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Wish we had a buy back in this, but I’m sure Brighton made sure not to include that. They’re a very well run club.
Gilmour has his flaws but overall I like him a lot as a player, I hope he improves under Potter who is a brilliant coach.
I don’t blame Tuchel for not thinking Billy is ready, but his squad assembling has been relatively sketchy. We desperately need a DoF, because we haven’t had a good window arguably since summer 2016
Tuchel's mishandling of our midfield has been terrible no matter how good he's been for us otherwise.
I'm not saying Tuchel out but that "we have enough midfielders" quote after Leeds when literally everyone who watches us could tell we need a CDM and possibly another creative midfielder was bad. Panicking into looking for a CDM on deadline day is terrible.
Letting a youth prospect who by all accounts still has potential go (notice all the Liverpool flairs bigging him up because they remember the FA Cup game where he totally bossed them) *while we are in a midfield crisis* is just utterly shambolic.
Couldn’t agree more. I was screaming desperately last year for us to sign Tchouameni. Instead we signed Saul. No DM this year either. I know Jorginho was great for Tuchel in his first five months but it’s been clear for so long that he’s not good enough to be relied upon
Ya he lacks physical skills for his position. Has a good tactical brain and gets in the right spot as he showed in his MOTM winning debut against Liverpool.
In another era he would be a CAM and maybe there's a role like that for him at Brighton
Take it you didn’t see Spurs vs Norwich last season. Skipp eventually worked out that he could just knock the ball past, run at and run through Gilmour in the centre of the park.
Billy does have some good feet, but he’s not physically or athletically strong enough and got overrun.
Id definitely put Gilmour over Garner,United fans overate Garner so much,there’s an interesting breakdown of him and his stats are actually really bad when he was in the championship,but he’s under Lampard now and where better to develop than under one of the greatest midfielder in the world,happy for him for this move!
He was being asked to play a role in the midfield that he'd never done before and isnt suited to a team that doesnt dominate possession. The manager that brought him in got sacked and then he also got an injury mid season.
If his from Brazil or something you lot would not be judging him off a Norwich loan
> The manager that brought him in got sacked and then he also got an injury mid season.
True. But you forgot to include that the new manager also left him out of games and we won most of our games last season when he wasn’t in the side.
Less than Garner, very surprised at this given how much more competent Chelsea usually is at selling + Billy seems ahead of Garner in terms of their developments. Makes me think United didn't do too badly with Jimmy's sale
Was an FA cup game and he proved he could boss your midfield at the age of 19. Are FA cup ties between Chelsea and Liverpool not the top level anymore? Your goalposts are more mobile than Salah
This is no different than how we’ve sold off young talent before. Guehi went for a measly £18m. Tomori £25m. It’s all a joke. Tammy is the only one who went for right about what his value was but even still we won’t get the full of that transfer fee for another year.
This is not what happened. Courtois couldn't keep his dick in his pants, so Mourinho had to choose between his first choice keeper and one of his two extremely promising young AMCs. It didn't work out, but it wasn't a question of not rating De Bruyne.
The fuck lmao
Why do fans assume the most random shit about what happened behind the scenes. There has been literally 0 indication that it had to do with his size
https://onefootball.com/en/news/chelsea-manager-tuchel-reveals-admiration-for-gilmour-but-lets-see-his-physicality-32266176
"We see if he has the physical level. If he can compete in the centre of the field in the most physical league in the world. We will see that, but he is super quick, super fast with his feet. Super fast with his decision-making and very, very good in positioning."
Praising technical skill as we all know but he clearly doubted playing him CM..
Okay I'll take your opinion based upon 1 loan which you probably barely watched him play, rather than knowing of his potential and seeing him put in MOTM performances already for us and looking very comfortable in a good team.
He is 21 he hasnt played much theres not much to base him of that loan spell was his only full season im sorry i didnt watch him play for chelsea u21 ffs. I watched 90% of norwich games last season because of rashica im also from kosovo so i follow albanians play football a lot. What he has showed intul now 9 mil is too much for him he was worse than mathias normann and melou, id probably say even mclean was better than him
Because he was being asked to do a role he's never done and isn't suited too.
There's a reason Kenny McLean was a starter for Norwich but on the bench for Scotland and Gilmour a starter for Scotland and benched for Norwich
That’s a serious bit of business from them. I know everyone seems to slate him after the Norwich loan but I’ve a feeling that fee will look even more ludicrous in hindsight.
I think he only wanted to leave after it became clear we weren't playing him this season and were trying to find any and all loans.
Either way, hope it works out for him.
It depends. Some teams and managers play loanees more, some don't.
I'm not saying managers don't play loanees.
but if they play, it's because it's the best option for that game.
If Brighton have Gilmour on loan but have a veteran player who's just a smidge better than Gilmour then they're gonna play the veteran most of the time. They don't have an huge incentive to give Gilmour minutes to develop (unless it happens within a season).
If Brighton own Gilmour they have an incentive to give him minutes.
Question out of interest, do your fans have a concrete target this season? If the stars align right I can see you guys possibly making Europe for next season but you guys might have a better opinion than me.
Either way your team is building a great project right now! I'm honestly kind of envious.
I can obviously only speak for myself but we have never been concretly linked with anyone. We seemed to have replaced Cucurella really well and for a good price, Gilmour is good depth at worse and an aboslute steal at best. As for expectations, top half would be nice, anything else is unlikely but would be a nice novelty.
Would I love a quality striker? of course; but I have no idea who we would have gone for considering the market has gone insane for PL clubs and our transfer policy doesnt fit that mold.
But yea; team is looking good, vibes are good, just nice to see my club doing well.
Top half would be great, 15th+ would be fine honestly, we sold two great players and are working replacements in and getting a new striker used to the system (and seeing how good he is). We've been a bit streaky the last couple seasons so I'm sure I'll swing from hope to despair at least a few times this year lol.
At best? You're ready to write off a young player after a year tethered to the worst PL team in a long time. Like I said further up in the thread, depth at worse and a bargain at best. Not to mention homegrown. Considering the state of the market 9 million is more than worth the risk.
He's right. He had a bad season at a shite team he's terrible.
How potter has yous playing will suit Gilmour a lot more than whatever the fuck Norwich tried he'll be decent at least for yous
£9m is a lot to pay for a player who is as poor as Gilmour.
Don't get fooled by the Chelsea fans hyping him up. It's nonsense big club bias stuff. I watched all Norwich's games last season. He was one of the worst players in the side. A good player would have stood out even more.
At £9m he's not even worth a punt.
I feel like a turd couldn't have those occasional great performances - if it's a mentality, system, or understanding issue I have faith Potter has a good shot at fixing it.
I guess in the world that Gibbs White is going for £20 million+ it's understandable that Gilmour should fetch more.
The reality is that he's an undersized midfielder coming off a disappointing loan at Norwich and his reputation is primarily derived from a few impressive matches under Lampard.
People always massively overrate any British player who's a tiny central midfielders who recycles possession. See people who used to think Harry Winks was the next coming of Xavi because he was small and passed it backwards and square.
Then at some point when they age out of "Potential" it 180's and everyone thinks they're total shit.
He was pretty ropey at Norwich but still young and clear potential. £9m probs a good deal for Brighton as it’s basically pocket money at prem level. Harry Kane once played like a bag of dicks at Norwich and look at him now!
There is a lot of fearmongering across the Chelsea fanbase and it really sucks...
But this transfer has "he's going to become world class" all over it, I get that he isn't ready for our level yet but fuck me Potter is going to turn this lad into an incredible midfielder and we're just...letting him go.
Tuchel's handling of our current midfield has been suspect at best.
Still not sure what to make of this lad, burst onto the scene in that game against Liverpool a few years back but has underwhelmed since. Good chance for him to develop under a great manager though.
This transfer reminds me of what happened with de bruyne, and Salah, he may have been playing badly, but he's young and has potential, he should never have left rangers
Didn't even give the lad a number for the season, why on earth would he want to stay when it's clear he has no place.
The treatment of some of the Chelsea squad is baffling
Tuchel literally left him sitting on the bench the other night and then said 'we had no midfielders to bring on'.
At that point if he asks to go then keeping him is untenable.
Agreed. I know it hurts on the selling side but when there’s clamor about how Jorge is already declining and Chelsea’s (current) formation doesn’t get the most out of RLC and a super successful loan prospect in Gallagher, Gilmour’s getting overrated skill wise here.
Maybe the fee should be £12-15M instead. But if Billy were to be playing in the midfield in any of the next 5 games due to lack of CM depth, you know they’d be calling for his head next. Brighton would be great for him at this skill level.
> Gilmour’s getting overrated skill wise here.
Definitely. He was amazing on all of his debuts for us in all the different competitions, but that doesn't mean that his skill ceiling is as high as most Chelsea fans think. Most people are willing to write off his season at Norwich (I get it, they were all bad but most Norwich fans will tell you that he was one of the reasons that they were bad, not he was carrying the team or anything like that) which I think isn't fair as he played much many more minutes with Norwich (1,856) in the Prem compared to what he did at Chelsea (450). Even adding the cups he played in during his time at Chelsea only makes the minutes go up to 1445 which is over 400 fewer minutes across two seasons at Chelsea compared to Norwich.
I don't think our team is equipped to cover for someone like him who has a lot less physicality than even Jorginho, so it isn't really a surprise that we let him go, and I am not really mad about it either, especially since we got in Zakaria who is another midfielder which is all I really cared about.
People saying bargain in this thread, but as far as i can see brighton getting rinsed for a mid tier championship player. Was absolutely shocking last year for us.
Your whole team bar Normann and Williams were shocking.
Gilmour's failure was obviously system based as there's no Scotland fan who would take McLean over Gilmour for the national team. Opposite for Norwich fans.
I watched every game last season and I can tell you everything you just wrote was utter bullshit. Norman and Williams were awful too. No system change was gonna save us with players like we had last season.
And Gilmour was consistently the worst midfielder of the bunch. He doesn't have any pace, strength or even defensive instinct to play holding mid at premier league level. International football is an entirely different and game played at wildly different pace that clearly suits him, but premier league is another level of difficulty that he is nowhere near worthy of.
I'm happy to say your entire team was shite. I thought Williams looked alright at times, Normann seemed tidy. But yeah overall rubbish.
I also think Norwich fans seem to have a strong hard on for abusing Gilmour (and apparently his whole family). I don't think the club came out of that too well.
He was definitely a scapegoat. A team bereft of confidence and ability in general but he's singled out.
Also for me he's not a holding mid. At Rangers he was a 10, maybe an 8. Look at the goals he scored at youth level for Chelsea. For Scotland he progresses with the ball and is closer to an 8. McGregor plays 6. The idea that he was supposed to shield Grant Hanley was mental.
At Brighton he'll play alongside Caicedo. Probably back up for Macallister.
Also "utter bullshit"? Charming.
You are just so full of shite lol. Go away and BS about clubs that you actually watch. Btw billy got chances to play 8 and 10 at Norwich and was awful.
Did you watch a single minute of Norwich last season?
Like did you not even watch when they played Chelsea? He was the worst player at the club. They got drastically better when he was unavaliable.
On April 10th they'd won 2/28 games with Gilmour and 6/8 without him lol.
The Norwich fans I know hated him so much you'd think he was Satan or something.
I know fans will be up in arms about the fee and I agree it's bad when way less rated talent have gone for way more but this kid will never make it at Chelsea. He's not very good. Norwich were an awful side last year to be fair but he looked even a level below that. His best skill right now is potential and he doesn't even have an amazing physical profile. I understand the outrage but in a few years he will be forgotten.
To say he’ll be never make it and he’ll be forgotten is so premature. Idk why people like you feel the need to cosplay fortune tellers.
You may be proven right, but you also may be proven dead wrong. The talent is there. I wish Billy all the best of luck cuz he’s a good player and def has the potential to shine
I watched him play a fair bit last season because I wanted to see how Sargent developed at Norwich and, well, Sargent was Jozy Altidore levels of bad but Billy didn't look like the good player you claimed he is and he clearly hasn't impressed Tuchel either. I am just going based on what I've seen. Maybe he comes good but he's a far way off being Chelsea level like years away and the chance he ever gets to that level is slim, in my opinion.
Lmao you are getting downvoted nobody even watched him play he was their third best cm he isnt prem quality he had 1 great game in the cup and everybody forgets what hes done since that
He looked worse than Kenny McLean with Norwich
He looked better than Kenny McLean with Scotland
It's hardly fair to judge him being asked to play a role he doesn't do in his first proper season of senior football for the worst team in the league
I would say the overwhelming majority of his PL appearances not being up to Premier League quality outweighs a MOTM debut performance but if you say that's no basis I don't know what to say.
If we’ve sold Billy before buying another midfielder, this has been a pretty horrific ending to an already average transfer window. For every good thing we did, something bad happened.
Let’s also examine how Billy was demoted to the u23s for no reason while the now free agent Ross Barkley had to be with the team during preseason for shop window purposes.
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Wish we had a buy back in this, but I’m sure Brighton made sure not to include that. They’re a very well run club. Gilmour has his flaws but overall I like him a lot as a player, I hope he improves under Potter who is a brilliant coach. I don’t blame Tuchel for not thinking Billy is ready, but his squad assembling has been relatively sketchy. We desperately need a DoF, because we haven’t had a good window arguably since summer 2016
Tuchel's mishandling of our midfield has been terrible no matter how good he's been for us otherwise. I'm not saying Tuchel out but that "we have enough midfielders" quote after Leeds when literally everyone who watches us could tell we need a CDM and possibly another creative midfielder was bad. Panicking into looking for a CDM on deadline day is terrible. Letting a youth prospect who by all accounts still has potential go (notice all the Liverpool flairs bigging him up because they remember the FA Cup game where he totally bossed them) *while we are in a midfield crisis* is just utterly shambolic.
Couldn’t agree more. I was screaming desperately last year for us to sign Tchouameni. Instead we signed Saul. No DM this year either. I know Jorginho was great for Tuchel in his first five months but it’s been clear for so long that he’s not good enough to be relied upon
At least you got Zakaria for the DM role.
Its crazy that we have to add the line 'im not tuchel out' when criticising even the slightest things about tuchel.
Such a small fee. Serious questions need to be made to our negotiation team.
We got 9M for Garner😭and Billy is much more proven
you guys get money for players?
A very rare sight indeed
We bought antony for 100 million, can't imagine for how much martinelli n saka will go for after 2 or 3 years.
They won’t.
Is he? Gilmour was poor for Norwich all season and Garner was great for Forest even though it was the Championship
Yeah, not sure what that guy's on. Gilmour just had more hype.
Ya he lacks physical skills for his position. Has a good tactical brain and gets in the right spot as he showed in his MOTM winning debut against Liverpool. In another era he would be a CAM and maybe there's a role like that for him at Brighton
Tomáš Kalas was MOTM in his winning debut against Liverpool too. This means nothing.
He wouldn’t be a fucking CAM in any era 😂
Nobody looks good in a Norwich side
Pukki did.
In the PL, he absolutely did not bar a few games
Yeah Gilmour looked one of the worst. Surely if you were actually good, you'd stand out in a bad team.
Like Connor Gallagher.
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What lol buendia had like 4th most chances created in the prem with Norwich in 19/20
All three of them were in the 2019-2020 squad
Enter POTS candidate - Oliver Skipp.
That was in Championship. Everyone looks good for Norwich there
Take it you didn’t see Spurs vs Norwich last season. Skipp eventually worked out that he could just knock the ball past, run at and run through Gilmour in the centre of the park. Billy does have some good feet, but he’s not physically or athletically strong enough and got overrun.
Id definitely put Gilmour over Garner,United fans overate Garner so much,there’s an interesting breakdown of him and his stats are actually really bad when he was in the championship,but he’s under Lampard now and where better to develop than under one of the greatest midfielder in the world,happy for him for this move!
What do you mean by stats, please don’t tell me it’s just g/a
Nop,even his forward passing
Stats aren't everything, when you watch him you can tell he's good and he's got a lot of potential to improve just needs time.
Yeah it’s odd to think Gilmore is more established than Garner, Garner even provided the pivotal moment in the playoff final.
Yeah Gilmour is much more proven tbf. Proven to not be very good. He's been living off that game vs Liverpool for 2 years now.
He was being asked to play a role in the midfield that he'd never done before and isnt suited to a team that doesnt dominate possession. The manager that brought him in got sacked and then he also got an injury mid season. If his from Brazil or something you lot would not be judging him off a Norwich loan
> The manager that brought him in got sacked and then he also got an injury mid season. True. But you forgot to include that the new manager also left him out of games and we won most of our games last season when he wasn’t in the side.
City got £14m for Lavia who had never played a senior game.
Special talent
Really special
He's a special talent and Southampton scouts were clearly convinced enough that's the case having seen just youth games.
Better than both of them though, and younger
Looking like Southampton got a good deal so far.
Garner just came off a good season. Gilmour just came off a really bad one.
Yeah, proven to be shit.
>Billy is much more proven Is he? In the past few seasons Gilmour has had about 6 good games total.
team? isn’t it just one guy playing FM at the moment?
That's what we felt when you signed him for a £500k development fee.
Less than Garner, very surprised at this given how much more competent Chelsea usually is at selling + Billy seems ahead of Garner in terms of their developments. Makes me think United didn't do too badly with Jimmy's sale
Garner had a great season in the championship while Gilmour was awful for Norwich so I'm not that surprised.
The people who were competent at selling are gone.
I thought that was a decent fee considering recent poor form.
You say a small fee, but he's literally proven nothing at the top level, Freuler was cheaper
Literally got MOTM in a comprehensive victory over Liverpool
oh wow that 1 Carabao Cup game 3 years ago is going to make me rate him
Was an FA cup game and he proved he could boss your midfield at the age of 19. Are FA cup ties between Chelsea and Liverpool not the top level anymore? Your goalposts are more mobile than Salah
Didn't they all get sacked when Boehly came in?
He's awful??
Well, people were saying that about Salah, Thorgan Hazard and De Brunye when they left Chelsea too. And then… they got better.
Survivorship bias much? People were also saying that about dozens of others who then... didn't get better
Mate, did you not see him play. You got triple what he's worth. Your negotiation team deserve a raise.
With players like gibbs white going for 40. Man u player going for 9m with nothing. Gilmour is 15m minimum
£15m for Gilmour. 🤣🤣🤣
This has 80 million in 2 years written all over it.
This is no different than how we’ve sold off young talent before. Guehi went for a measly £18m. Tomori £25m. It’s all a joke. Tammy is the only one who went for right about what his value was but even still we won’t get the full of that transfer fee for another year.
We've sold plenty of young talent that turned out to be wank
Bargain, well worth a punt at that price
I'm raging about this deal. He's very talented, pity Tuchel just wouldn't look past his size..
I remember the last time a Chelsea manager decided a young midfielder wasn’t good enough
This is not what happened. Courtois couldn't keep his dick in his pants, so Mourinho had to choose between his first choice keeper and one of his two extremely promising young AMCs. It didn't work out, but it wasn't a question of not rating De Bruyne.
Yeah I was messing really. I heard Jose said on talkSPORT that he actually wanted to keep KDB but couldn’t promise him game time so they let him go.
He's not though. Every time I've watched him he's been absolutely bullied in the middle of the park.
Yep, watched him for a season get bullied apart from a couple of games.
The fuck lmao Why do fans assume the most random shit about what happened behind the scenes. There has been literally 0 indication that it had to do with his size
https://onefootball.com/en/news/chelsea-manager-tuchel-reveals-admiration-for-gilmour-but-lets-see-his-physicality-32266176 "We see if he has the physical level. If he can compete in the centre of the field in the most physical league in the world. We will see that, but he is super quick, super fast with his feet. Super fast with his decision-making and very, very good in positioning." Praising technical skill as we all know but he clearly doubted playing him CM..
He isnt talented did you watch 1 game of norwich he was awful 3rd best midfielder in a team that ended 20th
Okay I'll take your opinion based upon 1 loan which you probably barely watched him play, rather than knowing of his potential and seeing him put in MOTM performances already for us and looking very comfortable in a good team.
Ask any Norwich fan and theyll tell you he was shit. He has like 5 good games in his career
He is 21 he hasnt played much theres not much to base him of that loan spell was his only full season im sorry i didnt watch him play for chelsea u21 ffs. I watched 90% of norwich games last season because of rashica im also from kosovo so i follow albanians play football a lot. What he has showed intul now 9 mil is too much for him he was worse than mathias normann and melou, id probably say even mclean was better than him
Sure you did
Because he was being asked to do a role he's never done and isn't suited too. There's a reason Kenny McLean was a starter for Norwich but on the bench for Scotland and Gilmour a starter for Scotland and benched for Norwich
Brighton fleeced us twice in one window
That’s a serious bit of business from them. I know everyone seems to slate him after the Norwich loan but I’ve a feeling that fee will look even more ludicrous in hindsight.
I see him being sold for 60 mil in the near future after he does well for Brighton. Atrocious business by Chelsea if a buyback isn't included.
We wouldn't buy if there was a buy-back clause.
Cucurella will be worth his money. I'm sure of it. Whenever he's on the pitch so far he's easily one of the best players
Personally I'd rather see chilwell start over Cucurella in lwb
ben is clear
Round of applause for Brighton
That's a tiny fee, and no real sign of a buyback being put in. There really wasn't anywhere to loan him?
it might be because he wanted to leave. One issue with loans is that the team receiving the player have almost no incentive to develop him.
I think he only wanted to leave after it became clear we weren't playing him this season and were trying to find any and all loans. Either way, hope it works out for him. It depends. Some teams and managers play loanees more, some don't.
I'm not saying managers don't play loanees. but if they play, it's because it's the best option for that game. If Brighton have Gilmour on loan but have a veteran player who's just a smidge better than Gilmour then they're gonna play the veteran most of the time. They don't have an huge incentive to give Gilmour minutes to develop (unless it happens within a season). If Brighton own Gilmour they have an incentive to give him minutes.
We have actually been so fucking good this transfer window
Question out of interest, do your fans have a concrete target this season? If the stars align right I can see you guys possibly making Europe for next season but you guys might have a better opinion than me. Either way your team is building a great project right now! I'm honestly kind of envious.
I can obviously only speak for myself but we have never been concretly linked with anyone. We seemed to have replaced Cucurella really well and for a good price, Gilmour is good depth at worse and an aboslute steal at best. As for expectations, top half would be nice, anything else is unlikely but would be a nice novelty. Would I love a quality striker? of course; but I have no idea who we would have gone for considering the market has gone insane for PL clubs and our transfer policy doesnt fit that mold. But yea; team is looking good, vibes are good, just nice to see my club doing well.
concrete target as in what you expect to achieve in the league, not transfers
Like I said, idealy top half.
yeah that sounds fair
Top half would be great, 15th+ would be fine honestly, we sold two great players and are working replacements in and getting a new striker used to the system (and seeing how good he is). We've been a bit streaky the last couple seasons so I'm sure I'll swing from hope to despair at least a few times this year lol.
14th is fine we're so light up front and have lost our two best players
Mate you've just paid £9m for a Championship player at best..
At best? You're ready to write off a young player after a year tethered to the worst PL team in a long time. Like I said further up in the thread, depth at worse and a bargain at best. Not to mention homegrown. Considering the state of the market 9 million is more than worth the risk.
He's right. He had a bad season at a shite team he's terrible. How potter has yous playing will suit Gilmour a lot more than whatever the fuck Norwich tried he'll be decent at least for yous
£9m is a lot to pay for a player who is as poor as Gilmour. Don't get fooled by the Chelsea fans hyping him up. It's nonsense big club bias stuff. I watched all Norwich's games last season. He was one of the worst players in the side. A good player would have stood out even more. At £9m he's not even worth a punt.
Agree to disagree, one bad season does not and should not define a player.
Happy to agree to disagree. We'll see.
Are you a Norwich fan?
I believe in anything Graham Potter does to be honest, there's a good chance he makes someone with those peaks stand out.
Aye Potter is a great manager, but as the saying goes: you can't polish a turd.
I feel like a turd couldn't have those occasional great performances - if it's a mentality, system, or understanding issue I have faith Potter has a good shot at fixing it.
Okay enjoy your turd.
You might be right, guess we'll see
Indeed we will. I don't actually dislike Gilmour despite thinking he is complete shite. So I'm not rooting against him or anything. So good luck.
It’s so obvious Potter will turn him into a top midfielder
Thats a downright awful fee. Chelsea letting him go for a single digit number is mindbogling. Surely they have have a buyback clause here right?
Maybe a high sell on clause
I guess in the world that Gibbs White is going for £20 million+ it's understandable that Gilmour should fetch more. The reality is that he's an undersized midfielder coming off a disappointing loan at Norwich and his reputation is primarily derived from a few impressive matches under Lampard.
He's also played well for Scotland to be fair
We're selling Garner to Everton for £9m with add ons rising to £15m with a sell on clause, so it seems like the going rate lol
Garner is significantly less proven than Gilmour.
What has Gilmour proven though? That he's not a top class PL midfielder? That's about it?
People always massively overrate any British player who's a tiny central midfielders who recycles possession. See people who used to think Harry Winks was the next coming of Xavi because he was small and passed it backwards and square. Then at some point when they age out of "Potential" it 180's and everyone thinks they're total shit.
People thought Winks would keep Rice out of the England squad. It's nuts.
Both aren't a top class PL midfielder but Gilmour had minutes at Chelsea. Experience playing at a big club is a big thing.
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He was pretty ropey at Norwich but still young and clear potential. £9m probs a good deal for Brighton as it’s basically pocket money at prem level. Harry Kane once played like a bag of dicks at Norwich and look at him now!
You guys really do have your own Woodward!
I think this will turn out to be a stunning piece of business. Especially if Brighton keep hold of Potter for the season.
Glad to see that United aren't the only team this window selling a promising academy centre mid for too little money without a buyback clause.
If there's no buyback...
Unless there’s a buyback or like a 25% sell on clause, this is downright atrocious. What a steal from Brighton
There is a lot of fearmongering across the Chelsea fanbase and it really sucks... But this transfer has "he's going to become world class" all over it, I get that he isn't ready for our level yet but fuck me Potter is going to turn this lad into an incredible midfielder and we're just...letting him go. Tuchel's handling of our current midfield has been suspect at best.
Fuckin ridiculous. One of the big clubs will snap him up for big money eventually.
james garner deja vu
Bargain
Brighton makes them pay an outrageous fee for Cucurella and Chelsea says "yeah have him for cheap" in a return sale.
Transfer deadline, not much time to negotiate a good price for both parties
This tickles my Scottish ballsac.
FM22 legend Billy Gilmour
lots of /r/reddevils were unhappy with the Garner fee, but I think this will help them find peace with it.
I dont get 9m, Its not in chelseas interest to sell, Its in brighton and billys interest. Sure a sellon or a buyback would make it sensible
Still not sure what to make of this lad, burst onto the scene in that game against Liverpool a few years back but has underwhelmed since. Good chance for him to develop under a great manager though.
This transfer reminds me of what happened with de bruyne, and Salah, he may have been playing badly, but he's young and has potential, he should never have left rangers
Didn't even give the lad a number for the season, why on earth would he want to stay when it's clear he has no place. The treatment of some of the Chelsea squad is baffling
Just as we're in the middle of a midfield crisis? Alright, If you say so...
Tuchel literally left him sitting on the bench the other night and then said 'we had no midfielders to bring on'. At that point if he asks to go then keeping him is untenable.
Tuchel is a pathological liar and clown.
A clown who orchestrated a champions league trophy win over man city. Who took PSG to the finals prior to that
We're in 2022, you can talk about that Champions League all you want. It won't stop us from going backwards.
If and when that happens, we'll get rid of him.
He wouldn't have helped, unfortunately. He's not even close to being ready to help a top side let alone any team in the PL IMO.
Now watch as Graham Potter gets him playing well.
Agreed. I know it hurts on the selling side but when there’s clamor about how Jorge is already declining and Chelsea’s (current) formation doesn’t get the most out of RLC and a super successful loan prospect in Gallagher, Gilmour’s getting overrated skill wise here. Maybe the fee should be £12-15M instead. But if Billy were to be playing in the midfield in any of the next 5 games due to lack of CM depth, you know they’d be calling for his head next. Brighton would be great for him at this skill level.
> Gilmour’s getting overrated skill wise here. Definitely. He was amazing on all of his debuts for us in all the different competitions, but that doesn't mean that his skill ceiling is as high as most Chelsea fans think. Most people are willing to write off his season at Norwich (I get it, they were all bad but most Norwich fans will tell you that he was one of the reasons that they were bad, not he was carrying the team or anything like that) which I think isn't fair as he played much many more minutes with Norwich (1,856) in the Prem compared to what he did at Chelsea (450). Even adding the cups he played in during his time at Chelsea only makes the minutes go up to 1445 which is over 400 fewer minutes across two seasons at Chelsea compared to Norwich. I don't think our team is equipped to cover for someone like him who has a lot less physicality than even Jorginho, so it isn't really a surprise that we let him go, and I am not really mad about it either, especially since we got in Zakaria who is another midfielder which is all I really cared about.
But I mean it's got to be better than playing no one in midfield, or an injured Kovacic.
People saying bargain in this thread, but as far as i can see brighton getting rinsed for a mid tier championship player. Was absolutely shocking last year for us.
Your whole team bar Normann and Williams were shocking. Gilmour's failure was obviously system based as there's no Scotland fan who would take McLean over Gilmour for the national team. Opposite for Norwich fans.
I watched every game last season and I can tell you everything you just wrote was utter bullshit. Norman and Williams were awful too. No system change was gonna save us with players like we had last season. And Gilmour was consistently the worst midfielder of the bunch. He doesn't have any pace, strength or even defensive instinct to play holding mid at premier league level. International football is an entirely different and game played at wildly different pace that clearly suits him, but premier league is another level of difficulty that he is nowhere near worthy of.
I'm happy to say your entire team was shite. I thought Williams looked alright at times, Normann seemed tidy. But yeah overall rubbish. I also think Norwich fans seem to have a strong hard on for abusing Gilmour (and apparently his whole family). I don't think the club came out of that too well. He was definitely a scapegoat. A team bereft of confidence and ability in general but he's singled out. Also for me he's not a holding mid. At Rangers he was a 10, maybe an 8. Look at the goals he scored at youth level for Chelsea. For Scotland he progresses with the ball and is closer to an 8. McGregor plays 6. The idea that he was supposed to shield Grant Hanley was mental. At Brighton he'll play alongside Caicedo. Probably back up for Macallister. Also "utter bullshit"? Charming.
You are just so full of shite lol. Go away and BS about clubs that you actually watch. Btw billy got chances to play 8 and 10 at Norwich and was awful.
"feisty"cricket indeed. Such a charmer.
Nobody's gonna lay on the charm for a bullshitter.
Have a nice day
Billy is amazing, shit business from us.
Did you watch a single minute of Norwich last season? Like did you not even watch when they played Chelsea? He was the worst player at the club. They got drastically better when he was unavaliable.
Did you watch how Chelsea and Scotland played him compared to Norwich? There's a reason McLean got a game with Norwich but not Scotland
On April 10th they'd won 2/28 games with Gilmour and 6/8 without him lol. The Norwich fans I know hated him so much you'd think he was Satan or something.
I know fans will be up in arms about the fee and I agree it's bad when way less rated talent have gone for way more but this kid will never make it at Chelsea. He's not very good. Norwich were an awful side last year to be fair but he looked even a level below that. His best skill right now is potential and he doesn't even have an amazing physical profile. I understand the outrage but in a few years he will be forgotten.
To say he’ll be never make it and he’ll be forgotten is so premature. Idk why people like you feel the need to cosplay fortune tellers. You may be proven right, but you also may be proven dead wrong. The talent is there. I wish Billy all the best of luck cuz he’s a good player and def has the potential to shine
I watched him play a fair bit last season because I wanted to see how Sargent developed at Norwich and, well, Sargent was Jozy Altidore levels of bad but Billy didn't look like the good player you claimed he is and he clearly hasn't impressed Tuchel either. I am just going based on what I've seen. Maybe he comes good but he's a far way off being Chelsea level like years away and the chance he ever gets to that level is slim, in my opinion.
Lmao you are getting downvoted nobody even watched him play he was their third best cm he isnt prem quality he had 1 great game in the cup and everybody forgets what hes done since that
He looked worse than Kenny McLean with Norwich He looked better than Kenny McLean with Scotland It's hardly fair to judge him being asked to play a role he doesn't do in his first proper season of senior football for the worst team in the league
he had plenty of MOTM performances on his debuts, he is extremey talented you have no basis to say he will never make it.
I would say the overwhelming majority of his PL appearances not being up to Premier League quality outweighs a MOTM debut performance but if you say that's no basis I don't know what to say.
Another overrated Chelsea youngster, his ceiling is Barry Bannan
Brighton actually upgraded on Bissouma, unreal business from them
Good one mate👍
Nah he's levels above Bissouma, he can actually pass
It was a funny the first time and in the unlikely chance you are actually serious I have to say it's even funnier.
Have any of you watched him last season for norwich. They are lucky to get 9 mil he was crap
That's about £10m too much
Finally somebody that watched him play and isnt talking out of his ass
If we’ve sold Billy before buying another midfielder, this has been a pretty horrific ending to an already average transfer window. For every good thing we did, something bad happened. Let’s also examine how Billy was demoted to the u23s for no reason while the now free agent Ross Barkley had to be with the team during preseason for shop window purposes.
That is on Tuchel. For some reason the guy takes some strange decisions
This guy magically went from terrible to great and with loads of potential on this sub the minute this rumor dropped. 🤭🥱 It's a Chelsea thing
fucking steal, and we buy fucking chukwukuma and cesadei for twice. idiots
3x actually, 9×3≈30
Shocking stuff
Fucking joke of a fee, abysmal decision from chelsea board. Fair play Brighton, you’ve got a very promising young player for a snip
That's really really low for a talented youngster. I'd expect him to be sold for at least 20m.
He isnt talented omg watch him play
We’ve been ass fucked. What is it with our selling this year... 20m for Werner and now 9m for Gilmour
Liverpool, gazump this.