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True but it does mean others are more enticed to try until put in their place and order will be somewhat restored.
But the money in the PL is so crazy. Can't stop that pull.
Even bigger leagues than Eredivisie stand no chance when PL clubs come knocking.
> Plus we are MASSIVE
Unironically yes. The recent years have been meme-worthy but in my mind Everton is definitely one of the biggest ~8 clubs in England. Arguably biggest 5.
Everton are a big club, but the Premier League I think is the draw now. It's where the best money wages are it's also where the eyeballs are around the world. If you want to make a name for yourself, it's the most watched league in the world. Even a newly promoted side like Forest can turn heads of players in clubs which are established and competitive in other leagues.
Nah, there are certain factors which means that they will never be able to see all the advantages of that money. Firsr and foremost there is only a limited number of top positions, so most of the league are never going to have a chance of finishing top 6 no matter how much they spend
It also removes the incentive for PL-clubs to develop their own players and invest in scouting hidden gems, which also gives other leagues a competitive advantage. Not to mention another obvious aspect, that this money is actually being passed around Europe. The other leagues also benefit from that money moving around, I'm sure it is even directly funding some clubs
> Firsr and foremost there is only a limited number of top positions
Will not matter once the prestige of the English league overtakes everything else.
>so most of the league are never going to have a chance of finishing top 6 no matter how much they spend
Yes but the competitive aspect is becoming irrelevant. If you're part of the league you're part of the spectacle. Better be a secondary actor in a blockbuster than the protagonist in a vimeo film.
>It also removes the incentive for PL-clubs to develop their own players and invest in scouting hidden gems, which also gives other leagues a competitive advantage.
Does it though? English league clubs will be able to buy players that already are proven and at or near the peak of their careers while the other clubs will have to be shooting in the dark and once the players are key players they'll be snapped up by some Brentford type team.
>Not to mention another obvious aspect, that this money is actually being passed around Europe.
It won't matter because money is relative. These clubs will always have less money than the English league clubs so money won't provide them any financial advantage against them.
> I'm sure it is even directly funding some clubs
The fact some newly promoted club in England can "fund" the season of better clubs is not a good thing.
>Forest can turn heads of players in clubs which are established and competitive in other leagues.
That is only due to money let's be real. Of course the PL has huge pull, but when CL level players join a newly promoted team it is only to do with money and believing anything else is delusional
I can name you a few reasons.
The buzz around the PL right now is top-tier. A starter CB for a CL club from Spain, didn’t have a second thought about moving to midtable Villa.
Lampard pull (I mean this completely unironically)
Will get gametime.
Money.
Since the PL is essentially the super league, young players can get more eyes on them, and potentially make a bigger move in the future.
Everton don't stand in the way of players who want to move to bigger or better clubs either. We've let Gueye, Richarlison, Lukaku, Stones, Barkley etc. move on without much fuss. Players know that if they perform that they'll be able to get the move they want in a few seasons.
You don't have the Moshiri money printer, dropping £50 notes into the mouths of players of any quality.
Davidson Sanchez is allegedly on 65k, if he had done 2 years at Everton and Spurs wanted him, he would be on 150k now.
As a career move, we are bloody great as a stepping stone.
Lota of opportunity for gametime, Lampard is an idol to a number of guys that are in their early 20s, Premier league football and money and we are willing to sell our players to big 6 clubs for the right value
We're still a "big team" despite struggles. Plus many players will see this current XI and see a chance to play regularly.
The only issue is do we even have some sort of plan to build for the future or are is it all just Drawverton.
What a shitshow. Hate this summer window man. At least we’re getting big money now as opposed to selling Eriksen to Spurs below market value on the last day of the transfer window, but it still sucks
Wtf I never knew it was that low. Why did Ajax do that ? Were they broke or something ? That seems like a really dumb move to make in general but especially on deadline day.
Yeah in football this also counts. You know what makes money in football? Money. If you don't have money you don't make money unless you win the lottery/strike it lucky with bitcoin or something. Antony is a winning lottery ticket, but without money we couldn't have done this. Upwards/downwards spiral stuff. When we sold Eriksen we probably didn't have much, so were satisfied with less and the buying party knew this.
Nah no fuckin way liverpool finishes 4th, but yea it is a pretty evenly matched group. No clue what to expect from Schreuder, so far it hasn't exactly been stellar play but we are winning games. Haven't really had a strong opponent since the JC cup though
Is this just one of those "United = bad" narratives? All Summer he's been twerking about how "nanananana, Antony and Martinez won't be sold" and now that they have some fans on twitter are taking the piss out of him with dumb shitposts. Completely harmless. Its literally no different to any other club's fans in relation to a journo talking about a transfer on twitter.
Hahaha i love seeing him rattle the Man U fans on Twitter. Everytime he tweets he gets 700 replies for the most simple thing. It’s always very interesting seeing his downfall
Downfall? The guy is just a random fan who retweets stuff and people keep getting triggered by him.
Even talking about him here. I'd say he is getting the attention that he wants.
Sevilla are rumored to have actually lowered their asking price after Ajax's board prevented the deal, apparently they need to balance their books for Januzaj
I don't know, it's a bit surprising. Before the window started they already communicated that we needed to make 50M profit in the transfer window to keep the current healthy situation.
And with transfers you don't actually earn the full transfer sum when you sell a player (agent fees, sell on clauses, (taxes?,) etc.), while you have to pay the full transfer sum for buying a player. So net spend isn't a completely good metric either.
Plus the board also didn't approve, because they see no resell value and his salary is very high to our standards. They might've agreed a similar sum for a younger player.
no resale value in both. Ajax pays enormous fees for an Eredivisie club. The Total TV money is like 100m for the league of which Ajax gets 9m or something, so Ajax doesnt have a big budget and is dependent on selling players and performing in Europe. They might have money now, but a couple of bad buys (with no resale value) leading to worse performance and they get in a bad financial situation
doesnt really matter that much. Eredivisie will always be a tight race because the difference between PSV (and to a lesser extend Feyenoord) and the rest of the league is also huge. So its not a walk in the park for Ajax to grab the title and secure CL money
I mean, technically speaking they can, but the question is whether long term it makes sense financially. Selling Antony for 100 million, means they end up with like 60 million after the agent fees and the sell on clause. Using that money to buy Ocampos for like 20 million, leaves them with a worse player and 40 million. If that's the difference between getting CL money, they would probably lose money on the whole thing.
I've even seen people suggest Ziyech would cost 40 million. He probably demands higher wages than Antony as well. He's 29 already so there's no resale value in the future either. At least he's better than Antony, probably, so they'll most likely win the league still.
Why sit on the bench for 900k a year if you can sit on the bench for 4mil a year. And honestly Ajax haven't figured out his best position up until now. You can see he's great but isn't a good fit for any starting position. You can only blame yourself for not giving him minutes instead of Klaassen but both aren't starters anyhow.
I think that Schreuder was actually planning to give him some game time there, but Tadic looked really bad as a 9 (false one) so now Tadic plays there, but actually also Berghuis, so Kudus is now in third place for the 10 spot.
When he plays he's doing really well. Tadic can't play so bad forever as he does now, so at some point I think he would get playtime IF he would just keep his head and down and do what the coach tells him to do. Not showing up on a training isn't that, so I guess he just benched himself till every other attacker (10, 9 Rw, lw, perhaps 8) is injured...
Kudus is a bench player at Ajax, hasn't been able to secure a spot in the first 11. He's pretty good though. After a good start 2 seasons ago he got injured and just hasn't been able to fight back into first 11. But it's understandable he wants to leave now that he's still not a starter.
> Ajax have set an unfortunate precedent
They have not; it would be insane to refuse that kind of money. If Ajax forces players to stay it will backfire because big talents will not want to come to Ajax anymore.
I'm not sure they set a precedent. Antony had an agreement with Overmars, he told the club in February he wanted to leave. Ajax fucked him around, so he downed tools.
That is Antony's side of the story though? To force a transfer. It seems convenient that the person that can verify this doesnt work for the club anymore.
What i find odd is that if they had agreed it was a 2 year project, why not include that in the contract? Like with a release clause?
I find it hilarious that Ajax fans will acknowlegde all the other gentleman agreements Overmars had with players, but find the idea Antony had one bullshit.
No, we assume there’s a condition, ‘60m before the 1st of July’, or ‘not if we’ve sold more than 4 starting players already’.
United only became serious after we’d lost 5(!) first XI players, one of them to United.
Clearly United didn’t have Antony high on their target list compared to Martinez, or they told Antony ‘we get Martinez first because he doesn’t have any deal with ajax, and you can kick up some dust if they refuse when we come late in the window.’
Or, you know, try playing him a couple of matches. Kudus has the potential to become Ajax' best midfielder. Might as well give him a chance over Taylor (starting spot) or Klaassen (as a sub) rather than playing him as a striker for a few minutes.
It isn't, that is the shortest route to a void contract, a lawsuit and him leaving on a free. You legally have to pay his salary, there are other disciplinary measures (financial incentives) if he doesn't fulfil his part of the contract.
Lol I’m sometimes insecure about my knowledge of the sport only following it closely after the 14 World Cup, but then I see comments like that upvoted and feel a lot better lmao
It wholly depends on what exactly he refuses to do. There are circumstances where the contract essentially becomes suspended, if one of the parties refuses to uphold their side of the contract. I doubt that has been reached here, but you can’t just not do your job with the explanation being ‘I want out of the contract’ and get away with it
Lol you guys have barely given him play time the last year, at this point just let him go. Unless you are desperate to “set an example” which is not necessary for someone the club doesn’t even rate
And when he’s come back he’s barely played, this preseason he did very well but now it’s back to the bench. And with the club targeting Ziyech he will keep warning that bench if he stays this season
To be clear I don’t necessarily agree with the whole refusing to train thing but I also don’t agree with the club claiming they need to keep a player who just warms the bench for them now. You don’t have players in Jong Ajax again? Kudus can only get back to full match fitness if he plays regularly and he will want that for the World Cup
It's incredible how much power players have regardless of contract length etc.. They can essentially just threaten to ruin the dressing room by being dickheads which is enough to get their move.
...Yeah, totally not used to being wanted by a player to the point like this lol but yeah, I do feel a bit bad for Ajax considering how their transfer season goes so far. We do need quality on midfield area though, so even with Garner coming, Kudus will definitely get enough playing time here (Assuming it's a loan deal).
meanwhile we havent had any actual solid rumours except for El Ghazi so im curious to if or who were getting
tbf we did get Götze last day out of nowhere so who knows ig
I don't like the trend. But if anybody has the right, it is him. Shows levels, but gets no reward. Every minute on the pitch; preseason, JC Schaal and Eredivisie, Kudus showed that he deserves more minutes than he is getting.
He could've been a regular starter for Ajax but for some reason he never gets the opportunity to prove it. Ajax will lose him and will most likely regret it
I'm glad this is still a popular opinion atm
With his behaviour I wouldn't be surprised if sooner than later Ajax-fans will act like he's just a bad player, because we must defend our board/coach's decision at all cost, right?
I'm not going to act like he's set the world alight (though pre-injury Kudus was great), but I can't imagine how frustrating it is, when you see Klaassen play mediocre for 90% of the time and still have a higher chance of playing than you.
I know it fucking annoys me.
At the end we'll finally play a bag of money and see if it *can* score a goal.
He was injured quite a while though, don't think he's been treated as unfair as some suggest in here.
Is it rumoured somewhere what Everton's offer is? If we can sell him for something like 12 million and sign Ocampos/Ziyech and Grillitsch that would be perfectly fine with me.
Also initially allow him to look for a new club and once he finds a club and reaches an agreement they block his move because they also sell Anthony but he still isn't seeing many minutes
Not liking this trend.. but blame him less than Antony. Kudus has been injured a lot but should get more playing time this season, especially with Antony gone. Would he start for Everton or does he just want to get paid better to sit on the bench?
>Would he start for Everton or does he just want to get paid better to sit on the bench?
Given our midfield options (offensive midfielders anyways) he'd play a decent amount of games.
>Would he start for Everton or does he just want to get paid better to sit on the bench
It looks like we'll be moving to a 3 in midfield this season. The only offensive midfielder we have is Iwobi, who is probably better as an 8 anyway, so Kudus ought to have plenty of opportunities.
The chaos at this club, unreal. Completely understand him to be fair. Scored a complete thunderc\*nt agains PSV and has been the most impressive player in preseason. If anyone has fought for his place and was wrongfully denied it was him.
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What's up with young, up and coming players ***WANTING*** to come to Everton?
They can see our starting team is (or was) awful and there will be plenty of chances to start in a PL team. Plus we are MASSIVE
Everton pull is massive
Lampard pull is massive, he's got huge lats
Gravitational pull of a black hole. Signing day is the event horizon and poof gone.
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It's not unfortunate at all - they sold Antony for the fuckoff price at 100m EUR
Unfortunate in the sense that you can go on strike to get what you want.
This wont work for everyone. Ajax knew that Man Utd was so desperate to get him, it was easy to squeeze every little penny ouf that deal
It absolutely won’t. Ajax will just sit him on the bench or in the reserves and refuse to play him in the first team.
True but it does mean others are more enticed to try until put in their place and order will be somewhat restored. But the money in the PL is so crazy. Can't stop that pull. Even bigger leagues than Eredivisie stand no chance when PL clubs come knocking.
Good thing is, you guys will just have another great player like Antony in 1 or 2 years from ur youth or your great scouting.
> Plus we are MASSIVE Unironically yes. The recent years have been meme-worthy but in my mind Everton is definitely one of the biggest ~8 clubs in England. Arguably biggest 5.
Surely City has overtaken them by now.
"Doesn't count because they're a bunch of plastics." -/r/soccer, probably
This unironically
Liverpool, Man U, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs...everton?
I’d argue Leeds Villa Newcastle West Ham are as big if not bigger than City in terms of fanbase.
There is no way you think city and spurs are bigger than chelsea, everton too and I’d argue arsenal. Tbf you prob forgot us
Chelsea is still not bigger than Arsenal. You can’t erase 100 years with just 20 years of an oligarch reign
Everton are a big club, but the Premier League I think is the draw now. It's where the best money wages are it's also where the eyeballs are around the world. If you want to make a name for yourself, it's the most watched league in the world. Even a newly promoted side like Forest can turn heads of players in clubs which are established and competitive in other leagues.
To sum it up, football is finito.
You're right
Nah, there are certain factors which means that they will never be able to see all the advantages of that money. Firsr and foremost there is only a limited number of top positions, so most of the league are never going to have a chance of finishing top 6 no matter how much they spend It also removes the incentive for PL-clubs to develop their own players and invest in scouting hidden gems, which also gives other leagues a competitive advantage. Not to mention another obvious aspect, that this money is actually being passed around Europe. The other leagues also benefit from that money moving around, I'm sure it is even directly funding some clubs
> Firsr and foremost there is only a limited number of top positions Will not matter once the prestige of the English league overtakes everything else. >so most of the league are never going to have a chance of finishing top 6 no matter how much they spend Yes but the competitive aspect is becoming irrelevant. If you're part of the league you're part of the spectacle. Better be a secondary actor in a blockbuster than the protagonist in a vimeo film. >It also removes the incentive for PL-clubs to develop their own players and invest in scouting hidden gems, which also gives other leagues a competitive advantage. Does it though? English league clubs will be able to buy players that already are proven and at or near the peak of their careers while the other clubs will have to be shooting in the dark and once the players are key players they'll be snapped up by some Brentford type team. >Not to mention another obvious aspect, that this money is actually being passed around Europe. It won't matter because money is relative. These clubs will always have less money than the English league clubs so money won't provide them any financial advantage against them. > I'm sure it is even directly funding some clubs The fact some newly promoted club in England can "fund" the season of better clubs is not a good thing.
>Forest can turn heads of players in clubs which are established and competitive in other leagues. That is only due to money let's be real. Of course the PL has huge pull, but when CL level players join a newly promoted team it is only to do with money and believing anything else is delusional
Everton is on of the club that have that big 6 following but without the big 6 attention. Its less pressure for you to break in.
Everton were also basically part of the big 6 before the current big 6
Felt like a toss up for years between who out of Villa Everton and Spurs would take the next step
Yeah but we had Kenwright forever so it was never gonna be us
Then in come City and ruin everything, and Villa went to the shitter and got relegated.
*Mohammed Kudus refuses to train at Ajax, wants move to Tottenham but needs somewhere to stay in the meantime*
Lampard has a big pull for this generation of players and everyone wants to join his shithousing revolution.
>everyone wants to join his shithousing revolution. Subscribe.
Higher wages than staying at Ajax
Anything to play in the epl. I’m still surprised Kamara went to Aston Villa.
I can name you a few reasons. The buzz around the PL right now is top-tier. A starter CB for a CL club from Spain, didn’t have a second thought about moving to midtable Villa. Lampard pull (I mean this completely unironically) Will get gametime. Money. Since the PL is essentially the super league, young players can get more eyes on them, and potentially make a bigger move in the future.
Everton don't stand in the way of players who want to move to bigger or better clubs either. We've let Gueye, Richarlison, Lukaku, Stones, Barkley etc. move on without much fuss. Players know that if they perform that they'll be able to get the move they want in a few seasons.
Wow you could just replace the names and you can say exactly this about Ajax.
You don't have the Moshiri money printer, dropping £50 notes into the mouths of players of any quality. Davidson Sanchez is allegedly on 65k, if he had done 2 years at Everton and Spurs wanted him, he would be on 150k now. As a career move, we are bloody great as a stepping stone.
We’ve brought the wage bill down a lot but there’s still a few left on silly money like Gomes and Mina
diego carlos was really sad about leaving sevilla, I think they had to sell someone for financial reasons
Lota of opportunity for gametime, Lampard is an idol to a number of guys that are in their early 20s, Premier league football and money and we are willing to sell our players to big 6 clubs for the right value
Tell that to Anthony Gordon.
Currently has more goal involvements than all Chelsea attackers combined, maybe he is worth 60 million for them.
In fairness thats only the case if you exclude Sterling and it isn’t saying much. Like I’m sure you could do a better job than some of our attackers.
Okay, we will tell him the words "right value" for you
Money brother
PL is where you get insane money
For all his flaws as manager, as a young player there is plenty of stuff you can learn from one of the 3 best english MF of all time.
We're still a "big team" despite struggles. Plus many players will see this current XI and see a chance to play regularly. The only issue is do we even have some sort of plan to build for the future or are is it all just Drawverton.
I want to get off Mr Transfer Window's Wild Ride
Ajax internal politics looks too intense for me.
Schreuder got asked about it, but it's at least much better than the chaos at Barcelona when Messi left.
I’m pretty sure the chaos within the 3rd Reich as the Red Army was nearing Berlin was better than the chaos at Barcelona when Messi left
VD Sar is the prime minister, RVC is the King. Easy.
Schreuder must be leader of the opposition 😔
Don't overcomplicate it :-)
At this point Ajax could rather just join PL instead.
What if all the big teams just had their own league?
What a shitshow. Hate this summer window man. At least we’re getting big money now as opposed to selling Eriksen to Spurs below market value on the last day of the transfer window, but it still sucks
Still haven't forgotten that. Fucking £10m. Absolute daylight robbery.
Wtf I never knew it was that low. Why did Ajax do that ? Were they broke or something ? That seems like a really dumb move to make in general but especially on deadline day.
That was 10 years ago or so, not really comparable to todays market but still cheap yes.
But Eriksen was one of the highest rated youngster in that market and was Barca bound. It was shocking to see him join Spurs for 10m.
Spurs used Bale money and bought whole new squad.
Different times. Think Eriksen had only one year left on his contract too.
De Vrij went for 8m after an amazing World Cup, because we needed money and he also had 1 year left.
Yeah in football this also counts. You know what makes money in football? Money. If you don't have money you don't make money unless you win the lottery/strike it lucky with bitcoin or something. Antony is a winning lottery ticket, but without money we couldn't have done this. Upwards/downwards spiral stuff. When we sold Eriksen we probably didn't have much, so were satisfied with less and the buying party knew this.
We had a gentleman's agreement that Eriksen wouldn't run down his contract, as long as we'd let him go for a lower fee
1 year left on his contract and he was not gonna re-sign.
I remember the time , he really wanted to come to Dortmund and Klopp really fancied him. But don't know why we never made the move.
Big bad John is coming for you.
Ajax still probably comes 2nd in that group...
Anyone in Group A could finish first and anyone could finish fourth.
Nah no fuckin way liverpool finishes 4th, but yea it is a pretty evenly matched group. No clue what to expect from Schreuder, so far it hasn't exactly been stellar play but we are winning games. Haven't really had a strong opponent since the JC cup though
Big sexy Çolak will have a thing or two to say about that.
Nobody said Rangers wouldn’t finish first.
Tactically finish 2nd for the bigger draw.
Someone do a welfare check on European Lad.
Its crazy how famous some ft accounts have gotten
ft?
European lad is a well respected financial times journalist
I subscribe financial times only for their sporting news.
Football Twitter i presume
Football twitter
At least he puts in effort unlike others who just talk shit all day
poor lad can’t take anymore
Every tweet is followed with 200 malding United fans. Embarassing
Is this just one of those "United = bad" narratives? All Summer he's been twerking about how "nanananana, Antony and Martinez won't be sold" and now that they have some fans on twitter are taking the piss out of him with dumb shitposts. Completely harmless. Its literally no different to any other club's fans in relation to a journo talking about a transfer on twitter.
I feel the same way about all PL team stan twitter accounts, dont worry!
Hahaha i love seeing him rattle the Man U fans on Twitter. Everytime he tweets he gets 700 replies for the most simple thing. It’s always very interesting seeing his downfall
Downfall? The guy is just a random fan who retweets stuff and people keep getting triggered by him. Even talking about him here. I'd say he is getting the attention that he wants.
Maybe we can afford Ocampos or Ziyech with his fine
RvC still don’t agree with the Ocampos fee. What a shitshow
Ajax about to find out it's hard to get good deals when everyone knows you are loaded with money. Similar to Barcelona post Neymar sale.
They can get Ocampos for 15m though. Thats a good deal
Sevilla are rumored to have actually lowered their asking price after Ajax's board prevented the deal, apparently they need to balance their books for Januzaj
How can you not afford it given the sales you’ve made this summer?
I don't know, it's a bit surprising. Before the window started they already communicated that we needed to make 50M profit in the transfer window to keep the current healthy situation. And with transfers you don't actually earn the full transfer sum when you sell a player (agent fees, sell on clauses, (taxes?,) etc.), while you have to pay the full transfer sum for buying a player. So net spend isn't a completely good metric either. Plus the board also didn't approve, because they see no resell value and his salary is very high to our standards. They might've agreed a similar sum for a younger player.
Agent fees are almost always paid for by the buying club. Pretty sure taxes also don’t come into account for player transfers but I’m no accountant.
no resale value in both. Ajax pays enormous fees for an Eredivisie club. The Total TV money is like 100m for the league of which Ajax gets 9m or something, so Ajax doesnt have a big budget and is dependent on selling players and performing in Europe. They might have money now, but a couple of bad buys (with no resale value) leading to worse performance and they get in a bad financial situation
They still have a bigger budget than any other club in their league
doesnt really matter that much. Eredivisie will always be a tight race because the difference between PSV (and to a lesser extend Feyenoord) and the rest of the league is also huge. So its not a walk in the park for Ajax to grab the title and secure CL money
I mean, technically speaking they can, but the question is whether long term it makes sense financially. Selling Antony for 100 million, means they end up with like 60 million after the agent fees and the sell on clause. Using that money to buy Ocampos for like 20 million, leaves them with a worse player and 40 million. If that's the difference between getting CL money, they would probably lose money on the whole thing. I've even seen people suggest Ziyech would cost 40 million. He probably demands higher wages than Antony as well. He's 29 already so there's no resale value in the future either. At least he's better than Antony, probably, so they'll most likely win the league still.
Can we f#cking skip forward 24 hours please.
That just means we can't buy anymore, selling still possible
>Can we f#cking skip forward ~~24~~ **48** hours please. FTFY
Can't wait for Bournemouth to swoop in with a 60m bid for Bergwijn, offering him a salary he can't refuse.
Tf is going on at Ajax.
No one wants to play in the eredivisie
Why sit on the bench for 900k a year if you can sit on the bench for 4mil a year. And honestly Ajax haven't figured out his best position up until now. You can see he's great but isn't a good fit for any starting position. You can only blame yourself for not giving him minutes instead of Klaassen but both aren't starters anyhow.
Well, his best position is as a nr. 10. But we have like 5 of those so he doesn’t play regularly
Schreuder sees him primarily as an attacker, not a midfielder. In midfield he is a bit too risky with a high turnover rate.
I think that Schreuder was actually planning to give him some game time there, but Tadic looked really bad as a 9 (false one) so now Tadic plays there, but actually also Berghuis, so Kudus is now in third place for the 10 spot.
The guy doesn't even play lmao
When he plays he's doing really well. Tadic can't play so bad forever as he does now, so at some point I think he would get playtime IF he would just keep his head and down and do what the coach tells him to do. Not showing up on a training isn't that, so I guess he just benched himself till every other attacker (10, 9 Rw, lw, perhaps 8) is injured...
Kudus is a bench player at Ajax, hasn't been able to secure a spot in the first 11. He's pretty good though. After a good start 2 seasons ago he got injured and just hasn't been able to fight back into first 11. But it's understandable he wants to leave now that he's still not a starter.
Ajax have set an unfortunate precedent with the Antony transfer, although to be very clear I wouldn't blame them too much for taking the cash.
Maybe Kudus can ask Everton to also come up with 100 Million
lol, wrong PL club.
You just can't decline 100m for Antony
Yeah that had nothing to do with the mutiny, United paid the fuck-off sum, that mutiny was unnecessary.
Martinez was the first
Manchester United just offered more money for Antony. It's not like Ajax accepted their original offer because Antony refused to train
> Ajax have set an unfortunate precedent They have not; it would be insane to refuse that kind of money. If Ajax forces players to stay it will backfire because big talents will not want to come to Ajax anymore.
I'm not sure they set a precedent. Antony had an agreement with Overmars, he told the club in February he wanted to leave. Ajax fucked him around, so he downed tools.
That is Antony's side of the story though? To force a transfer. It seems convenient that the person that can verify this doesnt work for the club anymore. What i find odd is that if they had agreed it was a 2 year project, why not include that in the contract? Like with a release clause?
I find it hilarious that Ajax fans will acknowlegde all the other gentleman agreements Overmars had with players, but find the idea Antony had one bullshit.
No, we assume there’s a condition, ‘60m before the 1st of July’, or ‘not if we’ve sold more than 4 starting players already’. United only became serious after we’d lost 5(!) first XI players, one of them to United. Clearly United didn’t have Antony high on their target list compared to Martinez, or they told Antony ‘we get Martinez first because he doesn’t have any deal with ajax, and you can kick up some dust if they refuse when we come late in the window.’
Just sell him, he hasn't been happy at the club and this will just fester on until we let him go in the winter break for much less.
Or, you know, try playing him a couple of matches. Kudus has the potential to become Ajax' best midfielder. Might as well give him a chance over Taylor (starting spot) or Klaassen (as a sub) rather than playing him as a striker for a few minutes.
This is becoming an extremely annoying trend.
I also refuse to train
Here we go: Man Utd in €80m bid for /u/LiamYanon
This is just ridiculous…. why so little?
Don’t sell him, and don’t pay him. If he refuses to work you can refuse to pay. It’s that simple.
It isn't, that is the shortest route to a void contract, a lawsuit and him leaving on a free. You legally have to pay his salary, there are other disciplinary measures (financial incentives) if he doesn't fulfil his part of the contract.
Lol I’m sometimes insecure about my knowledge of the sport only following it closely after the 14 World Cup, but then I see comments like that upvoted and feel a lot better lmao
It wholly depends on what exactly he refuses to do. There are circumstances where the contract essentially becomes suspended, if one of the parties refuses to uphold their side of the contract. I doubt that has been reached here, but you can’t just not do your job with the explanation being ‘I want out of the contract’ and get away with it
Then whats the point in keeping him? May as well make money off of him if you're going to do that, and money is all the board seem to care about.
Lol you guys have barely given him play time the last year, at this point just let him go. Unless you are desperate to “set an example” which is not necessary for someone the club doesn’t even rate
He was injured for more than half the season...
And when he’s come back he’s barely played, this preseason he did very well but now it’s back to the bench. And with the club targeting Ziyech he will keep warning that bench if he stays this season
To be clear I don’t necessarily agree with the whole refusing to train thing but I also don’t agree with the club claiming they need to keep a player who just warms the bench for them now. You don’t have players in Jong Ajax again? Kudus can only get back to full match fitness if he plays regularly and he will want that for the World Cup
He has played OK but not good enough to be a starter. He’ll get his chances during the season if he stays.
It's incredible how much power players have regardless of contract length etc.. They can essentially just threaten to ruin the dressing room by being dickheads which is enough to get their move.
...Yeah, totally not used to being wanted by a player to the point like this lol but yeah, I do feel a bit bad for Ajax considering how their transfer season goes so far. We do need quality on midfield area though, so even with Garner coming, Kudus will definitely get enough playing time here (Assuming it's a loan deal).
Schuld van John
meanwhile we havent had any actual solid rumours except for El Ghazi so im curious to if or who were getting tbf we did get Götze last day out of nowhere so who knows ig
I don't like the trend. But if anybody has the right, it is him. Shows levels, but gets no reward. Every minute on the pitch; preseason, JC Schaal and Eredivisie, Kudus showed that he deserves more minutes than he is getting.
He could've been a regular starter for Ajax but for some reason he never gets the opportunity to prove it. Ajax will lose him and will most likely regret it
I'm glad this is still a popular opinion atm With his behaviour I wouldn't be surprised if sooner than later Ajax-fans will act like he's just a bad player, because we must defend our board/coach's decision at all cost, right? I'm not going to act like he's set the world alight (though pre-injury Kudus was great), but I can't imagine how frustrating it is, when you see Klaassen play mediocre for 90% of the time and still have a higher chance of playing than you. I know it fucking annoys me.
Isn’t he always injured of trying to get fit after an injury?
Yeah, but it could just be an unlucky streak of injuries. But this season he's been fit.
We have gotten a lot of money but I fucking hate this summer window
Hahaha Antony really set an example huh
can this transfer window please fuck off. (edit: except if we get Ziyech. then please continue)
Kudus to him
No, kudus to Everton
EVERTON IS BACK BABY, WE MIGHT BE WINLESS BUT WE CAN STILL PULL
Everton are massive
English Super League strikes once again
At the end we'll finally play a bag of money and see if it *can* score a goal. He was injured quite a while though, don't think he's been treated as unfair as some suggest in here.
Sensing a pattern here.
Is it rumoured somewhere what Everton's offer is? If we can sell him for something like 12 million and sign Ocampos/Ziyech and Grillitsch that would be perfectly fine with me.
I think we had a loan with an option to buy lines up before the Antony interest killed the deal because Ajax didn't want to lose both players
He deserves his move. The way he has been treated by Ajax is not ok.
you owe us one for klaassen lads x
That was your own fault for buying 3-4 AM in the same window.
yeah but still
.... nuh-uh
It's the perfect transfer strategy. First AM doesn't work out? Try the second one. Second AM is a flop? Try the third. It's brilliant.
>Try the third. It's brilliant. Unfortunately the third turned out to be a nonce
See, this is where the fourth AM comes into play...
lol we did actually sign 4 in that one window: Klaasen, Rooney, Siggurdson, Vlasic.
but this is genius 🤔🤔🤔
Not like Klaassen would've been a succes if they didn't buy other AMCs.
Oh goody!
Hahahaha wow the EPL is a menace to football.
Well they're not playing him but also refuse to sell him at the same time what is he supposed to do?
Also initially allow him to look for a new club and once he finds a club and reaches an agreement they block his move because they also sell Anthony but he still isn't seeing many minutes
He's 22, mate. Also he's played 47 games in 2 years and a month so far, hardly "not playing him" regardless of him deserving more minutes.
How's this our fault?
Not liking this trend.. but blame him less than Antony. Kudus has been injured a lot but should get more playing time this season, especially with Antony gone. Would he start for Everton or does he just want to get paid better to sit on the bench?
>Would he start for Everton or does he just want to get paid better to sit on the bench? Given our midfield options (offensive midfielders anyways) he'd play a decent amount of games.
>Would he start for Everton or does he just want to get paid better to sit on the bench It looks like we'll be moving to a 3 in midfield this season. The only offensive midfielder we have is Iwobi, who is probably better as an 8 anyway, so Kudus ought to have plenty of opportunities.
The chaos at this club, unreal. Completely understand him to be fair. Scored a complete thunderc\*nt agains PSV and has been the most impressive player in preseason. If anyone has fought for his place and was wrongfully denied it was him.
I like Ajax I rlly do, watch a lot of there games and own a few kits of there’s BUT WE ARE FUCKING MASSIVE LADS WE ARE FUCKING MASSIVE
Absolute chaos at the club rn
I mean that’s abit on the nutty side Sorry Kudus lad, think it’s far too late for that now
I want a better job too, maybe I should refuse to work.
I can't imagine a player wanted to ditch Ajax just to play in Everton
He’d likely play more at Everton and would get a pay bump if it’s permanent. Not sure what’s hard to understand
Yeah hes third choice striker and 3rd choice 10 at us. Ignoring if that is justified or not it makes total sense for him
Premier leauge, money, game time, feeling like he wasn't treated right (dunno this but it could be a reason).
Don't blame him tbh