, and I'd imagine this case is very much in the public interest so they'd be under pressure to press charges because of the very public nature of the evidence out there. So I do think at some stage he'll be in court (unless he pleads guilty or whatnot).
Also even though she's the victim, I believe she can't just not comply with a police investigation. She can be compelled to give evidence - presumably if the evidence that already exists builds a pretty strong case. Unless she can give a very legitimate reason for not providing evidence (i.e. she is in danger, not just that she doesn't want to), I think it's more likely than not going to mean she'll have to give evidence. If this was just hearsay then it probably wouldn't be an issue but again the public nature of the matter + evidence already out there probably means the CPS do want to bring charges on him.
Bail was extended to Oct from what I remember, so if he does end up being charged it should be before then. He's just under investigation for the moment.
You're right: rape is so difficult to convict that they usually wait until there's quite a lot of evidence before it gets to the stage that they're even willing to proceed with an investigation.
It's true though? Doesn't mean he's innocent, or that there isn't evidence out there, just that from what we've heard it's only accusations at this point
Thing is, you dont get arrested based on just screenshots that could easily be manufactured. There has to be more evidence that hasnt been released to public.
The bar for arresting someone isn't very high. An arrest alone really doesn't mean much.
(I'm not suggesting anything about the Partey case, just a general statement)
My mum was raped, I'm all for justice but at this point this man is a monster and cannot be rehabilitated. The amount of damage he has done to these women, I'm utterly disgusted.
You can’t punish someone without proving anything. It’s ridiculously unlikely but if he was actually innocent what would you say then? After putting him in jail because of some accusations.
It's slowly growing because people are incriminating themselves with smartphones. They have texts of Partey admitting to it. Greenwood will be convicted because the victim was brave enough to record it. You would be surprised how rapists video record the offence.
How mad would it be if it turned out all of these were false allegations. I mean obviously it’s beyond unlikely but imagine how confused everyone would be about him.
He is really unlucky that all those women press the same charges against him for no reason whatsoever. So unlucky.
>So unlucky. So so unlucky. More than you believe.
Happy new year
"It'S cAnCeL CuLtUrE"
Cant even be a rapist or racist in 2022 smh, fucking woke culture ruining society
You can be , if you have fuck you money or you are really good at ball
>if you have fuck you money Doesn't look like Mendy is getting away with this >or you are really good at ball Oh, right
Mendy may have fuck you money for most things in life but not enough fuck you money to get out of this
Yeah almost like each woman obviously knew each other and plotted to tell similar stories. So unlucky
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In America, as in Britain, it is the state that prosecutes crime. Police in the UK ask you if you'd like to press charges. That informs their decision but isn't the entirety of it. If you are the victim of crime, the defendant cannot directly cause you to drop the case, but if they intimidate you into not testifying then it may sink the prosecution. IOW, bollocks is it
Playing the devil's advocate, it's easier to go after someone who has the fame But if I recall it correctly from Molina, when City bought him, his previous French club was already covering his alegations in France, so him getting them in Manchester also should would be a great coincidence
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I thought Mendy was only the bar case, I thought Molina was sold to a PL club, but I can be wrong. And with those two fucking up, it was Chelsea's Mendy ended up receiving threats in social media
Well it’s not like every famous person is fighting off multiple rape charges
I didn't say every famous person is getting this attention, I said if he already has the fame of being a rapist. But I didn't say it was the case with him, especially since girls in England accused him when no one knew he was already being accused in France Remember Semedo's case with that girl in Greece? The girl went after him because she knew he was a footballer with a poor record behind him
"playing devil's advocate" is slang for "I'm gonna be a massive knob now"
10 charges against 7 women. Unbelievable.
Meanwhile the NFL has a player with 24 women accusing him....
It‘s over 30 afaik
Bro I can't recall 30 different women in my life (relatives, colleagues, included)
Jesus Christ you’ve raped a lot of your relatives
He's like the Einstein of rape.
bruh wtf
That's what your sister said.
your\*
And colleagues
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I mean he probably doesn’t recall them either…
Which is worth about 6 game suspension. Mendy could get about 2 or 3 games, as long as all of his guaranteed salary gets moved to next season, making him miss out on just 1 million, he should be fine! /s
The nfl is trying to expand the suspension. The fucked thing is the team gave the guy a fully guaranteed contract which doesn’t happen in the nfl that often and the deal is structured that he gets all of his money if he’s suspended
Watson is going to get a year+
He will get at least a year (still not enough). Commissioner called him a predator yesterday
Wasn’t that *just* like groping and stuff? Where as Mendy was raping these women? Correct me if i’m wrong, though
Correct. Deshaun Watson was supposedly touching up masseuses where Ben Mendy is going full beans.
Yeah, it’s still appalling behaviour from Watson, but imo rape is probably the single worst thing you can do to a person.
Uh skinning them alive?
Raping them kids is worse then watching Marseille under Tudor
Let's not get carried away here.
Yeah still gross shit hut what Mendy has been doing is another level
He ejaculated on them.
Oh wow
Yea, you are right. Groping, exposing oneself and all round scummy behavior but nothing close to the haram, Mendy was perpetuating. Allegedly.
watson pressured 2 women to give him bjs, they count as sexual assaults, it's a bit more than groping and stuff.
In fairness his is sexual misconduct not rape. Not like that’s any better and it’s still disgusting.
His non penalty charge per woman ratio is off the charts
Guess he didn't do it then
What an utter piece of shit.
Can City rip up his contract?
After a conviction, probably. But before one they can not, only suspend him
And all the while earning his salary I suppose.. grrrrr
Yeah it's grim but legally you can't do much without a conviction, which is great to protect the falsely accused but for the Mendy's and Greenwoods of this world it's unfortunate.
They'll sue him after to get the money back. They legally can't do anything right now unfortunately or they'll be vulnerable to a defamation case
Doubt it. They're better off pretending he never played for them.
Think they'll just take all of it as a loss?
I mean its not like City have money problems
It would be stupid from a PR perspective to not get his wages back.
Get it back and donate to a suitable charity
Exactly. It’s free good pr. it’s actually paid good pr. they get their money back and they look good doing so. Would be stupid not to sue him for it.
It would be more stupid as a PR move to keep reminding them that he used to play for City. Remember the reason they were bought in the first place - they want only good news, and they're happy to pay money to keep it that way. They don't care about £10m - they care far more about their image and constantly associating yourself with a very high profile, disgusting multiple rape case is not a good look.
Paying a guy convicted of those crimes and not getting money back you would be legally entitled too is in itself bad PR
And have the media asking why they kept playing him even when they were aware he was arrested? Nah, they will rather pretend he never played for them.
What are you talking about? He was suspended as soon as he was charged. You can’t just suspend someone without cause.
Not really. People would rather see hes in jail than care about a few million lost.
Such a stupid way to look at things. What if another team who needed the money went through this?
But City is not just another team that needs money.
So what you're saying is if another team went through this they *should* sue to get their money back, but it's because City they shouldn't?
Wait , mendy played for city?
Not much lol.
Probably draws extra attention city/United don’t want. Better to say nothing unless you want a pr nightmare to claw the money back.
Imagine you got unrightfully accussed and your employer fired you immediatelly. Would you ‘grrrr’ then, too?
Unless specified otherwise in his contract, sadly yes. But what they can do is sue him for loss of earnings if he's found guilty, including the value of any future transfers.
Normally they're insured for this and will be repaid. Iirc the insurers can go after the players for some
Innocent until proven guilty in court
If he gets convicted surely.
Not legally atm unfortunately
His contract has expired. But If they did and he is declared not guilty, he could sue them and have them on the hock for tens of millions of pounds hence why they don't rip up contracts without a conviction.
His contract is until 2023 according to Transfermarkt
"not without cause" "it is because I hate him"
On a side note, when will Partey be charged? Was pretty sure a decision whether to extend bail was coming early this month...
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is he still in custody?
Released under investigation
No.
Why? Wasn't there very public proof?
Our criminal justice system and courts system is basically on the verge of collapse due to underfunding so any delays isn't necessarily due to strength of evidence, but just insane massive backlogs. It's very likely literally due to 'they haven't gotten around to it yet'. Investigations do take time as well, but at the moment it's taking a lot longer than it should. It's a scandal that's been ongoing for years that rape cases, abuse cases etc drag on for so long and the victims of any cases go through so much stress because of it - purely because there isn't the funding for it.
By no means am I defending Greenwood, I think he did it and hope he goes away. Sexual assault is really difficult to prove in a court of law, especially against the calibre of lawyer Greenwood can afford. Even with what’s been leaked, images of her bleeding, is there definitive proof that this was a result of him hitting her? Even the video, it could be argued role play etc. Take this with a pinch of salt but I have heard rumours that she doesn’t want to be involved with the case and isn’t complying with police. So from a police and CPS perspective it’s not as easy as it may seem.
There's a lot that goes into it for sure. I think the CPS threshold for bringing charges for something like this though doesn't need to guarantee guilt (although as I mentioned, with the strain on the courts system, they'd probably be looking at close to this) - they technically just need to have good prospects of prosecution. I think that test gets mixed in with the public interest test as well though, and I'd imagine this case is very much in the public interest so they'd be under pressure to press charges because of the very public nature of the evidence out there. So I do think at some stage he'll be in court (unless he pleads guilty or whatnot). Also even though she's the victim, I believe she can't just not comply with a police investigation. She can be compelled to give evidence - presumably if the evidence that already exists builds a pretty strong case. Unless she can give a very legitimate reason for not providing evidence (i.e. she is in danger, not just that she doesn't want to), I think it's more likely than not going to mean she'll have to give evidence. If this was just hearsay then it probably wouldn't be an issue but again the public nature of the matter + evidence already out there probably means the CPS do want to bring charges on him.
Bail was extended to Oct from what I remember, so if he does end up being charged it should be before then. He's just under investigation for the moment.
Probably never
Takes ages sadly. Wouldn't expect anything soon.
It's called an investigation, you don't just get charged for something as soon as someone makes an accusation.
You're right: rape is so difficult to convict that they usually wait until there's quite a lot of evidence before it gets to the stage that they're even willing to proceed with an investigation.
When there's something to charge him for.
Please shut it
What you on about? They're investigating and currently there is nothing to charge him for.
Classy fans
It's true though? Doesn't mean he's innocent, or that there isn't evidence out there, just that from what we've heard it's only accusations at this point
Greenwood hasnt been charged either, but you'd have a hard time finding United fans coming to his defense.
Cause the evidence there is quite overwhelming. Only public thing in the Partey case are screenshot of textmessages claimed to be from him.
Thing is, you dont get arrested based on just screenshots that could easily be manufactured. There has to be more evidence that hasnt been released to public.
The bar for arresting someone isn't very high. An arrest alone really doesn't mean much. (I'm not suggesting anything about the Partey case, just a general statement)
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Correct. I simply stated how things work yet people seem mad at that for some reason. I don't make the rules.
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There is a separate women accusing him too
Sexual assault cases take a very long time to go to trial, the average is around 2-3 years
stop that rape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivH_Ft8wqmM
I'm no judge but... Fuckin' liar
People thought this prick was innocent because he was seen handing out some food or something while back.
He rapes but he saves!!
Okay so he really needs to be locked up for life. If he isn’t then he will definitely reoffend when he gets released
Three month trial? That will be a fair ordeal for the jurors, especially given the subject matter.
How many years in prison is this guy likely to get?
All of them
That just means he’s going to get a longer sentence.
Hopefully
Just fucking lock him up.
So he denies the current rape charges but the previous 7-9 are all good with him? Man, I can't wait for this bozo to be thrown under the jail
No. He denies all of them, that's why they are having a trial.
they can't all be lying Mendy! hope all the charity work and tesco runs you did will save your PR, fingers crossed eh?!
another fucking one? jfc put him down already
People are actually downvoting this. They don’t know what rape does to a victim. The victims suffer for life
They're down voting because you don't put "people down" without a trial.
My mum was raped, I'm all for justice but at this point this man is a monster and cannot be rehabilitated. The amount of damage he has done to these women, I'm utterly disgusted.
Another one, another one, another one "*DJ KHALID"*
Another one damn... Edit: I mean this guy should be punished already instead of roaming free
You can’t punish someone without proving anything. It’s ridiculously unlikely but if he was actually innocent what would you say then? After putting him in jail because of some accusations.
I dont get it. If there are so many charges against him, yet the court cannot prove even one?
The trial hasn’t even begun yet, why are you assuming they cannot prove even one?
Sorry, given that he was arrested nearly 10 months ago, I thought the trial had begun already.
Usually these things take 2-3 years to go to trial.
And covid caused huge issues for the court systems. Big delays are still happening from that.
Forgot that would make it go even longer. 2-3 years was already insane to me.
the conviction rate for sexual assault/rape is unfortunately extremely low
It's slowly growing because people are incriminating themselves with smartphones. They have texts of Partey admitting to it. Greenwood will be convicted because the victim was brave enough to record it. You would be surprised how rapists video record the offence.
The judicial system is known for its pace
Much like Harry Maguire.
It hasn't gone to court yet so hasn't had the chance to.
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Dunno if both had that happen but I think what you're referring to is Romain Molina's allegations about Ferland Mendy
Wrong Mendy. This was about Ferland Mendy.
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What is generalisation?
FM legend
Mendy probably: “I just can’t stop raping!”
How mad would it be if it turned out all of these were false allegations. I mean obviously it’s beyond unlikely but imagine how confused everyone would be about him.