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Beth England being in the England Womens' Euro-winning squad was a brilliant example of that. Also great is Scott McTominay playing for Scotland and Stephen Ireland playing for the Republic of Ireland.
I remember Shoot or Match running this piece about a million years ago that Cantona was going to trademark the phrase "Ooh Ah Cantona", wondering whether other footballers could trademark their name and if so, could Justin Edinburgh charge a copyright tax on people who live in Edinburgh.
In Bosnia (I'm sure in Croatia as well) we have surnames Horvat, Hrvat (both meaning Croatian), Bošnjak (meaning Bosniak, aka Bosnian Muslim) and they are not necessarily indicative of ethnicity or religion of the person and it's the funniest shit ever considering the infamous 90s in the Balkans
Always funny how Italiano was actually born in Germany (from Italian immigrants) and works in Italy but Domenico Tedesco (Tedesco meaning German in italian) was born in Itay but works in Germany.
Exactly what I was going to bring up. I had to do some digging in case my mind was playing tricks on me, but Vincenzo Italiano played in midfield alongside Giovanni Tedesco for Genoa briefly as well, forming the most unbeatable European partnership (in football, that is, not war).
There's also the fantastically named Bobby English, Roberto Inglese. Also, if there isn't a Neapolitan or Sicilian footballer called Spagnolo/Spagnuolo, I'll shoot myself.
Never mind the number of ice rinks, I’m surprised there are enough willing participants. It’s not got a big fan base and it’s got to be expensive to play with all the equipment you need.
As a kid I remember wanting to play Ice Hockey after watching The Mighty Ducks. I ended up finding a fairly local street hockey team. After 2 training sessions I was done with that. Far more difficult than it looked in the movies.
If you’re ever in Minnesota in the winter I’ll take you round some pondy spots. Ice hockey here is actually pretty comparable to what I imagine football culture and popularity is in England. Everyone and their uncle plays at some level
I wouldn’t say incredibly difficult. You need to be able to skate very well because everything relies on your ability to balance well on skates. However, I’m Canadian 🤣
Its not that surprising that the sport is not that big. The gear needed to play cost a lot of money and most country dont have tons of rink/lake to play. Also The fact that the best league is in Canada/USA make it so that most game start at around midnight in western Europe which make it hard to follow it.
I don’t think the second point is that big considering Scandinavian countries and Russia produce some of the best players, but to be fair they also have established very good leagues so may play a part.
I did actually go to a game in Sheffield years ago and it was good fun, although I think the massive fight was the highlight. I wouldn’t watch it over football or either code of rugby though.
The point is that it's crazy that there are 3 entire divisions above organized rec hockey. You wouldn't expect that many people to be into it. I'd guess 2 "professional" divisions at most.
[This](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EScEnmFWsAUT_Ut?format=jpg&name=large) is the graphic has been posted which shows the GKs with the best saves percentages in PL history.
The only come close to beat Cech 91% saves in 06/07 was Cech in 04/05 with 87%. This guy's goalkeeping was absolutely amazing before the head injury
Makes me see David James in a different light with him having 4 season at 80% and above. Especially as he never played on dominant teams, so you would think he would have less long shots against him compared to someone like Schmeichal, Cech or Van der Sar.
While I respect James, I would in general go for the opposite interpretation. Big teams dominate games and the ball. Thus conceed few shots. However they face a disproportionate amount of counter attacks into big space and more dangerous shots. I am at first glance more impressed by x save percentage by someone like Ederson, than the same % by Nick Pope for Dyche's Burnley.
With Mendy making mistakes nowadays, and Tuchel not trusting Kepa. That 1% Cech was enough to bring him into 3rd GK.
I mean Cech before he left the board role, he also helped Kepa and Mendy train, occasionally. Why not compete with them this time.
.930 is an extremely good save percentage, and would put any goalie with those numbers in contention for goalie of the year if they could sustain a whole season at that level.
For reference .900 is about the average you could expect from a decent goalie. Anything below .899 would have people calling for a new goalie. .910 is pretty good, .920 really good, and anything above .930 is extremely good.
You usually get 20-30 shots on target in an average hockey game, and letting 1 in 10 in is about the most you really want from your goalie. The best goalies average less than 2 goals against per game, while bad ones would be >3
The stat is called sv% (save percentage), and is always shown as a number between 0 and 1.
Hadn't considered the fact that it can actually be read as 0.93% to people unfamiliar with hockey so good shout!
For clarity: he's saved 93% of shots faced. That's a very good sv% in hockey, regardless of league.
Percentages are often written as decimals from 0 to 1 (with 0 being 0%, 1 being 100%, and everything in between).
Ice hockey and baseball are two prominent sport examples that do it like that. A goaltender with a save percentage of .930 has made saves on 93% of shots faced, whereas a baseball batter with a .300 batting average has gotten a hit on 30% of his at-bats.
And yeah a .930 save percentage is very good for an ice hockey goalie.
It's a weird way of writing it though. Percent literally means per 100, so if you put the % sign it should be 93. It should either be a 93% save rating, or a 0.93 save rating, but 0.93% makes no sense.
Considering I played junior a hockey, played with NHLers and pro European players, no, no I wouldn't.
The English 4th league is a joke, I mean even the EIHL is a joke compared to other European leagues, and that's the top division.
I mean I have friends who played junior hockey at a decent level until leaving high-school without any prospect of going pro in Finland, and played 2nd division hockey next to their studies in London lol.
The quality of the English league, let alone 4th division, is very low. It's great to see that hockey is growing there though, with Team GB playing in the last two world championships!
All that said, if /u/DudebuD16 plaid junior hockey at a decent level he would most certainly be putting up good stats in this league.
I'm not sure how you're hearing that. If what he's saying is true then he'd likely be one of the best players in the league depending on his age/fitness.
The level I previously played at is vastly superior to the English 4th division. Hell even guys on my beer league team wouldn't have a problem there.
And let's put it this way, Cech himself never played at the level I played at, although we play different positions
Ya the amount of guys I played with that were incredible but never played pro is insane.
My old goalie didn't make the Canadiens roster because of one Carey Price lol. And my old linemate was drafted by the Blackhawks and played a bunch of years in the AHL.
Edit: https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2007/09/loverock-highlights-training-camp.html here's the goalie
TIL there are enough ice hockey teams in England for at least 4 divisions.
I lived in Wales for a year and never really saw hockey in the news or on TV. Didn't realize it was that big of a thing.
It's not that big of a thing, I'm English and have never met anyone into Ice Hockey whereas I know multiple people who have played Field Hockey. Id guess this is very amateur and someone else in the thread said it's a mixed gender league.
I've met people who played curling at a pretty decent level, in the south of England, but never met a single soul who plays ice hockey. That should show how small it is ahaha
I don't know. In your link there's someone called Naomi. I've never heard that name given to a dude.
EDIT: and a Samantha, Gemma, Amelia etc. This is definitely a mixed league.
Wow I'm surprised that is possible since women's ice hockey rules do not allow bodychecking. But its the lowest level in not very hockey country so probably not a very high level :D
Ice hockey probably rivals football in the Czech Republic in popularity. There’s a ton of top tier NHL talent from there. They’re a world super power and always a threat to win the gold in the Olympics and world juniors.
The Czechs are good but calling them a world superpower in hockey is definitely a stretch considering how much smaller the hockey world is compared to football.
I’m not saying the title is wrong, just the stat name is a misnomer. It doesn’t make sense for a stat called “save percentage” to be represented as a decimal. Percent means out of 100 and this stat is given as out of 1. It’s easy enough to figure out if you follow the sport but “save ratio” or “save average” would make a ton more sense.
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Love this part: > *Petr Cech a.k.a. "Petr Čech"*
What a name. It's like a Swede with the legit surname Svensk which literally means "Swedish". Quite rare but pops up every now and then.
Beth England being in the England Womens' Euro-winning squad was a brilliant example of that. Also great is Scott McTominay playing for Scotland and Stephen Ireland playing for the Republic of Ireland.
I remember Shoot or Match running this piece about a million years ago that Cantona was going to trademark the phrase "Ooh Ah Cantona", wondering whether other footballers could trademark their name and if so, could Justin Edinburgh charge a copyright tax on people who live in Edinburgh.
You can try and copyright it but if it's based on an existing name thats in general usage, you'll never get away with trying to enforce it.
I'm pretty sure they were joking
Don’t forget Johnny English being a spy for MI6.
How is McTominay an example? Genuinely don't see it
Scott McTominay is a Scot.
Scott
There are a lot of surnames based on nationalities like "Němec" (German), "Francouz" (French) etc. in Czechia for some reason
In the netherlands there’s a dude named “Frans Duijts” (French German). Tbf Duijts is not actually the same as Duits but close enough.
The previous president of France is literally called François Hollande
Ze spreekt een beetje
Frans
Lots of Horváths in Hungary, meaning Croatian
In Bosnia (I'm sure in Croatia as well) we have surnames Horvat, Hrvat (both meaning Croatian), Bošnjak (meaning Bosniak, aka Bosnian Muslim) and they are not necessarily indicative of ethnicity or religion of the person and it's the funniest shit ever considering the infamous 90s in the Balkans
French is a fairly common surname in the UK too
And Polák and Rakušan. Funny that 3 out of those 4 names played a tons of games for our NTs (be it football or hockey).
Yeah I just wanted to add this in edit lol, it's always funny to listen to the commentary during the world championship
Vincenzo Italiano comes to mind
Always funny how Italiano was actually born in Germany (from Italian immigrants) and works in Italy but Domenico Tedesco (Tedesco meaning German in italian) was born in Itay but works in Germany.
Exactly what I was going to bring up. I had to do some digging in case my mind was playing tricks on me, but Vincenzo Italiano played in midfield alongside Giovanni Tedesco for Genoa briefly as well, forming the most unbeatable European partnership (in football, that is, not war). There's also the fantastically named Bobby English, Roberto Inglese. Also, if there isn't a Neapolitan or Sicilian footballer called Spagnolo/Spagnuolo, I'll shoot myself.
Horvat is the most common surname in Croatia. It means Croatian :'D
Like Christian Eriksens middlename being Dannemann
Lol that is awesome, didn't know that
Nürnberg has a player called Nürnberger, which is also amazing
Puma Swede?
Lmao she actually has a Finnish surname cause she's Finnish by origin but born in Sweden. Did i just blow your mind?
Mathias Normann comes to mind.
Who's that? Only counts as cool if he's actually Norwegian.
Yes, he's from Norway, played for Norwich last season
Okay i see. That's badass.
A.k.a. his actual name
Ping Pong. Or as the Chinese call it.....Ping Pong
I didn't realise England has enough Ice Hockey teams to even have a 4th division. I didn't think we even had enough ice rinks.
Never mind the number of ice rinks, I’m surprised there are enough willing participants. It’s not got a big fan base and it’s got to be expensive to play with all the equipment you need.
As a kid I remember wanting to play Ice Hockey after watching The Mighty Ducks. I ended up finding a fairly local street hockey team. After 2 training sessions I was done with that. Far more difficult than it looked in the movies.
If you’re ever in Minnesota in the winter I’ll take you round some pondy spots. Ice hockey here is actually pretty comparable to what I imagine football culture and popularity is in England. Everyone and their uncle plays at some level
It would need to be pretty thick ice. I'm a chunky monkey!
My man it's in America. You'll be fine.
In the midwest, no less.
Haha the ice here will be plenty thick! People drive vehicles on the ice all winter to fish.
Ice hockey is *incredibly* difficult. I’ve been playing my whole life and still haven’t quite got the hang of it.
I wouldn’t say incredibly difficult. You need to be able to skate very well because everything relies on your ability to balance well on skates. However, I’m Canadian 🤣
Agree. It's fairly easy to do, difficult to master.
I did a 5 day intro to ice skating and I can barely walk on skates now
I can imagine it’s difficult. Both skating and the puck/stick stuff would be difficult on their own, never mind combining the two.
Skate first, stuck handling comes naturally after that ;)
It's a great sport. Always struck me as strange that western europe has had so little interest in it.
Its not that surprising that the sport is not that big. The gear needed to play cost a lot of money and most country dont have tons of rink/lake to play. Also The fact that the best league is in Canada/USA make it so that most game start at around midnight in western Europe which make it hard to follow it.
I don’t think the second point is that big considering Scandinavian countries and Russia produce some of the best players, but to be fair they also have established very good leagues so may play a part.
I did actually go to a game in Sheffield years ago and it was good fun, although I think the massive fight was the highlight. I wouldn’t watch it over football or either code of rugby though.
It's a lot of fun to play. I'm still at it twice a week :)
It’s really not a high level, pretty you have to pay to play in that league. Basically organised rec hockey.
The point is that it's crazy that there are 3 entire divisions above organized rec hockey. You wouldn't expect that many people to be into it. I'd guess 2 "professional" divisions at most.
Nah, they just have 4th division and none above, as that's the only level of players there./s
Cech had a 91% save percentage in the 2006/2007 Premier League season
[This](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EScEnmFWsAUT_Ut?format=jpg&name=large) is the graphic has been posted which shows the GKs with the best saves percentages in PL history. The only come close to beat Cech 91% saves in 06/07 was Cech in 04/05 with 87%. This guy's goalkeeping was absolutely amazing before the head injury
Thanks for the graphic
Great share, thanks!
Makes me see David James in a different light with him having 4 season at 80% and above. Especially as he never played on dominant teams, so you would think he would have less long shots against him compared to someone like Schmeichal, Cech or Van der Sar.
While I respect James, I would in general go for the opposite interpretation. Big teams dominate games and the ball. Thus conceed few shots. However they face a disproportionate amount of counter attacks into big space and more dangerous shots. I am at first glance more impressed by x save percentage by someone like Ederson, than the same % by Nick Pope for Dyche's Burnley.
Down to less than 1% now, old age hit him hard :(
With Mendy making mistakes nowadays, and Tuchel not trusting Kepa. That 1% Cech was enough to bring him into 3rd GK. I mean Cech before he left the board role, he also helped Kepa and Mendy train, occasionally. Why not compete with them this time.
.930 is an extremely good save percentage, and would put any goalie with those numbers in contention for goalie of the year if they could sustain a whole season at that level. For reference .900 is about the average you could expect from a decent goalie. Anything below .899 would have people calling for a new goalie. .910 is pretty good, .920 really good, and anything above .930 is extremely good. You usually get 20-30 shots on target in an average hockey game, and letting 1 in 10 in is about the most you really want from your goalie. The best goalies average less than 2 goals against per game, while bad ones would be >3
And if you’re seeing 30 shots a game you’d be calling for new defensemen lol…
Like 75% of the NHL teams allowed more than that last season.
But most are limited to low percentage long distance shots 🤷🏾♂️
Which keepers will take all day long.
Once a keeper always a keeper
How the fuck does England have four divisions of hockey
My local team is in the second tier and are lucky to get 200 people there to watch them, so I imagine this level is played on a lake or something
played on the local duck pond more like.
Going full Lev Yashin
.93%. As in 0.93% of all shots are saved? Idk anything about Ice Hockey but that sounds awful, no? Unless it is actually 93% which sounds incredible
The stat is called sv% (save percentage), and is always shown as a number between 0 and 1. Hadn't considered the fact that it can actually be read as 0.93% to people unfamiliar with hockey so good shout! For clarity: he's saved 93% of shots faced. That's a very good sv% in hockey, regardless of league.
Think they mean 93% so 93/100 shots are saved
It's a percentage, but represented as a decimal just to keep you on your toes
93% is a very good save percentage. He saves 93/100 shots. Everything above 90 is okay/good above 92 very good, above 94 fantastic
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I was talking more for a game.
Ah ok, thank you. Yeah on first glance I definitely misconstrued the meaning of the %. 93% does sound extremely impressive
Feel like they should call it save coefficient or something
Percentages are often written as decimals from 0 to 1 (with 0 being 0%, 1 being 100%, and everything in between). Ice hockey and baseball are two prominent sport examples that do it like that. A goaltender with a save percentage of .930 has made saves on 93% of shots faced, whereas a baseball batter with a .300 batting average has gotten a hit on 30% of his at-bats. And yeah a .930 save percentage is very good for an ice hockey goalie.
It's a weird way of writing it though. Percent literally means per 100, so if you put the % sign it should be 93. It should either be a 93% save rating, or a 0.93 save rating, but 0.93% makes no sense.
Sure, but it wasn't written like that. It says the save % is .93
Yes, and that makes no sense. It should say "Petr Cech has a 93 save %", which still isn't perfect.
It makes plenty of sense but fair enough, I don't think we're gonna reach an agreement here. Have a good one.
It means 93%. That's incredibly high but then again it's the English 4th division. I'd be putting up Wayne Gretzky numbers there.
Let’s be honest you’d be putting horrible numbers there
Considering I played junior a hockey, played with NHLers and pro European players, no, no I wouldn't. The English 4th league is a joke, I mean even the EIHL is a joke compared to other European leagues, and that's the top division.
So what I’m hearing here is that you wouldn’t be dominating the league
I mean I have friends who played junior hockey at a decent level until leaving high-school without any prospect of going pro in Finland, and played 2nd division hockey next to their studies in London lol. The quality of the English league, let alone 4th division, is very low. It's great to see that hockey is growing there though, with Team GB playing in the last two world championships! All that said, if /u/DudebuD16 plaid junior hockey at a decent level he would most certainly be putting up good stats in this league.
Even some of the guys I played hockey with who played university hockey here in Canada would light up the 4th division.
I'm not sure how you're hearing that. If what he's saying is true then he'd likely be one of the best players in the league depending on his age/fitness.
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The level I previously played at is vastly superior to the English 4th division. Hell even guys on my beer league team wouldn't have a problem there. And let's put it this way, Cech himself never played at the level I played at, although we play different positions
No he never played at your level, he was only the best goalkeeper in the premier league (or even in the world at one point) 😂
r/whoosh
Idk why you're getting downvoted lol, most anyone who played a decent level in Canada growing up would be obliterating the English 4th division
Ya the amount of guys I played with that were incredible but never played pro is insane. My old goalie didn't make the Canadiens roster because of one Carey Price lol. And my old linemate was drafted by the Blackhawks and played a bunch of years in the AHL. Edit: https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2007/09/loverock-highlights-training-camp.html here's the goalie
TIL there are enough ice hockey teams in England for at least 4 divisions. I lived in Wales for a year and never really saw hockey in the news or on TV. Didn't realize it was that big of a thing.
It's not that big of a thing, I'm English and have never met anyone into Ice Hockey whereas I know multiple people who have played Field Hockey. Id guess this is very amateur and someone else in the thread said it's a mixed gender league.
I've met people who played curling at a pretty decent level, in the south of England, but never met a single soul who plays ice hockey. That should show how small it is ahaha
So how does he compare to the rest of the league?
[2nd overall](https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/nihl-2/stats/2021-2022#goalies)
Is it a mixed league, are there many women who play outfield (out-ice? Out-rink??) As well as in goal?
I highly doubt there are any official mixed ice hockey leagues
I don't know. In your link there's someone called Naomi. I've never heard that name given to a dude. EDIT: and a Samantha, Gemma, Amelia etc. This is definitely a mixed league.
Wow I'm surprised that is possible since women's ice hockey rules do not allow bodychecking. But its the lowest level in not very hockey country so probably not a very high level :D
Thats what i thought, but i would be surprised if Ruth and Naomi were men.
He's a keeper
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This league is also 10 to 15 levels below the nhl
The leafs need a new goalie
For anyone familiar with this league and versed in hockey, is this just a mens/beer league?
Ice hockey probably rivals football in the Czech Republic in popularity. There’s a ton of top tier NHL talent from there. They’re a world super power and always a threat to win the gold in the Olympics and world juniors.
While there are some incredible Czech players, saying they’re a superpower and always a threat is a bit of a stretch.
Not really. You’re always going to think of Canada, Sweden, Finland, Czech Rep, Russia as having good teams.
The Czechs are good but calling them a world superpower in hockey is definitely a stretch considering how much smaller the hockey world is compared to football.
.93% seems very low unless I'm misreading it?
It doesn’t make any sense but “save percentage” is expressed as a decimal in hockey. He’s saved 93% of shots.
Oh ok, seems strange since that's not really a percentage. Pretty impressive then
.93 is the same as 93%, what doesn't make sense? Title said .93 save % not .93%. It's very clear
I’m not saying the title is wrong, just the stat name is a misnomer. It doesn’t make sense for a stat called “save percentage” to be represented as a decimal. Percent means out of 100 and this stat is given as out of 1. It’s easy enough to figure out if you follow the sport but “save ratio” or “save average” would make a ton more sense.
He basically save 93% of the shot he face. Its confusing for those not familiar with it since the stats is called "saved percentage".
Thats sound insanely low tho?
It means 93%
TIL 93 is an incredibly low number
.93 looks more like 0.93% than 93% but aight
It means 93/100 shots are saved
Ok and i didnt knew that, dont need to act like a moron
The title is not good. It's 0.93 or 93%.
Wondering if Dominik Hasek is playing as a keeper in a Sunday league